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Should there be no notes on the confusion over Jessica Brown Findlay's appearance in Series 3. She is confirmed to be in the third series, reprising her lead role, yet is not credited. This is made more disconcerting as people like Allen Leech and Amy Nuttall are credited (as well as the remainder of the original title cast). See Downton Abbey at the Internet Movie Database and/or the Downton Abbey talk page for this explained and in detail. -- Tropzax ( talk) 21:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
The ratings figures for this show seem too high. For example, the article states that the Christmas Special attracted 12.11 million viewers. Now, there are only 26 million households in the UK, so this means that 46% of all households in the UK tuned in to that episode. Simply put, this is impossible. This needs to be looked into and corrected (for all episodes, not just the C.S.). MisterZed ( talk) 18:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I think the United States ratings figures should be added. J4lambert ( talk) 02:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm watching the episodes sequentially on Netflix and Hulu+ as I read the synopses in wikipedia. I'm surprised that some events are placed in the wrong sequence. It's starting to annoy me.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.14.172 ( talk • contribs)
What does it matter? A storyline is often distributed in bits throughout an episode, but a synopsis gathers them all together to make a coherent whole, in as few words as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 13:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
See WP:MOS under "US and U.S.", for reasoning. Jimthing ( talk) 01:43, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
What is the source for the dates given at the beginning of each synopsis? Are these actually official, or just educated guesses? Tad Lincoln ( talk) 02:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Please add information and sources explaining the differences between the original UK and the US/PBS versions of the broadcasts and DVDs. The last episode of Season 3 on PBS (Feb 2013) was about 95 minutes of content. How does this relate to the original UK broadcasts? How much of the total Season 3 content was cut in the US versions? How much was re-arranged?
Perusing the listings of DVDs for sale, it appears that all the DVDs, even in the US, are the original UK content. Is this true? - 96.233.19.238 ( talk) 15:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I would be interested in a summary of how this has been adapted in each country, globally.- 96.233.19.238 ( talk) 14:25, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
A quick thankyou to this editor who although I think was a little incorrect, pointed out a lot of the logic- which I've expanded on. I was going to put this info as a hidden comment, but it became too long within the article, so i'm posting here.
Episode 1:
Given that the day is after the 14th of February, but at least a week before "the 16th", The episode must start in March or April. |
Episode 2:
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— Msmarmalade ( talk) 02:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
This editor (while I think they got their days mixed up) has pointed out that the only "Saturday the 16th"s in 1924 were in February or August. However, considering that Mrs Hughes says the anniversary is on "Saturday week" i think the previous conclusion reached still holds. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I've added a couple of times in the episode to the dotpoints above in case anyone wants to verify the quotes. I've also just put a table around the dotpoints above to make them easier to see — Msmarmalade ( talk) 02:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Saturday, as has rightly been pointed out, only falls on the 16th on TWO dates in 1924 - as seen here! http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1924&country=9 - and they are February and August. Series 5 Episode 1 cannot be set in August as George V speaks at the British Empire exhibition (which happened on April 23rd!) in episode 2, meaning that episode 1 is stuck, completely and squarely, in February.
I shall be editing this now. Please, do NOT change it - wrongly - back since that is the only date it can be. 81.156.144.198 ( talk) 12:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
The dialogue is "Their anniversary is on Saturday week." and, when someone wants to visit in 5x01, Cora states their anniversary is "the 16th". Using real life dates, we can determine that the only "Saturday 16ths" in 1924 were February and August. Now, the episode cannot - NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY - be set in August... for one tiny detail. George V speaks in 5x02. His speech is in April (April 23rd, 1924, to be precise!). Thus, this counts out - WITHOUT A SLIVER OF DOUBT - the August date. Thus, the only other "Saturday 16th" available is February... meaning that is their anniversary date: February 16th.
The only other way we can explain this away is that the bit with Jimmy saying goodbye and the cleaning of Edith's room takes place in February... then the episode skips (as we see Rose repeatedly nagging Robert throughout the episode and there is long enough for an announcement of George V speaking at the British Empire exhibition to be put in the paper and become public knowledge) to April, for the speech.
There is, no matter what ANYONE says, any other alternatives. Episode 1 is Feb. Episode 2 is April. 86.139.158.67 ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
This must take place later than September 1924. Among the guests at the Granthams' cocktail party Carson annou nces "Lord Howard of Glossop and Lady Beaumont". Lady Beaumont from 1896 to 1971 was Mona Fitzalan-Howard, 11th Baroness Beaumont (age thirty in 1924). Presumably the man accompanying her is supposed to be her husband Bernard Fitzalan-Howard, 3rd Baron Howard of Glossop (age 39 in 1924), rather than her father-in-law Francis Fitzalan-Howard, 2nd Baron Howard of Glossop who died aged 65 on on 22 September that year. Opera hat ( talk) 00:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Ok so now we've had 3 different values ( 11.2, 8.9, 10.71) for the number of viewers for season 5 episode 1. Could someone please teach me how to find the correct number so that in the future I can verify edits? For example there are several channels listed on the BARB site (e.g. ITV, ITVHD ITV+1) do you count these? Also repeats of the same episode? Or just the first? I don't even know if i'm looking at the right page. Thanks, — Msmarmalade ( talk) 08:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it rather biased to have 28 day data from BARB for the current series (series 6), but only 7 day data from the previous five series? Shouldn't the current series ratings figures stick to what it has been in the past? Just to show a better representation? 81.140.183.145 ( talk) 22:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
A note has appeared saying that the plot summaries may be too long or excessively detailed. From series three onwards I got in with initial synopses immediately after each episode was shown in the UK, and kept them as short and concise as I could; a lot happens in each episode, and needed to be included, but I believe my 1950s English Language training let me do a precis quite well. Unfortunately, in many cases others came along and added extra, unnecessary and irrelevant wording, embroidering the basic plotlines. I sometimes deleted dead-end sub-plots which made the synopsis too long, but some additions added things I missed, and were useful. Further pruning would remove basic plotlines, which I submit would not be helpful. 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 10:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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I do not think the plot summaries are too long. In fact, I think most of them are too short. It may be useful to have two sections for each episode: a "highlights" section which would be very brief, and a "summaries" section that gives the reader all of the episode's plot lines.
I think this would be very useful. For example, I wondered which episode had Lady Mary putting her lucky charm on her dressing table to remind her that Matthew was on her side. I knew it was after Matthew's death, which meant it was probably in Season Four. I began watching Season Four again and found that it was in Episode Two. Lord Grantham gives Lady Mary "such a whacking at dinner". The plot line of Lord Grantham wanting to be in sole charge of the estate after Matthew's death and how Lady Mary comes to have a major role in the running of the estate is very important in understanding the rest of the series.
I think the general public would appreciate being able to find a plot line quickly and know which Season/Episode it was in.
Starsmark ( talk) 22:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Interesting take on the subject, but so much happens in each episode that covering each incident - especially trying to do them in order - would make the entries far too long. I think a general outline, giving only the main storylines, would satisfy most users. I came back after a decent interval to see what changes have been made, and am rather dismayed at some of the fiddling that's been done; in many cases, extra unnecessary details have been added, and I don't like the division into many short sentences, instead of using punctuation to make things flow more properly. I'm not going to change anything back, but I find some of the results annoying. 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 10:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I have all six seasons of Downton Abbey on DVD and have watched every episode over ten times. I copied the episodes section to a Word document for my personal use and my own editing and found that the summaries were so poorly written, contained so many errors of fact and omitted so many important plot lines that I had to rewrite practically the entire document.
I think the episode list summaries as they stand reflect poorly on Wikipedia's standards and do not serve the public well.
What's to be done?
Thank you.
Starsmark ( talk) 22:08, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
You are entitled to your opinion, but as the initial writer of many summaries I take offence at your charge that they are poorly written; the English teacher at my Grammar School in the fifties would approve of my proper use of English and punctuation (subsequently badly amended, see above). I made notes as I viewed, and doubt there are errors of fact. 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 10:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
It was not my intention to cause offense. My apologies. However, I did find many errors of fact back in my original posting on 19 February 2016. After a hiatus, I'm watching the series again and rereading the original episode summaries. In the original, part of the summary for Season 3, Episode 1 was written as follows:
"Tom takes Matthew to the pub to talk and tells Matthew that he will “never be happy with anyone else as long as Lady Mary walks the earth.” This prompts Matthew to go to Mary’s bedroom door and, after knocking, Anna opens the door, and Mary and Matthew talk through the door. He convinces her to go through with the wedding by telling her what Tom said."
Tom did not take Matthew to the pub to talk. They talked while having drinks inside Crawley House. This is evident not only from viewing the room they're in, but also from reading Downton Abbey: The Complete Scripts - Season 3, by Julian Fellowes, page 72.
I viewed the Wikipedia page again today, intending to correct it but someone has already rewritten the summary of Episode 1 and the error is no longer there.
I do want to say that I appreciated your inclusion of the quote that Matthew will “never be happy with anyone else as long as Lady Mary walks the earth,” (which has been removed) as this is one of my favorite quotes in the series. Cheers! Starsmark ( talk) 00:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I must apologize again. I've just looked through the folders on my computer and I found your original summaries and I found another set of summaries that were posted on the IMDB. I confused the two. The summaries that had factual errors and were poorly written came from the IMDB, not from your summaries. Mea culpa! Starsmark ( talk) 02:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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I would find it extremely helpful if links were given for the characters mentioned in the episodes. This was done in Wikipedia's list of episodes for The Sopranos and saved me much screen hopping back to the cast and characters. Abenr ( talk) 18:49, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
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Should there be no notes on the confusion over Jessica Brown Findlay's appearance in Series 3. She is confirmed to be in the third series, reprising her lead role, yet is not credited. This is made more disconcerting as people like Allen Leech and Amy Nuttall are credited (as well as the remainder of the original title cast). See Downton Abbey at the Internet Movie Database and/or the Downton Abbey talk page for this explained and in detail. -- Tropzax ( talk) 21:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
The ratings figures for this show seem too high. For example, the article states that the Christmas Special attracted 12.11 million viewers. Now, there are only 26 million households in the UK, so this means that 46% of all households in the UK tuned in to that episode. Simply put, this is impossible. This needs to be looked into and corrected (for all episodes, not just the C.S.). MisterZed ( talk) 18:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I think the United States ratings figures should be added. J4lambert ( talk) 02:22, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm watching the episodes sequentially on Netflix and Hulu+ as I read the synopses in wikipedia. I'm surprised that some events are placed in the wrong sequence. It's starting to annoy me.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.92.14.172 ( talk • contribs)
What does it matter? A storyline is often distributed in bits throughout an episode, but a synopsis gathers them all together to make a coherent whole, in as few words as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 13:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
See WP:MOS under "US and U.S.", for reasoning. Jimthing ( talk) 01:43, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
What is the source for the dates given at the beginning of each synopsis? Are these actually official, or just educated guesses? Tad Lincoln ( talk) 02:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Please add information and sources explaining the differences between the original UK and the US/PBS versions of the broadcasts and DVDs. The last episode of Season 3 on PBS (Feb 2013) was about 95 minutes of content. How does this relate to the original UK broadcasts? How much of the total Season 3 content was cut in the US versions? How much was re-arranged?
Perusing the listings of DVDs for sale, it appears that all the DVDs, even in the US, are the original UK content. Is this true? - 96.233.19.238 ( talk) 15:44, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I would be interested in a summary of how this has been adapted in each country, globally.- 96.233.19.238 ( talk) 14:25, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
A quick thankyou to this editor who although I think was a little incorrect, pointed out a lot of the logic- which I've expanded on. I was going to put this info as a hidden comment, but it became too long within the article, so i'm posting here.
Episode 1:
Given that the day is after the 14th of February, but at least a week before "the 16th", The episode must start in March or April. |
Episode 2:
|
— Msmarmalade ( talk) 02:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
This editor (while I think they got their days mixed up) has pointed out that the only "Saturday the 16th"s in 1924 were in February or August. However, considering that Mrs Hughes says the anniversary is on "Saturday week" i think the previous conclusion reached still holds. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I've added a couple of times in the episode to the dotpoints above in case anyone wants to verify the quotes. I've also just put a table around the dotpoints above to make them easier to see — Msmarmalade ( talk) 02:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Saturday, as has rightly been pointed out, only falls on the 16th on TWO dates in 1924 - as seen here! http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1924&country=9 - and they are February and August. Series 5 Episode 1 cannot be set in August as George V speaks at the British Empire exhibition (which happened on April 23rd!) in episode 2, meaning that episode 1 is stuck, completely and squarely, in February.
I shall be editing this now. Please, do NOT change it - wrongly - back since that is the only date it can be. 81.156.144.198 ( talk) 12:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
The dialogue is "Their anniversary is on Saturday week." and, when someone wants to visit in 5x01, Cora states their anniversary is "the 16th". Using real life dates, we can determine that the only "Saturday 16ths" in 1924 were February and August. Now, the episode cannot - NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY - be set in August... for one tiny detail. George V speaks in 5x02. His speech is in April (April 23rd, 1924, to be precise!). Thus, this counts out - WITHOUT A SLIVER OF DOUBT - the August date. Thus, the only other "Saturday 16th" available is February... meaning that is their anniversary date: February 16th.
The only other way we can explain this away is that the bit with Jimmy saying goodbye and the cleaning of Edith's room takes place in February... then the episode skips (as we see Rose repeatedly nagging Robert throughout the episode and there is long enough for an announcement of George V speaking at the British Empire exhibition to be put in the paper and become public knowledge) to April, for the speech.
There is, no matter what ANYONE says, any other alternatives. Episode 1 is Feb. Episode 2 is April. 86.139.158.67 ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
This must take place later than September 1924. Among the guests at the Granthams' cocktail party Carson annou nces "Lord Howard of Glossop and Lady Beaumont". Lady Beaumont from 1896 to 1971 was Mona Fitzalan-Howard, 11th Baroness Beaumont (age thirty in 1924). Presumably the man accompanying her is supposed to be her husband Bernard Fitzalan-Howard, 3rd Baron Howard of Glossop (age 39 in 1924), rather than her father-in-law Francis Fitzalan-Howard, 2nd Baron Howard of Glossop who died aged 65 on on 22 September that year. Opera hat ( talk) 00:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Ok so now we've had 3 different values ( 11.2, 8.9, 10.71) for the number of viewers for season 5 episode 1. Could someone please teach me how to find the correct number so that in the future I can verify edits? For example there are several channels listed on the BARB site (e.g. ITV, ITVHD ITV+1) do you count these? Also repeats of the same episode? Or just the first? I don't even know if i'm looking at the right page. Thanks, — Msmarmalade ( talk) 08:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it rather biased to have 28 day data from BARB for the current series (series 6), but only 7 day data from the previous five series? Shouldn't the current series ratings figures stick to what it has been in the past? Just to show a better representation? 81.140.183.145 ( talk) 22:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
A note has appeared saying that the plot summaries may be too long or excessively detailed. From series three onwards I got in with initial synopses immediately after each episode was shown in the UK, and kept them as short and concise as I could; a lot happens in each episode, and needed to be included, but I believe my 1950s English Language training let me do a precis quite well. Unfortunately, in many cases others came along and added extra, unnecessary and irrelevant wording, embroidering the basic plotlines. I sometimes deleted dead-end sub-plots which made the synopsis too long, but some additions added things I missed, and were useful. Further pruning would remove basic plotlines, which I submit would not be helpful. 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 10:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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I do not think the plot summaries are too long. In fact, I think most of them are too short. It may be useful to have two sections for each episode: a "highlights" section which would be very brief, and a "summaries" section that gives the reader all of the episode's plot lines.
I think this would be very useful. For example, I wondered which episode had Lady Mary putting her lucky charm on her dressing table to remind her that Matthew was on her side. I knew it was after Matthew's death, which meant it was probably in Season Four. I began watching Season Four again and found that it was in Episode Two. Lord Grantham gives Lady Mary "such a whacking at dinner". The plot line of Lord Grantham wanting to be in sole charge of the estate after Matthew's death and how Lady Mary comes to have a major role in the running of the estate is very important in understanding the rest of the series.
I think the general public would appreciate being able to find a plot line quickly and know which Season/Episode it was in.
Starsmark ( talk) 22:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Interesting take on the subject, but so much happens in each episode that covering each incident - especially trying to do them in order - would make the entries far too long. I think a general outline, giving only the main storylines, would satisfy most users. I came back after a decent interval to see what changes have been made, and am rather dismayed at some of the fiddling that's been done; in many cases, extra unnecessary details have been added, and I don't like the division into many short sentences, instead of using punctuation to make things flow more properly. I'm not going to change anything back, but I find some of the results annoying. 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 10:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I have all six seasons of Downton Abbey on DVD and have watched every episode over ten times. I copied the episodes section to a Word document for my personal use and my own editing and found that the summaries were so poorly written, contained so many errors of fact and omitted so many important plot lines that I had to rewrite practically the entire document.
I think the episode list summaries as they stand reflect poorly on Wikipedia's standards and do not serve the public well.
What's to be done?
Thank you.
Starsmark ( talk) 22:08, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
You are entitled to your opinion, but as the initial writer of many summaries I take offence at your charge that they are poorly written; the English teacher at my Grammar School in the fifties would approve of my proper use of English and punctuation (subsequently badly amended, see above). I made notes as I viewed, and doubt there are errors of fact. 62.31.149.48 ( talk) 10:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
It was not my intention to cause offense. My apologies. However, I did find many errors of fact back in my original posting on 19 February 2016. After a hiatus, I'm watching the series again and rereading the original episode summaries. In the original, part of the summary for Season 3, Episode 1 was written as follows:
"Tom takes Matthew to the pub to talk and tells Matthew that he will “never be happy with anyone else as long as Lady Mary walks the earth.” This prompts Matthew to go to Mary’s bedroom door and, after knocking, Anna opens the door, and Mary and Matthew talk through the door. He convinces her to go through with the wedding by telling her what Tom said."
Tom did not take Matthew to the pub to talk. They talked while having drinks inside Crawley House. This is evident not only from viewing the room they're in, but also from reading Downton Abbey: The Complete Scripts - Season 3, by Julian Fellowes, page 72.
I viewed the Wikipedia page again today, intending to correct it but someone has already rewritten the summary of Episode 1 and the error is no longer there.
I do want to say that I appreciated your inclusion of the quote that Matthew will “never be happy with anyone else as long as Lady Mary walks the earth,” (which has been removed) as this is one of my favorite quotes in the series. Cheers! Starsmark ( talk) 00:27, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I must apologize again. I've just looked through the folders on my computer and I found your original summaries and I found another set of summaries that were posted on the IMDB. I confused the two. The summaries that had factual errors and were poorly written came from the IMDB, not from your summaries. Mea culpa! Starsmark ( talk) 02:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
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