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Surely someone has a better picture of Jerry Brown than that goofy painting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.148.190 ( talk) 04:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the source for "Governor of the Territory of California, 1849-1850...1849-1850: Peter H. Burnett (Democrat)"? It's my understanding that California was never an incorporated territory, it went straight from military government to statehood. Congress never passed the organic act necessary for territoryhood. jengod 11:09, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
I don't see it say anywhere that the likenesses are those displayed in the Capitol, as chosen by the governors themselves. 66.218.54.163 ( talk) 03:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
In the process of answering a question, I came across this list, which appears to be complete and well sourced. Is it feature worthy? - Mgm| (talk) 12:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Voter Turnout
Here is a list of state voter turnout percentages for presidential and gubernatorial primary and general elections.
Year Election Turnout Candidates
Nov. 1994 Gubernatorial general 60.2% * Wilson-Brown
June 1994 Gubernatorial primary 35.0%
Nov. 1992 Presidential general 75.3% Bush-Clinton
June 1992 Presidential primary 47.4%
Nov. 1990 Gubernatorial general 58.6% Wilson-Feinstein
June 1990 Gubernatorial primary 41.5%
Nov. 1988 Presidential general 72.8% Dukakis-Bush
June 1988 Presidential primary 46.1%
Nov. 1986 Gubernatorial general 60.0% Deukmejian-Bradley
June 1986 Gubernatorial primary 38.6%
Nov. 1984 Presidential general 73.9% Reagan-Mondale
June 1984 Presidential primary 49.3%
Nov. 1982 Gubernatorial general 69.7% Deukmejian-Bradley
June 1982 Gubernatorial primary 52.9%
Nov. 1980 Presidential general 76.5% Reagan-Carter
June 1980 Presidential primary 64.2%
Nov. 1978 Gubernatorial general 68.7% Brown-Younger
June 1978 Gubernatorial primary 74.1%
Nov. 1976 Presidential general 81.1% Carter-Ford
June 1976 Presidential primary 71.2%
Nov. 1974 Gubernatorial general 62.6% Brown-Flournoy
June 1974 Gubernatorial primary 51.7%
Nov. 1972 Presidential general 80.4% Nixon-McGovern
June 1972 Presidential primary 68.9%
Source: Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder
Please clarify the following statement:
How could he have run under 3 different parties in one year? -- Asbl 19:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
which are as follows:
Jerry Brown Democrat 1,609,298 50.1%
Houston I. Flournoy Republican 2,055,586 47.3%
I'm no mathematician but I see an error. Can someone supply the real numbers? -- Jfruh ( talk) 20:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Name | Party | Votes | Percentage |
---|---|---|---|
Jerry Brown | Democratic | 3,131,648 | 50.11% |
Houston I. Flournoy | Republican | 2,952,954 | 47.25% |
Edmon V. Kaiser | American Independent | 83,869 | 1.34% |
Elizabeth Keathley | Peace and Freedom | 75,004 | 1.20% |
Others | 5,895 | 0.09% | |
Total | 6,249,370 | 100.00% |
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It would be nice to make the 1st table sortable as the 2nd table is, but trying it results in all the columns disappearing when one column is sorted. Not a good outcome. Hmains ( talk) 04:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Newsom has chosen to complete his term as San Francisco Mayor, which expires on January 10th, 2011. According to the California Constitution, oath or no oath, he'll become the Lieutenant Governor of California at 11:AM PST (19:00 UTC). Is it legal for Neesom to hold both elective offices con-currently over the next week (Jan 3-10)? GoodDay ( talk) 19:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Newsom got sworn in today, so he's officially LtGov. He's on the state LtGov page, too. Corvus cornix talk 23:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding Jerry Brown and the Constitutional term limit, the article contradicts itself at least twice. The last paragraph of the "Governors" section before the table includes these two statements:
The last of the footnotes is about Jerry Brown and states (in part):
Assuming the text of statement #1 is exactly correct, then statement #2 is false. The reason that Jerry Brown was able to be elected (and serve) for a third term in 2010 (and indeed for a fourth term in 2014) was NOT because his previous terms were before the term limit was introduced. He was able to be elected in 2010 and 2014 for a much simpler reason. They didn't violate the limit of two consecutive terms, no matter when it was introduced.
Continuing with the assumption that #1 is correct, then the last footnote is incorrect. Statement #3 is correct. He will be unable to run in 2018 due to the Constitutional term limit. However the second part is not correct. He can run for (and if elected, serve as) Governor for a fifth term (although not in 2018). His term that ends in January 2019 is not necessarily his final term.
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I'm trying to be objective and not in an ownership mindset but as it is, there is a ton of redundant data presented in poor methods and I would absolutely vote against this in featured list. I would very much like the authors of this rewrite to respond to my concerns here. -- Golbez ( talk) 13:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not insinuating that it was intentional bias, but rather the nature of only a small selection of portraits when there are 38 men who have held the office, is a form of bias itself. Why have 6 former republicans but only 2 former democrats? Why is Earl Warren present twice, but Pat Brown not at all? These are things which may be seen as biased one way or another. I'm not saying it was intentional, but by including all portraits, now, we avoid any possible bias in a gallery of governors.
Another question: class="date". What does this do? I don't see .date in the javscript, does it have other semantic meaning? -- Golbez ( talk) 03:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I think part color should coincide with the numbering. This is done for Presidents and Vice Presidents now, and I don't see any rule that precludes it, nor do I see any programming problem associated with it. Also, showing the order of service for preceding offices is relevant. Spartan7W § 02:19, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me the main columns to discuss here are:
There's also the question of the lower tables, "Other high offices" and "Living governors". Any comments on whether or not to keep or scuttle those?
I would really like to get the format changes tied down before moving on to new states... I've added it to everything up to Delaware (except Connecticut) and next is Georgia and I hate Georgia (look at all the question marks I left in it last time I tried to fix it up) so I'm taking a break while we tie this down. -- Golbez ( talk) 22:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how previous office can be subjective at all. We are talking about where they were before they became Governor, nothing else. We're not choosing the highest office before, just the most recent office they held. If they were elected, this is relevant as it shows their prior experience, and if they succeeded, then being lieutenant is also relevant. The U.S. order of precedence for U.S. military ceremonies puts Senators above Governors, because they are federal-level, although I think Gov. is more prestigious, and important.
Back to the 'previous office'... I've been trying to work this into Alabama and it's really difficult. Like, one example is, Confederate Congressman, but then appointed to state circuit court, but then private citizen for five years before becoming governor. The most important office there is congress, the most recent office is circuit court, but his immediate job prior to being governor was private practice. I'm thinking maybe... the better way to handle this is to list all major prior offices? That way you get a feel for why the person became governor? If we list them at all? I'm still split on this, adding it to Alabama was an experiment to see how it goes, and so far it's going pretty poorly. I'd love some insight from @ Spartan7W: and @ Bgwhite:. -- Golbez ( talk) 20:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
There's no constitutional provision that I see for what to do when the office of lieutenant governor is vacant. It appears that the acting ones noted in this list were presidents of the senate. Is there a law that specifies it? Basically, my concern is, if there's an automatic accession to "acting lt gov" then all vacancies should read with the name of the president of the senate, right? Except an official list [4] includes two vacancies. Do we know why the office was vacant at this time and not filled with an acting governor? -- Golbez ( talk) 20:10, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Golbez: FYI, I'm halfway done with New Mexico's Govs right now, so you don't tackle them and waste your time. Spartan7W § 00:49, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm going rewrite this to remove extraneous info, match other formatting, make it more mobile and even desktop friendly, etc. I will do this in pieces so to keep it manageable. I'm being bold, and I'm not an asshole, at least I don't think I am - but I can understand that this looks like me owning the article. and, I mean, I'm not saying it's not. But, IMO, this is a lot of needless info that artificially inflates the article, and we're going to need multiple people to say that it's not.
So, my steps:
And hey, an election is as good a time as any. -- Golbez ( talk) 21:21, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
The 1874 constitution - original, unamended, though this part is the same today - calls for the start of the gubernatorial term on the first Monday after January 1. However, almost none of the elections before 1939 follow this:
From there on, starting with Olson in 1939, it actually matches. Does anyone have any idea why this was? Were their terms really started on the right date, but the formal inauguration waited? Or were the previous governors really in power til the wrong date? I note that every single one of these is after the constitutional start date. Any ideas? -- Golbez ( talk) 22:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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Surely someone has a better picture of Jerry Brown than that goofy painting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.148.190 ( talk) 04:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the source for "Governor of the Territory of California, 1849-1850...1849-1850: Peter H. Burnett (Democrat)"? It's my understanding that California was never an incorporated territory, it went straight from military government to statehood. Congress never passed the organic act necessary for territoryhood. jengod 11:09, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
I don't see it say anywhere that the likenesses are those displayed in the Capitol, as chosen by the governors themselves. 66.218.54.163 ( talk) 03:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
In the process of answering a question, I came across this list, which appears to be complete and well sourced. Is it feature worthy? - Mgm| (talk) 12:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Voter Turnout
Here is a list of state voter turnout percentages for presidential and gubernatorial primary and general elections.
Year Election Turnout Candidates
Nov. 1994 Gubernatorial general 60.2% * Wilson-Brown
June 1994 Gubernatorial primary 35.0%
Nov. 1992 Presidential general 75.3% Bush-Clinton
June 1992 Presidential primary 47.4%
Nov. 1990 Gubernatorial general 58.6% Wilson-Feinstein
June 1990 Gubernatorial primary 41.5%
Nov. 1988 Presidential general 72.8% Dukakis-Bush
June 1988 Presidential primary 46.1%
Nov. 1986 Gubernatorial general 60.0% Deukmejian-Bradley
June 1986 Gubernatorial primary 38.6%
Nov. 1984 Presidential general 73.9% Reagan-Mondale
June 1984 Presidential primary 49.3%
Nov. 1982 Gubernatorial general 69.7% Deukmejian-Bradley
June 1982 Gubernatorial primary 52.9%
Nov. 1980 Presidential general 76.5% Reagan-Carter
June 1980 Presidential primary 64.2%
Nov. 1978 Gubernatorial general 68.7% Brown-Younger
June 1978 Gubernatorial primary 74.1%
Nov. 1976 Presidential general 81.1% Carter-Ford
June 1976 Presidential primary 71.2%
Nov. 1974 Gubernatorial general 62.6% Brown-Flournoy
June 1974 Gubernatorial primary 51.7%
Nov. 1972 Presidential general 80.4% Nixon-McGovern
June 1972 Presidential primary 68.9%
Source: Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder
Please clarify the following statement:
How could he have run under 3 different parties in one year? -- Asbl 19:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
which are as follows:
Jerry Brown Democrat 1,609,298 50.1%
Houston I. Flournoy Republican 2,055,586 47.3%
I'm no mathematician but I see an error. Can someone supply the real numbers? -- Jfruh ( talk) 20:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Name | Party | Votes | Percentage |
---|---|---|---|
Jerry Brown | Democratic | 3,131,648 | 50.11% |
Houston I. Flournoy | Republican | 2,952,954 | 47.25% |
Edmon V. Kaiser | American Independent | 83,869 | 1.34% |
Elizabeth Keathley | Peace and Freedom | 75,004 | 1.20% |
Others | 5,895 | 0.09% | |
Total | 6,249,370 | 100.00% |
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It would be nice to make the 1st table sortable as the 2nd table is, but trying it results in all the columns disappearing when one column is sorted. Not a good outcome. Hmains ( talk) 04:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Newsom has chosen to complete his term as San Francisco Mayor, which expires on January 10th, 2011. According to the California Constitution, oath or no oath, he'll become the Lieutenant Governor of California at 11:AM PST (19:00 UTC). Is it legal for Neesom to hold both elective offices con-currently over the next week (Jan 3-10)? GoodDay ( talk) 19:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Newsom got sworn in today, so he's officially LtGov. He's on the state LtGov page, too. Corvus cornix talk 23:09, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Regarding Jerry Brown and the Constitutional term limit, the article contradicts itself at least twice. The last paragraph of the "Governors" section before the table includes these two statements:
The last of the footnotes is about Jerry Brown and states (in part):
Assuming the text of statement #1 is exactly correct, then statement #2 is false. The reason that Jerry Brown was able to be elected (and serve) for a third term in 2010 (and indeed for a fourth term in 2014) was NOT because his previous terms were before the term limit was introduced. He was able to be elected in 2010 and 2014 for a much simpler reason. They didn't violate the limit of two consecutive terms, no matter when it was introduced.
Continuing with the assumption that #1 is correct, then the last footnote is incorrect. Statement #3 is correct. He will be unable to run in 2018 due to the Constitutional term limit. However the second part is not correct. He can run for (and if elected, serve as) Governor for a fifth term (although not in 2018). His term that ends in January 2019 is not necessarily his final term.
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We need to discuss this. I don't want to just revert yet another unilateral reformat of a featured list, but that this was done without any discussion is a bit irksome.
I'm trying to be objective and not in an ownership mindset but as it is, there is a ton of redundant data presented in poor methods and I would absolutely vote against this in featured list. I would very much like the authors of this rewrite to respond to my concerns here. -- Golbez ( talk) 13:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not insinuating that it was intentional bias, but rather the nature of only a small selection of portraits when there are 38 men who have held the office, is a form of bias itself. Why have 6 former republicans but only 2 former democrats? Why is Earl Warren present twice, but Pat Brown not at all? These are things which may be seen as biased one way or another. I'm not saying it was intentional, but by including all portraits, now, we avoid any possible bias in a gallery of governors.
Another question: class="date". What does this do? I don't see .date in the javscript, does it have other semantic meaning? -- Golbez ( talk) 03:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
I think part color should coincide with the numbering. This is done for Presidents and Vice Presidents now, and I don't see any rule that precludes it, nor do I see any programming problem associated with it. Also, showing the order of service for preceding offices is relevant. Spartan7W § 02:19, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me the main columns to discuss here are:
There's also the question of the lower tables, "Other high offices" and "Living governors". Any comments on whether or not to keep or scuttle those?
I would really like to get the format changes tied down before moving on to new states... I've added it to everything up to Delaware (except Connecticut) and next is Georgia and I hate Georgia (look at all the question marks I left in it last time I tried to fix it up) so I'm taking a break while we tie this down. -- Golbez ( talk) 22:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how previous office can be subjective at all. We are talking about where they were before they became Governor, nothing else. We're not choosing the highest office before, just the most recent office they held. If they were elected, this is relevant as it shows their prior experience, and if they succeeded, then being lieutenant is also relevant. The U.S. order of precedence for U.S. military ceremonies puts Senators above Governors, because they are federal-level, although I think Gov. is more prestigious, and important.
Back to the 'previous office'... I've been trying to work this into Alabama and it's really difficult. Like, one example is, Confederate Congressman, but then appointed to state circuit court, but then private citizen for five years before becoming governor. The most important office there is congress, the most recent office is circuit court, but his immediate job prior to being governor was private practice. I'm thinking maybe... the better way to handle this is to list all major prior offices? That way you get a feel for why the person became governor? If we list them at all? I'm still split on this, adding it to Alabama was an experiment to see how it goes, and so far it's going pretty poorly. I'd love some insight from @ Spartan7W: and @ Bgwhite:. -- Golbez ( talk) 20:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
There's no constitutional provision that I see for what to do when the office of lieutenant governor is vacant. It appears that the acting ones noted in this list were presidents of the senate. Is there a law that specifies it? Basically, my concern is, if there's an automatic accession to "acting lt gov" then all vacancies should read with the name of the president of the senate, right? Except an official list [4] includes two vacancies. Do we know why the office was vacant at this time and not filled with an acting governor? -- Golbez ( talk) 20:10, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Golbez: FYI, I'm halfway done with New Mexico's Govs right now, so you don't tackle them and waste your time. Spartan7W § 00:49, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm going rewrite this to remove extraneous info, match other formatting, make it more mobile and even desktop friendly, etc. I will do this in pieces so to keep it manageable. I'm being bold, and I'm not an asshole, at least I don't think I am - but I can understand that this looks like me owning the article. and, I mean, I'm not saying it's not. But, IMO, this is a lot of needless info that artificially inflates the article, and we're going to need multiple people to say that it's not.
So, my steps:
And hey, an election is as good a time as any. -- Golbez ( talk) 21:21, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
The 1874 constitution - original, unamended, though this part is the same today - calls for the start of the gubernatorial term on the first Monday after January 1. However, almost none of the elections before 1939 follow this:
From there on, starting with Olson in 1939, it actually matches. Does anyone have any idea why this was? Were their terms really started on the right date, but the formal inauguration waited? Or were the previous governors really in power til the wrong date? I note that every single one of these is after the constitutional start date. Any ideas? -- Golbez ( talk) 22:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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As this page was moved from List of Governors of California to List of governors of California as per Talk:List of governors of New York#Requested move 11 April 2019. I propose to similarly move:
If not it looks inconsistent, for example on Governor of California#See also. @ BD2412: I am pinging you, because you did the actual move. Nuretok ( talk) 19:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Californian history does not begin with the American conquest. The governors listed here ( /info/en/?search=List_of_governors_of_California_before_1850) should be featured as well.