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I will try to make this list comprehensive. In general, in order to be included in this list, I would like have the name with the chinese equivalent, it has some external reference and is still being taught. All suggestions welcome.
Since this looks like a potential revert war, I figured I'd bring it up here. It sometimes seems trendy for systems to go around calling themselves Neija. Without arguing the merits of the term itself (which is relatively new; most "internal" systems long predate their classification as such), most Chinese systems have Neija aspects, as to many non-Chinese arts. However, most of those arts, despite having strong internal components, are not widely classified as Internal systems. Wing Chun is one such system - there's little doubt that it has a strong internal component, but common convention classifies it as an external system because of its strong external component. - Erik Harris 13:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Wing Chun is external. If you're judging Chi Sau, call it internal, but when you look at Lin Wan Kuen, there's nothing less internal than that. True internal styles are internal throughout and wouldn't have such numb external moves as a key feature of their art. 86.184.169.46 ( talk) 10:05, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Please share the Wikipedia policy or your reasoning behind deleting arts that have no Wikipedia entry. SmithBlue 16:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Probably worth your time to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Revert before replying. SmithBlue 16:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The heading for non-notable states "This proposal was rejected by the community....You may still find this an essay worth reading." On reading the essay I find nothing that appears to provide reason for deleting a "recent family art". If anyone has another line of reasoning for the deletion of a "recent family art" please share it and the process by which I Liq Chuan was declared a "recent family art". Please relate also why you think it over-rides Wikipedia:Help:Reverting SmithBlue 01:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
So "WikiProject Martial Arts guideline", while not even mentioned on the article page is enough in your mind to override Wikipedia:Help:Reverting and the concerns about the effect of reverting raised in it? I suggest you read Wikipedia:Help:Reverting and find a better way of contributing to the maintenance of this list. You could start by including a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial Arts#Lists of martial arts and making clear that entries to the list must conform to those guidlines. SmithBlue 00:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
The list has a mixture of Chinese, Hanyu Pinyin, Cantonese text - is there a better way to classify that and prevent repetitions? -- mh 06:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
For discussion: Most martial arts are recognized as much by their current grand masters or founders as they are by their name. For example, Jeet Kune Do is inseparable from Bruce Lee. The Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_Arts suggests that the founder be listed. My specific concern, of course, is that Fu Jow Pai is often referred to in magazines as "Wai Hong's Fu Jow Pai" and that his name should appear next to the entry. To do this, however, would mean some agreement from other editors of this article; he's probably better known than the system. Either we should begin listing founders or current heads of systems, or they should be removed entirely (including Bruce). JScribner 04:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeet Kune Do should not list Bruce Lee as founder next to it. I have removed his name to fit with the format applied to all other arts. While JKD may be inseperable from Bruce Lee and Fu Jow Pai from Wai Hong (I'm not particularly familiar with Fu Jow Pai), no art on this page states significant practitioners. I have also removed Lee's name from next to the Wing Chun, as it does not belong there either. ( RookZERO 18:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
I'd say, if the founder was not a matter of debate - and has a separate article - then list them, I'm not sure how many this will add (mostly modern arts I suspect). Current system heads probably belong only in the article, since they'll change over time and it is easier to maintain that in the article. Approximate date of origin is a good one to put in too, though that then leads to sorting by date and may cause "my art is older than your art" edit wars to put them in the "correct order". -- Medains 21:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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What happened to the Chinese characters that were there before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossen4 ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I am in favor of including Jeet Kung Do for the following reasons:
The question of new or hybrid styles are more difficult to address. I believe that as long as a style have attracted a good reputation and its sincere in their effort to promote the Chinese martial arts, I give them the benefit of the doubt. That is why I did not reject some of the more recent styles such as I Liq Chuan (意力拳) Mind-Body Art or Jing Quan Do (精拳道). ottawakungfu ( talk) 20:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I've provided a reliable source which you've vexatiously removed it. I don't know why you're trying to persuade us "Do" is Japanese, are you attempting to quote JKD is Japanese martial arts? Nevertheless, the words "Jeet Kune Do" were translated from Cantonese, not Chinese Mandarin. Therefore "Do" is the pronunciation of Cantonese. (since Bruce Lee was raised in HK, he only speaks Cantonese). Bear in mind, Korean also used the word "Do"道, as Korean and Japanese both uses Hanja and Kanji (which refers to the Chinese character). The point I asked about the characters around the JKD emblem is to inform you that Jeet Kune Do is formed by Chinese characters and Chinese philosophy. Thus JKD is Chinese martial arts. Solidsoul ( talk) 23:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The pronunciation of "道" in Cantonese is not necessarily "Dou", since Cantonese is complicated, the pronunciation of Cantonese is variable. (maybe you don't speak Cantonese so you don't know much about it). "Do" was picked up from the Japanese source is actually misleading, you will have to provide reliable sources to support this. (you only asked me to provide reliable source which you have failed to do so). The link for the Japanese word "Do" is meaningless, as you can't use other article from wiki as a reference, and I've never read/heard about the "Do" from JKD was from Japanese, so stop making that up and provide reliable sources please.
If JKD wasn't Chinese, why would it be called Jeet kune do 截拳道? and why there are plenty of Chinese characters alongside the JKD emblem? Please explain.
ottawakungfu also agreed JKD should be listed on this page, I don't mind you start a "Modern Hybrid" section on the page or whatsoever, but surely JKD has to be listed on this page. Solidsoul ( talk) 08:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the new section implemented by Marty Goldberg is a great compromise. Bruce Lee's published works are in English and the Jeet Kung Do is the translation he used. So we cannot read too much in the use of the word "Do". In his work, Bruce is highly critical of all traditional martial arts - including Chinese and Japanese martial arts. So he definitely would not consider himself to be practicing or promoting a traditional Chinese martial art. He is however a Chinese cultural icon and as such many would like to recognize this style as a branch in the Chinese martial arts. Good discussion everybody. ottawakungfu ( talk) 03:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate the contribution of Solidsoul, he raised a valid point on the inclusion of JKD as a Chinese martial art and talk presented a good compromise that solve the issue. I consider this issue resolved. The questions of the interpretation of the word "Do" is not germane to the placement of JKD on the list. Any discussion on this interpretation can be carried out within each user's respective Talk page. Thanks everyone! ottawakungfu ( talk) 02:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I like to reach a consensus on the wiki tags that appeared on this page. I do not think the tags are relevant for the following reasons: this page is a summary of the list of martial arts. It does not require reference or sources since all styles listed link to their respective wiki page. It does not contain original research because information for each style listed are based on their respective wiki page. I feel the current page meets with wikipedia's quality standards. My suggestion is to remove those tags. 02:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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Has there ever been an article about this internal martial art in Wikipedia? It is not a very obscure art, and there's plenty of material about it in the web, so I don't think it can be deemed "non-notable". I am surprised no one has written an article about it, especially with the plethora of rather obscure ones listed in this here article. Any comments? Any takers for writing an article on I Liq Quan? Bruno talk 17:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Just wanna say thanks whoever did all the work adding chinese characters, mandarin pinyin and cantonese transliterations too. Really useful cheers. Could be even better in a table, like on the wing chun glossary of terms page.
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I will try to make this list comprehensive. In general, in order to be included in this list, I would like have the name with the chinese equivalent, it has some external reference and is still being taught. All suggestions welcome.
Since this looks like a potential revert war, I figured I'd bring it up here. It sometimes seems trendy for systems to go around calling themselves Neija. Without arguing the merits of the term itself (which is relatively new; most "internal" systems long predate their classification as such), most Chinese systems have Neija aspects, as to many non-Chinese arts. However, most of those arts, despite having strong internal components, are not widely classified as Internal systems. Wing Chun is one such system - there's little doubt that it has a strong internal component, but common convention classifies it as an external system because of its strong external component. - Erik Harris 13:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Wing Chun is external. If you're judging Chi Sau, call it internal, but when you look at Lin Wan Kuen, there's nothing less internal than that. True internal styles are internal throughout and wouldn't have such numb external moves as a key feature of their art. 86.184.169.46 ( talk) 10:05, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Please share the Wikipedia policy or your reasoning behind deleting arts that have no Wikipedia entry. SmithBlue 16:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Probably worth your time to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Revert before replying. SmithBlue 16:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The heading for non-notable states "This proposal was rejected by the community....You may still find this an essay worth reading." On reading the essay I find nothing that appears to provide reason for deleting a "recent family art". If anyone has another line of reasoning for the deletion of a "recent family art" please share it and the process by which I Liq Chuan was declared a "recent family art". Please relate also why you think it over-rides Wikipedia:Help:Reverting SmithBlue 01:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
So "WikiProject Martial Arts guideline", while not even mentioned on the article page is enough in your mind to override Wikipedia:Help:Reverting and the concerns about the effect of reverting raised in it? I suggest you read Wikipedia:Help:Reverting and find a better way of contributing to the maintenance of this list. You could start by including a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial Arts#Lists of martial arts and making clear that entries to the list must conform to those guidlines. SmithBlue 00:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
The list has a mixture of Chinese, Hanyu Pinyin, Cantonese text - is there a better way to classify that and prevent repetitions? -- mh 06:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
For discussion: Most martial arts are recognized as much by their current grand masters or founders as they are by their name. For example, Jeet Kune Do is inseparable from Bruce Lee. The Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_Arts suggests that the founder be listed. My specific concern, of course, is that Fu Jow Pai is often referred to in magazines as "Wai Hong's Fu Jow Pai" and that his name should appear next to the entry. To do this, however, would mean some agreement from other editors of this article; he's probably better known than the system. Either we should begin listing founders or current heads of systems, or they should be removed entirely (including Bruce). JScribner 04:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Jeet Kune Do should not list Bruce Lee as founder next to it. I have removed his name to fit with the format applied to all other arts. While JKD may be inseperable from Bruce Lee and Fu Jow Pai from Wai Hong (I'm not particularly familiar with Fu Jow Pai), no art on this page states significant practitioners. I have also removed Lee's name from next to the Wing Chun, as it does not belong there either. ( RookZERO 18:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC))
I'd say, if the founder was not a matter of debate - and has a separate article - then list them, I'm not sure how many this will add (mostly modern arts I suspect). Current system heads probably belong only in the article, since they'll change over time and it is easier to maintain that in the article. Approximate date of origin is a good one to put in too, though that then leads to sorting by date and may cause "my art is older than your art" edit wars to put them in the "correct order". -- Medains 21:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Ask for edit protection Wing Tsun Old Man
What happened to the Chinese characters that were there before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rossen4 ( talk • contribs) 10:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I am in favor of including Jeet Kung Do for the following reasons:
The question of new or hybrid styles are more difficult to address. I believe that as long as a style have attracted a good reputation and its sincere in their effort to promote the Chinese martial arts, I give them the benefit of the doubt. That is why I did not reject some of the more recent styles such as I Liq Chuan (意力拳) Mind-Body Art or Jing Quan Do (精拳道). ottawakungfu ( talk) 20:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I've provided a reliable source which you've vexatiously removed it. I don't know why you're trying to persuade us "Do" is Japanese, are you attempting to quote JKD is Japanese martial arts? Nevertheless, the words "Jeet Kune Do" were translated from Cantonese, not Chinese Mandarin. Therefore "Do" is the pronunciation of Cantonese. (since Bruce Lee was raised in HK, he only speaks Cantonese). Bear in mind, Korean also used the word "Do"道, as Korean and Japanese both uses Hanja and Kanji (which refers to the Chinese character). The point I asked about the characters around the JKD emblem is to inform you that Jeet Kune Do is formed by Chinese characters and Chinese philosophy. Thus JKD is Chinese martial arts. Solidsoul ( talk) 23:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The pronunciation of "道" in Cantonese is not necessarily "Dou", since Cantonese is complicated, the pronunciation of Cantonese is variable. (maybe you don't speak Cantonese so you don't know much about it). "Do" was picked up from the Japanese source is actually misleading, you will have to provide reliable sources to support this. (you only asked me to provide reliable source which you have failed to do so). The link for the Japanese word "Do" is meaningless, as you can't use other article from wiki as a reference, and I've never read/heard about the "Do" from JKD was from Japanese, so stop making that up and provide reliable sources please.
If JKD wasn't Chinese, why would it be called Jeet kune do 截拳道? and why there are plenty of Chinese characters alongside the JKD emblem? Please explain.
ottawakungfu also agreed JKD should be listed on this page, I don't mind you start a "Modern Hybrid" section on the page or whatsoever, but surely JKD has to be listed on this page. Solidsoul ( talk) 08:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the new section implemented by Marty Goldberg is a great compromise. Bruce Lee's published works are in English and the Jeet Kung Do is the translation he used. So we cannot read too much in the use of the word "Do". In his work, Bruce is highly critical of all traditional martial arts - including Chinese and Japanese martial arts. So he definitely would not consider himself to be practicing or promoting a traditional Chinese martial art. He is however a Chinese cultural icon and as such many would like to recognize this style as a branch in the Chinese martial arts. Good discussion everybody. ottawakungfu ( talk) 03:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate the contribution of Solidsoul, he raised a valid point on the inclusion of JKD as a Chinese martial art and talk presented a good compromise that solve the issue. I consider this issue resolved. The questions of the interpretation of the word "Do" is not germane to the placement of JKD on the list. Any discussion on this interpretation can be carried out within each user's respective Talk page. Thanks everyone! ottawakungfu ( talk) 02:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I like to reach a consensus on the wiki tags that appeared on this page. I do not think the tags are relevant for the following reasons: this page is a summary of the list of martial arts. It does not require reference or sources since all styles listed link to their respective wiki page. It does not contain original research because information for each style listed are based on their respective wiki page. I feel the current page meets with wikipedia's quality standards. My suggestion is to remove those tags. 02:57, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi everyone! A few days ago, an IP added {{
Cleanup-remainder}} to the top of this article. This template now requires a |reason=
parameter (just like {{
Cleanup}} does). Could someone please add the appropriate reason or remove the template?
Thanks!
GoingBatty (
talk) 16:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Has there ever been an article about this internal martial art in Wikipedia? It is not a very obscure art, and there's plenty of material about it in the web, so I don't think it can be deemed "non-notable". I am surprised no one has written an article about it, especially with the plethora of rather obscure ones listed in this here article. Any comments? Any takers for writing an article on I Liq Quan? Bruno talk 17:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Just wanna say thanks whoever did all the work adding chinese characters, mandarin pinyin and cantonese transliterations too. Really useful cheers. Could be even better in a table, like on the wing chun glossary of terms page.
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