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I agree to delete the page, because no special thing(s) of Lion Air Flight 904, except the accident. Gsarwa ( talk) 13:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Disagree; it was a crash in the sea with no fatalities, that in itself is notable. As an incident in which a plane landed short of the runway, compare British Airways Flight 38, a similar incident which also has its own article. Jamie| C 17:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Disagree; Lion Air may get a lot of heat from this one. I wouldn't mind if Lion Air eventually folds, but this event might mark one of the milestones into making that happen. That, in light of stupid cost-cutting measures enforced by the most low-budget airline companies, would make it notable. Zoef1234 ( talk) 17:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
The article stated that "This is the first time in history of a modern passenger aircraft ditching in an open sea without any fatalities" without any citation, while the page at Water landing clearly mentioned several contradicting examples. Moreover, the further reading section of the Water landing page linked to http://www.equipped.com/ditchingmyths.htm, which contains statistical examination that refutes the claim. I'm removing the claim unless someone could provide a valid citation of the claim. 77.172.68.203 ( talk) 08:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I disagree it said in the history of Modern aviation which I would argue started with the DC-9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.70.111 ( talk) 09:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Mareklug would be right as The Hudson River is A controlled river not an Open Sea & Since 1996 There have only been three open sea ditchings those being: Ethiopian Airways Flight 961, Tutinair Flight 1153 & This flight, However this flight is the ONLY one that has had no deaths. 121.219.70.111 ( talk) 10:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I wrote "Since 1996" So Pan Am Flight 6 wouldn't count 121.219.70.111 ( talk) 15:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
There are so many problems with this I am not sure where to begin.
1. A 'ditching' refers to a planned water landing. There is no indication so far of any planning here. Most sources I have seen (like the AV Herald http://avherald.com/h?comment=460aeabb&opt=0) are calling this a CFIT (controlled flight into terrain), meaning the pilots missed the runway. Some sources, like the BBC ( http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/world/asia/plane-skids-into-water-at-airport-in-bali.html?_r=1&) have this listed as a runway overrun. NEITHER of these scenarios qualify as a ditching.
2. If it is a CFIT, then Japan Airlines Flight 2 is a jet that crashed in such a manner in the ocean with all survivors, so the claim of this being the only instance is faulty. If it is an overrun, then China Airlines Flight 605 (a much larger plane!) went into the ocean at old Kai Tak airport with no falities, so the claim is still faulty.
3. Using as the source of the statement a blog in which the main headline is "I built this site because George Bush and Barack Obama and their whore daughters imitated from my personal photos. Published photos of Dajjal are imitated from my pictures too" and is merely the personal blog of someone with copy-pasted Wiki articles is yeah, dubious.
Since the statement is demonstrably false using serveral sources including the Wikipedia artile on water landings, I am editing the page to remove both it and the dubious source. There are already so many misconceptions about water landings, let's not contribute to them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.103.30 ( talk • contribs)
An editor is insisting on adding an external link to a short Govindasamy-authored Flightglobal piece which brings nothing substantive to the article that the sources already used don't, plus it contains this misleading passage: He says that the initial reports indicate that the aircraft, which was on a scheduled service from Bandung to Bali, veered off the runway 50m before its end while landing and went into the sea.. Obviously, this is stale, false information that was issued originally and since retracted. The aircraft never reached the runway, so it could not have veered off of it. Some notable news outlets, including BBC, still report this as "runway overrun", which, again, is false information. I cannot engage in any more removal of this, as it would be edit-warring, so I am asking the community to handle it. It seems to me someone is pushing Flightglobal for some reason, despite any good reason to do so in this instant. -- Mareklug talk 10:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
-- Jetstreamer Talk 10:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I propose the addition of US Airways Flight 1549 due to the similarity in the outcome and the aircraft are of comparable size (100-200 passengers). I'm aware that the US Airways flight is dissimilar due it being a ditching and also the bird strike cause, but I feel that the similar outcomes warrants its inclusion.RoeRobber 00:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obersttseu ( talk • contribs)
I do not see a reason to include any weather report in this article, especially the METAR codes given that they do not provide useful information of weather at time of crash. The METAR is not adequately explained as described in WP:MOS. If the final investigation determined the weather to be a major contributor, I feel that we can include that information under the appropriate section. Obersttseu ( talk) 02:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
The picture depicted in the main article is a Boeing 737-900, not 737-800 (PK-LKS is a 737-800 , not 737-900). Could someone change it because I think it could cause a confusion.
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The final report into the accident has been released. Link is for Aviation Safety Network as the NTSC website seems not to be working. Mjroots ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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I agree to delete the page, because no special thing(s) of Lion Air Flight 904, except the accident. Gsarwa ( talk) 13:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Disagree; it was a crash in the sea with no fatalities, that in itself is notable. As an incident in which a plane landed short of the runway, compare British Airways Flight 38, a similar incident which also has its own article. Jamie| C 17:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Disagree; Lion Air may get a lot of heat from this one. I wouldn't mind if Lion Air eventually folds, but this event might mark one of the milestones into making that happen. That, in light of stupid cost-cutting measures enforced by the most low-budget airline companies, would make it notable. Zoef1234 ( talk) 17:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
The article stated that "This is the first time in history of a modern passenger aircraft ditching in an open sea without any fatalities" without any citation, while the page at Water landing clearly mentioned several contradicting examples. Moreover, the further reading section of the Water landing page linked to http://www.equipped.com/ditchingmyths.htm, which contains statistical examination that refutes the claim. I'm removing the claim unless someone could provide a valid citation of the claim. 77.172.68.203 ( talk) 08:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I disagree it said in the history of Modern aviation which I would argue started with the DC-9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.70.111 ( talk) 09:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Mareklug would be right as The Hudson River is A controlled river not an Open Sea & Since 1996 There have only been three open sea ditchings those being: Ethiopian Airways Flight 961, Tutinair Flight 1153 & This flight, However this flight is the ONLY one that has had no deaths. 121.219.70.111 ( talk) 10:32, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
I wrote "Since 1996" So Pan Am Flight 6 wouldn't count 121.219.70.111 ( talk) 15:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
There are so many problems with this I am not sure where to begin.
1. A 'ditching' refers to a planned water landing. There is no indication so far of any planning here. Most sources I have seen (like the AV Herald http://avherald.com/h?comment=460aeabb&opt=0) are calling this a CFIT (controlled flight into terrain), meaning the pilots missed the runway. Some sources, like the BBC ( http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/world/asia/plane-skids-into-water-at-airport-in-bali.html?_r=1&) have this listed as a runway overrun. NEITHER of these scenarios qualify as a ditching.
2. If it is a CFIT, then Japan Airlines Flight 2 is a jet that crashed in such a manner in the ocean with all survivors, so the claim of this being the only instance is faulty. If it is an overrun, then China Airlines Flight 605 (a much larger plane!) went into the ocean at old Kai Tak airport with no falities, so the claim is still faulty.
3. Using as the source of the statement a blog in which the main headline is "I built this site because George Bush and Barack Obama and their whore daughters imitated from my personal photos. Published photos of Dajjal are imitated from my pictures too" and is merely the personal blog of someone with copy-pasted Wiki articles is yeah, dubious.
Since the statement is demonstrably false using serveral sources including the Wikipedia artile on water landings, I am editing the page to remove both it and the dubious source. There are already so many misconceptions about water landings, let's not contribute to them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.103.30 ( talk • contribs)
An editor is insisting on adding an external link to a short Govindasamy-authored Flightglobal piece which brings nothing substantive to the article that the sources already used don't, plus it contains this misleading passage: He says that the initial reports indicate that the aircraft, which was on a scheduled service from Bandung to Bali, veered off the runway 50m before its end while landing and went into the sea.. Obviously, this is stale, false information that was issued originally and since retracted. The aircraft never reached the runway, so it could not have veered off of it. Some notable news outlets, including BBC, still report this as "runway overrun", which, again, is false information. I cannot engage in any more removal of this, as it would be edit-warring, so I am asking the community to handle it. It seems to me someone is pushing Flightglobal for some reason, despite any good reason to do so in this instant. -- Mareklug talk 10:38, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
-- Jetstreamer Talk 10:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I propose the addition of US Airways Flight 1549 due to the similarity in the outcome and the aircraft are of comparable size (100-200 passengers). I'm aware that the US Airways flight is dissimilar due it being a ditching and also the bird strike cause, but I feel that the similar outcomes warrants its inclusion.RoeRobber 00:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obersttseu ( talk • contribs)
I do not see a reason to include any weather report in this article, especially the METAR codes given that they do not provide useful information of weather at time of crash. The METAR is not adequately explained as described in WP:MOS. If the final investigation determined the weather to be a major contributor, I feel that we can include that information under the appropriate section. Obersttseu ( talk) 02:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
The picture depicted in the main article is a Boeing 737-900, not 737-800 (PK-LKS is a 737-800 , not 737-900). Could someone change it because I think it could cause a confusion.
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Johngabriel.ibay (
talk) 16:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)"
The final report into the accident has been released. Link is for Aviation Safety Network as the NTSC website seems not to be working. Mjroots ( talk) 20:15, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
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