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What got me thinking about the notability issue is the challenge being made to the Buffy episodes on similar grounds. That particular show is being held up as an example to emulate for series TV even to the point of featured article status. I wonder what the point is overall. We have articles on each of the characters. A TV series is notable solely because it is being broadcast. What is missing from an encyclopedic perspective is complete verifiable information about what is already passed the notability test, which the series has; the episodes add to that. We don't have in the summary the work product information of the people in the credits, the guest cast, the writer, director. We should have that. We don't need a Readers Digest version of the episode, a trivia section, or a goofs sections but we should have a place for important data from the primary source - the episode itself, about the people who created the show. -- NrDg 20:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I've started adding Writer, Director and Guest stars to the season 1 table. Let me know if there are any objections before I do much more work on this. -- NrDg 00:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard that Dolly Parton and Vicki Lawrence are guest starring in the same episode together here. Is there anywhere to put the info? Mouseinthehouse 17:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is there not a page for this episode if all the pages have been restored? Mouseinthehouse 17:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
In the article it mentions that the name Everybody Was Best-Friend Fighting comes from the song Kung Fu Fighting twice. It says it in the first paragraph and again in the trivia section. Smileyface 12 91 22:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The episodes on the separate page for I Want You to Want Me...To Go to Florida has Everybody Was Best-Friend Fighting as the next show, followed by Me and Mr. Jonas. Where did Song Sung Bad (the one with...for now, as an earlier version listed Lily as trying to start a singing career of her own...Lily being supposed to record something for her mom) come in (assuming this has even been confirmed)? WAVY 10 15:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
who ever keeps on redirecting the episode articles to the list of episode page, STOP DOING THAT!!!! AND WHO EVER DID THIS, PUT THOSE PAGES BACK UP, NOOOOOOOOOOWW!!!!! 24.186.246.59 at 7:47 PM on July 24, 2007.
To all who keep trying to revive the episode links...PLEASE STOP IT! Consensus was to merge (I was one fighting to save a few of them), and unless enough information for it to pass WP:N, don't play "Lazarus" with these articles. WAVY 10 01:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
We really need to edit the Hannah Montana episodes. We also need the screen shots.
It's clear from the above discussion that no consensus was reached, yet somebody redirected the articles anyway and even closed off the discussion, as if to say no further discussion shall be permitted. Who was responsible for that? I propose that all the articles be restored and that the discussion be reopened. In particular, discussion needs to continue regarding the episodes for which secondary sources were found, because I believe consensus can be reached (and may already exist) to keep those. Everyking 04:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Well, thats the way things currently work. I suppose the closing could be undone and a {{ wider attention}} tag could be placed. i (said) (did) 05:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I should point out, this was not a discussion to see who wanted to keep the articles or not. This was a discussion to see if they were notable or not. No one was able to assert any reasonable level of notability. -- Ned Scott 05:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
A few people said the pages should be redirected, a few said they shouldn't be redirected, a few references were added, and then the pages were redirected. It's the classic deletionist vs. inclusionist argument. Refs have no effect on the argument. We need some new rules. Something like, every time a reference is added, no redirecteing is allowed. - Peregrine Fisher 08:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
KEEP I came into this debate late and am new at editing so I tend to go with what others say. I brought up a concern about losing information that I think belong in a complete article about a TV series and was effectively overridden. So I compromised in a way I really didn't want to. I took the statement that this issue was closed as a given and did not feel comfortable enough with my gut reason to debate the issues against Wikipedia lawyers. Given that I was misled. I will state strongly that I want the article pages back. Add me to the list who want to keep them.
I think that notability must be based on the FACT that something is notable to a large interested group. We can't use original research in the articles but I see no reason not to use original research to establish notability. I don't care what Wiki policy says - these articles ARE notable in an absolute sense, even if some good secondary source has not blessed it. The fact that there is significant discussion on the web about them DOES establish that they are notable.
From an other perspective these articles are an organization method of presenting a complete article about something that is established as notable, an Emmy nominated TV Series. This is NOT inherited notability, multiple pages are needed to the cover the subject in the way that is needed. We shouldn't have to establish notability every time we chose to change organizational structure. -- NrDg 13:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
As Ned commented above, no one established any notability for the episode articles. The discussion had gone quiet after several comments were made to the effect that they would then be redirected. I redirected them and added the viewers column to the LOE as per others comments. Hey, they're all still there; this isn't about 'delete'. I will refrain from further edits on this score and see where this goes. They have not established their notability. -- Jack Merridew 13:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I see that Achy Jakey Heart has appeared. It will be interesting to see how this evolves. -- Jack Merridew 15:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed that there are two episodes listed with production code '123' and not knowing where these numbers came from have no way of being sure how to fix this. -- Jack Merridew 09:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed co-star credited actors from the guest star list. I created the guest star list from watching the episode credits and the actors listed are in the credited order. If someone wishes to create a co-star list, that is fine. I was planning on doing that too when I had time but if you do so please list them in credited order as the order is meaningfully. -- NrDg 12:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This is just me but I'm not sure whether this is a real episode or not. It seems highly unlikely that they would have an episode based around terrorism. I may be wrong but this is my opinion. Race t 16:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
On ultimatedisney.com, there is a new DVD to be released entitled "Hannah Montana: One in a Million" due out in January. Little is known about it yet, except for that it will feature the Jonas Brothers episode, music videos, and a top 10 countdown of Disney Channel Character Feuds. Sounds Great! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, you guys put that a Jonas Brother music video will be included, when there is no proof on ultimatedisney that states this, they only say there will be music videos. Plus the episode "Me and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas" will be featured on the DVD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
The DVD and episodes/bonus features have been confirmed on disneydvd.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 20:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
DisneyDVD.com has added another bonus feature to the DVD, an episode of That's So Raven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 16:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Where exactly did you see that. Give an exact URL. I looked on the site and found nothing of the sort. -- NrDg 16:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know why some of the "Songs Featured:" won't appear? I could swear that I saw some in "edit this page" that didn't appear. ZSoraz 23:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I just archived the oldest part of the talk page (prior to 2nd episode review). WAVY 10 18:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The Jonas Brothers episode needs an independent article. It is referred to in this article as "basic cable's most watched series episode ever" with 10.7 million viewers. Everyking 06:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This episode is currently #1 on the iTunes "Top TV Episodes" List —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.226.188.254 ( talk) 22:27, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
i just found out that 2 new episodes of Hannah Montana are called i don't have to tell everyone and bionic boy!!! Hailee69 02:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
On the same subject, just with the announced episodes, should we now delete the TV Guide paragraph since we already have put the episodes on the table? ZSoraz 08:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Some IP is changing the titles of different episodes. Reverted twice by me already. WAVY 10 22:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Not saying there have been any recent additions of this information on this page, but about the 8 episodes said to become aired from TV Rage, you have to think if a summary where Lilly's Mom falls in love with Robby, when she is already married (i.e. Lilly's mentioned Dad in such episodes recently aired episodes like Achy Jakey Heart), wouldn't seem practical for a Disney show. This is just to alert people who did think that kind of episode would happen (I thought it would once, til I remembered the Dad, lol). -- ZSoraz 23:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
What happened to this episode? They haven't showed it in forever, and even on the Disney Channel website where it lists the schedule, it also keeps a list of the episodes, and it's not on the list. Did they stop showing the episode because it didn't have enough viewers? Why don't they show it anymore? --
It's still on. I saw it twice this week. Dshibshm ( talk) 21:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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Is this gonna be a real episode I don't think there will be an episode with diebates. ~Bert-Healy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bert-Healy ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
There is gonna be an episode called no sugar,surgar its season 2 epidose #23 reference tvrage.com-by rodolfo 20:08 6 november,2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.167.193 ( talk) 02:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Tjis is wierd.
They were planning on it but it got scrapped. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.63.36 ( talk) 01:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The title of episode 18, "People Who Use People," is a play on Barbra Streisand's "People Who Need People," not Kinky Friedman's "People Who Read People Magazine." And it's not the fourth episode featured on the "Hannah Montana: Pop Star Profile" DVD; episode 19 is. The title of episode 39, "I Want You to Want Me...To Go To Florida" plays off the title of "I Want You To Want Me" by Cheap Trick. All references to the origin of the title of episode 40, "Everybody Was Kung Fu Fighting" by Carl Douglas, have disappeared. The title of episode 42, "Me and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas" references "Me and Mrs. Jones" by Billy Paul. The title of episode 44, "That's What Friends Are For?" is a play on "That's What Friends Are For" by Dionne Warwick, Gladys Knight, Elton John and Stevie Wonder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.195.70 ( talk) 07:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page, it says there's an episode where Miley almost gets struck by lightning and sees her mother. Is this true? It seems a bit far-fetched. 76.27.108.99 03:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
It is true, it aired in the UK in November, although it was a bit more like a dream sequence than an actual thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseinthehouse ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The season 2 finale of Hannah Montana will star Corbin Bleu as Johnny (he was first seen in "Lilly,Do You Want To Know A Secret?". It will be called "We're all on this date Together" (We're all in this together". Johnny will see Hannah Montana and one of the sets is a Japanese restuarant. In another scene, Lilly and Oliver are cold from the winter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.174.227 ( talk) 02:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Morgan York guest starrs on Lilly's mom has got it going on, the latest new episode, but only one guest star is shown just thought everyone should know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.230.93 ( talk) 18:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
You are wrong! "Meghan York" is Sarah, but Lilly's mom was played by Heather Locklear. Dshibshm ( talk) 21:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Episode 18 does not appear on the "Pop Star Profile" DVD, but episode 19 does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.195.70 ( talk) 06:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
On this site http://www.tvrage[Dot]com/Hannah_Montana/episode_list/all it's currently showing the episodes, if the episodes name are valid is not known 100% and a valid source can't do it either but if this site is correct in 2 - 3 more episodes, maybe we should use this source?
The Link has been so called "Blacklisted" because of some "Spam" Not sure of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanonkas ( talk • contribs) 17:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
If the last few episodes say "U.K. premiered this on (Date)", then why not put it for all? What makes them so special? I say we should remove that in the case that nobody really cares about when it aired because many of us don't live in the U.K. -- AOL Alex ( talk) 16:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I watch Hannah Montana a lot, but the episode 'Smells Like Teen Sellout' I do not remember. Many sites have it listed as an episode, so I don't know if it should be deleted from the page or not. Was it an episode for a foreign country? Abluescarab ( talk) 09:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
There are more unaired episodes of Hannah Montana that should be posted here and can be found on Miley, Emily, and Mitchel fan sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.60.232 ( talk) 02:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
User:TTN is repeatedly redirecting the article on the episode Me and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas, which is the highest-rated episode in cable TV history, despite the presence of non-plot based information and references in the article. I ask that some other people please weigh in on the issue so we can reach a consensus on what to do with the article. Everyking ( talk) 19:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
FYI. See [2].
For the duration of this case, no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character; nor un-redirect or un-delete any currently redirected or deleted article on such a topic, nor apply or remove a tag related to notability to such an article. Administrators are authorized to revert such changes on sight, and to block any editors that persist in making them after being warned of this injunction.
Catchpole ( talk) 10:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Reliable source? SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 20:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
The episode is called, We Are So Sorry Uncle Earl and I've watched it and it has been aired on tv in australia I belive, I can't see any verifiable sources for now but when it is, please take it into the article -- Kanonkas, Take Contact ( talk) 13:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
What does this mean? All that listed is stuff like 'Jiley', 'Moliver', and such forth. I don't see where people came up with this, and if it's true, please tell me why this is some-what important to this article. Abcw12 ( talk) 00:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is getting too long and a bit unwieldy to maintain. It is proposed to split the article into separate season articles as is done on other shows. Please comment.
There is a new episode showing in the Uk on Disney Channel on Friday at 5.30. Source: http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/tvguide/tvlistings I don't know how to do a table but there is the information.
Title: You Didn't Say It's Your Birthday Miley and Jackson forget about Robbie's 40th Birthday and throw him a surprise party to try and cover it up.
If someone could do the table that would be great. Mouseinthehouse ( talk) 19:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
It's true. And there's a new episode, the episode aired in Brazil. I don't know its real name, but the episode is in the portuguese page (Português) of List of Hannah Montana episodes. In the episode, Miley likes a guy, son of a billionary man. When they have a date, the guy's family is very snobbish and ends up with everything. Meanwhile Robby and Jackson try to organize Jackson's room. (If there's something wrong with my English, I'm sorry, I'm from Brazil). Yuri Dutra ( talk) 17:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone had put dates in the unscheduled episodes and I deleted them, because they had no reliable resources and no resources anyway of where they the info, so I changed them. - Alec2011 ( talk) 3:43 PM, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, someone changed the whole page to just Episode names and summaries, I changed it all back. - Alec2011 ( talk) 2:59 PM, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Can we just have the episode number and name, the page is still to long? Even with Season 3, it will still be too long. We also now have Separate season pages, so, it's possible to do this. - Alec2011 ( talk) 10:30 PM, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Since I am not a registered user of wikipedia, i cannot do this, so can someone who is do it? The July 6th episode of Hannah Montana in the US will be: Hannah in the Street with Diamonds, not You Didn't Say it Was Your Birthday. Commercials have been airing for the past three days showing scenes from this episode. Can someone plz change this? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.80.133 ( talk) 21:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
When Rico handed Jackson his raise, what happened to it? As far as I could see, Jackson put the ice on top of it and just left it there. Thanks, -- 24.136.255.89 ( talk) 19:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
What's up with the Season 3 episodes page? It appears to be vandalized.
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.255.89 ( talk) 20:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
There is no page anymore but there is a section.
Could somebody please cite some references because some of these types of stories seem quite unlikely to become part of the series--
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00:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please stop changing and fix the writer to the episodes. -- DCFan101 ( talk) 23:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I changed the list of episodes because its so boring to look at. -- DCFan101 ( talk) 02:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
PLEASE STOP DELETING THE AIRDATE! PLEASE WATCH DISNEY CHANNEL SO YOU KNOW THAT THE TEST OF MY LOVE PREMIERES ON AUGUST 31, 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- 72.234.211.105 ( talk) 02:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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I propose that this article be changed to Hannah Montana (episode list), and similar articles similarly changed, on the grounds that no real encyclopedia has articles with those kinds of names. OneWeirdDude ( talk) 03:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I've added season 3 news from an official Disney Channel source. Thanks :D. - Alec2011 ( talk) 21:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
We need to protect this page from people, because people are using vandialism to announce airdates that aren't true, and without an OFFICIAL source. Thanks, :D. - Alec2011 ( talk) 02:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
someone screwed up the page. now the link for season 3 goes to season 2 and it's all out of order. Also, it looks like someone was experimenting with crap text at the bottom. dr.scholl201 ( talk) 01:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing a WikiProject for any article pertaining to the actress, singer and songwriter Miley Cyrus, as well as for the franchise, Hannah Montana. A majority of these articles (ex: " Who Said", Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus and Miles to Go) are lacking sources, images, description and more. They can and should be expanded. I am proposing this WikiProject so that any collaborators may work on the articles pertaining to the singer/franchise, the goal being to bring them up to a FA and GA status on Wikipedia. To sign up, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Miley Cyrus & Hannah Montana -- Ipodnano05 ( talk) 21:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
miley became hannah at the age of 12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.161.248 ( talk) 11:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Taylor Momsen of Gossip Girl also came close to getting the part of Hannah Montana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.98.185 ( talk) 03:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose to add a little link to: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html After all, not many ppl have a special linux distribution ;-) Jospoortvliet ( talk) 15:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Why can't we edit the season pages on the list of HM episodes page, because there's things wrong in it....? - Alec2011 ( talk) 02:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
the page was getting to long so it has been archived. you can look at them at the above link. -- gdaly7 ( talk) 12:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
One reference is duplicated in the reference list. Hallpriest9 ( Talk) 22:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
None of the episodes have desriptions? Please add them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schank1234 ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh Thanks. I really appricate it :D
Schank1234 (
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18:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Recently I noticed a number of errors and inconsistencies in the Hanna Montana episode lists so I decided to start fixing them. As List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1) seemed to be the worst, I started with that, fixing a number of things. [3] One thing that I noticed, that is not immediately obvious if you don't look at the this article, is that the episode template used results in the episodes being displayed in this article in table format without any episode summaries. Review of a number of episode list articles revealed that most seem to include episode summaries, which seems natural. After all, people generally look for primary episode information, ie episode number, title, airdate and summary, not secondary information such as writers, directors and production codes. (The last could actually be classified as tertiary information, it's not included at all in some lists) Forcing primary information to be only in the individual season articles forces the readers to the individual articles making the main list pretty much useless. To provide better presentation of the information in this article, I switch back to the standard episode template, which causes the episodes to be listed as they in each of the episode articles, including edit summaries for each one. It should be noted that, prior to November 11, 2008, this is how the episodes were presented in the article. On that day, one editor took it upon himself to decide, without any discussion, that edit summaries should not be included. [4] [5] [6] There was some immediate opposition [7] [8] and there is later evidence of people asking for the summaries to be returned. [9] For these reasons, switch back to the standard template seemed the natural thing to do, as nothing is really gained by using the non-standard template.
There's also an issue with the non-standard template, in that that causes it to transpose the "WrittenBy" and "DirectedBy" fields so that they display out of order, as in the following example:
Series # | Season # | Original title | Directed by | Written by | Original airdate | Prod. code |
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1 | 1x01 | "title" [1] | Director | Writer | January 1, 1980 | 101 |
{{Episode list/Hannah Montana
|EpisodeNumber = 1 |EpisodeNumber2 = 1x01 |Title = title |RTitle = [2] |DirectedBy = Director |WrittenBy = Writer |OriginalAirDate= January 1, 1980 |ProdCode = 101 |ShortSummary = This episode uses {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} |LineColor = ffd43f
}} The second episode uses {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}}
I noticed it once before but didn't realise the significance at the time because somebody had worked around the fault, rather than fixing the fault itself. It only became obvious recently, when somebody else noticed it and worked around it.
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[11] While the fault can be worked around, it shouldn't. The template should work exactly as the instructions say. It doesn't and this is another reason why it shouldn't be used in lieu of the standard template.
After I made the changes there was no opposition and 50 edits were made to the pages, mostly further improving the article. Then, the editor who created the non-standard template decided to revert everyone's changes, [12] [13] [14] and now insists that I should discuss my changes, so I thought I'd throw it open to discussion here. Should we use the non-standard, flawed template and not display episode summaries in this article, forcing people to have to go to the individual season articles, or should we use the standard template which includes episode summaries, like most episode articles do?
I should point out that I have fixed the articles so that they presently show the writers and directors in the correct columns and display episode summaries in the main article until such time as the template creator can fix the template. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 09:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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<--- Template:Episode list/Stargate used in List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, which is also a featured list, seems to allow for parameters LongSummary and ShortSummary with the ShortSummary used in the summary episode list and the long summary available for use in the main season article. My main issue with transclusion is the excessive length of the summary which is totally inappropriate in the overall episode list. Some discipline, sorely lacking with the current set of editors to these articles, and extremely difficult to impose, to keep the summary to 4 to 6 lines, would go a long way to improving the lists. There are some other items in the summary section that current consensus thinks important, such as guest cast and other bolded miscellany, those are definitely inappropriate for the overall episode list. They were included in the season list episode entries as part of a compromise to get rid of individual episode articles by including key info in the episode list. -- NrDg 18:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
The project has many episode lists (and season pages) at WP:FL, but only two are mentioned, List of The Simpsons episodes and List of Desperate Housewives episodes. The episode lists at FLC have been identified by the community as the best that Wikipedia can offer. I don't understand why comparisons would be made to other lists that do not meet that standard. Some of the episode lists given above are well below par, and should not be being used as benchmarks for this page.
I could go on, but generally, many of the "summaries" do not summarise the episodes, they tease the reader into thinking "what happened next?" Many of them do not utilise {{
episode list}}
, which is something we shouls be looking for to acheive a standard look across the encylcopedia, and a lot are unreferenced. I'll list the Featured episode lists (not anime), from the most recently promoted going backward, and discuss them where necessary
{{
episode list}}
because there are no episode titles, which that template forcesSo yeah, there is a fair bit of differences, but in general, where there are no season pages, the LoE will contain summaries. If there are season pages, the main LoE does not. Only two series have season pages and LoEs with summaries, and they are two of the earliest promoted FLs. Obviously the most recently promoted episodes are those that are currently the most accepted format, both at FL, and the Television WikiProject. There are a few other things to keep in mind that have come forward as FL and WP:TV work together, even if FL isn't the end goal (although there is no reason why is shouldn't be):
{{
episode list}}
cannot be used, it should be used to achieve a uniform look across all Wikipedia's episode listsHope some of this info helps the editors of this page . Matthewedwards : Chat 21:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
{{Episode list |EpisodeNumber=1 |EpisodeNumber2=1 |Title=[[Lilly, Do You Want to Know a Secret?]] |DirectedBy=Lee Shallat Chemel |WrittenBy=Michael Poryes, Rich Correll, Barry O'Brien |OriginalAirDate=March 24, 2006 |ProdCode=101 }} |
{{:Hannah Montana (season 1)}}
. I don't think they would understand that "Hannah Montana (season 1)" refers to
Hannah Montana (season 1), they almost certainly won't be aware of transcluding, and it may turn them away from not only editing this page, but any of our pages. Yes, even removing or adding a single character can mess up a table, but if someone messes up the transcluded page, it will appear here and whoever has this page watchlisted will not know it is messed up. At least if they mess up a table that is actually here, someone will see it. I think your contradictory argument is weak. How is it better to have two wrong pages than just one? Are the "101", "102", "103" figures that are being presented as production codes actual codes or do they hust represent "Episode 1 of season 1" etc? If so, they're probably not real production codes. Usually they can be found on the very last frame of the closing titles along with the copyright notice and the "the names of characters in this programme are fictional and do not represent any real person living or dead". It appears as though some episodes were aired in a different order than they were produced so it may be necessary to include the numbers.
Episode # | Season # | Title | Directed by | Written by | Original airdate | Prod code |
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1 | 1 | " Lilly, Do You Want to Know a Secret?" | Lee Shallat Chemel | Michael Poryes, Rich Correll, Barry O'Brien | March 24, 2006 | 101 |
2 | 2 | "Miley Get Your Gum" | David Kendall | Michael Poryes | March 24, 2006 | 103 |
3 | 3 | "She's A Super Sneak" | David Kendall | Kim Friese | April 7, 2006 | 105 |
4 | 4 | "I Can't Make You Love Hannah if You Don't" | Roger S. Christansen | Kim Friese | April 14, 2006 | 108 |
{{
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template -- it doesn't work for users reading Wikipedia with screenreaders such as JAWS, or for those accessing a printed version. Footnotes should be used instead, or the full words as I did. The wikilinks to non-existant articles have been removed; as I said above, there should be a link to
List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1) at the beginning of the section. I've made use of {{
episode list}}
There's simply no reason for not using it. It has all the fields we could need, and it is the simplest way for new editors to add information. Font is full size and the colours have been reduced to the table header, which also helps with ACCESS issues."an unregistered, new-to-the-site editor will almost definitely have a better understanding of editing something like <example> than if he came across {{:Hannah Montana (season 1)}}
." - The simple fix to that is to add a hidden instruction:
== Season 1: 2006-2007 == {{Main|List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1)}} {{:List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1)}} <!-- To edit the episodes in this section, you need to edit the article listed above. -->
Arguing that an unregistered, new editor won't understand something is really a non-issue. Unregistered, new editors really don't understand much at all. Often even the simple stuff eludes them. You really need to take into account that transclusion is used all the time. Look at the bottom of each article and you're bound to see a transcluded template or several. Should we turn away from those too?
"I think your contradictory argument is weak. How is it better to have two wrong pages than just one?" - The issues are the added maintenance required and the likelihood of contradictory information in related articles. Having to update two articles with almost the same information is more difficult than just having to update one. There's always the chance, especially with unregistered, new-to-the-site editors, that only one article will be updated, and that's no better than having the same error in two articles. In any case, there's always the distinct possibility that the same information could be wrong in both articles even if you don't transclude. That happens all the time. And of course, related to this is a statement that you previously made, "Information should not be repeated on two pages." The simple fact is, you can't get around this, no matter which method you use. Only NrDg's effort [17] completely got around that and it was rejected without discussion. [18] The test page that he has since created, which approaches what the FLs do, still duplicates a large amount of what is in the individual season pages. If we want to do this properly then {{ Episode list}} really needs to do what {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} does, ie selectively transcludes information, as in this example, where the season articles contain episode summaries but this article doesn't, and it's all done through the magic of transclusion. I originally changed from using {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} because I wanted to see episode summaries in this article and because the template had an error. We've now decided not to include summaries and I've fixed the error so the template now provides exactly what we need. There's no need to copy and paste information to this article because what we seem to want to see is directly transcluded.
"if someone messes up the transcluded page, it will appear here and whoever has this page watchlisted will not know it is messed up." - Since the primary source of episode information is the season articles, whoever has this page watchlisted should also have the season articles watchlisted. If they don't, then they won't know if somebody updates the season articles and doesn't update this list, which itself is introducing an error here. Whichever way you go, it's the same problem. However, using {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} eliminates the need to update this article at all, except for when the lead needs changing. All episode information is updated at the individual season articles. There's a single possible point of failure, not two points, which is always desirable. The only non-desirable issue here is that it requires using a non-standard template. The ideal situation would be to have the functionality added to {{ Episode list}}.
"Are the "101", "102", "103" figures that are being presented as production codes actual codes or do they hust represent "Episode 1 of season 1" etc?" - I honestly don't know. I'm not sure where they came from.
"This version does away with the hover-over hidden links at "Ep.#" and "Ser.#". I'd never seen this before " - I hadn't seen it either but somebody didn't like the full words, which I agree is preferable to the hover links. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
Episode list/Hannah Montana}}
we could use {{
Episode list/sublist|List of Hannah Montana episodes}}
to achieve exactly the same thing without having to create a custom template. Assuming it works as needed, of course. --
NrDg
15:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)Can't Get Home To You Girl (324) http://actinginfo.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-02-23T03%3A28%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.53.12 ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The Wheel on my Bed (Keeps on Turnin') is an episode. When I added it in, it got deleted. The episode can be found on youtube. That's the only prove I have. Check youtube. Just doing fans of HM a favour here, really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deerocks ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the info for the new HM 2-Part episode. NrDg said that I could add the info and I've told him the correct info to put. It's relaible and it SHOULDN'T BE DELETED!!!! - Alec2011 ( talk) 21:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need all of the episode names Referenced? We already know they aired so we really know just the latest ones that haven't aired.... - Alec2011 ( talk) 20:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of an earlier discussion was that episode summaries shouldn't be shown in this article. Unfortunately, transclusion from the individual season pages resulted in episode summaries being included unless a Hannah Montana specific template that stripped the episode summaries was used. A desire to use only standard templates was expressed so transclusion was abandoned. Unfortunately, this meant that edits in the season articles also had to be included here manually, resulting in extra work for editors, and as I had suggested, several occasions when the season and main list articles contained different information. Following the instructions at Template:Episode list/doc#Sublists I've now been able to transclude the season articles using the standard template. After reworking this and the season articles slightly the displayed result is exactly the same as before transclusion, [20] but it's now only necessary to make changes to the individual season articles. Changes made to the articles are duplicated here, in the format we agreed upon, without a need to edit the season lists in this article, which is obviously a reduction in the effort required to maintain the lists. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 10:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I've just reverted this edit because it consists of original research. The citation provided does not state the number of episodes aired, it only states a total of 101 episodes. I'm not sure how the figure of 15 episodes was determined, but if the number of episodes ins seasons 1, 2 & 3 (26, 29 & 30 respectively) are subtracted from 101 you get 16 episodes,not 15. Regardless, it's still OR. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 22:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Thought Everyone Should Know, Season Four Is Not Previewing right, To Who Ever Edited It, Maybe You Should Fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.38.45 ( talk) 19:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
These two episodes are one and the same. 95.180.11.40 ( talk) 20:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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Would like to add summaries for the episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alberttaal ( talk • contribs) 02:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
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What got me thinking about the notability issue is the challenge being made to the Buffy episodes on similar grounds. That particular show is being held up as an example to emulate for series TV even to the point of featured article status. I wonder what the point is overall. We have articles on each of the characters. A TV series is notable solely because it is being broadcast. What is missing from an encyclopedic perspective is complete verifiable information about what is already passed the notability test, which the series has; the episodes add to that. We don't have in the summary the work product information of the people in the credits, the guest cast, the writer, director. We should have that. We don't need a Readers Digest version of the episode, a trivia section, or a goofs sections but we should have a place for important data from the primary source - the episode itself, about the people who created the show. -- NrDg 20:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I've started adding Writer, Director and Guest stars to the season 1 table. Let me know if there are any objections before I do much more work on this. -- NrDg 00:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I heard that Dolly Parton and Vicki Lawrence are guest starring in the same episode together here. Is there anywhere to put the info? Mouseinthehouse 17:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is there not a page for this episode if all the pages have been restored? Mouseinthehouse 17:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
In the article it mentions that the name Everybody Was Best-Friend Fighting comes from the song Kung Fu Fighting twice. It says it in the first paragraph and again in the trivia section. Smileyface 12 91 22:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The episodes on the separate page for I Want You to Want Me...To Go to Florida has Everybody Was Best-Friend Fighting as the next show, followed by Me and Mr. Jonas. Where did Song Sung Bad (the one with...for now, as an earlier version listed Lily as trying to start a singing career of her own...Lily being supposed to record something for her mom) come in (assuming this has even been confirmed)? WAVY 10 15:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
who ever keeps on redirecting the episode articles to the list of episode page, STOP DOING THAT!!!! AND WHO EVER DID THIS, PUT THOSE PAGES BACK UP, NOOOOOOOOOOWW!!!!! 24.186.246.59 at 7:47 PM on July 24, 2007.
To all who keep trying to revive the episode links...PLEASE STOP IT! Consensus was to merge (I was one fighting to save a few of them), and unless enough information for it to pass WP:N, don't play "Lazarus" with these articles. WAVY 10 01:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
We really need to edit the Hannah Montana episodes. We also need the screen shots.
It's clear from the above discussion that no consensus was reached, yet somebody redirected the articles anyway and even closed off the discussion, as if to say no further discussion shall be permitted. Who was responsible for that? I propose that all the articles be restored and that the discussion be reopened. In particular, discussion needs to continue regarding the episodes for which secondary sources were found, because I believe consensus can be reached (and may already exist) to keep those. Everyking 04:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Well, thats the way things currently work. I suppose the closing could be undone and a {{ wider attention}} tag could be placed. i (said) (did) 05:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I should point out, this was not a discussion to see who wanted to keep the articles or not. This was a discussion to see if they were notable or not. No one was able to assert any reasonable level of notability. -- Ned Scott 05:33, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
A few people said the pages should be redirected, a few said they shouldn't be redirected, a few references were added, and then the pages were redirected. It's the classic deletionist vs. inclusionist argument. Refs have no effect on the argument. We need some new rules. Something like, every time a reference is added, no redirecteing is allowed. - Peregrine Fisher 08:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
KEEP I came into this debate late and am new at editing so I tend to go with what others say. I brought up a concern about losing information that I think belong in a complete article about a TV series and was effectively overridden. So I compromised in a way I really didn't want to. I took the statement that this issue was closed as a given and did not feel comfortable enough with my gut reason to debate the issues against Wikipedia lawyers. Given that I was misled. I will state strongly that I want the article pages back. Add me to the list who want to keep them.
I think that notability must be based on the FACT that something is notable to a large interested group. We can't use original research in the articles but I see no reason not to use original research to establish notability. I don't care what Wiki policy says - these articles ARE notable in an absolute sense, even if some good secondary source has not blessed it. The fact that there is significant discussion on the web about them DOES establish that they are notable.
From an other perspective these articles are an organization method of presenting a complete article about something that is established as notable, an Emmy nominated TV Series. This is NOT inherited notability, multiple pages are needed to the cover the subject in the way that is needed. We shouldn't have to establish notability every time we chose to change organizational structure. -- NrDg 13:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
As Ned commented above, no one established any notability for the episode articles. The discussion had gone quiet after several comments were made to the effect that they would then be redirected. I redirected them and added the viewers column to the LOE as per others comments. Hey, they're all still there; this isn't about 'delete'. I will refrain from further edits on this score and see where this goes. They have not established their notability. -- Jack Merridew 13:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I see that Achy Jakey Heart has appeared. It will be interesting to see how this evolves. -- Jack Merridew 15:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed that there are two episodes listed with production code '123' and not knowing where these numbers came from have no way of being sure how to fix this. -- Jack Merridew 09:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I removed co-star credited actors from the guest star list. I created the guest star list from watching the episode credits and the actors listed are in the credited order. If someone wishes to create a co-star list, that is fine. I was planning on doing that too when I had time but if you do so please list them in credited order as the order is meaningfully. -- NrDg 12:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This is just me but I'm not sure whether this is a real episode or not. It seems highly unlikely that they would have an episode based around terrorism. I may be wrong but this is my opinion. Race t 16:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
On ultimatedisney.com, there is a new DVD to be released entitled "Hannah Montana: One in a Million" due out in January. Little is known about it yet, except for that it will feature the Jonas Brothers episode, music videos, and a top 10 countdown of Disney Channel Character Feuds. Sounds Great! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 17:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, you guys put that a Jonas Brother music video will be included, when there is no proof on ultimatedisney that states this, they only say there will be music videos. Plus the episode "Me and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas" will be featured on the DVD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 21:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
The DVD and episodes/bonus features have been confirmed on disneydvd.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 20:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
DisneyDVD.com has added another bonus feature to the DVD, an episode of That's So Raven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockstarbud ( talk • contribs) 16:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Where exactly did you see that. Give an exact URL. I looked on the site and found nothing of the sort. -- NrDg 16:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know why some of the "Songs Featured:" won't appear? I could swear that I saw some in "edit this page" that didn't appear. ZSoraz 23:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I just archived the oldest part of the talk page (prior to 2nd episode review). WAVY 10 18:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The Jonas Brothers episode needs an independent article. It is referred to in this article as "basic cable's most watched series episode ever" with 10.7 million viewers. Everyking 06:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This episode is currently #1 on the iTunes "Top TV Episodes" List —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.226.188.254 ( talk) 22:27, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
i just found out that 2 new episodes of Hannah Montana are called i don't have to tell everyone and bionic boy!!! Hailee69 02:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
On the same subject, just with the announced episodes, should we now delete the TV Guide paragraph since we already have put the episodes on the table? ZSoraz 08:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Some IP is changing the titles of different episodes. Reverted twice by me already. WAVY 10 22:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Not saying there have been any recent additions of this information on this page, but about the 8 episodes said to become aired from TV Rage, you have to think if a summary where Lilly's Mom falls in love with Robby, when she is already married (i.e. Lilly's mentioned Dad in such episodes recently aired episodes like Achy Jakey Heart), wouldn't seem practical for a Disney show. This is just to alert people who did think that kind of episode would happen (I thought it would once, til I remembered the Dad, lol). -- ZSoraz 23:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
What happened to this episode? They haven't showed it in forever, and even on the Disney Channel website where it lists the schedule, it also keeps a list of the episodes, and it's not on the list. Did they stop showing the episode because it didn't have enough viewers? Why don't they show it anymore? --
It's still on. I saw it twice this week. Dshibshm ( talk) 21:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
24.186.246.59 —Preceding
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24.186.246.59 (
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14:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Is this gonna be a real episode I don't think there will be an episode with diebates. ~Bert-Healy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bert-Healy ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
There is gonna be an episode called no sugar,surgar its season 2 epidose #23 reference tvrage.com-by rodolfo 20:08 6 november,2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.167.193 ( talk) 02:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Tjis is wierd.
They were planning on it but it got scrapped. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.63.36 ( talk) 01:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The title of episode 18, "People Who Use People," is a play on Barbra Streisand's "People Who Need People," not Kinky Friedman's "People Who Read People Magazine." And it's not the fourth episode featured on the "Hannah Montana: Pop Star Profile" DVD; episode 19 is. The title of episode 39, "I Want You to Want Me...To Go To Florida" plays off the title of "I Want You To Want Me" by Cheap Trick. All references to the origin of the title of episode 40, "Everybody Was Kung Fu Fighting" by Carl Douglas, have disappeared. The title of episode 42, "Me and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas" references "Me and Mrs. Jones" by Billy Paul. The title of episode 44, "That's What Friends Are For?" is a play on "That's What Friends Are For" by Dionne Warwick, Gladys Knight, Elton John and Stevie Wonder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.195.70 ( talk) 07:35, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
At the bottom of the page, it says there's an episode where Miley almost gets struck by lightning and sees her mother. Is this true? It seems a bit far-fetched. 76.27.108.99 03:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
It is true, it aired in the UK in November, although it was a bit more like a dream sequence than an actual thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mouseinthehouse ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The season 2 finale of Hannah Montana will star Corbin Bleu as Johnny (he was first seen in "Lilly,Do You Want To Know A Secret?". It will be called "We're all on this date Together" (We're all in this together". Johnny will see Hannah Montana and one of the sets is a Japanese restuarant. In another scene, Lilly and Oliver are cold from the winter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.174.227 ( talk) 02:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Morgan York guest starrs on Lilly's mom has got it going on, the latest new episode, but only one guest star is shown just thought everyone should know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.230.93 ( talk) 18:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
You are wrong! "Meghan York" is Sarah, but Lilly's mom was played by Heather Locklear. Dshibshm ( talk) 21:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Episode 18 does not appear on the "Pop Star Profile" DVD, but episode 19 does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.195.70 ( talk) 06:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
On this site http://www.tvrage[Dot]com/Hannah_Montana/episode_list/all it's currently showing the episodes, if the episodes name are valid is not known 100% and a valid source can't do it either but if this site is correct in 2 - 3 more episodes, maybe we should use this source?
The Link has been so called "Blacklisted" because of some "Spam" Not sure of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanonkas ( talk • contribs) 17:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
If the last few episodes say "U.K. premiered this on (Date)", then why not put it for all? What makes them so special? I say we should remove that in the case that nobody really cares about when it aired because many of us don't live in the U.K. -- AOL Alex ( talk) 16:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I watch Hannah Montana a lot, but the episode 'Smells Like Teen Sellout' I do not remember. Many sites have it listed as an episode, so I don't know if it should be deleted from the page or not. Was it an episode for a foreign country? Abluescarab ( talk) 09:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
There are more unaired episodes of Hannah Montana that should be posted here and can be found on Miley, Emily, and Mitchel fan sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.60.232 ( talk) 02:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
User:TTN is repeatedly redirecting the article on the episode Me and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas and Mr. Jonas, which is the highest-rated episode in cable TV history, despite the presence of non-plot based information and references in the article. I ask that some other people please weigh in on the issue so we can reach a consensus on what to do with the article. Everyking ( talk) 19:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
FYI. See [2].
For the duration of this case, no editor shall redirect or delete any currently existing article regarding a television series episode or character; nor un-redirect or un-delete any currently redirected or deleted article on such a topic, nor apply or remove a tag related to notability to such an article. Administrators are authorized to revert such changes on sight, and to block any editors that persist in making them after being warned of this injunction.
Catchpole ( talk) 10:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Reliable source? SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 20:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
The episode is called, We Are So Sorry Uncle Earl and I've watched it and it has been aired on tv in australia I belive, I can't see any verifiable sources for now but when it is, please take it into the article -- Kanonkas, Take Contact ( talk) 13:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
What does this mean? All that listed is stuff like 'Jiley', 'Moliver', and such forth. I don't see where people came up with this, and if it's true, please tell me why this is some-what important to this article. Abcw12 ( talk) 00:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is getting too long and a bit unwieldy to maintain. It is proposed to split the article into separate season articles as is done on other shows. Please comment.
There is a new episode showing in the Uk on Disney Channel on Friday at 5.30. Source: http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/tvguide/tvlistings I don't know how to do a table but there is the information.
Title: You Didn't Say It's Your Birthday Miley and Jackson forget about Robbie's 40th Birthday and throw him a surprise party to try and cover it up.
If someone could do the table that would be great. Mouseinthehouse ( talk) 19:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
It's true. And there's a new episode, the episode aired in Brazil. I don't know its real name, but the episode is in the portuguese page (Português) of List of Hannah Montana episodes. In the episode, Miley likes a guy, son of a billionary man. When they have a date, the guy's family is very snobbish and ends up with everything. Meanwhile Robby and Jackson try to organize Jackson's room. (If there's something wrong with my English, I'm sorry, I'm from Brazil). Yuri Dutra ( talk) 17:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone had put dates in the unscheduled episodes and I deleted them, because they had no reliable resources and no resources anyway of where they the info, so I changed them. - Alec2011 ( talk) 3:43 PM, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, someone changed the whole page to just Episode names and summaries, I changed it all back. - Alec2011 ( talk) 2:59 PM, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Can we just have the episode number and name, the page is still to long? Even with Season 3, it will still be too long. We also now have Separate season pages, so, it's possible to do this. - Alec2011 ( talk) 10:30 PM, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Since I am not a registered user of wikipedia, i cannot do this, so can someone who is do it? The July 6th episode of Hannah Montana in the US will be: Hannah in the Street with Diamonds, not You Didn't Say it Was Your Birthday. Commercials have been airing for the past three days showing scenes from this episode. Can someone plz change this? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.80.133 ( talk) 21:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
When Rico handed Jackson his raise, what happened to it? As far as I could see, Jackson put the ice on top of it and just left it there. Thanks, -- 24.136.255.89 ( talk) 19:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
What's up with the Season 3 episodes page? It appears to be vandalized.
Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.255.89 ( talk) 20:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
There is no page anymore but there is a section.
Could somebody please cite some references because some of these types of stories seem quite unlikely to become part of the series--
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00:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please stop changing and fix the writer to the episodes. -- DCFan101 ( talk) 23:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I changed the list of episodes because its so boring to look at. -- DCFan101 ( talk) 02:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
PLEASE STOP DELETING THE AIRDATE! PLEASE WATCH DISNEY CHANNEL SO YOU KNOW THAT THE TEST OF MY LOVE PREMIERES ON AUGUST 31, 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- 72.234.211.105 ( talk) 02:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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I propose that this article be changed to Hannah Montana (episode list), and similar articles similarly changed, on the grounds that no real encyclopedia has articles with those kinds of names. OneWeirdDude ( talk) 03:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I've added season 3 news from an official Disney Channel source. Thanks :D. - Alec2011 ( talk) 21:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
We need to protect this page from people, because people are using vandialism to announce airdates that aren't true, and without an OFFICIAL source. Thanks, :D. - Alec2011 ( talk) 02:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
someone screwed up the page. now the link for season 3 goes to season 2 and it's all out of order. Also, it looks like someone was experimenting with crap text at the bottom. dr.scholl201 ( talk) 01:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing a WikiProject for any article pertaining to the actress, singer and songwriter Miley Cyrus, as well as for the franchise, Hannah Montana. A majority of these articles (ex: " Who Said", Hannah Montana 2/Meet Miley Cyrus and Miles to Go) are lacking sources, images, description and more. They can and should be expanded. I am proposing this WikiProject so that any collaborators may work on the articles pertaining to the singer/franchise, the goal being to bring them up to a FA and GA status on Wikipedia. To sign up, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Miley Cyrus & Hannah Montana -- Ipodnano05 ( talk) 21:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
miley became hannah at the age of 12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.161.248 ( talk) 11:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Taylor Momsen of Gossip Girl also came close to getting the part of Hannah Montana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.98.185 ( talk) 03:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose to add a little link to: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html After all, not many ppl have a special linux distribution ;-) Jospoortvliet ( talk) 15:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Why can't we edit the season pages on the list of HM episodes page, because there's things wrong in it....? - Alec2011 ( talk) 02:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
the page was getting to long so it has been archived. you can look at them at the above link. -- gdaly7 ( talk) 12:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
One reference is duplicated in the reference list. Hallpriest9 ( Talk) 22:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
None of the episodes have desriptions? Please add them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schank1234 ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh Thanks. I really appricate it :D
Schank1234 (
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18:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Recently I noticed a number of errors and inconsistencies in the Hanna Montana episode lists so I decided to start fixing them. As List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1) seemed to be the worst, I started with that, fixing a number of things. [3] One thing that I noticed, that is not immediately obvious if you don't look at the this article, is that the episode template used results in the episodes being displayed in this article in table format without any episode summaries. Review of a number of episode list articles revealed that most seem to include episode summaries, which seems natural. After all, people generally look for primary episode information, ie episode number, title, airdate and summary, not secondary information such as writers, directors and production codes. (The last could actually be classified as tertiary information, it's not included at all in some lists) Forcing primary information to be only in the individual season articles forces the readers to the individual articles making the main list pretty much useless. To provide better presentation of the information in this article, I switch back to the standard episode template, which causes the episodes to be listed as they in each of the episode articles, including edit summaries for each one. It should be noted that, prior to November 11, 2008, this is how the episodes were presented in the article. On that day, one editor took it upon himself to decide, without any discussion, that edit summaries should not be included. [4] [5] [6] There was some immediate opposition [7] [8] and there is later evidence of people asking for the summaries to be returned. [9] For these reasons, switch back to the standard template seemed the natural thing to do, as nothing is really gained by using the non-standard template.
There's also an issue with the non-standard template, in that that causes it to transpose the "WrittenBy" and "DirectedBy" fields so that they display out of order, as in the following example:
Series # | Season # | Original title | Directed by | Written by | Original airdate | Prod. code |
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1 | 1x01 | "title" [1] | Director | Writer | January 1, 1980 | 101 |
{{Episode list/Hannah Montana
|EpisodeNumber = 1 |EpisodeNumber2 = 1x01 |Title = title |RTitle = [2] |DirectedBy = Director |WrittenBy = Writer |OriginalAirDate= January 1, 1980 |ProdCode = 101 |ShortSummary = This episode uses {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} |LineColor = ffd43f
}} The second episode uses {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}}
I noticed it once before but didn't realise the significance at the time because somebody had worked around the fault, rather than fixing the fault itself. It only became obvious recently, when somebody else noticed it and worked around it.
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[11] While the fault can be worked around, it shouldn't. The template should work exactly as the instructions say. It doesn't and this is another reason why it shouldn't be used in lieu of the standard template.
After I made the changes there was no opposition and 50 edits were made to the pages, mostly further improving the article. Then, the editor who created the non-standard template decided to revert everyone's changes, [12] [13] [14] and now insists that I should discuss my changes, so I thought I'd throw it open to discussion here. Should we use the non-standard, flawed template and not display episode summaries in this article, forcing people to have to go to the individual season articles, or should we use the standard template which includes episode summaries, like most episode articles do?
I should point out that I have fixed the articles so that they presently show the writers and directors in the correct columns and display episode summaries in the main article until such time as the template creator can fix the template. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 09:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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<--- Template:Episode list/Stargate used in List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, which is also a featured list, seems to allow for parameters LongSummary and ShortSummary with the ShortSummary used in the summary episode list and the long summary available for use in the main season article. My main issue with transclusion is the excessive length of the summary which is totally inappropriate in the overall episode list. Some discipline, sorely lacking with the current set of editors to these articles, and extremely difficult to impose, to keep the summary to 4 to 6 lines, would go a long way to improving the lists. There are some other items in the summary section that current consensus thinks important, such as guest cast and other bolded miscellany, those are definitely inappropriate for the overall episode list. They were included in the season list episode entries as part of a compromise to get rid of individual episode articles by including key info in the episode list. -- NrDg 18:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
The project has many episode lists (and season pages) at WP:FL, but only two are mentioned, List of The Simpsons episodes and List of Desperate Housewives episodes. The episode lists at FLC have been identified by the community as the best that Wikipedia can offer. I don't understand why comparisons would be made to other lists that do not meet that standard. Some of the episode lists given above are well below par, and should not be being used as benchmarks for this page.
I could go on, but generally, many of the "summaries" do not summarise the episodes, they tease the reader into thinking "what happened next?" Many of them do not utilise {{
episode list}}
, which is something we shouls be looking for to acheive a standard look across the encylcopedia, and a lot are unreferenced. I'll list the Featured episode lists (not anime), from the most recently promoted going backward, and discuss them where necessary
{{
episode list}}
because there are no episode titles, which that template forcesSo yeah, there is a fair bit of differences, but in general, where there are no season pages, the LoE will contain summaries. If there are season pages, the main LoE does not. Only two series have season pages and LoEs with summaries, and they are two of the earliest promoted FLs. Obviously the most recently promoted episodes are those that are currently the most accepted format, both at FL, and the Television WikiProject. There are a few other things to keep in mind that have come forward as FL and WP:TV work together, even if FL isn't the end goal (although there is no reason why is shouldn't be):
{{
episode list}}
cannot be used, it should be used to achieve a uniform look across all Wikipedia's episode listsHope some of this info helps the editors of this page . Matthewedwards : Chat 21:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
{{Episode list |EpisodeNumber=1 |EpisodeNumber2=1 |Title=[[Lilly, Do You Want to Know a Secret?]] |DirectedBy=Lee Shallat Chemel |WrittenBy=Michael Poryes, Rich Correll, Barry O'Brien |OriginalAirDate=March 24, 2006 |ProdCode=101 }} |
{{:Hannah Montana (season 1)}}
. I don't think they would understand that "Hannah Montana (season 1)" refers to
Hannah Montana (season 1), they almost certainly won't be aware of transcluding, and it may turn them away from not only editing this page, but any of our pages. Yes, even removing or adding a single character can mess up a table, but if someone messes up the transcluded page, it will appear here and whoever has this page watchlisted will not know it is messed up. At least if they mess up a table that is actually here, someone will see it. I think your contradictory argument is weak. How is it better to have two wrong pages than just one? Are the "101", "102", "103" figures that are being presented as production codes actual codes or do they hust represent "Episode 1 of season 1" etc? If so, they're probably not real production codes. Usually they can be found on the very last frame of the closing titles along with the copyright notice and the "the names of characters in this programme are fictional and do not represent any real person living or dead". It appears as though some episodes were aired in a different order than they were produced so it may be necessary to include the numbers.
Episode # | Season # | Title | Directed by | Written by | Original airdate | Prod code |
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1 | 1 | " Lilly, Do You Want to Know a Secret?" | Lee Shallat Chemel | Michael Poryes, Rich Correll, Barry O'Brien | March 24, 2006 | 101 |
2 | 2 | "Miley Get Your Gum" | David Kendall | Michael Poryes | March 24, 2006 | 103 |
3 | 3 | "She's A Super Sneak" | David Kendall | Kim Friese | April 7, 2006 | 105 |
4 | 4 | "I Can't Make You Love Hannah if You Don't" | Roger S. Christansen | Kim Friese | April 14, 2006 | 108 |
{{
explain}}
template -- it doesn't work for users reading Wikipedia with screenreaders such as JAWS, or for those accessing a printed version. Footnotes should be used instead, or the full words as I did. The wikilinks to non-existant articles have been removed; as I said above, there should be a link to
List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1) at the beginning of the section. I've made use of {{
episode list}}
There's simply no reason for not using it. It has all the fields we could need, and it is the simplest way for new editors to add information. Font is full size and the colours have been reduced to the table header, which also helps with ACCESS issues."an unregistered, new-to-the-site editor will almost definitely have a better understanding of editing something like <example> than if he came across {{:Hannah Montana (season 1)}}
." - The simple fix to that is to add a hidden instruction:
== Season 1: 2006-2007 == {{Main|List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1)}} {{:List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1)}} <!-- To edit the episodes in this section, you need to edit the article listed above. -->
Arguing that an unregistered, new editor won't understand something is really a non-issue. Unregistered, new editors really don't understand much at all. Often even the simple stuff eludes them. You really need to take into account that transclusion is used all the time. Look at the bottom of each article and you're bound to see a transcluded template or several. Should we turn away from those too?
"I think your contradictory argument is weak. How is it better to have two wrong pages than just one?" - The issues are the added maintenance required and the likelihood of contradictory information in related articles. Having to update two articles with almost the same information is more difficult than just having to update one. There's always the chance, especially with unregistered, new-to-the-site editors, that only one article will be updated, and that's no better than having the same error in two articles. In any case, there's always the distinct possibility that the same information could be wrong in both articles even if you don't transclude. That happens all the time. And of course, related to this is a statement that you previously made, "Information should not be repeated on two pages." The simple fact is, you can't get around this, no matter which method you use. Only NrDg's effort [17] completely got around that and it was rejected without discussion. [18] The test page that he has since created, which approaches what the FLs do, still duplicates a large amount of what is in the individual season pages. If we want to do this properly then {{ Episode list}} really needs to do what {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} does, ie selectively transcludes information, as in this example, where the season articles contain episode summaries but this article doesn't, and it's all done through the magic of transclusion. I originally changed from using {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} because I wanted to see episode summaries in this article and because the template had an error. We've now decided not to include summaries and I've fixed the error so the template now provides exactly what we need. There's no need to copy and paste information to this article because what we seem to want to see is directly transcluded.
"if someone messes up the transcluded page, it will appear here and whoever has this page watchlisted will not know it is messed up." - Since the primary source of episode information is the season articles, whoever has this page watchlisted should also have the season articles watchlisted. If they don't, then they won't know if somebody updates the season articles and doesn't update this list, which itself is introducing an error here. Whichever way you go, it's the same problem. However, using {{ Episode list/Hannah Montana}} eliminates the need to update this article at all, except for when the lead needs changing. All episode information is updated at the individual season articles. There's a single possible point of failure, not two points, which is always desirable. The only non-desirable issue here is that it requires using a non-standard template. The ideal situation would be to have the functionality added to {{ Episode list}}.
"Are the "101", "102", "103" figures that are being presented as production codes actual codes or do they hust represent "Episode 1 of season 1" etc?" - I honestly don't know. I'm not sure where they came from.
"This version does away with the hover-over hidden links at "Ep.#" and "Ser.#". I'd never seen this before " - I hadn't seen it either but somebody didn't like the full words, which I agree is preferable to the hover links. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
Episode list/Hannah Montana}}
we could use {{
Episode list/sublist|List of Hannah Montana episodes}}
to achieve exactly the same thing without having to create a custom template. Assuming it works as needed, of course. --
NrDg
15:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)Can't Get Home To You Girl (324) http://actinginfo.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-02-23T03%3A28%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.53.12 ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The Wheel on my Bed (Keeps on Turnin') is an episode. When I added it in, it got deleted. The episode can be found on youtube. That's the only prove I have. Check youtube. Just doing fans of HM a favour here, really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deerocks ( talk • contribs) 04:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the info for the new HM 2-Part episode. NrDg said that I could add the info and I've told him the correct info to put. It's relaible and it SHOULDN'T BE DELETED!!!! - Alec2011 ( talk) 21:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need all of the episode names Referenced? We already know they aired so we really know just the latest ones that haven't aired.... - Alec2011 ( talk) 20:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of an earlier discussion was that episode summaries shouldn't be shown in this article. Unfortunately, transclusion from the individual season pages resulted in episode summaries being included unless a Hannah Montana specific template that stripped the episode summaries was used. A desire to use only standard templates was expressed so transclusion was abandoned. Unfortunately, this meant that edits in the season articles also had to be included here manually, resulting in extra work for editors, and as I had suggested, several occasions when the season and main list articles contained different information. Following the instructions at Template:Episode list/doc#Sublists I've now been able to transclude the season articles using the standard template. After reworking this and the season articles slightly the displayed result is exactly the same as before transclusion, [20] but it's now only necessary to make changes to the individual season articles. Changes made to the articles are duplicated here, in the format we agreed upon, without a need to edit the season lists in this article, which is obviously a reduction in the effort required to maintain the lists. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 10:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I've just reverted this edit because it consists of original research. The citation provided does not state the number of episodes aired, it only states a total of 101 episodes. I'm not sure how the figure of 15 episodes was determined, but if the number of episodes ins seasons 1, 2 & 3 (26, 29 & 30 respectively) are subtracted from 101 you get 16 episodes,not 15. Regardless, it's still OR. -- AussieLegend ( talk) 22:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Thought Everyone Should Know, Season Four Is Not Previewing right, To Who Ever Edited It, Maybe You Should Fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.38.45 ( talk) 19:02, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
These two episodes are one and the same. 95.180.11.40 ( talk) 20:09, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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Would like to add summaries for the episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alberttaal ( talk • contribs) 02:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)