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I believe that the date sort be done by year as opposed to month. Is there an easy way to convert the date record to allow a sort by year? -- HJKeats 23:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Is this list comprehensive? We found a George Cross among my Grandfather's belongings when he died, but we don't know what it was given for, he never mentioned it. He's not on this list. Lusule ( talk) 21:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The driving force behind the instigation of the George Cross was Churchill's wish to honour the men involved in Bomb Disposal and similar during The Blitz. It was meant as an acknowledgement of the strain that BD personnel were under, people who may well have defuzed a considerable number of bombs knowing that any one might contain a new fuze development that could kill them.
The first BD people were Ministry of Supply (MoS) scientists who had the unenviable task of attempting to make safe bombs that had never been encountered before, and to devise techniques for defuzing them, and so that is why it was necessary for the medal to be awardable to civilians as well as military personnel.
An example of an MoS civilian who did this was Charles Howard, 20th Earl of Suffolk.
Henry Blogg is missing from this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.244.177 ( talk) 06:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Where is the entry for Geoffrey Oliver Hartley ? ( https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/39210/supplement/2318 ). He was the brother of Norman Cyril Jackson VC, Hartley`s GC is mentioned in his brother`s Wiki page. -- JustinSmith ( talk) 13:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I think there ought to be a sortable "Deeds" column in the chart which will list what the person did to receive the Cross. I'd do this myself, but I'm not sure of the code. -- Zero Talk Contribs 04:47, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
A lot of the entries on this list link to redirect pages. Is there any reason why they should not link to the target pages, avoiding the redirects, as is standard practice?-- ukexpat ( talk) 21:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I have overhauled the table and feel that an explanation on how the sorting of the ranks is necessary, for future inclusion of recipients. Preceding any military or police rank, there is a piece of HTML that creates a hidden piece of text which is sortable. The code is:
<span style="display: none;">...</span>
Within the ..., you can place the code that is relevant to the rank. It is a code made up of a group, rank, and force. For example, OR04.2 (Sergeant in the Army) OR denotes the group, 04 denotes the rank and 2 denotes the force. The groups are OF for officer ranks and OR for warrant officer and other ranks. 1 denotes the Navy, 2 denoted the Army, 3 denotes the RAF, and 4 denotes any non-Commonwealth force. To decide the rank number, start with the highest rank attainable for each group as 01 and work down (e.g. Marshal of the Royal Air Force is 01, Major is 08, Sergeant is 04 and Corporal is 06). iComputer SaysNo 01:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Needless to say nobody ever bothers to define what the mean by nationality. CPO Jonathan Rogers GC DSM was a member of the Royal Australian Navy but was he an Australian citizen? It is a good question and I will try and find out the answer. However, Noor Inayat Khan may have been born in Russia but she was never a Russian citizen or for that matter a Soviet citizen. Violette Szabo was born in Paris of an English father so was she French or British or a dual citizen? Captain Lionel Matthews GC MC was Australian born and a member of the Australian Military Forces but was officially a British subject since there was no Australian citizenship until 1949, more than four years after his execution. I applaud the Commonwealth War Graves Commission who attribute nationally to the force rather than to the serviceperson. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I see that some names on the page List of living George Cross recipients are not on this list. Is there a reason for this or can I simply copy them over? Gbawden ( talk) 07:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I have a listing except for nationality which is undefined in Wikipedia and sometimes means place of birth, sometimes citizenship and sometimes residency which for some recipients are all different places. Perhaps we could drop nationality and replace the column with original award which is needed. There would be a note at the end of the list to state that the date of gazette is the date for the original award which I have on my database. I need advice on how to construct a table in Wikipedia and perhaps we can sandbox it. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 04:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
G'day, the list currently states "This list solely contains direct George Cross recipients and not recipients of the Empire Gallantry Medal, the Albert Medal or the Edward Medal who have since substituted their earlier award for the George Cross"; however, Patrick Gordon Taylor, an Empire Gallantry Medal recipient, appears in the list of personal awards. I'm not sure whether it makes sense to include those who substituted their award with the GC or not, but currently the list of names doesn't seem consistent by its own definition. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 01:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. This persons entry links to Explosion of the RFA Bedenham. At some stage someone must have redirected the page but I feel we should try create a page for him, even if it is a stub. Your thoughts? Gbawden ( talk) 06:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I think we should split off the AM list and add it to the AM page. We can always refer back to it and vice versa. That way the GC list can be for GC recipients only. Gbawden ( talk) 07:09, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I found this on http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090106051558/http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.940
How many GCs have been awarded? The total number of awards to date is 400
By direct award - 156 Eligible Empire Gallantry Medallists (EGM) - 112 Eligible Albert Medallists (AM) - 64 Eligible Edward Medallists (EM) - 68
Might be useful to include on the page - the info was part of a GC exhibition Gbawden ( talk) 10:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
There have been 406 awards of the George Cross including 161 direct awards and 245 exchange awards. It does not matter how an individual obtained the award, they are all equally George Cross recipients. At the moment the List of George Cross recipients has one exchange award listed and I propose to add the remaining 244 awards. I had previously added the 65 exchange awards and they were deleted. If there is consensus that the List of George Cross recipients be restricted to direct George Cross recipients then let’s change the title to List of direct George Cross recipients and I will create a new page List of exchange George Cross recipients. It would seem strange at a time when the three lists of Victoria Cross recipients, a total of 1357 awards, are being considered for amalgamation to have two lists of George Cross recipients whose total is less than a third of the total of Victoria Cross recipients. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 04:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
She is mislinked and, as a very significant holder, we should have a page on her. I have her on Simple English as Margaret Purves. [2] Macdonald-ross ( talk) 20:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
In the table, if you choose to sort them in date order it doesn't work, it just lists them in a random order. Can someone please fix this. Richard75 ( talk) 16:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Noting here what I said over at Talk:Empire Gallantry Medal. I added three more EGM recipients who now have articles: Dorothy Louise Thomas, Cecil Kelly and Abdus Samad Abdul Wahid Golandaz. Noting here so others can help work on those articles and/or assess for notability (some recipients are mentioned in other articles, rather than as stand-alone articles). Some articles may be better merged to one or other of the award articles as footnotes. Noting also that the EGM and GC list should probably be clearer on who exchanged EGM for GC and who didn't (see the section at the EGM talk page). One example is Guy Branch who is (correctly) not listed here as he died before any exchange could take place. Carcharoth ( talk) 07:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the opening paragraph states ‘407 George Cross awards including two special awards’ conflicts with the total at the end of the table; 410 awards to 408 individuals and two special awards. The table lists 415 names excluding the two special awards. The three totals are 407, 410 and 417. All totals are guesstimates since there is no official public record of the total number of GC recipients. Published material from researchers suggest the total is probably 415. Adrian Trapman EGM who was killed in September 1938, two years before the GC was instituted was ineligible. If Nicholas Rath was living on 21 October 1971, he would be the first Albert Medal in Gold recipient who survived to become a GC recipient. In 2002, Allan Stainstreet in Heroes of the Albert Medal stated that Rath's date of death was not known. Allan Stainstreet followed in 2015 with More heroes of the Albert Medal which revealed three recipients listed in the 2002 book had been living in 1971 but Nicholas Rath was not one of the three. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 15:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
We have List of recipients of the George Medal and List of George Cross recipients
should we move one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camquin ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
The George Cross and George Medal are different awards. Lists of recipients for each award should remain separate. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 11:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
This cross-categorization of living people and GC recipients isn't notable by WP:LISTN so a standalone list isn't justified. If it's really important to record which recipients are living, we could add it to the tables on this page, instead. (But anyone who needs to know can simply go straight to the primary source: https://vcgca.org/our-people.) I believe this should either be merged or the list of living recipients should be deleted. pburka ( talk) 19:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Is there a list somewhere of the AM and EM recipients who elected to keep their original medals and not exchange them for the GC? 104.153.40.58 ( talk) 04:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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I believe that the date sort be done by year as opposed to month. Is there an easy way to convert the date record to allow a sort by year? -- HJKeats 23:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Is this list comprehensive? We found a George Cross among my Grandfather's belongings when he died, but we don't know what it was given for, he never mentioned it. He's not on this list. Lusule ( talk) 21:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The driving force behind the instigation of the George Cross was Churchill's wish to honour the men involved in Bomb Disposal and similar during The Blitz. It was meant as an acknowledgement of the strain that BD personnel were under, people who may well have defuzed a considerable number of bombs knowing that any one might contain a new fuze development that could kill them.
The first BD people were Ministry of Supply (MoS) scientists who had the unenviable task of attempting to make safe bombs that had never been encountered before, and to devise techniques for defuzing them, and so that is why it was necessary for the medal to be awardable to civilians as well as military personnel.
An example of an MoS civilian who did this was Charles Howard, 20th Earl of Suffolk.
Henry Blogg is missing from this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.244.177 ( talk) 06:05, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Where is the entry for Geoffrey Oliver Hartley ? ( https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/39210/supplement/2318 ). He was the brother of Norman Cyril Jackson VC, Hartley`s GC is mentioned in his brother`s Wiki page. -- JustinSmith ( talk) 13:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I think there ought to be a sortable "Deeds" column in the chart which will list what the person did to receive the Cross. I'd do this myself, but I'm not sure of the code. -- Zero Talk Contribs 04:47, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
A lot of the entries on this list link to redirect pages. Is there any reason why they should not link to the target pages, avoiding the redirects, as is standard practice?-- ukexpat ( talk) 21:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I have overhauled the table and feel that an explanation on how the sorting of the ranks is necessary, for future inclusion of recipients. Preceding any military or police rank, there is a piece of HTML that creates a hidden piece of text which is sortable. The code is:
<span style="display: none;">...</span>
Within the ..., you can place the code that is relevant to the rank. It is a code made up of a group, rank, and force. For example, OR04.2 (Sergeant in the Army) OR denotes the group, 04 denotes the rank and 2 denotes the force. The groups are OF for officer ranks and OR for warrant officer and other ranks. 1 denotes the Navy, 2 denoted the Army, 3 denotes the RAF, and 4 denotes any non-Commonwealth force. To decide the rank number, start with the highest rank attainable for each group as 01 and work down (e.g. Marshal of the Royal Air Force is 01, Major is 08, Sergeant is 04 and Corporal is 06). iComputer SaysNo 01:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Needless to say nobody ever bothers to define what the mean by nationality. CPO Jonathan Rogers GC DSM was a member of the Royal Australian Navy but was he an Australian citizen? It is a good question and I will try and find out the answer. However, Noor Inayat Khan may have been born in Russia but she was never a Russian citizen or for that matter a Soviet citizen. Violette Szabo was born in Paris of an English father so was she French or British or a dual citizen? Captain Lionel Matthews GC MC was Australian born and a member of the Australian Military Forces but was officially a British subject since there was no Australian citizenship until 1949, more than four years after his execution. I applaud the Commonwealth War Graves Commission who attribute nationally to the force rather than to the serviceperson. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 06:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I see that some names on the page List of living George Cross recipients are not on this list. Is there a reason for this or can I simply copy them over? Gbawden ( talk) 07:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I have a listing except for nationality which is undefined in Wikipedia and sometimes means place of birth, sometimes citizenship and sometimes residency which for some recipients are all different places. Perhaps we could drop nationality and replace the column with original award which is needed. There would be a note at the end of the list to state that the date of gazette is the date for the original award which I have on my database. I need advice on how to construct a table in Wikipedia and perhaps we can sandbox it. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 04:05, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
G'day, the list currently states "This list solely contains direct George Cross recipients and not recipients of the Empire Gallantry Medal, the Albert Medal or the Edward Medal who have since substituted their earlier award for the George Cross"; however, Patrick Gordon Taylor, an Empire Gallantry Medal recipient, appears in the list of personal awards. I'm not sure whether it makes sense to include those who substituted their award with the GC or not, but currently the list of names doesn't seem consistent by its own definition. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 01:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. This persons entry links to Explosion of the RFA Bedenham. At some stage someone must have redirected the page but I feel we should try create a page for him, even if it is a stub. Your thoughts? Gbawden ( talk) 06:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I think we should split off the AM list and add it to the AM page. We can always refer back to it and vice versa. That way the GC list can be for GC recipients only. Gbawden ( talk) 07:09, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I found this on http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090106051558/http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.940
How many GCs have been awarded? The total number of awards to date is 400
By direct award - 156 Eligible Empire Gallantry Medallists (EGM) - 112 Eligible Albert Medallists (AM) - 64 Eligible Edward Medallists (EM) - 68
Might be useful to include on the page - the info was part of a GC exhibition Gbawden ( talk) 10:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
There have been 406 awards of the George Cross including 161 direct awards and 245 exchange awards. It does not matter how an individual obtained the award, they are all equally George Cross recipients. At the moment the List of George Cross recipients has one exchange award listed and I propose to add the remaining 244 awards. I had previously added the 65 exchange awards and they were deleted. If there is consensus that the List of George Cross recipients be restricted to direct George Cross recipients then let’s change the title to List of direct George Cross recipients and I will create a new page List of exchange George Cross recipients. It would seem strange at a time when the three lists of Victoria Cross recipients, a total of 1357 awards, are being considered for amalgamation to have two lists of George Cross recipients whose total is less than a third of the total of Victoria Cross recipients. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 04:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
She is mislinked and, as a very significant holder, we should have a page on her. I have her on Simple English as Margaret Purves. [2] Macdonald-ross ( talk) 20:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
In the table, if you choose to sort them in date order it doesn't work, it just lists them in a random order. Can someone please fix this. Richard75 ( talk) 16:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Noting here what I said over at Talk:Empire Gallantry Medal. I added three more EGM recipients who now have articles: Dorothy Louise Thomas, Cecil Kelly and Abdus Samad Abdul Wahid Golandaz. Noting here so others can help work on those articles and/or assess for notability (some recipients are mentioned in other articles, rather than as stand-alone articles). Some articles may be better merged to one or other of the award articles as footnotes. Noting also that the EGM and GC list should probably be clearer on who exchanged EGM for GC and who didn't (see the section at the EGM talk page). One example is Guy Branch who is (correctly) not listed here as he died before any exchange could take place. Carcharoth ( talk) 07:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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The last sentence of the opening paragraph states ‘407 George Cross awards including two special awards’ conflicts with the total at the end of the table; 410 awards to 408 individuals and two special awards. The table lists 415 names excluding the two special awards. The three totals are 407, 410 and 417. All totals are guesstimates since there is no official public record of the total number of GC recipients. Published material from researchers suggest the total is probably 415. Adrian Trapman EGM who was killed in September 1938, two years before the GC was instituted was ineligible. If Nicholas Rath was living on 21 October 1971, he would be the first Albert Medal in Gold recipient who survived to become a GC recipient. In 2002, Allan Stainstreet in Heroes of the Albert Medal stated that Rath's date of death was not known. Allan Stainstreet followed in 2015 with More heroes of the Albert Medal which revealed three recipients listed in the 2002 book had been living in 1971 but Nicholas Rath was not one of the three. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 15:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
We have List of recipients of the George Medal and List of George Cross recipients
should we move one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camquin ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
The George Cross and George Medal are different awards. Lists of recipients for each award should remain separate. Anthony Staunton ( talk) 11:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
This cross-categorization of living people and GC recipients isn't notable by WP:LISTN so a standalone list isn't justified. If it's really important to record which recipients are living, we could add it to the tables on this page, instead. (But anyone who needs to know can simply go straight to the primary source: https://vcgca.org/our-people.) I believe this should either be merged or the list of living recipients should be deleted. pburka ( talk) 19:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Is there a list somewhere of the AM and EM recipients who elected to keep their original medals and not exchange them for the GC? 104.153.40.58 ( talk) 04:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)