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Hitler was Jewish!! Genghis Khan was Jewish? Christ was Jewish! Gironomo was Jewish! Santa Ana was Jewish! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.138.19 ( talk) 02:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC) Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ were not jewish of course! And by the way the Jews are NOT ancient Israelites this is a historically and anthropologically proven fact. How is it possible to write such a nonsense in a enzyklopedia? I really don't think that René Mayer is Jewish, but I can't confirm this yet-- Maxn 03:39, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Looking more carefully online, it seems Mayer probably had some Jewish origins after all. For example this PDF file says "...on trouve des hommes juifs de tout bord politique, comme René Cassin, René Mayer, ou Jules Moch et Pierre Mendès-France, évadés des prisons de Vichy". (Also, this description of René's cousin-once-removed indicates that Captain Armand Mayer is René's great-uncle.) Juko 01:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a reference for
Nicholas Sarkozy? I always thought he must be part Jewish but never have found any credible reference stating that.
Maxn 20:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Regarding Phil Spector's inclusion on this list: his mother was French (born of Russian immigrant parents), although he was born in New York City and raised in Los Angeles. This is documented in Mark Ribowsky's biography of Spector, He's A Rebel.
I don't think Liliane Bettencourt (Loreal) is jewish only her son in law is. I think it should be erased.
Nicolas Sarkozy is half jewish on his fathers side according to Wikipedia. Someone source this and add him to the list. Looking at his nose you can easily tell he is jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.67.95 ( talk) 22:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
please add to the list or answer me.
can someone erase it ???
Taken care of.
The fact that her son in law is "Jewish" proves that she is: Ashkenazis/Khazars are racially pure, the males do not marry/reproduce outside the tribe. Her son in law's wife, her daughter, MUST BE "JEWISH"-"Jewish" decent is matrilineal, therefore she MUST be "Jewish" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.253.76 ( talk) 22:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
The preceding statement is complete and utter tripe. The relationship between Ashkenazis and Khazars is virtually nil. As to the Ashkenazis insisting on being "racially pure," that's just plain ridiculous, as anyone who has seen their intermarriage rate these days can attest. In the US, that rate is something like 50%. In other Western countries it varies, but is probably not much lower.
Balthus has a reference, so should not be deleted. Jewprom is not a Wikipedia mirror. It does link to Wikipedia (not the same thing), but it has a list of the sources it has used. True, Amazon does sell biographies, but that does not mean that every statement on the Amazon site is an official or authorised biography.-- 20.138.246.89 15:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
If you can't see that the material is virtually copied and pasted from old wikipedia lists, you must be blind. It shouldn't matter though since we already know his mother probably had Jewish ancestors. The fact that Balthus denied having Jewish ancestry, and didn't practice Judaism really doesn't help his case. [2] It states that his father was Polish Catholic Gentry and his mother a Polish immigrant to France who was descended from the Russian Romanovs (who we know were Christians). Her father supposedly was a cantor which suggests through at least her paternal ancestry, there was Jewish practice. Nonetheless, Balthus' parents were Christians, as was Balthus himself - in fact, an ardent Catholic, he called the pope his "soul mate", and he denied his mother was Jewish throughtout his life. To be honest, who's a better source than Balthus himself? We don't know the details, and even if his mother did have significant Jewish ancestry..if he wishes not to be called Jewish then so be it. 72.144.161.165 20:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
"In addition, individuals actively assisted the Vichy regime, and the Nazis as well, by seizing Jewish private property, annihilating synagogues and other Jewish monuments, and in transporting Jews to Nazi death camps. Examples being Eugene Schueller, (the founder of the biggest cosmetics company in the world, French company, L’Oreal) and his L’Oreal colleagues, Andre Bettencourt and Jacques Correze."
Also, Brezin and Wollman have had citation needed tags on them for quite a while. If anyone can find a source within a few days, notably the users who added their names, please provide them. Otherwise, the names will have to be removed. 68.223.217.166
As discussed at Talk:Alexander Grothendieck, his father was undoubtedly jewish and the best source says that his mother was, too. Even if she was not, this is a list of "Jews and people of Jewish origins", so he is clearly eligible.-- Brownlee 16:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The following need to be sourced to sources that say they are Jewish
Mad Jack 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Totally False ! Sarkozy cannot be listed here : only his motherly grandfather is of jewish origin. And then, this article is based on sand if you do not define first what is a Jew... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.41.68 ( talk) 08:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Nicolas Sarcozy should certainly be in this list:
-- Brownlee 14:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a violation of WP:NOR here. We have two sources saying his mother was Jewish and none saying explicitly that she wasn't. Maybe both her parents were Jewish converts to Catholicism? Anyway, so long as he acknowledges his ancestry and says that his roots are in the greek Jewish community, do we have any right to exclude him? Kelly Osbourne is an irrelevance here.-- Newport 19:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
What does 'ACKNOWLEDGING ___ ancestry' have to do with anything? If he denies it, but its proven true somehow, would that somehow not making him eligible? This doesn't make sense. African American DNA is 10-15% of European origin. So the ones who acknowledge this as a fact are viable entries for a list of Europeans????? This is a joke. White Supremacist David Duke acknowledges he probably has African American heritage. So would everyone agree he should be put on List of African Americans? How is this any different from what's happening here?
Nicholas Sarkozy born to a Hungarian father and half French/half Greek-Jewish mother: [6]
He isn't even on List of famous Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary which would certainly be more viable given he's half Hungarian. Should he be put on List of Greeks too do you think? Did he ever call himself "Jewish" or "Greek" of "Hungarian"???
Tiger Woods is 1/4th Chinese. Can I place him on List of Chinese people? He doesn't deny Chinese heritage.
No responses or counter-arguments? Just reverts?
When does the limitation to Jewish Origins stop? A person is born Jewish, but does not practice, they can stay on here. But Sarkozy was not born Jewish and neither was his father or EVEN mother. Absolutely farfetched to keep him on here just because down the family line there was a racial Jew. So should we put Russian poet Alexander Pushkin on List of Ethiopians because his great-grandfather was Ethiopian? Should we put Tiger Woods or Keanu Reeves on List of Chinese people because they have acknowledged Chinese origins???? Use logic. This entry is a full-blown joke. I am changing it again.
You know what's odder? Why a user with such a long wiki experience, who knows perfectly well how to sign a comment, and who has a rather lengthy list of contributions still doesn't get a username and continuously finishes other user's discussions. That is quite odd. "Of Jewish origins" is a subjective interpretation that can mean anything you would like it to mean (1/16th Jewish descent too?) and can/should be easily changed. On the other hand, more properly documented lists like List of British Jews use a standard that, interestingly enough, many if not all other lists use. This list shall be no different. 141.211.251.69 22:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
As a french, i can say that is ridiculous to put sarkozy in the list. Beaucause if so, i can add 1000 personallities more 1/4 jewish ('scuse for my english) 82.226.68.59 09:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
That begs the question should we put people who are very semitic in culture but not ancestry on here too? This is opening a box of vast options! Especially since being proud of Jewish ancestry has some sort of say in this. 141.211.210.121
I cannot see any reason to make a major change to the scope of this list, which would put it out of line with many other similar lists. There is no general Wikipedia policy on ethnic lists, despite more than one attempt to agree on one. However, it is common practice to include people with partial Jewish ancestry, so long as their entry makes clear what their ancestry is. The change to the unique rule on List of British Jews was made after a vote on the talk page of that article, which is obviously not binding on other articles. We should not make such a change here unless and until we have had a similar vote. And if the intention had been to move to the same policy as that list, a similar wording should have been used: "List of French Jews is a list that includes Jewish people from France and its predecessor states."-- Newport 21:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
"Of Jewish origins" states nothing of the scope of this list anyway. A "French Jew" is a term that can't be defined by wikipedia users. If this was a list of French people with a Jewish grandfather, Sarkozy would fit. Instead this is a list of French Jews. Therefore, unless somewhere it unflauntingly states Sarkozy is Jewish (and we know he's a French politician), he's not an appropriate entry... :-/ End of story, despite all the hoo-haw by anti-semites and philo-semites to make note of it. 141.211.210.121 17:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, you are right!!!
Peace man!
Unsigned comment added 08:11, 11 October 2006 by
user:193.45.244.11
Being used to Wiki too much, I just want to say it quickly: this list makes me sick, and it probably makes a lot of other Wikipedians sick. Probably a lot of them are French (that's why they stumbled there) and not much less Jewish. To put it clearly: the huge majority of French people do not classify themselves according to religion or ethnicity, and the last time some guy made such a list... well, he was called fr:André Tulard, and this definitely deserved to be translated (for non-French speaking people: André Tulard was in charge of the Direction of Foreign Service and Jewish Affairs at the prefecture of Police before 1940 and after 1940. Although the French state claimed its files were deleted in 1945, they were actually found by some stubborn historians in... the early 1990s ! Fifty years since the French state has retained a list of "its French Jews"... Just in case? What are you Wikipedians innocently doing, trying to be "philo-semitic" or "anti-semitic" as one fellow put up out there? Just... leave it there! Classify your friends, on your personal diaries, if you will — leave strangers alone! Lapaz
Be careful of what corrections are made to the sources of this list. According to the hierarchy of reliable sources the person themselves has the last word on their religion, ethnicity, nationality and so on. Second to that comes family, but priority goes to family publications than just statements. So, under these circumstances, both Balthus, who makes it painfully clear he was not Jewish to many biographers and Eugene Ionesco, who actually never said he was of Jewish descent, doesn't qualify. Anyone who has read Ionesco's autobiographical writings --- one can search them here http://www.amazon.com/Present-Past-Personal-Memoir/dp/0306808358 and these are really really short, it only took me a few hours to read --- knows that there is absolutely no mention of a Jewish mother or any sort of Jewish heritage anywhere in the book, which apparently supports his daughter's claim that the statement of "affirming his Jewish origins" is a lie. Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find any source that Michel Eyquem de Montaigne's mother was born a Jew, only that her family had once descended from Jews. This could be said of many Spanish families at the times of the explusions, and who knows how many generations back this conversion may have happened. It doesn't say. Does anybody know? Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Need another reference for Taubenhaus. Mehmeda 01:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
There is an Internet site stating that both Segolene Royal and Francois Hollande are ethnic Jews. I can not find any confirmation about Royal but seems to me that Hollande is not actually a French last name..--armenianNY 03:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Only, one of his grand-father was a Jew. See Debré family.-- Olevy ( talk) 09:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
About the deletion of names by JohnInDC under the specious motive "rm series of unsourced / non-notable additions". First, all of the journalists cited are notables, as they all have their own article on fr.wiki, and are notably jewish. Secondly, they are not unsourced, some of them are already sourced (by libération, rue89, that, if you know this country, are notable newspapers). And which was not the case for the 12 names that were already on the list of journalists you edited without sources.-- Elias545 ( talk) 22:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Now according to most sources including his own Wikipedia page Roman Polanski is at least half & possibly three fourths Jewish and he is a citizen of France as sited in many pages such as Roman Polanski sexual abuse case or even [9]. so I placed him on this list but he was taken off of this list by someone saying 'removing Roman Polanski. He cannot be considered "French" by any extent' which I don not because is right because of his current citizenship. Grantblack ( talk) 22:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
There are about thirteen people on this list whose names are colored in red instead of black meaning that their pages do not exist English language Wikipeda. So I think that those should be deleted even those they have links, examples would be Jacques Bigart, Arié Elmaleh, Elie Lazard, and Elie Semoun. Grantblack ( talk) 8:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
I strongly protest against your list: I am not Jewish.To me,your list tantamounts to placing a yellow star on/after someone’s name.Such a simple-looking list like yours may be used by some extremists to harm good and law-abiding citizens only because they are Jews.Let's learn from history(at least from the awful lessons of the Second World War)and peacefully stop such potentially destructive tendencies.
P.S: “... Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions,senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die?” Source:The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare:Act 3, Scene 1.
Karl K.Imaan 21:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
"Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch.Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship.(Baha'u'llah)".On a personal note,promote unity and peace.Karl K.Imaan 14:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
-- Davvyfatboy ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
The decidedly odd list of people above, while including people who are not jewish at all such as Melissa Theurieu, and for the rest focusing almost exclusively on randomly chosen , and in some cases not particularly well-known journalists, obviously has the kind of agenda that doesn't greatly help wikipedia.
109.148.118.122 ( talk) 21:13, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hitler was Jewish!! Genghis Khan was Jewish? Christ was Jewish! Gironomo was Jewish! Santa Ana was Jewish! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.138.19 ( talk) 02:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC) Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ were not jewish of course! And by the way the Jews are NOT ancient Israelites this is a historically and anthropologically proven fact. How is it possible to write such a nonsense in a enzyklopedia? I really don't think that René Mayer is Jewish, but I can't confirm this yet-- Maxn 03:39, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Looking more carefully online, it seems Mayer probably had some Jewish origins after all. For example this PDF file says "...on trouve des hommes juifs de tout bord politique, comme René Cassin, René Mayer, ou Jules Moch et Pierre Mendès-France, évadés des prisons de Vichy". (Also, this description of René's cousin-once-removed indicates that Captain Armand Mayer is René's great-uncle.) Juko 01:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a reference for
Nicholas Sarkozy? I always thought he must be part Jewish but never have found any credible reference stating that.
Maxn 20:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Regarding Phil Spector's inclusion on this list: his mother was French (born of Russian immigrant parents), although he was born in New York City and raised in Los Angeles. This is documented in Mark Ribowsky's biography of Spector, He's A Rebel.
I don't think Liliane Bettencourt (Loreal) is jewish only her son in law is. I think it should be erased.
Nicolas Sarkozy is half jewish on his fathers side according to Wikipedia. Someone source this and add him to the list. Looking at his nose you can easily tell he is jewish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.67.95 ( talk) 22:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
please add to the list or answer me.
can someone erase it ???
Taken care of.
The fact that her son in law is "Jewish" proves that she is: Ashkenazis/Khazars are racially pure, the males do not marry/reproduce outside the tribe. Her son in law's wife, her daughter, MUST BE "JEWISH"-"Jewish" decent is matrilineal, therefore she MUST be "Jewish" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.253.76 ( talk) 22:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
The preceding statement is complete and utter tripe. The relationship between Ashkenazis and Khazars is virtually nil. As to the Ashkenazis insisting on being "racially pure," that's just plain ridiculous, as anyone who has seen their intermarriage rate these days can attest. In the US, that rate is something like 50%. In other Western countries it varies, but is probably not much lower.
Balthus has a reference, so should not be deleted. Jewprom is not a Wikipedia mirror. It does link to Wikipedia (not the same thing), but it has a list of the sources it has used. True, Amazon does sell biographies, but that does not mean that every statement on the Amazon site is an official or authorised biography.-- 20.138.246.89 15:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
If you can't see that the material is virtually copied and pasted from old wikipedia lists, you must be blind. It shouldn't matter though since we already know his mother probably had Jewish ancestors. The fact that Balthus denied having Jewish ancestry, and didn't practice Judaism really doesn't help his case. [2] It states that his father was Polish Catholic Gentry and his mother a Polish immigrant to France who was descended from the Russian Romanovs (who we know were Christians). Her father supposedly was a cantor which suggests through at least her paternal ancestry, there was Jewish practice. Nonetheless, Balthus' parents were Christians, as was Balthus himself - in fact, an ardent Catholic, he called the pope his "soul mate", and he denied his mother was Jewish throughtout his life. To be honest, who's a better source than Balthus himself? We don't know the details, and even if his mother did have significant Jewish ancestry..if he wishes not to be called Jewish then so be it. 72.144.161.165 20:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
"In addition, individuals actively assisted the Vichy regime, and the Nazis as well, by seizing Jewish private property, annihilating synagogues and other Jewish monuments, and in transporting Jews to Nazi death camps. Examples being Eugene Schueller, (the founder of the biggest cosmetics company in the world, French company, L’Oreal) and his L’Oreal colleagues, Andre Bettencourt and Jacques Correze."
Also, Brezin and Wollman have had citation needed tags on them for quite a while. If anyone can find a source within a few days, notably the users who added their names, please provide them. Otherwise, the names will have to be removed. 68.223.217.166
As discussed at Talk:Alexander Grothendieck, his father was undoubtedly jewish and the best source says that his mother was, too. Even if she was not, this is a list of "Jews and people of Jewish origins", so he is clearly eligible.-- Brownlee 16:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The following need to be sourced to sources that say they are Jewish
Mad Jack 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Totally False ! Sarkozy cannot be listed here : only his motherly grandfather is of jewish origin. And then, this article is based on sand if you do not define first what is a Jew... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.41.68 ( talk) 08:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Nicolas Sarcozy should certainly be in this list:
-- Brownlee 14:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a violation of WP:NOR here. We have two sources saying his mother was Jewish and none saying explicitly that she wasn't. Maybe both her parents were Jewish converts to Catholicism? Anyway, so long as he acknowledges his ancestry and says that his roots are in the greek Jewish community, do we have any right to exclude him? Kelly Osbourne is an irrelevance here.-- Newport 19:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
What does 'ACKNOWLEDGING ___ ancestry' have to do with anything? If he denies it, but its proven true somehow, would that somehow not making him eligible? This doesn't make sense. African American DNA is 10-15% of European origin. So the ones who acknowledge this as a fact are viable entries for a list of Europeans????? This is a joke. White Supremacist David Duke acknowledges he probably has African American heritage. So would everyone agree he should be put on List of African Americans? How is this any different from what's happening here?
Nicholas Sarkozy born to a Hungarian father and half French/half Greek-Jewish mother: [6]
He isn't even on List of famous Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary which would certainly be more viable given he's half Hungarian. Should he be put on List of Greeks too do you think? Did he ever call himself "Jewish" or "Greek" of "Hungarian"???
Tiger Woods is 1/4th Chinese. Can I place him on List of Chinese people? He doesn't deny Chinese heritage.
No responses or counter-arguments? Just reverts?
When does the limitation to Jewish Origins stop? A person is born Jewish, but does not practice, they can stay on here. But Sarkozy was not born Jewish and neither was his father or EVEN mother. Absolutely farfetched to keep him on here just because down the family line there was a racial Jew. So should we put Russian poet Alexander Pushkin on List of Ethiopians because his great-grandfather was Ethiopian? Should we put Tiger Woods or Keanu Reeves on List of Chinese people because they have acknowledged Chinese origins???? Use logic. This entry is a full-blown joke. I am changing it again.
You know what's odder? Why a user with such a long wiki experience, who knows perfectly well how to sign a comment, and who has a rather lengthy list of contributions still doesn't get a username and continuously finishes other user's discussions. That is quite odd. "Of Jewish origins" is a subjective interpretation that can mean anything you would like it to mean (1/16th Jewish descent too?) and can/should be easily changed. On the other hand, more properly documented lists like List of British Jews use a standard that, interestingly enough, many if not all other lists use. This list shall be no different. 141.211.251.69 22:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
As a french, i can say that is ridiculous to put sarkozy in the list. Beaucause if so, i can add 1000 personallities more 1/4 jewish ('scuse for my english) 82.226.68.59 09:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
That begs the question should we put people who are very semitic in culture but not ancestry on here too? This is opening a box of vast options! Especially since being proud of Jewish ancestry has some sort of say in this. 141.211.210.121
I cannot see any reason to make a major change to the scope of this list, which would put it out of line with many other similar lists. There is no general Wikipedia policy on ethnic lists, despite more than one attempt to agree on one. However, it is common practice to include people with partial Jewish ancestry, so long as their entry makes clear what their ancestry is. The change to the unique rule on List of British Jews was made after a vote on the talk page of that article, which is obviously not binding on other articles. We should not make such a change here unless and until we have had a similar vote. And if the intention had been to move to the same policy as that list, a similar wording should have been used: "List of French Jews is a list that includes Jewish people from France and its predecessor states."-- Newport 21:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
"Of Jewish origins" states nothing of the scope of this list anyway. A "French Jew" is a term that can't be defined by wikipedia users. If this was a list of French people with a Jewish grandfather, Sarkozy would fit. Instead this is a list of French Jews. Therefore, unless somewhere it unflauntingly states Sarkozy is Jewish (and we know he's a French politician), he's not an appropriate entry... :-/ End of story, despite all the hoo-haw by anti-semites and philo-semites to make note of it. 141.211.210.121 17:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, you are right!!!
Peace man!
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Being used to Wiki too much, I just want to say it quickly: this list makes me sick, and it probably makes a lot of other Wikipedians sick. Probably a lot of them are French (that's why they stumbled there) and not much less Jewish. To put it clearly: the huge majority of French people do not classify themselves according to religion or ethnicity, and the last time some guy made such a list... well, he was called fr:André Tulard, and this definitely deserved to be translated (for non-French speaking people: André Tulard was in charge of the Direction of Foreign Service and Jewish Affairs at the prefecture of Police before 1940 and after 1940. Although the French state claimed its files were deleted in 1945, they were actually found by some stubborn historians in... the early 1990s ! Fifty years since the French state has retained a list of "its French Jews"... Just in case? What are you Wikipedians innocently doing, trying to be "philo-semitic" or "anti-semitic" as one fellow put up out there? Just... leave it there! Classify your friends, on your personal diaries, if you will — leave strangers alone! Lapaz
Be careful of what corrections are made to the sources of this list. According to the hierarchy of reliable sources the person themselves has the last word on their religion, ethnicity, nationality and so on. Second to that comes family, but priority goes to family publications than just statements. So, under these circumstances, both Balthus, who makes it painfully clear he was not Jewish to many biographers and Eugene Ionesco, who actually never said he was of Jewish descent, doesn't qualify. Anyone who has read Ionesco's autobiographical writings --- one can search them here http://www.amazon.com/Present-Past-Personal-Memoir/dp/0306808358 and these are really really short, it only took me a few hours to read --- knows that there is absolutely no mention of a Jewish mother or any sort of Jewish heritage anywhere in the book, which apparently supports his daughter's claim that the statement of "affirming his Jewish origins" is a lie. Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't been able to find any source that Michel Eyquem de Montaigne's mother was born a Jew, only that her family had once descended from Jews. This could be said of many Spanish families at the times of the explusions, and who knows how many generations back this conversion may have happened. It doesn't say. Does anybody know? Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Need another reference for Taubenhaus. Mehmeda 01:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
There is an Internet site stating that both Segolene Royal and Francois Hollande are ethnic Jews. I can not find any confirmation about Royal but seems to me that Hollande is not actually a French last name..--armenianNY 03:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Only, one of his grand-father was a Jew. See Debré family.-- Olevy ( talk) 09:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
About the deletion of names by JohnInDC under the specious motive "rm series of unsourced / non-notable additions". First, all of the journalists cited are notables, as they all have their own article on fr.wiki, and are notably jewish. Secondly, they are not unsourced, some of them are already sourced (by libération, rue89, that, if you know this country, are notable newspapers). And which was not the case for the 12 names that were already on the list of journalists you edited without sources.-- Elias545 ( talk) 22:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Now according to most sources including his own Wikipedia page Roman Polanski is at least half & possibly three fourths Jewish and he is a citizen of France as sited in many pages such as Roman Polanski sexual abuse case or even [9]. so I placed him on this list but he was taken off of this list by someone saying 'removing Roman Polanski. He cannot be considered "French" by any extent' which I don not because is right because of his current citizenship. Grantblack ( talk) 22:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
There are about thirteen people on this list whose names are colored in red instead of black meaning that their pages do not exist English language Wikipeda. So I think that those should be deleted even those they have links, examples would be Jacques Bigart, Arié Elmaleh, Elie Lazard, and Elie Semoun. Grantblack ( talk) 8:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
I strongly protest against your list: I am not Jewish.To me,your list tantamounts to placing a yellow star on/after someone’s name.Such a simple-looking list like yours may be used by some extremists to harm good and law-abiding citizens only because they are Jews.Let's learn from history(at least from the awful lessons of the Second World War)and peacefully stop such potentially destructive tendencies.
P.S: “... Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions,senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die?” Source:The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare:Act 3, Scene 1.
Karl K.Imaan 21:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
"Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch.Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship.(Baha'u'llah)".On a personal note,promote unity and peace.Karl K.Imaan 14:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
-- Davvyfatboy ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
The decidedly odd list of people above, while including people who are not jewish at all such as Melissa Theurieu, and for the rest focusing almost exclusively on randomly chosen , and in some cases not particularly well-known journalists, obviously has the kind of agenda that doesn't greatly help wikipedia.
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