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Links to Mulhorandi gods incorrect.
The Lady of Pain's status is uncertain (at least for Planescape canon) but she(it?) should not be considered a power (that is, goddess)
Should this page mention that some of the FR gods are pulled from Real World mythology? FrozenPurpleCube 20:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
There is also mentioned in the AD&D 2nd edition book On Hallowed Ground(on page 182), another figure like the Lord Ao named Aoskar. He was destoryed by the Lady of Pain, and had dominion over portals.
Also, on page 30 of Faiths & Avatars Ao is listed to have a superior who is A Luminous Being.
I dont know if i am doing this correct, but this article lists lurue as a demideity, while her own article lists her as lesser OR minor, which is hard to understand... which one is now correct? 84.160.74.159 19:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm getting ready to take a pause from more serious topics and systematically improve the Forgotten Realms content, most of which is entirely based on 2e material at this time.
Can anyone confirm, in either 2e or 3e content, a source that confirms any of the following as actually being Forgotten Realms deities (rather than Greyhawk or "generic")?
Bargrivyek - Cult of the Singing Skull - Eadro - Gaknulak - Gorellik - Grankhul - Gzemnid - Jazirian - Koriel - Maanzecorian - Meriadar - Nomog-Gaeya - Persana - Psilofyr - Quorlinn - Ramenos - Remnis - Skiggaret - Stalker - Surminare - Syranita - The Bright Sword - The Dark God - The Great Wise Worm
Or any of the deities listed as Faerie deities or "The Dark Deities"? Serpent's Choice 09:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
It's awe-inspiring to see a rewrite on this scale, especially since copious references were added to support the whole thing. Ergo, kudos! -- Agamemnon2 14:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that some fool put Lolth as a greater god. which is completely wrong, she doesnt have nearly as many followers to be greater... According to D&D 3.5 she is an intermediate god and as far as i believe, she's been that from the beginning.
There are though many gods that are still not mentioned that are not FR specific. only D&D in general. But perhaps those are not worth mentioned on this article. I really don't know.
Also, as for the Dead Unther gods. as i wrote Inanna is the original name of the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, that often is associated with the egyptian goddess Isis, although they are two completetely different gods from two completely different cultures. We Northern barbarians really mix things up once in a while ;P
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.67.194.29 ( talk) 18:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC).
What do these letters stand for? There needs to be a legend somewhere on the article page. Neon Merlin 18:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
As of the launch of the Forgotten Realms 4E campain setting, a lot of significant changes have occurred concerning the deities and faiths. A lot of species-specific deities have been retconned as manifestations of other deities, e.g. Yondalla was actually Chauntea all along, Talos was actually Gruumsh, etc. Other powers have been reduced to "Exarch" status, which is basically a demigod who generally serves a greater or lesser deity. Some gods are dead (Tyr, Mystra, Azuth, Helm, pretty much the whole drow pantheon other than Lolth). Asmodeus is also now a Greater Power, in addition to Archduke of the Nine Hells. ChipEverwood ( talk) 16:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
As an effort has been launched to systematically delete articles linked from this list and turned into redirects, I propose this policy be taken to its logical conclusion. The systematic deletion of every single D&D deity article linked to from this list and every single list like it. After that, delete the lists, for the exact same reason. Deities from the D&D game do not, in fact, possess any real-world notability. After this has been accomplished, start mass deletions of D&D content, there must be hundreds of undeserving pages on Wikipedia, detailing non-notable books, creatures, people and characters linked in some way to the D&D game. If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right. -- Agamemnon2 ( talk) 17:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The Agathos Daimon (Forgotten Realms) article does not present sufficient information to stand on its own, nor is it notable enough to have its own article. It should be merged into this list. Neelix ( talk) 11:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I seem to have found the sources for Agathos Daimon:
Unfortunately I was not able to mail the editor of Tiefling's Exultation, but a user at Candlekeep-Forum said, that it is not canon (i. e. published by Wizards?). Therefore I would rather exclude Agathos Daimon completely. Daranios ( talk) 12:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Please give this a read and tell me what you think. LA @ 06:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The proposal has been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons/Deity article merge proposal. LA @ 15:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Deneir had been changed into a redirect and back to an article several times (being protected for that reason for some time). I guess there was some discussion somewhere, either about Deneir specifically or minor Forgotten Realms gods in general, if they should be merged with this list. I would like to link that discussion to the respective talk page in order to ward off an edit war, but I cannot find it at the moment. Can anyone help? Thanks. Daranios ( talk) 18:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
All of this info are sourced from old editions of the game. It needs to be updated to reflect the current edition. (Feel free, however, to retain the existing information as long as it's clear it's obsolete). In short, I agree to what's said in the Significant Updates Needed, Concerning 4th Edition section above.
Slapped an update tag on this, as a minimum warning to visitors this ain't done. CapnZapp ( talk) 16:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Why does the list say Tyr is a dead power? His page says he is still alive and kicking. --- 71.180.79.190 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC).
Someone added "(now a dead power)" to several deities without explanations. Wonder what this is about... -- megA ( talk) 01:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Additionally, Eilistraee was never killed. Per cannon layed out in the Avatar series, A God must be killed in their own plane (AO casts the Gods to the prime material plane so they can die there). Eilistraee was slew in the realms, not in her plane. Secondly, when Mystra, Bane, and Torm each died they produced massive explosions, which didn't occur when Eilistaee died. Lastly, I have contacted the author of the book (I own eilistraee.org, so she replied) and she stated that she didn't want to kill Eilistraee. I submit that Eilistraee was gravely wounded but is not protected by her father until she may rise again.--
Lotus253 (
talk)
01:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
If the newcomer/late deity Cyric has his own page; the quintessential dark god Bane, who is the archetype and typifies supernatural villain god in rpg setting and has for years; likely has all sorts of popular culture influences that are hard to spot or source but if could be collected and sourced would be gold for a wikipedia article. Bane, of all the D&D gods here which have their own article, is the most surprising not to have one. Someone set out on this venture of making a notable page for Bane that won't get axed. Thanks! 4.242.174.243 ( talk) 14:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The vast majority of the deities and deity groups in Forgotten Realms are not sufficiently notable to justify their own articles. As such, the following articles should be merged here: Valkur, Umberlee, Ubtao, Tyr (Forgotten Realms), Tymora, Torm, Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons), Tempus (Forgotten Realms), Tchazzar, Talos (Forgotten Realms), Talona, Sune, Silvanus (Forgotten Realms), Shiallia, Shaundakul, Shar (goddess), Sess'Innek, Selûne, Selan (Dungeons & Dragons), Segojan Earthcaller, Savras, Panzuriel, Oghma (Forgotten Realms), Nobanion, Nebelun, Mystra (goddess), Myrkul, Moradin, Moander, Milil, Mielikki (Forgotten Realms), Merrshaulk, Meriadar, Mask (Forgotten Realms), Marthammor Duin, Malar (Forgotten Realms), Maglubiyet, Lurue, Loviatar (Forgotten Realms), Lolth, Lliira, Leira (goddess), Lathander, Laogzed, Kostchtchie, Kossuth (Dungeons & Dragons), Kor (Dungeons & Dragons), Kiaransalee, Juiblex, Jergal, Jazirian, Iyachtu Xvim, Istishia, Ilsensine, Ilmater, Ibrandul, Helm (Forgotten Realms), Halfling deities, Gzemnid, Gruumsh, Grumbar, Great Mother (Dungeons & Dragons), Grankhul, Gond (god), Goblinoid deities, Gnome deities, Giant deities, Garl Glittergold, Gargauth, Fenmarel Mestarine, Eshowdow, Elf deities, Eldath, Eilistraee, Dwarf deities, Dumathoin, Drow deities, Dragon deities, Deneir, Demogorgon (Dungeons & Dragons), Cyric, Corellon Larethian, Circle of Greater Powers, Chauntea, Blibdoolpoolp, Bhaal, Beshaba, Baravar Cloakshadow, Baphomet (Dungeons & Dragons), Bane (god), Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons), Azuth, Auril, Annam (Dungeons & Dragons), Angharradh, Amaunator, and Akadi. Neelix ( talk) 22:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Links to Mulhorandi gods incorrect.
The Lady of Pain's status is uncertain (at least for Planescape canon) but she(it?) should not be considered a power (that is, goddess)
Should this page mention that some of the FR gods are pulled from Real World mythology? FrozenPurpleCube 20:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
There is also mentioned in the AD&D 2nd edition book On Hallowed Ground(on page 182), another figure like the Lord Ao named Aoskar. He was destoryed by the Lady of Pain, and had dominion over portals.
Also, on page 30 of Faiths & Avatars Ao is listed to have a superior who is A Luminous Being.
I dont know if i am doing this correct, but this article lists lurue as a demideity, while her own article lists her as lesser OR minor, which is hard to understand... which one is now correct? 84.160.74.159 19:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm getting ready to take a pause from more serious topics and systematically improve the Forgotten Realms content, most of which is entirely based on 2e material at this time.
Can anyone confirm, in either 2e or 3e content, a source that confirms any of the following as actually being Forgotten Realms deities (rather than Greyhawk or "generic")?
Bargrivyek - Cult of the Singing Skull - Eadro - Gaknulak - Gorellik - Grankhul - Gzemnid - Jazirian - Koriel - Maanzecorian - Meriadar - Nomog-Gaeya - Persana - Psilofyr - Quorlinn - Ramenos - Remnis - Skiggaret - Stalker - Surminare - Syranita - The Bright Sword - The Dark God - The Great Wise Worm
Or any of the deities listed as Faerie deities or "The Dark Deities"? Serpent's Choice 09:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
It's awe-inspiring to see a rewrite on this scale, especially since copious references were added to support the whole thing. Ergo, kudos! -- Agamemnon2 14:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that some fool put Lolth as a greater god. which is completely wrong, she doesnt have nearly as many followers to be greater... According to D&D 3.5 she is an intermediate god and as far as i believe, she's been that from the beginning.
There are though many gods that are still not mentioned that are not FR specific. only D&D in general. But perhaps those are not worth mentioned on this article. I really don't know.
Also, as for the Dead Unther gods. as i wrote Inanna is the original name of the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, that often is associated with the egyptian goddess Isis, although they are two completetely different gods from two completely different cultures. We Northern barbarians really mix things up once in a while ;P
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.67.194.29 ( talk) 18:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC).
What do these letters stand for? There needs to be a legend somewhere on the article page. Neon Merlin 18:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
As of the launch of the Forgotten Realms 4E campain setting, a lot of significant changes have occurred concerning the deities and faiths. A lot of species-specific deities have been retconned as manifestations of other deities, e.g. Yondalla was actually Chauntea all along, Talos was actually Gruumsh, etc. Other powers have been reduced to "Exarch" status, which is basically a demigod who generally serves a greater or lesser deity. Some gods are dead (Tyr, Mystra, Azuth, Helm, pretty much the whole drow pantheon other than Lolth). Asmodeus is also now a Greater Power, in addition to Archduke of the Nine Hells. ChipEverwood ( talk) 16:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
As an effort has been launched to systematically delete articles linked from this list and turned into redirects, I propose this policy be taken to its logical conclusion. The systematic deletion of every single D&D deity article linked to from this list and every single list like it. After that, delete the lists, for the exact same reason. Deities from the D&D game do not, in fact, possess any real-world notability. After this has been accomplished, start mass deletions of D&D content, there must be hundreds of undeserving pages on Wikipedia, detailing non-notable books, creatures, people and characters linked in some way to the D&D game. If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right. -- Agamemnon2 ( talk) 17:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The Agathos Daimon (Forgotten Realms) article does not present sufficient information to stand on its own, nor is it notable enough to have its own article. It should be merged into this list. Neelix ( talk) 11:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I seem to have found the sources for Agathos Daimon:
Unfortunately I was not able to mail the editor of Tiefling's Exultation, but a user at Candlekeep-Forum said, that it is not canon (i. e. published by Wizards?). Therefore I would rather exclude Agathos Daimon completely. Daranios ( talk) 12:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Please give this a read and tell me what you think. LA @ 06:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
The proposal has been moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dungeons & Dragons/Deity article merge proposal. LA @ 15:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Deneir had been changed into a redirect and back to an article several times (being protected for that reason for some time). I guess there was some discussion somewhere, either about Deneir specifically or minor Forgotten Realms gods in general, if they should be merged with this list. I would like to link that discussion to the respective talk page in order to ward off an edit war, but I cannot find it at the moment. Can anyone help? Thanks. Daranios ( talk) 18:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
All of this info are sourced from old editions of the game. It needs to be updated to reflect the current edition. (Feel free, however, to retain the existing information as long as it's clear it's obsolete). In short, I agree to what's said in the Significant Updates Needed, Concerning 4th Edition section above.
Slapped an update tag on this, as a minimum warning to visitors this ain't done. CapnZapp ( talk) 16:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Why does the list say Tyr is a dead power? His page says he is still alive and kicking. --- 71.180.79.190 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC).
Someone added "(now a dead power)" to several deities without explanations. Wonder what this is about... -- megA ( talk) 01:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Additionally, Eilistraee was never killed. Per cannon layed out in the Avatar series, A God must be killed in their own plane (AO casts the Gods to the prime material plane so they can die there). Eilistraee was slew in the realms, not in her plane. Secondly, when Mystra, Bane, and Torm each died they produced massive explosions, which didn't occur when Eilistaee died. Lastly, I have contacted the author of the book (I own eilistraee.org, so she replied) and she stated that she didn't want to kill Eilistraee. I submit that Eilistraee was gravely wounded but is not protected by her father until she may rise again.--
Lotus253 (
talk)
01:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
If the newcomer/late deity Cyric has his own page; the quintessential dark god Bane, who is the archetype and typifies supernatural villain god in rpg setting and has for years; likely has all sorts of popular culture influences that are hard to spot or source but if could be collected and sourced would be gold for a wikipedia article. Bane, of all the D&D gods here which have their own article, is the most surprising not to have one. Someone set out on this venture of making a notable page for Bane that won't get axed. Thanks! 4.242.174.243 ( talk) 14:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The vast majority of the deities and deity groups in Forgotten Realms are not sufficiently notable to justify their own articles. As such, the following articles should be merged here: Valkur, Umberlee, Ubtao, Tyr (Forgotten Realms), Tymora, Torm, Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons), Tempus (Forgotten Realms), Tchazzar, Talos (Forgotten Realms), Talona, Sune, Silvanus (Forgotten Realms), Shiallia, Shaundakul, Shar (goddess), Sess'Innek, Selûne, Selan (Dungeons & Dragons), Segojan Earthcaller, Savras, Panzuriel, Oghma (Forgotten Realms), Nobanion, Nebelun, Mystra (goddess), Myrkul, Moradin, Moander, Milil, Mielikki (Forgotten Realms), Merrshaulk, Meriadar, Mask (Forgotten Realms), Marthammor Duin, Malar (Forgotten Realms), Maglubiyet, Lurue, Loviatar (Forgotten Realms), Lolth, Lliira, Leira (goddess), Lathander, Laogzed, Kostchtchie, Kossuth (Dungeons & Dragons), Kor (Dungeons & Dragons), Kiaransalee, Juiblex, Jergal, Jazirian, Iyachtu Xvim, Istishia, Ilsensine, Ilmater, Ibrandul, Helm (Forgotten Realms), Halfling deities, Gzemnid, Gruumsh, Grumbar, Great Mother (Dungeons & Dragons), Grankhul, Gond (god), Goblinoid deities, Gnome deities, Giant deities, Garl Glittergold, Gargauth, Fenmarel Mestarine, Eshowdow, Elf deities, Eldath, Eilistraee, Dwarf deities, Dumathoin, Drow deities, Dragon deities, Deneir, Demogorgon (Dungeons & Dragons), Cyric, Corellon Larethian, Circle of Greater Powers, Chauntea, Blibdoolpoolp, Bhaal, Beshaba, Baravar Cloakshadow, Baphomet (Dungeons & Dragons), Bane (god), Bahamut (Dungeons & Dragons), Azuth, Auril, Annam (Dungeons & Dragons), Angharradh, Amaunator, and Akadi. Neelix ( talk) 22:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)