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Arthur Shelton, I have to say, is the first Eagle Scout I have ever heard and his actions provide an interesting perspective of how Eagle Scouts should be viewed (as not all scouts are good). More info of his actions are listed here: http://www.parallelpac.org/murder.htm. I can say that he is a very notable Eagle scout. I had never heard of Eagle Scouts until I read that article. 74.103.8.249 19:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Not all Eagle Scouts are notable and not all murderers are notable. Add the two and they are still not notable. There is a list on Rotten.com. Several cannot be verified one way or the other and the others like Altstadt just aren't notable. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
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There is a website for the book. Suggest that the reference link be changed. [1] -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
He may not make notability, but Kevin Sterne was the young man whose photo was on the front pages as he was carried out of Norris Hall at Virginia Tech. He saved his own life when he applied a tourniquet fashioned from an electrical cord after he was shot through the femoral artery. [2] -- Gadget850 ( Ed)
Should Daniel Carter Beard be considered an Eagle Scout? He was awarded a gold Eagle Scout badge in 1922. Peterson's The Boy Scouts: An American Adventure has a photo on page 27 of Dan Bead and B-P. This was taken in 1937 and shows both of them wearing the Silver Buffalo and "Uncle Dan" is quite clearly wearing an Eagle Scout badge. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
He is not an Eagle Scout, see [3] and two separate threads on his talk page of his article. Rlevse 22:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Randy,
Thank you for contacting the Romney for President Campaign. Governor Romney has been involved in Boy Scouts; however he is not an Eagle Scout.
Again, thank you for your interest. Please feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions/comments regarding Governor Romney.
Sincerely,
Sarah
Romney for President Rlevse 10:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I added Prof. Lee R. Berger to the list of notable scouts and he was subsequently deleted. He is an explorer for National Geographic and the Reader in Human Evolution and the Public Understanding of Science at the University of the Witwatersrand. He won the Honor Medal for saving a life from the Boy Scouts of America. You can see his web site at www.profleeberger.com I believe he should be included.
Gladysvale 12:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The citation you added has no mention of Eagle Scout. I tagged the entry pending a proper reference.-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I almost give up but not quite - I thought I had a proper reference!!! He is also listed in Wikepedia under Lee R. Berger (which I highlighted) and is noted as an eagle and honor medal winner. What did I do wrong that got the listing eliminated as "no citation" - I'm not clear - help!!!
Gladysvale 15:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Found a proper reference from his article and added him to the list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Jon Powers is an Eagle Scout according to his site. [5] Unfortunately, there is not much left of his article after I chopped out the material copied directly from news articles. I suggest we wait and see how this article plays out. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The article on James Dale was recently deleted and redirect to Boy Scouts of America v. Dale. Per the guidelines, article deletion means removal form the list. Any discussion? -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's a new article on Walter Hart, an 88-year-old WWII veteran who was just honored as an Eagle Scout. Quite interesting; I wonder if he might be considered notable enough to include on this list, though he doesn't have a wikipedia article as of yet. Dr. Cash 04:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
If we wanted to include the "oldest known person" to actually *earn* Eagle, then it would be Eugene Cheatham. As I understand it Paige and Hart had earned Eagle as youths, but simply had not been presented the award; Cheatham had to go though the board of review that he had missed as a youth. While the length of time is unusual for Paige and Hart, many Eagle Scouts have a court of honor well after earning Eagle. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
The Spielberg description including his criticism of BSA's discriminatory membership practices was documented and sourced and cannot be removed just because it is unfavorable towards BSA. I am placeing it back in his description. Lasalle202 03:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
If the three of you are in such advert agreement, then it appears your mind accepts the premise. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
At four to one, your team has the lead. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.rotten.com/library/culture/eagle-scouts/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.50 ( talk) 16:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone given any consideration to the youngest Eagle Scout? I have heard that NESA/BSA does not support the finding of the youngest Eagle Scout in history. Perhaps the more reasonable title is the youngest "known" Eagle Scout. Has the Guinness Book of World Records recognized this honor? There seem to be so many claims of who is/was the youngest. I think this is a title that people are more curious about than the list of "most famous Eagle Scouts." [1] MATTEOCHAN
You're right, there's no way to verify that. I personally know people that made it at just shy of 13 years old. BSA doesn't track by race either. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Correct. Unless there was documentation provided for the "youngest documented" - which might be outside the scope of this wikiProject. I thought is was worth a try, since I was 11 years, 7 months. Hard to beat. Matteochan ( talk) 00:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Can you give me a timeline on that? Under the current system, you'd have be at most 10 y 7 m at Star and since you can't join prior to 10 y 6 mos... — Rlevse • Talk • 00:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem. One of the things that helped me was that I attained Arrow of Light at around 9 years, 8 months. I checked all the dates in my Scout book. Born July 28, 1982. Became a Boy Scout June 11, 1992 (9 years, 10 months, 15 days). Tenderfoot / 2nd Class attained 12 August 1992 (two boards in the same night, 10 years, 16 days). 1st Class attained: 9 September 1992 (10 years, 1 month, 13 days). Star attained: January 14, 1993 (10 years, 6 months, 14 days). Life attained August 11, 1993 (11 years, 15 days). Attained Eagle: March 16, 1994 (11 years, 7 months, 17 days). 75.71.10.14 ( talk) 12:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
While cleaning up references, I am finding a few dead links. I am marking these with {{ dead link}} until we can get them fixed. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Should the lead-in be changed to indicate that the list also includes people who were notable prior to becoming eagle scouts (eg. Henry Nicols)? meamemg 01:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't care which name we use. The problem is that drive-by editors change the name and don't bother to clean up. Here are the problems with the recent rename to List of notable Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America):
Arguments for either name:
When either of two styles is acceptable, it is inappropriate for an editor to change an article from one style to another unless there is a substantial reason to do so. . . If an article has been stable in a given style, it should not be converted without a reason that goes beyond mere choice of style.
The list was just renamed in November and I had to do a bunch of cleanup and now we are at it again. When we decide which name to lock down, we need to ask that the other be protected so we can stop this foolishness. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Discuss:
The guideline says not to use "notable" in list titles a they perforce must be notable to be on the list. I'll rename it back to without the "notable" and fix links I find. Let me know if I miss something. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to enter this conversation. The fact that the title does not say notable, it is indeed implying that the list is of all Eagle Scouts, which is not true. Now the guideline may say that all lists are notable (it would be very easy to argue that point though on wikipedia) so therefore a list title does not need to include "notable." However, it dosent seem any of you knew that until you looked up the guidelines. How many general wikipedia users (ie people that come here to gather information only) know that? I can sum it up for you, right around none of them. I am sort of new to the whole wikipedia editing thing, in fact Ive never editted anything, and at this point on make suggestions and such in discussion pages until I laern all the rules. But it seems like many "editors" have lost touch with common "readers" in that they assume the "readers" know all of the rules, when in fact many editors dont even know all the rules. Not even sure if it is possible for one person to know all the rules. So a "reader" would see this list, and in they didnt read the opening paragraphs, would never know that is was a noteable only list. Especially since the list already has a special designation for Distinguished Eagle Scouts. So guideline or no guideline, I think "notable" should be in the title. If it is not to be included in the title, than the first sentance should include an explaination before going into what an Eagle Scout is, which is actually here yet redundant to the Eagle Scout page. Xcalibur27 ( talk) 20:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC) (Eagle Scout)
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First, there is a clear consensus that simply being a contestant on Survivor does not make one notable, removing Burton Roberts. As it says these articles need creation, Mark Hass has already been created and Russell Henderson is a redirect, with consensus being that murderers generally don't get their own article. William G. Higgs was simply listed in the Eagletter and founded a company that does not have an article either. Really, my edits were not disruptive. Reywas92 Talk 02:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Rlevse, I know you've done a lot of alumni FLs, but I'm not sure if ths one really needs to be converted into a table. The names are already in alphabetical order, so the only thing sortable is the the date. Already with Jay Zeamer, Jr. it seems the date he became an Eagle is unknown, and I'm sure the same is true with many others. There is nothing wrong with you taking the time to tableize the list, but I don't see it as a requirement. If you are going to continue, I suggest moving the DESA symbol from under the split Eagle Scout column to next to the name. Split columns don't always look very good. Cheers, Reywas92 Talk 02:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that The Doors' Jim Morrison was an eagle scout, but I can't find a reference. Eagleapex ( talk) 16:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm doing a little work on the article for Medal of Honor recipient John L. Jerstad and I came across a couple sources which say he was an Eagle Scout. In this article, "his sister says" he was an Eagle Scout, and an offline source I have (The Wisconsin Magazine of History) says "according to his mother" he was an Eagle Scout. It is possible his family was mistaken, so is there some official list that could verify whether he really was an Eagle Scout? — jwillbur 00:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Now that NESA has an online directory on their web site and we can verify the date of any and all Eagle Scouts (i.e. Dan Beard 1915) are we able to use that as a reference source. It is not avialable to the public and therefor I'm not sure we can cite it. -- Jdurbach ( talk) 16:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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Bring the images back. Really. -- evrik ( talk) 04:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Glen McLaughlin -- evrik ( talk) 05:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Joseph Patrick Hart is an eagle, I found a ref, here, added him to the needs article list linked here on the talk page, but he needs an article. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Houston Mayor Annise Parker appointed a transgender, the first in Texas, as a judge. Normally, I would have forgotten about the article, but she was an Eagle Scout. While Phyliss Frye isn't notable otherwise, I'd thought I'd bring it up here to see if there was enough of a consensus that she is notable enough to be included.-- Hourick ( talk) 19:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
There should be a complete list of Eagle Scouts featured in On the Trail to Eagle Scout in Boy's Life Magazine. Are there any objections to that idea? The Mysterious El Willstro ( talk) 07:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, Gadget850, this is an exact quote from WP:Notability. "These notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not directly limit the content of an article or list." This quote proves that it is the list in general that 1st and foremost must be notable, and so your concern for the notability of individual members, apart from that of (in this case) the magazine segment on which the list is based, is misplaced. The Mysterious El Willstro ( talk) 20:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I am unclear what is being suggested. Is it:-
I do not support (1) as the entries there have to have their own article or the list would get out of hand. I suspect (2) would not survive AfD as being non-notable. (3) should be discussed on the talk page of that article. -- Bduke (Discussion) 22:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Now that featured lists are on the main page on Mondays, I am going to propose this for August 21, 1912 to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Eagle Scout Award. We need to fill out the following template and choose a representative image. This is a sample. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Eagle Scout is the highest rank attainable in the Boy Scouting program division of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA). Since it was first awarded in 1912, Eagle Scout has been earned by more than two million young men. The title of Eagle Scout is held for life, thus giving rise to the phrase "Once an Eagle, always an Eagle".
As of 2012, requirements include earning at least 21 merit badges, and demonstrating Scout Spirit, leadership and service and performing an Eagle Scout Service Project. Eagle Scouts are recognized with a medal and badge that visibly recognizes the accomplishments of the Scout. Eagle Palms are a further recognition, awarded for completing additional tenure, leadership and merit badge requirements. ( Full list...)
Wikipedia:Today's featured list/submissions#List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America). ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Approved for August 20. Wikipedia:Today's featured list/August 20, 2012 ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
The quality of this list has declined. Many questions refs and sloppy formatting have crept in over time. It's a big task for just one editor to keep up with. I will fixing the formatting issues and removing shaky refs and the people that the correspond to. PumpkinSky talk 20:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
There are TEN who have both awards. I have not found one source that lists all ten. I'll fix the wiki articles. This is counting Murray, who was never actually an Eagle but was given an honorary DESA for a reason I have not yet figured out. PumpkinSky talk 22:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't find anything reliable saying he was an honorary DESA, though it's on his facebook and Arlington pages. Lots of Arlington stuff is good info, but I don't trust this one. BUT in this Congressional Record it says he made Eagle in Wilmington in 1934. I suggest we list him only as Eagle and not a DESA til better info is found. PumpkinSky talk 12:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Here it the reply from National:
I couldn’t find a Charles P. Murray, Jr. in the Eagle database, so I checked the DESA database and couldn’t find him there either.
If he’s an Eagle Scout, someone would need to provide proof, because we do not have him in the records at national unless he went by a nickname or middle name at the time?
I’ve been in NESA for 15 years and we’ve never awarded an honorary DESA during that time. I haven’t found any reference in the NESA material to indicate that that’s ever been done, although we never know what councils might be creating and awarding out in the field. The DESA is a national award, so councils can’t award an honorary rank, although things like that happen all the time. We’ve had to contact a few councils over the years and ask them to stop awarding honorary Eagle ranks. There is no honorary Eagle rank, either.
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
These entries are marked as DESA and use the DESA ref, but are not on the master list:
Other
We have a lot of entries with only the DESA ref, but no notability ref. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
It was fairly evident once I read through the list, and obvious once I clicked edit; however, the opening of the list is not very clear on who belongs. As a reader, my initial assumption was that every Eagle Scout who ever lived would be listed here. Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
This is probably asked above, but if we're only going to list certain (notable, I assume?) Eagle Scouts, why isn't this made clear in the introduction to the article? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:05, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
So it appears like a number of Eagle Scouts have returned their awards after various controversies. A reader left feedback requesting a list of those who have returned their award. Do we know if any notable recipients have returned their award? Ryan Vesey 02:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved, Notable not advised in titles and not required here. Inclusion criteria limiting list entries to persons with WP articles is sufficient. Mike Cline ( talk) 18:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
List of Eagle Scouts →
List of notable Eagle Scouts – Having argued this point, I am making this request based on
this feedback.
MOS:LIST requires that a list define its requirements. I feel that in this situation, it would be easier to reformat the title to reflect the scope of the list rather than placing a message in the list itself to limit the scope. A message within the list will probably appear out of place.
Ryan
Vesey
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At the 2013 National Scouting Jamboree, the Scouting Alumni Association was handing out a pamphlet titled Famous Scouting Alumni. The pamphlet has short biographies of various people associated with the BSA. I have only skimmed through this, but the bios of Walter Cronkite and Henry Fonda both show them as Eagle Scouts- both of which we debunked. -- Gadget850 talk 12:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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Arthur Shelton, I have to say, is the first Eagle Scout I have ever heard and his actions provide an interesting perspective of how Eagle Scouts should be viewed (as not all scouts are good). More info of his actions are listed here: http://www.parallelpac.org/murder.htm. I can say that he is a very notable Eagle scout. I had never heard of Eagle Scouts until I read that article. 74.103.8.249 19:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Not all Eagle Scouts are notable and not all murderers are notable. Add the two and they are still not notable. There is a list on Rotten.com. Several cannot be verified one way or the other and the others like Altstadt just aren't notable. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone feel this entry would not be notable?
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There is a website for the book. Suggest that the reference link be changed. [1] -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
He may not make notability, but Kevin Sterne was the young man whose photo was on the front pages as he was carried out of Norris Hall at Virginia Tech. He saved his own life when he applied a tourniquet fashioned from an electrical cord after he was shot through the femoral artery. [2] -- Gadget850 ( Ed)
Should Daniel Carter Beard be considered an Eagle Scout? He was awarded a gold Eagle Scout badge in 1922. Peterson's The Boy Scouts: An American Adventure has a photo on page 27 of Dan Bead and B-P. This was taken in 1937 and shows both of them wearing the Silver Buffalo and "Uncle Dan" is quite clearly wearing an Eagle Scout badge. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
He is not an Eagle Scout, see [3] and two separate threads on his talk page of his article. Rlevse 22:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Randy,
Thank you for contacting the Romney for President Campaign. Governor Romney has been involved in Boy Scouts; however he is not an Eagle Scout.
Again, thank you for your interest. Please feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions/comments regarding Governor Romney.
Sincerely,
Sarah
Romney for President Rlevse 10:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I added Prof. Lee R. Berger to the list of notable scouts and he was subsequently deleted. He is an explorer for National Geographic and the Reader in Human Evolution and the Public Understanding of Science at the University of the Witwatersrand. He won the Honor Medal for saving a life from the Boy Scouts of America. You can see his web site at www.profleeberger.com I believe he should be included.
Gladysvale 12:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The citation you added has no mention of Eagle Scout. I tagged the entry pending a proper reference.-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I almost give up but not quite - I thought I had a proper reference!!! He is also listed in Wikepedia under Lee R. Berger (which I highlighted) and is noted as an eagle and honor medal winner. What did I do wrong that got the listing eliminated as "no citation" - I'm not clear - help!!!
Gladysvale 15:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Found a proper reference from his article and added him to the list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Jon Powers is an Eagle Scout according to his site. [5] Unfortunately, there is not much left of his article after I chopped out the material copied directly from news articles. I suggest we wait and see how this article plays out. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The article on James Dale was recently deleted and redirect to Boy Scouts of America v. Dale. Per the guidelines, article deletion means removal form the list. Any discussion? -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's a new article on Walter Hart, an 88-year-old WWII veteran who was just honored as an Eagle Scout. Quite interesting; I wonder if he might be considered notable enough to include on this list, though he doesn't have a wikipedia article as of yet. Dr. Cash 04:37, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
If we wanted to include the "oldest known person" to actually *earn* Eagle, then it would be Eugene Cheatham. As I understand it Paige and Hart had earned Eagle as youths, but simply had not been presented the award; Cheatham had to go though the board of review that he had missed as a youth. While the length of time is unusual for Paige and Hart, many Eagle Scouts have a court of honor well after earning Eagle. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
The Spielberg description including his criticism of BSA's discriminatory membership practices was documented and sourced and cannot be removed just because it is unfavorable towards BSA. I am placeing it back in his description. Lasalle202 03:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
If the three of you are in such advert agreement, then it appears your mind accepts the premise. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
At four to one, your team has the lead. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
http://www.rotten.com/library/culture/eagle-scouts/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.50 ( talk) 16:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone given any consideration to the youngest Eagle Scout? I have heard that NESA/BSA does not support the finding of the youngest Eagle Scout in history. Perhaps the more reasonable title is the youngest "known" Eagle Scout. Has the Guinness Book of World Records recognized this honor? There seem to be so many claims of who is/was the youngest. I think this is a title that people are more curious about than the list of "most famous Eagle Scouts." [1] MATTEOCHAN
You're right, there's no way to verify that. I personally know people that made it at just shy of 13 years old. BSA doesn't track by race either. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Correct. Unless there was documentation provided for the "youngest documented" - which might be outside the scope of this wikiProject. I thought is was worth a try, since I was 11 years, 7 months. Hard to beat. Matteochan ( talk) 00:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Can you give me a timeline on that? Under the current system, you'd have be at most 10 y 7 m at Star and since you can't join prior to 10 y 6 mos... — Rlevse • Talk • 00:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem. One of the things that helped me was that I attained Arrow of Light at around 9 years, 8 months. I checked all the dates in my Scout book. Born July 28, 1982. Became a Boy Scout June 11, 1992 (9 years, 10 months, 15 days). Tenderfoot / 2nd Class attained 12 August 1992 (two boards in the same night, 10 years, 16 days). 1st Class attained: 9 September 1992 (10 years, 1 month, 13 days). Star attained: January 14, 1993 (10 years, 6 months, 14 days). Life attained August 11, 1993 (11 years, 15 days). Attained Eagle: March 16, 1994 (11 years, 7 months, 17 days). 75.71.10.14 ( talk) 12:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
While cleaning up references, I am finding a few dead links. I am marking these with {{ dead link}} until we can get them fixed. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Should the lead-in be changed to indicate that the list also includes people who were notable prior to becoming eagle scouts (eg. Henry Nicols)? meamemg 01:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't care which name we use. The problem is that drive-by editors change the name and don't bother to clean up. Here are the problems with the recent rename to List of notable Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America):
Arguments for either name:
When either of two styles is acceptable, it is inappropriate for an editor to change an article from one style to another unless there is a substantial reason to do so. . . If an article has been stable in a given style, it should not be converted without a reason that goes beyond mere choice of style.
The list was just renamed in November and I had to do a bunch of cleanup and now we are at it again. When we decide which name to lock down, we need to ask that the other be protected so we can stop this foolishness. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Discuss:
The guideline says not to use "notable" in list titles a they perforce must be notable to be on the list. I'll rename it back to without the "notable" and fix links I find. Let me know if I miss something. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to enter this conversation. The fact that the title does not say notable, it is indeed implying that the list is of all Eagle Scouts, which is not true. Now the guideline may say that all lists are notable (it would be very easy to argue that point though on wikipedia) so therefore a list title does not need to include "notable." However, it dosent seem any of you knew that until you looked up the guidelines. How many general wikipedia users (ie people that come here to gather information only) know that? I can sum it up for you, right around none of them. I am sort of new to the whole wikipedia editing thing, in fact Ive never editted anything, and at this point on make suggestions and such in discussion pages until I laern all the rules. But it seems like many "editors" have lost touch with common "readers" in that they assume the "readers" know all of the rules, when in fact many editors dont even know all the rules. Not even sure if it is possible for one person to know all the rules. So a "reader" would see this list, and in they didnt read the opening paragraphs, would never know that is was a noteable only list. Especially since the list already has a special designation for Distinguished Eagle Scouts. So guideline or no guideline, I think "notable" should be in the title. If it is not to be included in the title, than the first sentance should include an explaination before going into what an Eagle Scout is, which is actually here yet redundant to the Eagle Scout page. Xcalibur27 ( talk) 20:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC) (Eagle Scout)
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First, there is a clear consensus that simply being a contestant on Survivor does not make one notable, removing Burton Roberts. As it says these articles need creation, Mark Hass has already been created and Russell Henderson is a redirect, with consensus being that murderers generally don't get their own article. William G. Higgs was simply listed in the Eagletter and founded a company that does not have an article either. Really, my edits were not disruptive. Reywas92 Talk 02:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Rlevse, I know you've done a lot of alumni FLs, but I'm not sure if ths one really needs to be converted into a table. The names are already in alphabetical order, so the only thing sortable is the the date. Already with Jay Zeamer, Jr. it seems the date he became an Eagle is unknown, and I'm sure the same is true with many others. There is nothing wrong with you taking the time to tableize the list, but I don't see it as a requirement. If you are going to continue, I suggest moving the DESA symbol from under the split Eagle Scout column to next to the name. Split columns don't always look very good. Cheers, Reywas92 Talk 02:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I've heard that The Doors' Jim Morrison was an eagle scout, but I can't find a reference. Eagleapex ( talk) 16:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm doing a little work on the article for Medal of Honor recipient John L. Jerstad and I came across a couple sources which say he was an Eagle Scout. In this article, "his sister says" he was an Eagle Scout, and an offline source I have (The Wisconsin Magazine of History) says "according to his mother" he was an Eagle Scout. It is possible his family was mistaken, so is there some official list that could verify whether he really was an Eagle Scout? — jwillbur 00:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Now that NESA has an online directory on their web site and we can verify the date of any and all Eagle Scouts (i.e. Dan Beard 1915) are we able to use that as a reference source. It is not avialable to the public and therefor I'm not sure we can cite it. -- Jdurbach ( talk) 16:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
-- evrik ( talk) 20:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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NESA has emailed us to inform us that Wynton Marsalis is not, according to their records, an "Eagle Scout". |
Bring the images back. Really. -- evrik ( talk) 04:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Glen McLaughlin -- evrik ( talk) 05:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Joseph Patrick Hart is an eagle, I found a ref, here, added him to the needs article list linked here on the talk page, but he needs an article. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Houston Mayor Annise Parker appointed a transgender, the first in Texas, as a judge. Normally, I would have forgotten about the article, but she was an Eagle Scout. While Phyliss Frye isn't notable otherwise, I'd thought I'd bring it up here to see if there was enough of a consensus that she is notable enough to be included.-- Hourick ( talk) 19:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
There should be a complete list of Eagle Scouts featured in On the Trail to Eagle Scout in Boy's Life Magazine. Are there any objections to that idea? The Mysterious El Willstro ( talk) 07:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, Gadget850, this is an exact quote from WP:Notability. "These notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not directly limit the content of an article or list." This quote proves that it is the list in general that 1st and foremost must be notable, and so your concern for the notability of individual members, apart from that of (in this case) the magazine segment on which the list is based, is misplaced. The Mysterious El Willstro ( talk) 20:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I am unclear what is being suggested. Is it:-
I do not support (1) as the entries there have to have their own article or the list would get out of hand. I suspect (2) would not survive AfD as being non-notable. (3) should be discussed on the talk page of that article. -- Bduke (Discussion) 22:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Now that featured lists are on the main page on Mondays, I am going to propose this for August 21, 1912 to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Eagle Scout Award. We need to fill out the following template and choose a representative image. This is a sample. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Eagle Scout is the highest rank attainable in the Boy Scouting program division of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA). Since it was first awarded in 1912, Eagle Scout has been earned by more than two million young men. The title of Eagle Scout is held for life, thus giving rise to the phrase "Once an Eagle, always an Eagle".
As of 2012, requirements include earning at least 21 merit badges, and demonstrating Scout Spirit, leadership and service and performing an Eagle Scout Service Project. Eagle Scouts are recognized with a medal and badge that visibly recognizes the accomplishments of the Scout. Eagle Palms are a further recognition, awarded for completing additional tenure, leadership and merit badge requirements. ( Full list...)
Wikipedia:Today's featured list/submissions#List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America). ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Approved for August 20. Wikipedia:Today's featured list/August 20, 2012 ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
The quality of this list has declined. Many questions refs and sloppy formatting have crept in over time. It's a big task for just one editor to keep up with. I will fixing the formatting issues and removing shaky refs and the people that the correspond to. PumpkinSky talk 20:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
There are TEN who have both awards. I have not found one source that lists all ten. I'll fix the wiki articles. This is counting Murray, who was never actually an Eagle but was given an honorary DESA for a reason I have not yet figured out. PumpkinSky talk 22:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't find anything reliable saying he was an honorary DESA, though it's on his facebook and Arlington pages. Lots of Arlington stuff is good info, but I don't trust this one. BUT in this Congressional Record it says he made Eagle in Wilmington in 1934. I suggest we list him only as Eagle and not a DESA til better info is found. PumpkinSky talk 12:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Here it the reply from National:
I couldn’t find a Charles P. Murray, Jr. in the Eagle database, so I checked the DESA database and couldn’t find him there either.
If he’s an Eagle Scout, someone would need to provide proof, because we do not have him in the records at national unless he went by a nickname or middle name at the time?
I’ve been in NESA for 15 years and we’ve never awarded an honorary DESA during that time. I haven’t found any reference in the NESA material to indicate that that’s ever been done, although we never know what councils might be creating and awarding out in the field. The DESA is a national award, so councils can’t award an honorary rank, although things like that happen all the time. We’ve had to contact a few councils over the years and ask them to stop awarding honorary Eagle ranks. There is no honorary Eagle rank, either.
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
These entries are marked as DESA and use the DESA ref, but are not on the master list:
Other
We have a lot of entries with only the DESA ref, but no notability ref. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
It was fairly evident once I read through the list, and obvious once I clicked edit; however, the opening of the list is not very clear on who belongs. As a reader, my initial assumption was that every Eagle Scout who ever lived would be listed here. Ryan Vesey Review me! 16:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
This is probably asked above, but if we're only going to list certain (notable, I assume?) Eagle Scouts, why isn't this made clear in the introduction to the article? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:05, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
So it appears like a number of Eagle Scouts have returned their awards after various controversies. A reader left feedback requesting a list of those who have returned their award. Do we know if any notable recipients have returned their award? Ryan Vesey 02:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved, Notable not advised in titles and not required here. Inclusion criteria limiting list entries to persons with WP articles is sufficient. Mike Cline ( talk) 18:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
List of Eagle Scouts →
List of notable Eagle Scouts – Having argued this point, I am making this request based on
this feedback.
MOS:LIST requires that a list define its requirements. I feel that in this situation, it would be easier to reformat the title to reflect the scope of the list rather than placing a message in the list itself to limit the scope. A message within the list will probably appear out of place.
Ryan
Vesey
00:49, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
At the 2013 National Scouting Jamboree, the Scouting Alumni Association was handing out a pamphlet titled Famous Scouting Alumni. The pamphlet has short biographies of various people associated with the BSA. I have only skimmed through this, but the bios of Walter Cronkite and Henry Fonda both show them as Eagle Scouts- both of which we debunked. -- Gadget850 talk 12:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)