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It seems likely to me that this needs more grammatical edits than average. I'm going to be trying to take them all out, so if I accidentally change information from what you think is true, then change it back. But please, try to use proper English, as the alternative is sloppy. Devon.underwood ( talk) 17:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've corrected some grammar mistakes in Jimmy kudo's information.[Errors Corrected {Original}:(He is also openly in love his childhood friend,) (He is also openly in love his childhood friend, Rachel Moore but cannot reveal his feelings to her his current condition.)] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.189.115 ( talk) 11:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Engrish indeed - there should be japanese name first, english as second. It has reasons: 1. Japanese names are original ones, and are used nearly everywhere except USA. 2. English wiki serves as Internation source, becouse it is largest and English is international language these days. To point: To any other who did not saw these US rubbish version and knows only original names, this english names are really, really confusing. So PLEASE, end finally this naming nonsense and allow me or anyone else change this article to proper international standard. Robin_WH 17.9.2010 0:25CET
"Sigh" I don't make the rules. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles). If you want to attempt and change the guide lines, go try it here. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga. DragonZero ( talk · contribs) 00:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm..... The information on this character seems to be off. I have read the entire manga up-to-date and thus far there is absolutely NO indication that Kaitou Kid has discovered that Conan Edogawa is actually Shin'ichi (Jimmy). While it is true that he knows that Conan is a detective (and a very capable one at that) and that he knows that Conan is the one solving all the cases when he is around, I do not think that this warrants the comment that "Curiously, Kaitou discovers Conan's true identity, but keeps his secret..." If anything, it is a question of whether Conan can now figure out Kaitou's true identity now that he has knocked the monocle off of Kaitou's face (632, Instant Movement). Also, someone might think of adding in the fact that Conan recently found out that his dad also went one on one with and thus also tried to capture the original Kaitou Kid (572, Broad Daylight). SayerSong ( talk) 20:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe that it is up to what has been released in Japan, as I have been reading it online and a new chapter comes up every week after it is translated. I found that he made the discovery in the anime, so if it is alright with you I will just make note of that. Thanks! SayerSong ( talk) 21:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe some boxes such as Jimmy Kudo or Conan Edogawa may be removed as their Kanji, English, and Japanese names are already in the text. DragonZero ( talk) 19:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I would like some assistance with those. DragonZero ( talk) 08:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Per a request for a neutral editor to make this suggestion, I am tagging multiple character articles for merge here as it is felt that they fail all relevant notability guidelines for having their own articles: WP:N, WP:PLOT, and WP:WAF. They are believed to have no significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources and are incapable of reaching GA status. As such, it is felt that they should be merged. I've created individual sections below for each character. Please leave your views in each. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 03:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Comment I'll be working on the detecitve kids page soon, so please don't delete the information yet. I might have time this week or next.
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Can someone make a caption of the names of the characters for the pictures? DragonZero ( talk) 00:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Gin, Vodka, Vermouth, etc. Have non-wine names in the Viz manga. I do not remember what they are, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.89.233 ( talk) 03:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
We need to figure out some kind of convention for naming these characters, and for /all/ of the related pages. Are we going to call them by their English names or Japanese ones? Since these are the English articles, my vote is for the English manga names (Jimmy Kudo, Rachel Moore, Harley Hartwell, etc.). It's confusing for both editors and readers to be switching back and forth in between names.
Side note: In the English manga, Kazuha Toyama is still called the same thing, so where do "Kirsten Thomas" and "Katrina Tolliver" come from? Are they from the anime/movies? If they are, then what are we going with here? Again, my vote is for the English manga names, so that means Kazuha Toyama, and Hiroshi Agasa instead of Hershel Agasa.
Another note: Are we going to call Jimmy his original name, or are we going to call him Conan? Same thing with Anita Hailey/Shiho Miyano: What are we going to call her? (Her real name is the same in the English manga, I think.) Clem ( talk) 08:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, this is what I would like to propose as a naming convention for Case Closed and all related pages:
Thanks, Clem ( talk) 00:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'm starting an unindented comment because in my opinion, 9 colons is a tad much. I just went and renamed Kirsten Thomas to Kazuha Toyama, and I have question: Where does Katrina Tolliver come from? Is it another name from the anime or is it from the movie or whatever? Also, someone added to the Detective League section the English manga character names, but are we going to rename the sections to put in the Japanese last names, or are we keeping the anime names? Clem ( talk) 18:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I know it's been awhile.. I still don't know if this series will ever come to South Asia (India, Pakistan, Nepal, and Bangladesh) in the English language. If it did and it used the Japanese names, I would put up an RFC for changing to Japanese names on the grounds of neutrality between English-speaking regions. Even though the countries which have English as a native language all use Jimmy/Rachel/etc, IMO we should also consider those with English as a second language that have official translations. Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, and the Philippines are English-speaking regions with an official translation using Japanese names. I wouldn't file an RFC on that alone; I think the large population of South Asia is what would push me into doing so; even if relatively few of the people there are great at English, the absolute size of the English-speaking population would tip the scales. IMO it all hangs on South Asia. WhisperToMe ( talk) 13:11, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
To anyone interested, I will be merging Rachel Moore, Richard Moore (Case Closed), and Shiho Miyano unless some reliable source with their notability is found. Just post the sources here and I can get to work. DragonZero ( talk · contribs) 23:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Could you use http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/ as a source because it has all the refernce of the character. Pukascape ( talk) 18:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Whoever merged this didn't think about what they were taught at Primary School because this page is lacking pictures and it goes on like a boring article which you will find old reference books. Also this page only have key facts and some facts which doesn't always need reference but everyone will know about it are not on here! I'm sure that all of us who uses wiki would want the old case closed back and how back you bring it back for now and then you can collect information on the characters, once you have enough information you can add it on. Then it will be "The Best of Both Worlds!" Chingster ( talk) 18:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Dragonzero is right, unless a character has enough independent coverage from reliable sources (such as reviews) there isn't enough material to justify a stand-alone article. It's not arrogance, its just how it is. We don't make an encyclopedia out of plot summaries. -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 23:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
G.A.S talk 05:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
How are Yamato and Uehara more prominent than the Yokomizo twins? The Yokomizo twins have appeared in many manga and anime cases as the head Inspector, as compared to Uehara and Yamato, who have only appeared in two cases total. Also, how is Reiko Kujo more notable for this article than Chiba? Reiko has only appeared in three cases, none of them from the manga, while Chiba has appeared in a lot of cases, manga and anime, and was even the main detective in a few episodes. Who decided on who was more prominent? 69.112.81.28 ( talk) 06:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
As I know, in the anime (I watch the fansub) and manga (I read the scanlation), it says "Uehara"... Thx... Kenrick Talk 15:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
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Since all the main characters and Antagonist are merged into the article why isint Kaito Kuroba's page merged to it,his page also lacks references so i would suggest to either cite the page or merge it and if it it is merged into the article then out of all Case Closed series characters only Jimmy Kudo's article will be left so its better to find reliable sources and if the main antagonist Gin & Vodka would have more info on them and also if there is sources found for Gin,it would b nice if the article on him could be recreated since vodka doesnt act much in the series its not important to recreate the article on him. 117.197.243.58 ( talk) 06:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
He'll most likely be merged to his series, Magic Kaito. I'm still neutral for the merge since I still think there's notability somewhere. DragonZero ( talk · contribs) 20:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
117.197.243.120 ( talk) 07:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
uh why is there no mention of Chiba at all, when he is a fairly commonly shown character? -- 75.57.248.202 ( talk) 22:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Someone saw fit to undo my addtion of Sera to this list. I don't quite understand why... Having appeared in what seem to be three plot-related cases in a row, and that the series' creator himself has stated she will be an important character, she's already had more impact than Kujo Reiko who meets the ultra-high standards of this page. And on an unrelated note, why is almost every occurence of "Gosho" in the References misspelled as "Gasho"? Soul Of Dawn ( talk) 11:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
It's funny how names like Rachel Moore is known in Japan by Ran Mouri.. Seriously! She's known as Ran Mouri IN THE ENTIRE WORLD EXCEPT IN THE US!! (even in the US she's know as Ran Mouri, please change to: Ran Mouri, also known in the English Wikipedia by Rachel Moore) can it be changed to "Ran Mouri, also known as Rachel Moore..."? (Same goes for the other characters of course)
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tip: Notepad→Find and replace→'known in Japan' to 'known elsewhere' Kuwaity26 ( talk) 18:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
@ AngusWOOF: @ DragonZero: Based on https://www.rightstufanime.com/Case-Closed-Episode-One-Blu-ray the new English anime dub for North America uses the Japanese names for the characters. If it's confirmed to be the case, perhaps there could be a reconsideration of the character names (but not the series name) ? EDIT: https://www.cbr.com/detective-conan-cased-closed-too-many-localizations/ confirms the new dub uses the Japanese names WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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most of the world use original name not localization one,it's really confusing for everyone outside us. 114.124.176.118 ( talk) 13:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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It seems likely to me that this needs more grammatical edits than average. I'm going to be trying to take them all out, so if I accidentally change information from what you think is true, then change it back. But please, try to use proper English, as the alternative is sloppy. Devon.underwood ( talk) 17:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I've corrected some grammar mistakes in Jimmy kudo's information.[Errors Corrected {Original}:(He is also openly in love his childhood friend,) (He is also openly in love his childhood friend, Rachel Moore but cannot reveal his feelings to her his current condition.)] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.189.115 ( talk) 11:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Engrish indeed - there should be japanese name first, english as second. It has reasons: 1. Japanese names are original ones, and are used nearly everywhere except USA. 2. English wiki serves as Internation source, becouse it is largest and English is international language these days. To point: To any other who did not saw these US rubbish version and knows only original names, this english names are really, really confusing. So PLEASE, end finally this naming nonsense and allow me or anyone else change this article to proper international standard. Robin_WH 17.9.2010 0:25CET
"Sigh" I don't make the rules. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles). If you want to attempt and change the guide lines, go try it here. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga. DragonZero ( talk · contribs) 00:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm..... The information on this character seems to be off. I have read the entire manga up-to-date and thus far there is absolutely NO indication that Kaitou Kid has discovered that Conan Edogawa is actually Shin'ichi (Jimmy). While it is true that he knows that Conan is a detective (and a very capable one at that) and that he knows that Conan is the one solving all the cases when he is around, I do not think that this warrants the comment that "Curiously, Kaitou discovers Conan's true identity, but keeps his secret..." If anything, it is a question of whether Conan can now figure out Kaitou's true identity now that he has knocked the monocle off of Kaitou's face (632, Instant Movement). Also, someone might think of adding in the fact that Conan recently found out that his dad also went one on one with and thus also tried to capture the original Kaitou Kid (572, Broad Daylight). SayerSong ( talk) 20:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe that it is up to what has been released in Japan, as I have been reading it online and a new chapter comes up every week after it is translated. I found that he made the discovery in the anime, so if it is alright with you I will just make note of that. Thanks! SayerSong ( talk) 21:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe some boxes such as Jimmy Kudo or Conan Edogawa may be removed as their Kanji, English, and Japanese names are already in the text. DragonZero ( talk) 19:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I would like some assistance with those. DragonZero ( talk) 08:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Per a request for a neutral editor to make this suggestion, I am tagging multiple character articles for merge here as it is felt that they fail all relevant notability guidelines for having their own articles: WP:N, WP:PLOT, and WP:WAF. They are believed to have no significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources and are incapable of reaching GA status. As such, it is felt that they should be merged. I've created individual sections below for each character. Please leave your views in each. -- AnmaFinotera ( talk · contribs) 03:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Comment I'll be working on the detecitve kids page soon, so please don't delete the information yet. I might have time this week or next.
DragonZero (
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04:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Can someone make a caption of the names of the characters for the pictures? DragonZero ( talk) 00:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Gin, Vodka, Vermouth, etc. Have non-wine names in the Viz manga. I do not remember what they are, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.89.233 ( talk) 03:31, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
We need to figure out some kind of convention for naming these characters, and for /all/ of the related pages. Are we going to call them by their English names or Japanese ones? Since these are the English articles, my vote is for the English manga names (Jimmy Kudo, Rachel Moore, Harley Hartwell, etc.). It's confusing for both editors and readers to be switching back and forth in between names.
Side note: In the English manga, Kazuha Toyama is still called the same thing, so where do "Kirsten Thomas" and "Katrina Tolliver" come from? Are they from the anime/movies? If they are, then what are we going with here? Again, my vote is for the English manga names, so that means Kazuha Toyama, and Hiroshi Agasa instead of Hershel Agasa.
Another note: Are we going to call Jimmy his original name, or are we going to call him Conan? Same thing with Anita Hailey/Shiho Miyano: What are we going to call her? (Her real name is the same in the English manga, I think.) Clem ( talk) 08:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, this is what I would like to propose as a naming convention for Case Closed and all related pages:
Thanks, Clem ( talk) 00:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'm starting an unindented comment because in my opinion, 9 colons is a tad much. I just went and renamed Kirsten Thomas to Kazuha Toyama, and I have question: Where does Katrina Tolliver come from? Is it another name from the anime or is it from the movie or whatever? Also, someone added to the Detective League section the English manga character names, but are we going to rename the sections to put in the Japanese last names, or are we keeping the anime names? Clem ( talk) 18:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I know it's been awhile.. I still don't know if this series will ever come to South Asia (India, Pakistan, Nepal, and Bangladesh) in the English language. If it did and it used the Japanese names, I would put up an RFC for changing to Japanese names on the grounds of neutrality between English-speaking regions. Even though the countries which have English as a native language all use Jimmy/Rachel/etc, IMO we should also consider those with English as a second language that have official translations. Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, and the Philippines are English-speaking regions with an official translation using Japanese names. I wouldn't file an RFC on that alone; I think the large population of South Asia is what would push me into doing so; even if relatively few of the people there are great at English, the absolute size of the English-speaking population would tip the scales. IMO it all hangs on South Asia. WhisperToMe ( talk) 13:11, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
To anyone interested, I will be merging Rachel Moore, Richard Moore (Case Closed), and Shiho Miyano unless some reliable source with their notability is found. Just post the sources here and I can get to work. DragonZero ( talk · contribs) 23:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Could you use http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/ as a source because it has all the refernce of the character. Pukascape ( talk) 18:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Whoever merged this didn't think about what they were taught at Primary School because this page is lacking pictures and it goes on like a boring article which you will find old reference books. Also this page only have key facts and some facts which doesn't always need reference but everyone will know about it are not on here! I'm sure that all of us who uses wiki would want the old case closed back and how back you bring it back for now and then you can collect information on the characters, once you have enough information you can add it on. Then it will be "The Best of Both Worlds!" Chingster ( talk) 18:18, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Dragonzero is right, unless a character has enough independent coverage from reliable sources (such as reviews) there isn't enough material to justify a stand-alone article. It's not arrogance, its just how it is. We don't make an encyclopedia out of plot summaries. -- Kraftlos ( Talk | Contrib) 23:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
G.A.S talk 05:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
How are Yamato and Uehara more prominent than the Yokomizo twins? The Yokomizo twins have appeared in many manga and anime cases as the head Inspector, as compared to Uehara and Yamato, who have only appeared in two cases total. Also, how is Reiko Kujo more notable for this article than Chiba? Reiko has only appeared in three cases, none of them from the manga, while Chiba has appeared in a lot of cases, manga and anime, and was even the main detective in a few episodes. Who decided on who was more prominent? 69.112.81.28 ( talk) 06:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
As I know, in the anime (I watch the fansub) and manga (I read the scanlation), it says "Uehara"... Thx... Kenrick Talk 15:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
、
Since all the main characters and Antagonist are merged into the article why isint Kaito Kuroba's page merged to it,his page also lacks references so i would suggest to either cite the page or merge it and if it it is merged into the article then out of all Case Closed series characters only Jimmy Kudo's article will be left so its better to find reliable sources and if the main antagonist Gin & Vodka would have more info on them and also if there is sources found for Gin,it would b nice if the article on him could be recreated since vodka doesnt act much in the series its not important to recreate the article on him. 117.197.243.58 ( talk) 06:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
He'll most likely be merged to his series, Magic Kaito. I'm still neutral for the merge since I still think there's notability somewhere. DragonZero ( talk · contribs) 20:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
117.197.243.120 ( talk) 07:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
uh why is there no mention of Chiba at all, when he is a fairly commonly shown character? -- 75.57.248.202 ( talk) 22:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Someone saw fit to undo my addtion of Sera to this list. I don't quite understand why... Having appeared in what seem to be three plot-related cases in a row, and that the series' creator himself has stated she will be an important character, she's already had more impact than Kujo Reiko who meets the ultra-high standards of this page. And on an unrelated note, why is almost every occurence of "Gosho" in the References misspelled as "Gasho"? Soul Of Dawn ( talk) 11:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
It's funny how names like Rachel Moore is known in Japan by Ran Mouri.. Seriously! She's known as Ran Mouri IN THE ENTIRE WORLD EXCEPT IN THE US!! (even in the US she's know as Ran Mouri, please change to: Ran Mouri, also known in the English Wikipedia by Rachel Moore) can it be changed to "Ran Mouri, also known as Rachel Moore..."? (Same goes for the other characters of course)
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tip: Notepad→Find and replace→'known in Japan' to 'known elsewhere' Kuwaity26 ( talk) 18:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
@ AngusWOOF: @ DragonZero: Based on https://www.rightstufanime.com/Case-Closed-Episode-One-Blu-ray the new English anime dub for North America uses the Japanese names for the characters. If it's confirmed to be the case, perhaps there could be a reconsideration of the character names (but not the series name) ? EDIT: https://www.cbr.com/detective-conan-cased-closed-too-many-localizations/ confirms the new dub uses the Japanese names WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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most of the world use original name not localization one,it's really confusing for everyone outside us. 114.124.176.118 ( talk) 13:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)