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Eurovision.tv is an EBU source and is referenced. Given that this is a list article, I'm not sure how many more sources the person who marked this for cleanup expects... 82.24.207.246 ( talk) 07:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I would like to challenge the hidden text in the article which says
Please, do NOT add Maruv and "Siren Song" here. They were never announced as Ukraine's entry neither from UA:PBC, nor from the EBU. It had just won the national final.
According to
Eurovision Song Contest 2019#Late Ukrainian withdrawal, On 27 February 2019, UA:PBC announced that the country had withdrawn from the 2019 Eurovision Song Contest
. This means that Ukraine officially withdrew from the contest.
While it is true that they never officially crowned Maruv as the representative, once Maruv declined the contract, UA:PBC tried to negotiate with the runner up to represent Ukraine, and when that failed they tried to go with the 3rd place winner (the 2nd runner up) and that failed too.
I would therefore support including an entry in the table for Ukraine with no entry for the artist, song, and language, but a footnote saying that the broadcaster had lined up 3 potential representatives, but none accepted the terms imposed by the broadcaster, forcing the broadcaster to withdraw.
Banana Republic (
talk)
15:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
It seems that due to the shear size of the list, the list should probably be split similar to what was done at List of Saturday Night Live episodes. Banana Republic ( talk) 16:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
This recent edit made the table collapsed by default, which is nice, but now the headers of the tables don't show up due to the bug T64878. Since it doesn't look like this bug is getting fixed anytime soon, and since it's fairly useful to be able to see the headers, I think we should do a temporary workaround.
Our options are making the table not sortable, not collapsed by default or removing the first header row (which doesn't amount to anything anyway). Which do you think is the best option? JochemvanHees ( talk) 13:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
First of all, I'd like to thank @ Sims2aholic8: for his many improvements to this page. However, one of the changes was the removal of the number of points the entry received. I can't find the reason why this was removed, and I think that this number is useful information that is relevant to this article, so I think they should return. JochemvanHees ( talk) 16:06, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@ 009988aaabbbccc: Why do you keep removing "Ya nauchu tebya" from the list of withdrawn entries? It is a song that was selected but didn't compete, so it belongs in this list. 鈥 JochemvanHees ( talk) 12:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Then include replaced Belarussian entries from 2005, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, as well as many other replaced entries. I put once table of replaced entries but it got removed. 009988aaabbbccc ( talk) 13:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I recently encountered this article during its ongoing FLC discussion. As I reviewed it, I found its length to be problematic; it seems much too long to navigate comfortably, and with large numbers of new entries each year, the problem will only worsen with time.
Given this, and after a discussion with FL nominator Sims2aholic8, I would like to propose a split for this list. I personally proposed two options: a two-list option that would use 1956鈥2000 and 2001鈥損resent as the divisions (i.e. roughly splitting the current list in two), or a four-list option that would use 1956鈥79, 1980鈥99, 2000鈥19, and 2020鈥損resent (i.e. 20-year chunks). We could also keep the most recent list at the current article page and move the remaining years to distinct lists; so, for example, my first proposal would produce List of entries in the Eurovision Song Contest (1956鈥99) and List of entries in the Eurovision Song Contest. This is similar to how List of The Simpsons episodes is split to control its length. I personally think the second proposal is better since it establishes a clear pattern and precedent, but I do not want to make such a major decision by myself and would really appreciate more input.
Thoughts? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 23:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
I would also like to say that over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision, a few editors agreed to rename several Eurovision list articles, including this one; the new title will be "List of Eurovision Song Contest entries". I thought we might as well do that while we're splitting this article anyway. 鈥 JochemvanHees ( talk) 09:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. 鈥 RMCD bot 15:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Since the list is now split in two, and the other half is named List of Eurovision Song Contest entries (1956鈥2003), I think it would make sense to rename this one to something similar? Possibly something like List of Eurovision Song Contest entries since 2004. Considering both lists are essentially just two halves of the same list and are of equal importance and prominence, it may be a bit misleading that one of the halves has a title that doesn't make it clear that it only represent entries from 2004 and onwards. My suggestion is to either rename it to better reflect what it represents, or to keep the name List of Eurovision Song Contest entries but having it link both to the separate list for entries from 1956-2003 and to a separate list for entries from 2004-. Zouki08 ( talk) 12:00, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
List of Eurovision Song Contest entries (2004鈥損resent) is a former featured list candidate. Please view the link under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. Once the objections have been addressed you may resubmit the article for featured list status. | ||||||||||
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Text and/or other creative content from this version of List of Eurovision Song Contest entries was copied or moved into List of Eurovision Song Contest entries (1956鈥2003) with this edit on 18 April 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
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Eurovision.tv is an EBU source and is referenced. Given that this is a list article, I'm not sure how many more sources the person who marked this for cleanup expects... 82.24.207.246 ( talk) 07:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I would like to challenge the hidden text in the article which says
Please, do NOT add Maruv and "Siren Song" here. They were never announced as Ukraine's entry neither from UA:PBC, nor from the EBU. It had just won the national final.
According to
Eurovision Song Contest 2019#Late Ukrainian withdrawal, On 27 February 2019, UA:PBC announced that the country had withdrawn from the 2019 Eurovision Song Contest
. This means that Ukraine officially withdrew from the contest.
While it is true that they never officially crowned Maruv as the representative, once Maruv declined the contract, UA:PBC tried to negotiate with the runner up to represent Ukraine, and when that failed they tried to go with the 3rd place winner (the 2nd runner up) and that failed too.
I would therefore support including an entry in the table for Ukraine with no entry for the artist, song, and language, but a footnote saying that the broadcaster had lined up 3 potential representatives, but none accepted the terms imposed by the broadcaster, forcing the broadcaster to withdraw.
Banana Republic (
talk)
15:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
It seems that due to the shear size of the list, the list should probably be split similar to what was done at List of Saturday Night Live episodes. Banana Republic ( talk) 16:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
This recent edit made the table collapsed by default, which is nice, but now the headers of the tables don't show up due to the bug T64878. Since it doesn't look like this bug is getting fixed anytime soon, and since it's fairly useful to be able to see the headers, I think we should do a temporary workaround.
Our options are making the table not sortable, not collapsed by default or removing the first header row (which doesn't amount to anything anyway). Which do you think is the best option? JochemvanHees ( talk) 13:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
First of all, I'd like to thank @ Sims2aholic8: for his many improvements to this page. However, one of the changes was the removal of the number of points the entry received. I can't find the reason why this was removed, and I think that this number is useful information that is relevant to this article, so I think they should return. JochemvanHees ( talk) 16:06, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@ 009988aaabbbccc: Why do you keep removing "Ya nauchu tebya" from the list of withdrawn entries? It is a song that was selected but didn't compete, so it belongs in this list. 鈥 JochemvanHees ( talk) 12:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Then include replaced Belarussian entries from 2005, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, as well as many other replaced entries. I put once table of replaced entries but it got removed. 009988aaabbbccc ( talk) 13:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
I recently encountered this article during its ongoing FLC discussion. As I reviewed it, I found its length to be problematic; it seems much too long to navigate comfortably, and with large numbers of new entries each year, the problem will only worsen with time.
Given this, and after a discussion with FL nominator Sims2aholic8, I would like to propose a split for this list. I personally proposed two options: a two-list option that would use 1956鈥2000 and 2001鈥損resent as the divisions (i.e. roughly splitting the current list in two), or a four-list option that would use 1956鈥79, 1980鈥99, 2000鈥19, and 2020鈥損resent (i.e. 20-year chunks). We could also keep the most recent list at the current article page and move the remaining years to distinct lists; so, for example, my first proposal would produce List of entries in the Eurovision Song Contest (1956鈥99) and List of entries in the Eurovision Song Contest. This is similar to how List of The Simpsons episodes is split to control its length. I personally think the second proposal is better since it establishes a clear pattern and precedent, but I do not want to make such a major decision by myself and would really appreciate more input.
Thoughts? RunningTiger123 ( talk) 23:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
I would also like to say that over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision, a few editors agreed to rename several Eurovision list articles, including this one; the new title will be "List of Eurovision Song Contest entries". I thought we might as well do that while we're splitting this article anyway. 鈥 JochemvanHees ( talk) 09:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. 鈥 RMCD bot 15:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Since the list is now split in two, and the other half is named List of Eurovision Song Contest entries (1956鈥2003), I think it would make sense to rename this one to something similar? Possibly something like List of Eurovision Song Contest entries since 2004. Considering both lists are essentially just two halves of the same list and are of equal importance and prominence, it may be a bit misleading that one of the halves has a title that doesn't make it clear that it only represent entries from 2004 and onwards. My suggestion is to either rename it to better reflect what it represents, or to keep the name List of Eurovision Song Contest entries but having it link both to the separate list for entries from 1956-2003 and to a separate list for entries from 2004-. Zouki08 ( talk) 12:00, 12 September 2021 (UTC)