![]() | List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes is a former featured list candidate. Please view the link under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. Once the objections have been addressed you may resubmit the article for featured list status. | |||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||
Current status: Former featured list candidate |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||
|
All this needs is a name change, nothing else. Maybe "List of Atlantic Hurricanes that peaked at Category 4"? Then all will be well, at least in my opinion. May I also suggest adding some pictures of Cat 4 hurricanes?
"Nova Scotia's biggest train person" ( talk) 20:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Come on, only start class? Juliancolton 13:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I did note that a category 4 that later intensified into a category 5 is not included in this analysys. Juliancolton 15:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes you did. And since all Cat-5 hurricanes will be Cat-4 at some point this was a stupid decision, albeit very similar to such stupid decisions which pervade Wikipedia. HTH. Jamesdowallen ( talk) 15:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I added some more info about the most damaging and deadly storms by time period. Still start class? Juliancolton ( talk) 17:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, i was planning on leaving it the way it was when I first created it, bu there was complaints about there not beinx enough information, just the tables. If you think I should get rid of most of the storm info, than I will. Other than that, I don't know where it could be improved. So, I will do my best to improve it, and if anybody else wants to help out, they are more than welcome! Juliancolton ( talk) 19:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
And what does IMO mean? Juliancolton ( talk) 19:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
There, any better now? Juliancolton ( talk) 14:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I am a little confused. When you say you would like to see some of the tables from the cat. 5 article, do you mean you would like to see the list of cat 4's listed by strength, minimum pressure, and other orders, like in the cat. 5 article? And about the landfall section, I guess I could put a table of all of the cat 4's to make landfall as cat. 4, but other than that, I think that section would be somwewhat short.
If you have any more suggestions, please say so, I need suggestions on this article, and I hope to get this up to at least B class, fro the time being, and after that maybe FA. Juliancolton ( talk) 02:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Could this get to B? Juliancolton ( talk) 21:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
It's getting there. I'd like to see each of the tables expanded by including minimum pressure and total time as Category 4, and a knots header should be included as well (since both mph and km/h are converted from knots). Yes, a landfall table should still be included, as it'd be a nice addition, and it wouldn't be too short if you followed the table from the Cat. 5 article. Be sure to do both of these. -- Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok be sure to do that. And you think I should list all of the cat. 4's in chronological order, and by minimum pressure, and again by wind as in the cat. 5 article? Juliancolton ( talk) 22:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, so like a table that lists minimum pressure winds and time as a cat 4. Wouldn't that be kinda long? Juliancolton ( talk) 22:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, done with the pressure...What next? It is really hard to find how long a storms was at cat. 4 status, so I might have to do that for the more recent storms. Juliancolton ( talk) 17:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that landfall table. I just couldn't fiqure it out before. Now that I have the table design should I work on the rest of the years after 1949? Juliancolton ( talk) 14:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Juliancolton ( talk) 23:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I did some more work on it. It's got to be close. Juliancolton 21:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Assuming this article does not get deleted (which I'm rather unsure of, seeing no reason for its existence myself), there's a number of things that need fixing.
— jdorje ( talk) 19:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been asked to comment on this article, and whether or not it should be deleted/delisted. If it were kept, I agree with jdorje that you would have to include category 5 hurricanes within the article. Not counting a category 5 hurricane as having gone through category 4 first makes little sense to me. I saw a passage about not including tropical depressions in one of the table due to data issues. Considering typical NHC error on intensity (about 1/2 a hurricane category), that comment could disqualify any of the storms listed within this article, and related hurricane category lists within wikipedia, let alone tropical depression inclusion in a certain table. While I don't see a strong reason for this page to exist, I don't see a strong case for it being deleted either. There are lists on wikipedia that are less useful, in my opinion. If you included category five storms within this list and rename it something like Atlantic hurricanes which have reached category 4 strength the usefulness of the article would increase. I could imagine people finding the article useful, if modified in this fashion. I don't think it should be deleted merely because it does not focus exclusively on landfalling tropical cyclones. If deletion is being proposed because the article is considered original research, any of the project's ACE pages would also be up for deletion on similar grounds. Thegreatdr ( talk) 22:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
A Southern Region NWS hurricane webpage calls major hurricanes "rather rare." If I find any other NWS/NHC references that state this, I'll post it on the talk page. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I can imagine a page about category 4 or higher. But for the life of me, I have great difficulty guessing what a user might be doing that would make him want to look up category 4 specifically.
I came to this page as a step toward manually constructing my own list of category 4+5. I'd be delighted to hear the scenario where a user would want this page but not the category 5 page. (Silly scavenger hunts don't count.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.89.123.1 ( talk) 18:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 07:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 19:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "HURDAT":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
The hurricanes are split up by date range: 1850-1900, 1901-1950, and so on. HOWEVER, hurricanes from 1920's are included in the 1850-1900 list.
Those hurricanes are correctly(??) omitted from the 1851-1900 subtotal, but incorrectly(?!!) omitted from the 1901-1950 subtotals. Hence the subtotals don't balance.
Solution? SIMPLY provide one single list. Do NOT break it up into date ranges. The Wikipedia fetish for splitting up lists like this is only that -- a stupid counterproductive fetish.
Thanks for your attention. Hope this helps. Jamesdowallen ( talk) 15:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
![]() | List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes is a former featured list candidate. Please view the link under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. Once the objections have been addressed you may resubmit the article for featured list status. | |||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||
Current status: Former featured list candidate |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||
|
All this needs is a name change, nothing else. Maybe "List of Atlantic Hurricanes that peaked at Category 4"? Then all will be well, at least in my opinion. May I also suggest adding some pictures of Cat 4 hurricanes?
"Nova Scotia's biggest train person" ( talk) 20:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Come on, only start class? Juliancolton 13:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I did note that a category 4 that later intensified into a category 5 is not included in this analysys. Juliancolton 15:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes you did. And since all Cat-5 hurricanes will be Cat-4 at some point this was a stupid decision, albeit very similar to such stupid decisions which pervade Wikipedia. HTH. Jamesdowallen ( talk) 15:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I added some more info about the most damaging and deadly storms by time period. Still start class? Juliancolton ( talk) 17:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, i was planning on leaving it the way it was when I first created it, bu there was complaints about there not beinx enough information, just the tables. If you think I should get rid of most of the storm info, than I will. Other than that, I don't know where it could be improved. So, I will do my best to improve it, and if anybody else wants to help out, they are more than welcome! Juliancolton ( talk) 19:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
And what does IMO mean? Juliancolton ( talk) 19:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
There, any better now? Juliancolton ( talk) 14:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I am a little confused. When you say you would like to see some of the tables from the cat. 5 article, do you mean you would like to see the list of cat 4's listed by strength, minimum pressure, and other orders, like in the cat. 5 article? And about the landfall section, I guess I could put a table of all of the cat 4's to make landfall as cat. 4, but other than that, I think that section would be somwewhat short.
If you have any more suggestions, please say so, I need suggestions on this article, and I hope to get this up to at least B class, fro the time being, and after that maybe FA. Juliancolton ( talk) 02:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Could this get to B? Juliancolton ( talk) 21:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
It's getting there. I'd like to see each of the tables expanded by including minimum pressure and total time as Category 4, and a knots header should be included as well (since both mph and km/h are converted from knots). Yes, a landfall table should still be included, as it'd be a nice addition, and it wouldn't be too short if you followed the table from the Cat. 5 article. Be sure to do both of these. -- Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok be sure to do that. And you think I should list all of the cat. 4's in chronological order, and by minimum pressure, and again by wind as in the cat. 5 article? Juliancolton ( talk) 22:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, so like a table that lists minimum pressure winds and time as a cat 4. Wouldn't that be kinda long? Juliancolton ( talk) 22:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, done with the pressure...What next? It is really hard to find how long a storms was at cat. 4 status, so I might have to do that for the more recent storms. Juliancolton ( talk) 17:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that landfall table. I just couldn't fiqure it out before. Now that I have the table design should I work on the rest of the years after 1949? Juliancolton ( talk) 14:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Juliancolton ( talk) 23:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I did some more work on it. It's got to be close. Juliancolton 21:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Assuming this article does not get deleted (which I'm rather unsure of, seeing no reason for its existence myself), there's a number of things that need fixing.
— jdorje ( talk) 19:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I've been asked to comment on this article, and whether or not it should be deleted/delisted. If it were kept, I agree with jdorje that you would have to include category 5 hurricanes within the article. Not counting a category 5 hurricane as having gone through category 4 first makes little sense to me. I saw a passage about not including tropical depressions in one of the table due to data issues. Considering typical NHC error on intensity (about 1/2 a hurricane category), that comment could disqualify any of the storms listed within this article, and related hurricane category lists within wikipedia, let alone tropical depression inclusion in a certain table. While I don't see a strong reason for this page to exist, I don't see a strong case for it being deleted either. There are lists on wikipedia that are less useful, in my opinion. If you included category five storms within this list and rename it something like Atlantic hurricanes which have reached category 4 strength the usefulness of the article would increase. I could imagine people finding the article useful, if modified in this fashion. I don't think it should be deleted merely because it does not focus exclusively on landfalling tropical cyclones. If deletion is being proposed because the article is considered original research, any of the project's ACE pages would also be up for deletion on similar grounds. Thegreatdr ( talk) 22:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
A Southern Region NWS hurricane webpage calls major hurricanes "rather rare." If I find any other NWS/NHC references that state this, I'll post it on the talk page. Thegreatdr ( talk) 23:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I can imagine a page about category 4 or higher. But for the life of me, I have great difficulty guessing what a user might be doing that would make him want to look up category 4 specifically.
I came to this page as a step toward manually constructing my own list of category 4+5. I'd be delighted to hear the scenario where a user would want this page but not the category 5 page. (Silly scavenger hunts don't count.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.89.123.1 ( talk) 18:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 07:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 19:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "HURDAT":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
The hurricanes are split up by date range: 1850-1900, 1901-1950, and so on. HOWEVER, hurricanes from 1920's are included in the 1850-1900 list.
Those hurricanes are correctly(??) omitted from the 1851-1900 subtotal, but incorrectly(?!!) omitted from the 1901-1950 subtotals. Hence the subtotals don't balance.
Solution? SIMPLY provide one single list. Do NOT break it up into date ranges. The Wikipedia fetish for splitting up lists like this is only that -- a stupid counterproductive fetish.
Thanks for your attention. Hope this helps. Jamesdowallen ( talk) 15:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)