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The article (and even AMD's page) mentions this processor as Black Edition, although it is not. I think AMD mistyped it in their list. Just read some user's testimonials [1]. This should be changed (as AMD's page). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.95.56.75 ( talk) 02:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The table in the article states that "Regor" (45 nm, dual-core) supports DDR3-1333, but at least officially Regor only supports up to DDR3-1066!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.140.201.40 ( talk) 13:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Seems to be a mistake on Sargas related to above. Seems to support DDR3-1333. I was just running a Sempron 140 with DDR3 @ 1333. Wikipedia said only 1066 but empirically runs at 1333. Also unlocked to Athlon II X2 4400e (Regor) and ran at same speed. N68C-S UCC Motherboard. Does this mean that some do and some do not? http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/sempron/Pages/AMD-sempron-processor-product-comparison.aspx seems to say that the memory controller on sempron am3 supports 10.6GB/s aka PC3-10600 -> DDR3-1333. I was quite shocked to find it ran at this speed but it does. I think someone should look over the 1066 references here - with Sargas and Regor. It was C2 stepping. I'm really confused because empirically it does run at 1333! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.31.61 ( talk) 20:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed in the other CPUs they include virtualization support under supported features... This isn't listed here and i checked on the AMD website that phenom does support this. Should we add Virtualization to the list of supported features? 96.224.200.232 ( talk) 07:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I am curious to why the 250u does not support virtualization. Every article that I have run into says otherwise. Further, if you use SiW or CPU-z it comes back as supported. Finally, it seems to be implemented in XP mode. The only source I could come up with was a badly researched article by xbitlabs.com when comparing the new Athlon to a Atom. Could you at least provide a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.151.82 ( talk) 11:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I put the Athlon 6-series processors on this page because they are not based on the Athlon 64. They are based on K10. Therefore, since this page is a list of K10 based processors, they should be on this page. Athlon 64's are based on K8, which is a different uArch. Also, in the future when you propose a split, it would be nice to put something on the talk page. -- Imperator3733 01:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Guess you won't mind my messy presentation, probably even my awkward grammar ;)
Anyways, the dual-core processors will be sold under the brand as " Athlon X2", that's enough rationale to move the entries to that page/ section, right? So they're based on a brand new microarchitecture, and so what does that have any impact on me and my future purchasing plan with AMD/Intel processor? The SSE128 FP Units or the L3 cache or SSE4a or the 32-bit prefetching? What are the importance of an microarchitecture to an average end-user (non-techno geeks and probably not the ones who edit in-depth technical details on processor pages, like Bulldozer and Nehalem) or general public (not all but still a majority) as customers/future users? Do they know what in the earth is that K10 *new* microarchitecture representing? Isn't Wikipedia intended for audiences as them? Here is not a repository for technical specification manuals for BIOS developers or system integrators as hosted on AMD developer website or Partner pages!
I put it this way, from AMD naming schemes since PR ratings (<sarcasm>For instance, Athlon 64 X2 7600+1 for AMD 3.8 GHz dual-core processor, comparable to 7.6 GHz Intel Pentium D, that's double the performance</sarcasm>) we know that most of the people probably do not care about the specifications of the processor they are buying, they use relative comparisons (in forms of "figures") to identify the performance of EACH processor, it was used to be clock speeds (also known as the MegaHertz war, ended by Pentium D 3.8 GHz processors, but 'not for overclockers'); now it's the number of cores (FYI: core wars, as Nehalem 8-core plus 80-core Tera-scale project vs. Sandtiger - native 8 Bulldozer cores), the model numbers ("Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770" vs. "AMD Phenom 9780 processors1"), and the power consumption figures - TDP/ ACP (Xeon E74701 105 W TDP vs. Opteron 8370SE1 105 W ACP, same number on paper, right? Guess which consumes less power? Place you bets!) that matters. Thus a product of "AMD Phenom 9790 processor1" (4-core, 105W ACP) is far better than "AMD Phenom 7780 processor1" (3-core, 105W ACP) and is "in theory" better than "Intel Core-whatever QX9770" (4-core, 136W TDP, Ouch!) offerings by comparing these aforementioned numbers, right? Then the stress of the *new* microarchitecture becomes diminished by the customers' tendency of these kind of comparisons and thus the whole microarchitecture thing becomes meaningless.
You may argue that the microarchitecture of a processor may affect actually performance which is reflected by benchmark results, but actually how many people who wanted to build a decent computer for mostly Internet surfing and simple Solitaire games will be expected to see "complicated" benchmark results? Users not only compare products using those superficial figures, but also with their general usage experience (e.g. Slow/fast? Lags/smooth? Hot/cool? Noisy/quiet? Ugly/eye-catching? Unsatisfied/contended? Unhappy/Happy? etc.), so what's a set of very objective benchmark result which is affetced by a slight change (or stepping or errata) in microarchitecture related to those people who use subjective feelings to compare things? No, actually, so what's the difference of 10.324s vs 10.697s for 1M SuperPi? And how about 130.5 fps vs 128.6 fps (1.9/128.6 = 0.0148±0.00005 second)? Will the system slow down to an "unacceptable level" due to this slight change?
As a sidenote, the AMD K10 article still exists in Wikipedia just because at the time of starting the stub, the microarchitecture has NO marketing names whatsoever and there have to be a place for rumors/speculations/prelimilary informations (like Sandy Bridge, thus two article AMD K8L and AMD K10 appeared - thanks to the Inq confusion, then at a later time AMD K8L merged with AMD K10), the AMD K10 article should be officially gone (read "redirected") at the time of the release of Phenom 9000/7000/whatever 6000 series processors (according to the usual pratice of AMD CPU architecture articles, I know Intel ones will remain whatsoever), and sections will be merged/moved to Phenom article and other articles ( Phenom FX, probably Phenom X4/X3/X2, depending on final market branding if including core count), same as the other articles about the AMD microarchitecture (AMD K7 redirects Athlon, and AMD K8 redirects Athlon 64, except that AMD K9 is "cancelled" thus is remained as reference being cited), and finally there should be a List of AMD Phenom microprocessors, so renaming this article and split the table entries to List of AMD Athlon X2 microprocessors should be the easiest way of solving this branding problem and I don't see the point of insisting the stress on AMD K10 microarchitecture here, as:
they expect more about the final outcome ( Phenom processors).
That's my opinion. Feel free to flame me now, and have a nice day.
-- 202.40.157.145 07:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
My personal opinion, List of AMD Athlon X2 microprocessors has no real use... it confuses and it won't work for X3 and X4 Athlon II's in the near future.
I would prefer to see articles sorted like this:
- we have a list for Athlon 64 that includes dual cores like old-labeled Brisbanes (5000+), that article should also include the new-labeled Brisbanes from the Athlon X2 list
- the Athlon X2 list should redirect to Phenom list where we have Phenom I and dual cores based on Phenom I and leave it at that, they are old products now
- make a new list for Phenom II's, which should contain Phenom II and Athon II cpu's, named something like List of AMD Phenom II microprocessors
The technical stuff is not that important, as people will search for names and associations... more or less based on times. Brisbane is now and old Athlon 64 dual core and genuinely people will search for it in the Athlon 64 list. Kuma is the first dual core from the Phenom era, so it's only natural to look for references of it in the Phenom I list, thus new products starting from Phenonm II should get a new list, a proper list, sorting out the Athlon II X3 and X4 mess for the future. Also it's not really easy to edit both Athlon X2 and Phenom to add new models... take a look at Regor, it's in one, but not in the other.
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First, I clearly had the column headers labeled as "Projected Price at Introduction", not just as "Price at Introduction". This implies that these are not necessarily the price at introduction, just that that is what is the current information says.
Second, its not like the sources are The Inquirer or The Register. Two credible sources, TG Daily and DailyTech both have the same prices listed. Those articles were published on November 6 and both are referenced. I can not be sure of the accuracy of the the information, but it is the current information and is from credible sources.
Please address any concerns that you have with those columns here first. Thank you. -- Imperator3733 01:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Was the 9600 Black Edition really launched on November 19, 2007? I thought that it came later than that. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think all previous Black chips were released after their non-Black counterparts. -- Imperator3733 ( talk) 01:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I just moved all the sections with {{futurechip}} labels to List of future AMD Phenom microprocessors. -- Imperator3733 ( talk) 01:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Somehow the article needs to denote the difference that the "Black Edition" brings. Previous attempts to denote the difference have been erased. It is very relavent to the article and should be included somehow. Quovatis ( talk) 16:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please add flags of which units have TLB bug and which do not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.24.71.50 ( talk) 11:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Wondering whether there is a glitch either in the table or at the AMD cpu comparison pages, as the latter seem to suggest that there is an (exactly one!) X3 model 8750 made for Socket 940. [3] This would be OPN-PIB HD875ZWCGHBOX, or OPN-Tray HD875ZWCJ3BGH. Anybody know if this is accurate? Hupasiyas ( talk) 01:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
So far as I can tell the 8450e (HD8450ODJ3BGH) and 8250e (HD8250ODJ3BGH) have been discontinued. If this can be confirmed it would be useful to add this to the table. -- 212.58.42.4 ( talk) 18:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I am confused by the Barcelona, Shanghai, Istanbul names. Someone knowledgeable cares to add this bit of info at the right place?
What are your opinions on creating two separate lists for Phenom (AM2+) and Phenom II (AM3 with a couple exceptions), and their respective Athlon/Athlon II equivalents? I think it's fair to say AMD treats them as separate brands in the same manner that Intel treats Core/Core 2/Core i? as separate ones. -- Vossanova o< 20:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The Athlon II 215 is likely a cut down Deneb and not a Regor, but there aren't any good sources which I could find.
Also there is a Denab based Athlon X2 Dual-Core Processor 5000+ which I know has been successfully unlocked to a full quad-core Deneb. There should be some mention here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stardude82 ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
How come N36L is not listed? It is being shipped to end users for months now. -- Xerces8 ( talk) 08:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Phenom II P650 (HMP650SGR23GM) has other TDP listed here (35W, not 25). Maybe this affects other models too, I didn't check. 178.94.122.36 ( talk) 10:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Currently, the article intro describes only the first-generation Phenoms, which seems insufficient for a list of all K10 CPUs. It's also somewhat poorly written. 207.62.246.20 ( talk) 01:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
The 1075T BE should be removed. It is not an actual product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.143.25 ( talk) 19:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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The article (and even AMD's page) mentions this processor as Black Edition, although it is not. I think AMD mistyped it in their list. Just read some user's testimonials [1]. This should be changed (as AMD's page). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.95.56.75 ( talk) 02:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The table in the article states that "Regor" (45 nm, dual-core) supports DDR3-1333, but at least officially Regor only supports up to DDR3-1066!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.140.201.40 ( talk) 13:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Seems to be a mistake on Sargas related to above. Seems to support DDR3-1333. I was just running a Sempron 140 with DDR3 @ 1333. Wikipedia said only 1066 but empirically runs at 1333. Also unlocked to Athlon II X2 4400e (Regor) and ran at same speed. N68C-S UCC Motherboard. Does this mean that some do and some do not? http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/sempron/Pages/AMD-sempron-processor-product-comparison.aspx seems to say that the memory controller on sempron am3 supports 10.6GB/s aka PC3-10600 -> DDR3-1333. I was quite shocked to find it ran at this speed but it does. I think someone should look over the 1066 references here - with Sargas and Regor. It was C2 stepping. I'm really confused because empirically it does run at 1333! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.31.61 ( talk) 20:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed in the other CPUs they include virtualization support under supported features... This isn't listed here and i checked on the AMD website that phenom does support this. Should we add Virtualization to the list of supported features? 96.224.200.232 ( talk) 07:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I am curious to why the 250u does not support virtualization. Every article that I have run into says otherwise. Further, if you use SiW or CPU-z it comes back as supported. Finally, it seems to be implemented in XP mode. The only source I could come up with was a badly researched article by xbitlabs.com when comparing the new Athlon to a Atom. Could you at least provide a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.151.82 ( talk) 11:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I put the Athlon 6-series processors on this page because they are not based on the Athlon 64. They are based on K10. Therefore, since this page is a list of K10 based processors, they should be on this page. Athlon 64's are based on K8, which is a different uArch. Also, in the future when you propose a split, it would be nice to put something on the talk page. -- Imperator3733 01:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Guess you won't mind my messy presentation, probably even my awkward grammar ;)
Anyways, the dual-core processors will be sold under the brand as " Athlon X2", that's enough rationale to move the entries to that page/ section, right? So they're based on a brand new microarchitecture, and so what does that have any impact on me and my future purchasing plan with AMD/Intel processor? The SSE128 FP Units or the L3 cache or SSE4a or the 32-bit prefetching? What are the importance of an microarchitecture to an average end-user (non-techno geeks and probably not the ones who edit in-depth technical details on processor pages, like Bulldozer and Nehalem) or general public (not all but still a majority) as customers/future users? Do they know what in the earth is that K10 *new* microarchitecture representing? Isn't Wikipedia intended for audiences as them? Here is not a repository for technical specification manuals for BIOS developers or system integrators as hosted on AMD developer website or Partner pages!
I put it this way, from AMD naming schemes since PR ratings (<sarcasm>For instance, Athlon 64 X2 7600+1 for AMD 3.8 GHz dual-core processor, comparable to 7.6 GHz Intel Pentium D, that's double the performance</sarcasm>) we know that most of the people probably do not care about the specifications of the processor they are buying, they use relative comparisons (in forms of "figures") to identify the performance of EACH processor, it was used to be clock speeds (also known as the MegaHertz war, ended by Pentium D 3.8 GHz processors, but 'not for overclockers'); now it's the number of cores (FYI: core wars, as Nehalem 8-core plus 80-core Tera-scale project vs. Sandtiger - native 8 Bulldozer cores), the model numbers ("Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770" vs. "AMD Phenom 9780 processors1"), and the power consumption figures - TDP/ ACP (Xeon E74701 105 W TDP vs. Opteron 8370SE1 105 W ACP, same number on paper, right? Guess which consumes less power? Place you bets!) that matters. Thus a product of "AMD Phenom 9790 processor1" (4-core, 105W ACP) is far better than "AMD Phenom 7780 processor1" (3-core, 105W ACP) and is "in theory" better than "Intel Core-whatever QX9770" (4-core, 136W TDP, Ouch!) offerings by comparing these aforementioned numbers, right? Then the stress of the *new* microarchitecture becomes diminished by the customers' tendency of these kind of comparisons and thus the whole microarchitecture thing becomes meaningless.
You may argue that the microarchitecture of a processor may affect actually performance which is reflected by benchmark results, but actually how many people who wanted to build a decent computer for mostly Internet surfing and simple Solitaire games will be expected to see "complicated" benchmark results? Users not only compare products using those superficial figures, but also with their general usage experience (e.g. Slow/fast? Lags/smooth? Hot/cool? Noisy/quiet? Ugly/eye-catching? Unsatisfied/contended? Unhappy/Happy? etc.), so what's a set of very objective benchmark result which is affetced by a slight change (or stepping or errata) in microarchitecture related to those people who use subjective feelings to compare things? No, actually, so what's the difference of 10.324s vs 10.697s for 1M SuperPi? And how about 130.5 fps vs 128.6 fps (1.9/128.6 = 0.0148±0.00005 second)? Will the system slow down to an "unacceptable level" due to this slight change?
As a sidenote, the AMD K10 article still exists in Wikipedia just because at the time of starting the stub, the microarchitecture has NO marketing names whatsoever and there have to be a place for rumors/speculations/prelimilary informations (like Sandy Bridge, thus two article AMD K8L and AMD K10 appeared - thanks to the Inq confusion, then at a later time AMD K8L merged with AMD K10), the AMD K10 article should be officially gone (read "redirected") at the time of the release of Phenom 9000/7000/whatever 6000 series processors (according to the usual pratice of AMD CPU architecture articles, I know Intel ones will remain whatsoever), and sections will be merged/moved to Phenom article and other articles ( Phenom FX, probably Phenom X4/X3/X2, depending on final market branding if including core count), same as the other articles about the AMD microarchitecture (AMD K7 redirects Athlon, and AMD K8 redirects Athlon 64, except that AMD K9 is "cancelled" thus is remained as reference being cited), and finally there should be a List of AMD Phenom microprocessors, so renaming this article and split the table entries to List of AMD Athlon X2 microprocessors should be the easiest way of solving this branding problem and I don't see the point of insisting the stress on AMD K10 microarchitecture here, as:
they expect more about the final outcome ( Phenom processors).
That's my opinion. Feel free to flame me now, and have a nice day.
-- 202.40.157.145 07:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
My personal opinion, List of AMD Athlon X2 microprocessors has no real use... it confuses and it won't work for X3 and X4 Athlon II's in the near future.
I would prefer to see articles sorted like this:
- we have a list for Athlon 64 that includes dual cores like old-labeled Brisbanes (5000+), that article should also include the new-labeled Brisbanes from the Athlon X2 list
- the Athlon X2 list should redirect to Phenom list where we have Phenom I and dual cores based on Phenom I and leave it at that, they are old products now
- make a new list for Phenom II's, which should contain Phenom II and Athon II cpu's, named something like List of AMD Phenom II microprocessors
The technical stuff is not that important, as people will search for names and associations... more or less based on times. Brisbane is now and old Athlon 64 dual core and genuinely people will search for it in the Athlon 64 list. Kuma is the first dual core from the Phenom era, so it's only natural to look for references of it in the Phenom I list, thus new products starting from Phenonm II should get a new list, a proper list, sorting out the Athlon II X3 and X4 mess for the future. Also it's not really easy to edit both Athlon X2 and Phenom to add new models... take a look at Regor, it's in one, but not in the other.
Em27 (
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17:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
First, I clearly had the column headers labeled as "Projected Price at Introduction", not just as "Price at Introduction". This implies that these are not necessarily the price at introduction, just that that is what is the current information says.
Second, its not like the sources are The Inquirer or The Register. Two credible sources, TG Daily and DailyTech both have the same prices listed. Those articles were published on November 6 and both are referenced. I can not be sure of the accuracy of the the information, but it is the current information and is from credible sources.
Please address any concerns that you have with those columns here first. Thank you. -- Imperator3733 01:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Was the 9600 Black Edition really launched on November 19, 2007? I thought that it came later than that. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think all previous Black chips were released after their non-Black counterparts. -- Imperator3733 ( talk) 01:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I just moved all the sections with {{futurechip}} labels to List of future AMD Phenom microprocessors. -- Imperator3733 ( talk) 01:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Somehow the article needs to denote the difference that the "Black Edition" brings. Previous attempts to denote the difference have been erased. It is very relavent to the article and should be included somehow. Quovatis ( talk) 16:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please add flags of which units have TLB bug and which do not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.24.71.50 ( talk) 11:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Wondering whether there is a glitch either in the table or at the AMD cpu comparison pages, as the latter seem to suggest that there is an (exactly one!) X3 model 8750 made for Socket 940. [3] This would be OPN-PIB HD875ZWCGHBOX, or OPN-Tray HD875ZWCJ3BGH. Anybody know if this is accurate? Hupasiyas ( talk) 01:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
So far as I can tell the 8450e (HD8450ODJ3BGH) and 8250e (HD8250ODJ3BGH) have been discontinued. If this can be confirmed it would be useful to add this to the table. -- 212.58.42.4 ( talk) 18:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I am confused by the Barcelona, Shanghai, Istanbul names. Someone knowledgeable cares to add this bit of info at the right place?
What are your opinions on creating two separate lists for Phenom (AM2+) and Phenom II (AM3 with a couple exceptions), and their respective Athlon/Athlon II equivalents? I think it's fair to say AMD treats them as separate brands in the same manner that Intel treats Core/Core 2/Core i? as separate ones. -- Vossanova o< 20:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The Athlon II 215 is likely a cut down Deneb and not a Regor, but there aren't any good sources which I could find.
Also there is a Denab based Athlon X2 Dual-Core Processor 5000+ which I know has been successfully unlocked to a full quad-core Deneb. There should be some mention here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stardude82 ( talk • contribs) 21:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
How come N36L is not listed? It is being shipped to end users for months now. -- Xerces8 ( talk) 08:45, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Phenom II P650 (HMP650SGR23GM) has other TDP listed here (35W, not 25). Maybe this affects other models too, I didn't check. 178.94.122.36 ( talk) 10:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Currently, the article intro describes only the first-generation Phenoms, which seems insufficient for a list of all K10 CPUs. It's also somewhat poorly written. 207.62.246.20 ( talk) 01:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
The 1075T BE should be removed. It is not an actual product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.143.25 ( talk) 19:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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Is there a reason why benchmark figures are not listed in any of the tables? I think the information, even if only indicative of approximate performance, would be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laczik ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
The mobile tables seem to lack coordination with those in other lists. 217.162.74.13 ( talk) 17:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC)