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based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions, this list should be moved to List of Eagle Scouts. Gentgeen 06:03, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
To quote Eagle scout:
Therefore, the killers can not be removed from the list and can not have their Eagle status revoked, as this conflicts with the Boy Scouts of America's rules. Segekihei 01:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm making sure that everyone on the list who has a Wiki article has the fact that they are an Eagle Scout in their write and have the Eagle Scout category on their page. Rlevse 11:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I just finished fixing the articles that linked to Eagle Scout, changing them to Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America): these pages will now show up from what links here on the Eagle scout rank (Boy Scouts of America) page.
I also made minor changes where the article stated "former Eagle Scout".
I also added the tag for Eagle Scout category for pages that did not have them.
I also fixed SMS (comics) to link to Eagle Awards (a UK comic book award) instead of Eagle Award (a redirect to Eagle Scout). -- Gadget850 12:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Eagle scout and
Eagle Award now do not have any incoming links: I am going to submit these for deletion. --
Gadget850 12:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC) No, I'm not. Per
Redirects for deletion they don't need to be deleted. --
Gadget850
03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Now that I finished fixing the dabs, a number of people now show up from what links here. I have added all the new ones except McMahon, -- Gadget850 03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that this will do absolutely zero good, but I think that this page should be protected. The page has been vandalized several times in the last month or so, presumably by the same user using different IPs/usernames... Segekihei 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've just reverted the edits by User:Sisterina. I've re-added the removed names (I'm sorry, but they were given the title Eagle Scout before going on to do the things they did), and removed the added names as neither appears to be notable ("Alvin Joseph Michael Reed" returns 3 hits from Google, and "Finis White" returns 41, most of which appear to be geneology material). -- Sillydragon 05:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gentlemen, Please note that anon vandal 71.143.6.66 among his other similar aliases is repeatedly vandalizing this page and making unsubstantiated, unsourced entries. I respectfully inform you. CantStandYa 04:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately he can't be banned because it appears he is using an anonymizer to generate new IP addresses. CantStandYa 05:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
It might be useful to have a list on this page as well of people who are rumored to be Eagle Scouts but aren't -- the ones listed in the above-referenced rotten.com article (Manson, Bill Gates, Oliver North, G. Gordon Liddy) for starters. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:00, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Along this line, I've found sources that indicate Hank Aaron wasn't an Eagle Scout. However, official website of the BSA lists him as a Silver Buffalo and he has appeard on a stamp honoring scouting. Is there a chance someone mistook these accomplishments as signs he was an eagle scout? Eaglescout1984 04:58, 05 August 2005 (GMT)
I did a bit of formatting to split this into a separate heading, adn forced the TOC so it would be visible. (Thanks Habap for fixing that stub) -- Gadget850 20:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I've heard multiple times that Bundy was an Eagle Scout. I'm currently looking for a reputable source supporting this. Worldtravller 19:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed Charles Manson since I don't think he ever was an Eagle Scout and was added as a slashdot prank.
If we can find (credible) evidence that he completed his scout training, I'm all for adding him back in. -- Amoore 16:24, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I saw so much conflicting info on whether these three people were Eagle Scouts, that I finally sent a letter to NESA about it. Terry Lawson, of Eagle Scout Services, NESA, BSA responded to me in a letter dated 09 June 2005 that these men are NOT Eagle Scouts, so please stop putting them in the list (they should be in the "incorrectly regarded as" list. Re: Fonda, he was a Scout and a Scoutmaster, but not an Eagle Scout (and yes, I know his daughter, Jane, incorrectly states his is one of us in her book). I also know Jimmy Stewart was a strong supporter of Scouting too--I think he was a Scout himself. As for Cronkite, I don't know if he supported Scouting or was a Scout. Bottom line is, NESA says they weren't Eagle Scouts, and that's what we should go with--that's what I'd call an official source, not books or web pages. If anyone would like to have a scan of this, leave a msg on my talk page on how to send it to you. Rlevse 16:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Good work. As a supporting document, it might belong on WikiSource. Yes, Stewart was a Scout and a Scouter, but not an Eagle.-- Gadget850 17:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, Gadget850. I've put it up on [1] in an article called "Erroneous Eagle Scouts". It's also on my user page there (also Rlevse). The article also mentions Michael Moore. Rlevse 23:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I fixed the link for Jim Rogers. It was pointing to a Jim Rogers b. 1942 (too old for our guy) and had a middle initial of "B". Our Jim Rogers was b. abt 1950 (Eagle in 1965) and has a middle initial of "D". As it's a common name, wiki probably needs a disambiguation page for it. Rlevse 14:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a revert war going on about wheter some people should be listed as "Mormon Eagle Scouts" or not. Perhaps if Mormonism is so important and fundamental to Eagle Scouting, those scouts should be moved to List of Mormon Eagle Scouts. (yeah, I'm kidding.) Is there a good WP policy that pertains here? -- Amoore 01:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Mormon Eagle don't always even want to be in the BSA.
grazon 08:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
The Snoopy entry was bugging me, but I did not have the heart to kill it. When I found out that Archer was an Eagle, I created the new section. I was a bit ambivalent about it at first, but they do pass the notability test. -- Gadget850 01:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Indiana Jones - From the article on The Last Crusade:
I'm not sure how to best word the Harison Ford entry and the Indiana Jones entry to best get this across. Also, in the movie he is a Life Scout but that dosen't mean the character never reached Eagle. -- L1AM 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Listed in fictional section because he was called an Eagle Scout in the series (see footnote in article); note: although technically, as a Brit, he should either be a King Scout or a Queen Scout depending on the reigning monarch in that future--but that presupposes that system in still place in the future, they all may have changed to Eagle Scouts in the future. Also, he could also have dual citizenship. Also, keep in mind this is in TV/Movie land and they don't always get everything right-;) Rlevse 17:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I've created List of Distinguished Eagle Scout Award recipients, with a redirect from Distinguished Eagle Scouts, along with a Category:Distinguished Eagle Scouts. I'll be working these while adding with this list, to get them all up to date and linked, along with recipient bios. Rlevse 16:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Instead of trying to develop our own criteria for notability, I propose that we follow the Notability guidelines. Thus, if the Eagle Scout is notable enough to rate a WP article, they are notable enough for this list. Hopefully, this should resolve some of the controversy we have seen over certain individuals.
If however, the individual does not rate a WP article, then the article should be sumbitted to Articles for deletion. If the article is deleted, then that individual should be removed from the list.
In consideration of this:
Proposed guideline:
NOTE:Requirements codified and placed at top of page. Rlevse 16:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
suing a famous group does not make one famous.
Yes but he wasn't famous before the lawsuit and he lost so it isn't a landmark case.
grazon 15:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Percy's name is found on multiple generic lists of Eagle Scouts.
grazon 18:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
good idea.
grazon 18:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I like "litigant": it's a bit more NPOV and it might pacify some of the deletists (or maybe not). -- Gadget850 20:45, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Currently, his entry reads:
Recently, an anonymous user, 155.84.57.253, has been removing the reference to his mother. Since his being noteworthy rests entirely on his mother's actions, it is my opinion that including her in his entry on the list is entirely appropriate. Any challenges to this need to be discussed here before altering his entry. Thesquire 02:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
People should be here on their own merit (or notoriety), not because his son is a billionare (Gates) or because his mother is politically active. Both Gates and Sheehan should be dropped from the list. CantStandYa 03:51, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Just to give you my point of view: I am a combat veteran of the 1991 Gulf War, some of my soldiers died in combat, and one of my former scouts died in Iraq this past spring. -- Gadget850 14:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Casey Sheehan is not newsworthy, his mom is. If we added all the Eagle Scouts who died in combat, we'd have hundreds of pages. He would belong on any list of war dead, but he is not famous. Rlevse 20:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC) PS: However, since there is a Wiki article on him, I went and added the Eagle Scout category to his article, which no one had yet done. Rlevse 02:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
There is obviously a big split on whether on not to include Casey on this list. I see absolutely no consensus on the issue whatsoever. Since when does being the son of a newsworthy person make you famous and noteworthy yourself? I find it quite interesting that Femoyer, an Eagle Scout who was awarded the Medal of Honor, is not on this list and this discussion/adding/removal over Sheehan goes on. I find the criteria for including him shakey at best. No one has previously added Femoyer (one of only two known Eagles to receive the MOH), but Casey is inclued because of his mom? BTW, I'll add Femoyer when I get to the "F" section. The other Eagle Scout MOH recipient is Paige. Rlevse 13:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC) PS: I correct myself, there are three known Eagle Scout MOH recipients: Eugene Fluckey is the other one. Rlevse 00:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Femoyer and Paige were on my todo list: go ahead and add them. I believe that if an individual meets the notability criteria to have a WP article, then they are notable enough for the Eagle list. I've been checking the "what links here": my last several additions were from that and from the redirects. -- Gadget850 15:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I am uncomfortable with political candidates being listed on the page. Does candidacy alone make someone notable? evrik 21:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
See the inclusion guidelines at the top of this page and see Wikipedia:Notability (people). If you feel that the articles for Fawcett and Filson are not notable, then by all means recommend the articles for deletion. Lesh does meet the Google test [4] for notability. We had reached a concensus some time back to use the WP standards: this keeps our hands clean regardless of individual POV. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://users.aol.com/randywoo/bsahis/famous.htm
Nothing new there: I compared it long ago. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
deleted Anthony P. Marzocca: This entry will be removed on 16 Feb 2006 if a citation is not provided. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in this article. Please format your footnotes per the page standard. Ferguson looks like he may meet the criteria for inclusion (see top of the talk page), but Emma appears not to. Please provide more info on Emma or he will be deleted. You may want to get an account and write Wiki articles on them too. Rlevse 11:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I just added Edgar Cunningham (first black Eagle Scout) and Alexander Holsinger (one millionth Eagle Scout). I also removed Randall Newton because the didn't meet that inclusion criteria. I'd also like to propose that instead of just putting "John Doe, athlete (baseball)" the team the person played for, the position they played or anything else a little more specific. (See Albery Belle or William Bradley on list) Also instead of just "astronaut" the flights they were on might also be included i.e. Apollo 11, etc. Worldtravller 19:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that we NOT use lists such as The Congress and Scouting as the cite. Even though this particular list is from BSA, I have my doubts about some on it, such as Gordon Smith. If a politician's web site [6] does not show him as an Eagle Scout and DESA then I have my doubts.
Also: Cites should be added ONLY for red-link individuals. If that person has an article, the cite should go in the article. Adding cites here for everyone is going to get huge. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Upon reflection, I don't think we should have those lists in the references section. I know some of them are inaccurate (Hank Aaron is on many of them). Perhaps they should be moved to the talk page as a starting reference. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Every DESA through Dec 31, 2002 is verifiable with my page at: [7], which I built from an official BSA hardcopy from Terry Lawson. I have a few awarded after 2002 listed too. So, we can easily verify all but the most recent awardees. I agree with Gadget850, let's only use external links if they don't have an article. If we have an external link, let's list it on his article page, not here, otherwise our refs will be unmanageable. Also, make sure the link numbers in the "incorrectly regarded as" section stay updated. Rlevse 21:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
To sum up:
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
When the page gets redone, I would advocate using some sort of op.cit reference, or pattern the references after those now being used in the Incorrectly regarded as Eagle Scout section. evrik 21:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
PS: I'm putting the official BSA list(s) in the References section, as evrik has a good point there. Rlevse 02:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled onto NNDB.com, a relational database of noteworthy names. One of the items you can select on is Eagle Scout [8]. I've found a number of people on this list that are not on the WP Eagle list. I just need to verify the veracity of Eagle and see if they have a WP article. As usual, there are some inaccuracies, for example, Walter Cronkite is listed (I submitted an update). -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's why this is last list I am hitting. Everything gets independent verification. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I just did a quick tour: current BSA people categories are:
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone else looked at the site Rotten dot com? There are several people on the list whjo aren't on the wiki list. evrik 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I would like to update the guidelines. I went through the current version and clarified and codified several items. Please review the proposal and discuss here. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Ooops. Forgot the Lawson note. I'll add that in. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC) added -- Gadget850 ( Ed)
Done. Recommend that this be adapted to the other lists.-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Jack Bowen, The Dream Weaver : One Boy's Journey through the Landscape of Reality
Well, he seems to meet the notability criteria. Can it be confirmed that he is an Eagle Scout? -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this entry
I don't think it passes the notability test.
-- evrik 18:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
While I agree on the notability (and given the editor's name it smacks of vanity), we shouldn't delete it right off. Per our guidelines above we should tag it and give some time for development. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Will be deleted in two days if proof of notability not submitted. Rlevse 18:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is a boilerplate message to advise editors of a request for cite. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Very nice, Ed. I made a few tweaks. Rlevse 21:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
This one is legit. His real name is William Henry Keeler, Cardinal is his title in the Catholic Church. He is also a DESA. Found him on my own/BSA DESA list and several web hits, easily verifiable as the person listed him on the DESA list too. See Church page on Keeler and other web sites, such as mine own. Rlevse 20:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
With a modicum of work, this could be a featured list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I've been working a new layout for this article. Please take a look at User:Gadget850/Sandbox2 and let me know your thoughts. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Please note that this is more than just converting to a table format. I have also updated and cleaned up the descriptions. I removed a lot of US or United States references that I felt were redundant, since the topic implicitly implies the US. The only down side is that the table format will be confusing to a novice editor, but we should be able to work that. BTW: Each table has a hidden comment that may help new editors. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. I updated the "E" section, keeping it as a bullet list. I made the eagle a bit smaller so as not to mess up the line spacing. Would it be better with the eagle to the left of the name? I also added (deceased) to some entries- do we want to do this? -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Check the tables again for that size issue: I removed the width from the description column. On deceased: use (deceased), use the years (1946–1984) or use the genealogy symbol, a square with a slash [9]. Upon reflection, I will add US back for entries such as US senator vs. state senator. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to get a consensus on this, please. A table format like User:Gadget850/Sandbox2 or a list format as it is now. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Vote table or list:
Presuming that Wim would have voted for list, I'm closing the vote. With no consensus, I'm going to go with enchanced list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The biggest change is in the use of the gold eagle instead of the DESA text and the addition of a few thumbnails. I have also gone through and updated each entry, as several had aged and were no longer quite correct. I would like some feedback on this, so let me know what you thing. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
As each section is edited, I am adding a comment at the top:
Please see the requirements listed on the talk page before editing. Entries that do not meet these requirements are subject to removal.
I don't know if it will help, but it is probably more noticeable than the note that was at the top. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Formatting:
1. Gold Eagle image if DESA, space 2. name 3. space (deceased) if dead 4. semicolon; 5. Description sentence: First letter cap, end with period. Wikify, but don't repeat previous links.
Rlevse 14:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC) & Gadget850
While going through this, I have gone through each article and have updated the list entry to match. I have also noted the following issues:
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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I just went through the Eagle Scout and DESA categories and matched them to the list. Several articles have the Eagle cat but are missing from the list- I have noted these above so that they can be verified. I fixed a number of cats where the name was mispelled or some similar error. I added the cats to several articles that where they were missing. Sam Skinner has two articles- I switched the list to the better one and tagged both articles for a merge.
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Charles Manson is certainly a notable Eagle Scout, but every time he gets added here, he gets deleted. Therefore, the entire Wikipedia is a sham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.214.156.48 ( talk • contribs)
Do you have a cite such as a newspaper article? You may note that Russell Henderson and Charles Whitman are listed here as they have been verified. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
We have done a LOT of work on this article of late, and I would like to promote it to a featured list (FL). Some things we need to make this happen:
Please let me know your thoughts on this. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I investigated Chris Smith some time back. He is on the BSA and the Congress list (and the deprecated NNDB list), but I can't independntly verify that Chris Smith (US politician) is the one. He is on the list of possible Eagle Scouts that are unverified on the Investigated entries list. I welcome any citation that shows that he or some other Chris Smith in Congress is an Eagle Scout. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Here are some alternate photos we may want to consider using. -- evrik 20:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I do like this photo ... -- evrik 20:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
We also have to consider the image useage. For example, I once had the image for Wynton Marsalis up, but it is an album cover and is only allowed to be used in the article for the album (so technically it is wrong in the article on Marsalis). The Ferlinghetti image is nice, but I'm not sure the copyright tag allows use. The Reece image might be a use issue as well.
The Belle photo is from his arrest and it just doesn't grab me. Barry is not so much about controversy as it is about yet another guy in a suit. Government photos are fair use, but they are just so boring- we have a preponderance of suits and astronauts. I'm going to be rather busy today, so I might not get to this speedily. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I added Bluford- at least it is different. Ditto for Rivera. I changed the A and B sections to 90 px to match the rest of the list. I would like to save some space for Cunningham when we get a photo. We could probably squeeze in another D, F and H. I really do think that images in the Incorrectly Regarded section removes focus on the article. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I was going to move it to the pop culture page, but you got there first :-) The problem is that IJ is not an Eagle Scout, but the use of the photo (cool photo BTW) looses that focus. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to go on and remove the IJ pic. Some of the photos are off a bit by section, but I don't see that as a problem. I wish Ozzie Nelson had a proper photo, but his article uses an album cover.
I need to go through this and check grammar and the like, but I am not going to have time. I have to go out of town on business through at least Wednesday. I would rather wait until I get back to put this up for FL as I will be better able to edit and defend it.
A question on the name: leave it as is, or change it to "List of notable Eagle Scouts". -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure if this argument as arisen yet, but I think that the article should be named List of notable Eagle Scouts. With its current name, it should include non-notable Eagle Scouts which, as I see, is not the purpose. This would avoid confusion (if any) and be a more accurate title for its purpose. J.Steinbock 19:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Propose this article be renamed to "List of notable Eagle Scouts" as it more cleary defines the scope of the list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Done Checking redirects. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't like the gold dots. I like the gold eagles much better. Rlevse 17:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on it. Resizing the current image is not going to work well. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is the big job: Each entry needs a citation. See List of Telecaster players for an example. Many of the cites are going to be reused. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I really need help on the entries marked citation needed. I am trying for an independednt cite and I;m just not getting any good hits. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The ones I have tagged do not have a cite in the article and I could not find one with a quick search. A lot of searches pull up derivitaves of WP articles or any number of the questionalble lists. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
For ones we can't find refs for, we need to move to talk page's "Potential entries requiring investigation" section. Rlevse 12:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to move the uncited entries to the investigate list until we can get more information. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
We now are down to cites for the non-Eagles. We really need Hank Aaron.
I have done some searching, and the only real reference for Harrison Ford either way is in this article! As I recall Hooks was only added because his article said he almost made Eagle and editors were adding him- his article no longer shows that. I'm going to remove them for now.
A cite for Charles Manson would be nice as well. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks like Rumsfeld is stepping down as SoD and Gates is nominated. I suggest we update the list after this has happened. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm considering a new layout. Take a look at sandbox2 for a draft. I did down through P just to get the idea. Instead of trying to fill things up, I'm going for a bit more balance. Frankly, a lot of the photos we have right now are so similar that there is not a lot of ocntrast. Just give me a yea or nay on this. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I think I'll leave it as is for now, Maybe we will revisit this later. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
"Only about 1 in 1,000 of all Eagle Scouts have been presented this prestigious award."
I removed this as it is rather misleading. There have been about 1.7 million Eagles Scouts and just under 1700 DESA- that does work out to 1 in 1000. But, Eagle was first awarded in 1912 and DESA in 1969, thus we should only count the number of Eagles since 1969. We would have to do some calculating, but I don't think it is a notable figure, as we have the actual numbers. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
We need a cite for this or it is going to have to go. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Done -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Disambiguate the title my moving to List of notable Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) Please oppose or support:
Given the support both here and on the FLC discussion, I am making the move and fixing redirects. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The NPOV tag was placed on this article by User:166.214.156.48. No reason was given. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Agree. I just want to document the issue and our reasoning. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I know that Al Gore is often cited as being an Eagle Scout in the press, for example here and here. I'm not sure if it's true, but I think it should definitely be added to either the correct or incorrect list. Kyle J Moore 19:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Folks should go on the list only if they show up on other lists incorrectly as an Eagle Scout or if there is a pesistent rumour about someone like Manson or Angelo. Hank Aaron fits this as he shows up on a number of those lists. Hooks was only on the list because his article used to say he almost made Eagle (that is gone now) and a couple of editors added him and someone moved him to the incorrect list. Otherwise, the thing could eat the article. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Kudos to Gadget850 and Rlevse on all the fine work on this article. I see it's up for Featured List, I'll vote for it. Sumoeagle179 02:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
WE MADE IT. Thanks to everyone who contributed! -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions, this list should be moved to List of Eagle Scouts. Gentgeen 06:03, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
To quote Eagle scout:
Therefore, the killers can not be removed from the list and can not have their Eagle status revoked, as this conflicts with the Boy Scouts of America's rules. Segekihei 01:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm making sure that everyone on the list who has a Wiki article has the fact that they are an Eagle Scout in their write and have the Eagle Scout category on their page. Rlevse 11:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I just finished fixing the articles that linked to Eagle Scout, changing them to Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America): these pages will now show up from what links here on the Eagle scout rank (Boy Scouts of America) page.
I also made minor changes where the article stated "former Eagle Scout".
I also added the tag for Eagle Scout category for pages that did not have them.
I also fixed SMS (comics) to link to Eagle Awards (a UK comic book award) instead of Eagle Award (a redirect to Eagle Scout). -- Gadget850 12:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Eagle scout and
Eagle Award now do not have any incoming links: I am going to submit these for deletion. --
Gadget850 12:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC) No, I'm not. Per
Redirects for deletion they don't need to be deleted. --
Gadget850
03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Now that I finished fixing the dabs, a number of people now show up from what links here. I have added all the new ones except McMahon, -- Gadget850 03:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that this will do absolutely zero good, but I think that this page should be protected. The page has been vandalized several times in the last month or so, presumably by the same user using different IPs/usernames... Segekihei 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've just reverted the edits by User:Sisterina. I've re-added the removed names (I'm sorry, but they were given the title Eagle Scout before going on to do the things they did), and removed the added names as neither appears to be notable ("Alvin Joseph Michael Reed" returns 3 hits from Google, and "Finis White" returns 41, most of which appear to be geneology material). -- Sillydragon 05:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gentlemen, Please note that anon vandal 71.143.6.66 among his other similar aliases is repeatedly vandalizing this page and making unsubstantiated, unsourced entries. I respectfully inform you. CantStandYa 04:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Unfortunately he can't be banned because it appears he is using an anonymizer to generate new IP addresses. CantStandYa 05:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
It might be useful to have a list on this page as well of people who are rumored to be Eagle Scouts but aren't -- the ones listed in the above-referenced rotten.com article (Manson, Bill Gates, Oliver North, G. Gordon Liddy) for starters. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:00, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Along this line, I've found sources that indicate Hank Aaron wasn't an Eagle Scout. However, official website of the BSA lists him as a Silver Buffalo and he has appeard on a stamp honoring scouting. Is there a chance someone mistook these accomplishments as signs he was an eagle scout? Eaglescout1984 04:58, 05 August 2005 (GMT)
I did a bit of formatting to split this into a separate heading, adn forced the TOC so it would be visible. (Thanks Habap for fixing that stub) -- Gadget850 20:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I've heard multiple times that Bundy was an Eagle Scout. I'm currently looking for a reputable source supporting this. Worldtravller 19:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed Charles Manson since I don't think he ever was an Eagle Scout and was added as a slashdot prank.
If we can find (credible) evidence that he completed his scout training, I'm all for adding him back in. -- Amoore 16:24, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
I saw so much conflicting info on whether these three people were Eagle Scouts, that I finally sent a letter to NESA about it. Terry Lawson, of Eagle Scout Services, NESA, BSA responded to me in a letter dated 09 June 2005 that these men are NOT Eagle Scouts, so please stop putting them in the list (they should be in the "incorrectly regarded as" list. Re: Fonda, he was a Scout and a Scoutmaster, but not an Eagle Scout (and yes, I know his daughter, Jane, incorrectly states his is one of us in her book). I also know Jimmy Stewart was a strong supporter of Scouting too--I think he was a Scout himself. As for Cronkite, I don't know if he supported Scouting or was a Scout. Bottom line is, NESA says they weren't Eagle Scouts, and that's what we should go with--that's what I'd call an official source, not books or web pages. If anyone would like to have a scan of this, leave a msg on my talk page on how to send it to you. Rlevse 16:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Good work. As a supporting document, it might belong on WikiSource. Yes, Stewart was a Scout and a Scouter, but not an Eagle.-- Gadget850 17:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, Gadget850. I've put it up on [1] in an article called "Erroneous Eagle Scouts". It's also on my user page there (also Rlevse). The article also mentions Michael Moore. Rlevse 23:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I fixed the link for Jim Rogers. It was pointing to a Jim Rogers b. 1942 (too old for our guy) and had a middle initial of "B". Our Jim Rogers was b. abt 1950 (Eagle in 1965) and has a middle initial of "D". As it's a common name, wiki probably needs a disambiguation page for it. Rlevse 14:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a revert war going on about wheter some people should be listed as "Mormon Eagle Scouts" or not. Perhaps if Mormonism is so important and fundamental to Eagle Scouting, those scouts should be moved to List of Mormon Eagle Scouts. (yeah, I'm kidding.) Is there a good WP policy that pertains here? -- Amoore 01:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Mormon Eagle don't always even want to be in the BSA.
grazon 08:51, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
The Snoopy entry was bugging me, but I did not have the heart to kill it. When I found out that Archer was an Eagle, I created the new section. I was a bit ambivalent about it at first, but they do pass the notability test. -- Gadget850 01:42, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Indiana Jones - From the article on The Last Crusade:
I'm not sure how to best word the Harison Ford entry and the Indiana Jones entry to best get this across. Also, in the movie he is a Life Scout but that dosen't mean the character never reached Eagle. -- L1AM 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Listed in fictional section because he was called an Eagle Scout in the series (see footnote in article); note: although technically, as a Brit, he should either be a King Scout or a Queen Scout depending on the reigning monarch in that future--but that presupposes that system in still place in the future, they all may have changed to Eagle Scouts in the future. Also, he could also have dual citizenship. Also, keep in mind this is in TV/Movie land and they don't always get everything right-;) Rlevse 17:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I've created List of Distinguished Eagle Scout Award recipients, with a redirect from Distinguished Eagle Scouts, along with a Category:Distinguished Eagle Scouts. I'll be working these while adding with this list, to get them all up to date and linked, along with recipient bios. Rlevse 16:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Instead of trying to develop our own criteria for notability, I propose that we follow the Notability guidelines. Thus, if the Eagle Scout is notable enough to rate a WP article, they are notable enough for this list. Hopefully, this should resolve some of the controversy we have seen over certain individuals.
If however, the individual does not rate a WP article, then the article should be sumbitted to Articles for deletion. If the article is deleted, then that individual should be removed from the list.
In consideration of this:
Proposed guideline:
NOTE:Requirements codified and placed at top of page. Rlevse 16:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
suing a famous group does not make one famous.
Yes but he wasn't famous before the lawsuit and he lost so it isn't a landmark case.
grazon 15:38, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Percy's name is found on multiple generic lists of Eagle Scouts.
grazon 18:04, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
good idea.
grazon 18:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I like "litigant": it's a bit more NPOV and it might pacify some of the deletists (or maybe not). -- Gadget850 20:45, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Currently, his entry reads:
Recently, an anonymous user, 155.84.57.253, has been removing the reference to his mother. Since his being noteworthy rests entirely on his mother's actions, it is my opinion that including her in his entry on the list is entirely appropriate. Any challenges to this need to be discussed here before altering his entry. Thesquire 02:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
People should be here on their own merit (or notoriety), not because his son is a billionare (Gates) or because his mother is politically active. Both Gates and Sheehan should be dropped from the list. CantStandYa 03:51, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Just to give you my point of view: I am a combat veteran of the 1991 Gulf War, some of my soldiers died in combat, and one of my former scouts died in Iraq this past spring. -- Gadget850 14:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Casey Sheehan is not newsworthy, his mom is. If we added all the Eagle Scouts who died in combat, we'd have hundreds of pages. He would belong on any list of war dead, but he is not famous. Rlevse 20:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC) PS: However, since there is a Wiki article on him, I went and added the Eagle Scout category to his article, which no one had yet done. Rlevse 02:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
There is obviously a big split on whether on not to include Casey on this list. I see absolutely no consensus on the issue whatsoever. Since when does being the son of a newsworthy person make you famous and noteworthy yourself? I find it quite interesting that Femoyer, an Eagle Scout who was awarded the Medal of Honor, is not on this list and this discussion/adding/removal over Sheehan goes on. I find the criteria for including him shakey at best. No one has previously added Femoyer (one of only two known Eagles to receive the MOH), but Casey is inclued because of his mom? BTW, I'll add Femoyer when I get to the "F" section. The other Eagle Scout MOH recipient is Paige. Rlevse 13:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC) PS: I correct myself, there are three known Eagle Scout MOH recipients: Eugene Fluckey is the other one. Rlevse 00:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Femoyer and Paige were on my todo list: go ahead and add them. I believe that if an individual meets the notability criteria to have a WP article, then they are notable enough for the Eagle list. I've been checking the "what links here": my last several additions were from that and from the redirects. -- Gadget850 15:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I am uncomfortable with political candidates being listed on the page. Does candidacy alone make someone notable? evrik 21:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
See the inclusion guidelines at the top of this page and see Wikipedia:Notability (people). If you feel that the articles for Fawcett and Filson are not notable, then by all means recommend the articles for deletion. Lesh does meet the Google test [4] for notability. We had reached a concensus some time back to use the WP standards: this keeps our hands clean regardless of individual POV. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://users.aol.com/randywoo/bsahis/famous.htm
Nothing new there: I compared it long ago. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
deleted Anthony P. Marzocca: This entry will be removed on 16 Feb 2006 if a citation is not provided. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in this article. Please format your footnotes per the page standard. Ferguson looks like he may meet the criteria for inclusion (see top of the talk page), but Emma appears not to. Please provide more info on Emma or he will be deleted. You may want to get an account and write Wiki articles on them too. Rlevse 11:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I just added Edgar Cunningham (first black Eagle Scout) and Alexander Holsinger (one millionth Eagle Scout). I also removed Randall Newton because the didn't meet that inclusion criteria. I'd also like to propose that instead of just putting "John Doe, athlete (baseball)" the team the person played for, the position they played or anything else a little more specific. (See Albery Belle or William Bradley on list) Also instead of just "astronaut" the flights they were on might also be included i.e. Apollo 11, etc. Worldtravller 19:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that we NOT use lists such as The Congress and Scouting as the cite. Even though this particular list is from BSA, I have my doubts about some on it, such as Gordon Smith. If a politician's web site [6] does not show him as an Eagle Scout and DESA then I have my doubts.
Also: Cites should be added ONLY for red-link individuals. If that person has an article, the cite should go in the article. Adding cites here for everyone is going to get huge. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Upon reflection, I don't think we should have those lists in the references section. I know some of them are inaccurate (Hank Aaron is on many of them). Perhaps they should be moved to the talk page as a starting reference. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Every DESA through Dec 31, 2002 is verifiable with my page at: [7], which I built from an official BSA hardcopy from Terry Lawson. I have a few awarded after 2002 listed too. So, we can easily verify all but the most recent awardees. I agree with Gadget850, let's only use external links if they don't have an article. If we have an external link, let's list it on his article page, not here, otherwise our refs will be unmanageable. Also, make sure the link numbers in the "incorrectly regarded as" section stay updated. Rlevse 21:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
To sum up:
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
When the page gets redone, I would advocate using some sort of op.cit reference, or pattern the references after those now being used in the Incorrectly regarded as Eagle Scout section. evrik 21:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
PS: I'm putting the official BSA list(s) in the References section, as evrik has a good point there. Rlevse 02:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled onto NNDB.com, a relational database of noteworthy names. One of the items you can select on is Eagle Scout [8]. I've found a number of people on this list that are not on the WP Eagle list. I just need to verify the veracity of Eagle and see if they have a WP article. As usual, there are some inaccuracies, for example, Walter Cronkite is listed (I submitted an update). -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's why this is last list I am hitting. Everything gets independent verification. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I just did a quick tour: current BSA people categories are:
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone else looked at the site Rotten dot com? There are several people on the list whjo aren't on the wiki list. evrik 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I would like to update the guidelines. I went through the current version and clarified and codified several items. Please review the proposal and discuss here. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Ooops. Forgot the Lawson note. I'll add that in. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC) added -- Gadget850 ( Ed)
Done. Recommend that this be adapted to the other lists.-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Jack Bowen, The Dream Weaver : One Boy's Journey through the Landscape of Reality
Well, he seems to meet the notability criteria. Can it be confirmed that he is an Eagle Scout? -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this entry
I don't think it passes the notability test.
-- evrik 18:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
While I agree on the notability (and given the editor's name it smacks of vanity), we shouldn't delete it right off. Per our guidelines above we should tag it and give some time for development. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Will be deleted in two days if proof of notability not submitted. Rlevse 18:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is a boilerplate message to advise editors of a request for cite. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Very nice, Ed. I made a few tweaks. Rlevse 21:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
This one is legit. His real name is William Henry Keeler, Cardinal is his title in the Catholic Church. He is also a DESA. Found him on my own/BSA DESA list and several web hits, easily verifiable as the person listed him on the DESA list too. See Church page on Keeler and other web sites, such as mine own. Rlevse 20:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
With a modicum of work, this could be a featured list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I've been working a new layout for this article. Please take a look at User:Gadget850/Sandbox2 and let me know your thoughts. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Please note that this is more than just converting to a table format. I have also updated and cleaned up the descriptions. I removed a lot of US or United States references that I felt were redundant, since the topic implicitly implies the US. The only down side is that the table format will be confusing to a novice editor, but we should be able to work that. BTW: Each table has a hidden comment that may help new editors. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. I updated the "E" section, keeping it as a bullet list. I made the eagle a bit smaller so as not to mess up the line spacing. Would it be better with the eagle to the left of the name? I also added (deceased) to some entries- do we want to do this? -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Check the tables again for that size issue: I removed the width from the description column. On deceased: use (deceased), use the years (1946–1984) or use the genealogy symbol, a square with a slash [9]. Upon reflection, I will add US back for entries such as US senator vs. state senator. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to get a consensus on this, please. A table format like User:Gadget850/Sandbox2 or a list format as it is now. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Vote table or list:
Presuming that Wim would have voted for list, I'm closing the vote. With no consensus, I'm going to go with enchanced list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
The biggest change is in the use of the gold eagle instead of the DESA text and the addition of a few thumbnails. I have also gone through and updated each entry, as several had aged and were no longer quite correct. I would like some feedback on this, so let me know what you thing. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
As each section is edited, I am adding a comment at the top:
Please see the requirements listed on the talk page before editing. Entries that do not meet these requirements are subject to removal.
I don't know if it will help, but it is probably more noticeable than the note that was at the top. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Formatting:
1. Gold Eagle image if DESA, space 2. name 3. space (deceased) if dead 4. semicolon; 5. Description sentence: First letter cap, end with period. Wikify, but don't repeat previous links.
Rlevse 14:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC) & Gadget850
While going through this, I have gone through each article and have updated the list entry to match. I have also noted the following issues:
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I just went through the Eagle Scout and DESA categories and matched them to the list. Several articles have the Eagle cat but are missing from the list- I have noted these above so that they can be verified. I fixed a number of cats where the name was mispelled or some similar error. I added the cats to several articles that where they were missing. Sam Skinner has two articles- I switched the list to the better one and tagged both articles for a merge.
-- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Charles Manson is certainly a notable Eagle Scout, but every time he gets added here, he gets deleted. Therefore, the entire Wikipedia is a sham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.214.156.48 ( talk • contribs)
Do you have a cite such as a newspaper article? You may note that Russell Henderson and Charles Whitman are listed here as they have been verified. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
We have done a LOT of work on this article of late, and I would like to promote it to a featured list (FL). Some things we need to make this happen:
Please let me know your thoughts on this. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I investigated Chris Smith some time back. He is on the BSA and the Congress list (and the deprecated NNDB list), but I can't independntly verify that Chris Smith (US politician) is the one. He is on the list of possible Eagle Scouts that are unverified on the Investigated entries list. I welcome any citation that shows that he or some other Chris Smith in Congress is an Eagle Scout. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Here are some alternate photos we may want to consider using. -- evrik 20:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I do like this photo ... -- evrik 20:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
We also have to consider the image useage. For example, I once had the image for Wynton Marsalis up, but it is an album cover and is only allowed to be used in the article for the album (so technically it is wrong in the article on Marsalis). The Ferlinghetti image is nice, but I'm not sure the copyright tag allows use. The Reece image might be a use issue as well.
The Belle photo is from his arrest and it just doesn't grab me. Barry is not so much about controversy as it is about yet another guy in a suit. Government photos are fair use, but they are just so boring- we have a preponderance of suits and astronauts. I'm going to be rather busy today, so I might not get to this speedily. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I added Bluford- at least it is different. Ditto for Rivera. I changed the A and B sections to 90 px to match the rest of the list. I would like to save some space for Cunningham when we get a photo. We could probably squeeze in another D, F and H. I really do think that images in the Incorrectly Regarded section removes focus on the article. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I was going to move it to the pop culture page, but you got there first :-) The problem is that IJ is not an Eagle Scout, but the use of the photo (cool photo BTW) looses that focus. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to go on and remove the IJ pic. Some of the photos are off a bit by section, but I don't see that as a problem. I wish Ozzie Nelson had a proper photo, but his article uses an album cover.
I need to go through this and check grammar and the like, but I am not going to have time. I have to go out of town on business through at least Wednesday. I would rather wait until I get back to put this up for FL as I will be better able to edit and defend it.
A question on the name: leave it as is, or change it to "List of notable Eagle Scouts". -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure if this argument as arisen yet, but I think that the article should be named List of notable Eagle Scouts. With its current name, it should include non-notable Eagle Scouts which, as I see, is not the purpose. This would avoid confusion (if any) and be a more accurate title for its purpose. J.Steinbock 19:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Propose this article be renamed to "List of notable Eagle Scouts" as it more cleary defines the scope of the list. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Done Checking redirects. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't like the gold dots. I like the gold eagles much better. Rlevse 17:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on it. Resizing the current image is not going to work well. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is the big job: Each entry needs a citation. See List of Telecaster players for an example. Many of the cites are going to be reused. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I really need help on the entries marked citation needed. I am trying for an independednt cite and I;m just not getting any good hits. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The ones I have tagged do not have a cite in the article and I could not find one with a quick search. A lot of searches pull up derivitaves of WP articles or any number of the questionalble lists. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
For ones we can't find refs for, we need to move to talk page's "Potential entries requiring investigation" section. Rlevse 12:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to move the uncited entries to the investigate list until we can get more information. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
We now are down to cites for the non-Eagles. We really need Hank Aaron.
I have done some searching, and the only real reference for Harrison Ford either way is in this article! As I recall Hooks was only added because his article said he almost made Eagle and editors were adding him- his article no longer shows that. I'm going to remove them for now.
A cite for Charles Manson would be nice as well. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks like Rumsfeld is stepping down as SoD and Gates is nominated. I suggest we update the list after this has happened. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm considering a new layout. Take a look at sandbox2 for a draft. I did down through P just to get the idea. Instead of trying to fill things up, I'm going for a bit more balance. Frankly, a lot of the photos we have right now are so similar that there is not a lot of ocntrast. Just give me a yea or nay on this. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I think I'll leave it as is for now, Maybe we will revisit this later. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
"Only about 1 in 1,000 of all Eagle Scouts have been presented this prestigious award."
I removed this as it is rather misleading. There have been about 1.7 million Eagles Scouts and just under 1700 DESA- that does work out to 1 in 1000. But, Eagle was first awarded in 1912 and DESA in 1969, thus we should only count the number of Eagles since 1969. We would have to do some calculating, but I don't think it is a notable figure, as we have the actual numbers. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
We need a cite for this or it is going to have to go. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Done -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Disambiguate the title my moving to List of notable Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America) Please oppose or support:
Given the support both here and on the FLC discussion, I am making the move and fixing redirects. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The NPOV tag was placed on this article by User:166.214.156.48. No reason was given. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Agree. I just want to document the issue and our reasoning. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I know that Al Gore is often cited as being an Eagle Scout in the press, for example here and here. I'm not sure if it's true, but I think it should definitely be added to either the correct or incorrect list. Kyle J Moore 19:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Folks should go on the list only if they show up on other lists incorrectly as an Eagle Scout or if there is a pesistent rumour about someone like Manson or Angelo. Hank Aaron fits this as he shows up on a number of those lists. Hooks was only on the list because his article used to say he almost made Eagle (that is gone now) and a couple of editors added him and someone moved him to the incorrect list. Otherwise, the thing could eat the article. -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Kudos to Gadget850 and Rlevse on all the fine work on this article. I see it's up for Featured List, I'll vote for it. Sumoeagle179 02:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
WE MADE IT. Thanks to everyone who contributed! -- Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)