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There are too many sections to read comfortably and find discussions of urheimats in general. Could we please break off the sections for each language family into their own articles and link them, leaving this page to discuss Urheimats in general and how they're discovered? -- Daviddwd ( talk) 03:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
In the first paragraph on Nilo-Saharan:
archaeological evidence and linguistic studies that argue for a Nilo-Saharan homeland in eastern Sudan before 6000 BCE, with subsequent migration events northward to the eastern Sahara, westward to the Chad Basin, and southeastward into Kenya and Tanzania.
The link goes to the country Sudan. The question is whether it needs to go to Sudan (region).
I don't have ready access to the cited work that would clarify the meaning:
Michael C. Campbell and Sarah A. Tishkoff, "The Evolution of Human Genetic and Phenotypic Variation in Africa," Current Biology, Volume 20, Issue 4, R166–R173, 23 February 2010
But from the directions given for the migrations, it may be inferred that Campbell & Tishkoff are really talking about eastern Sudan (region). The area of the border between Chad and Sudan: Ouaddaï– Wadi Fira– West Darfur. From there, the Libyan Desert, i.e. eastern Sahara, lies north; the Chad Basin is to the west; and Kenya and Tanzania lie southeast of there. Eastern Sudan the country doesn't fit as well. Johanna-Hypatia ( talk) 22:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Urheimat is fairly jargon-ish and as far as I can see the term "homeland" is more widely used. Since 2010 there are 6,000 Google Scholar results for homeland + language family [1] but only 320 for Urheimat + language family [2]. Would it be worth discussing a move to "Language family homeland" or something similar? – Thjarkur (talk) 13:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus above, so let's just go ahead. – Joe ( talk) 15:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC) – Joe ( talk) 15:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Urheimat → Linguistic homeland – As above, "homeland" is more commonly used and is more recognizable/ accessible to the general reader. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Following a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics#Linguistic homeland, Austronesier and I have started trimming the sections on the homelands of individual language families. The idea is to split or merge most verifiable material to either standalone articles like Proto-Indo-European homeland or sections of the article on the relevant language family, leaving this article with a concise list and/or a link to a separate list of linguistic homelands ( Wugapodes' suggestion). – Joe ( talk) 11:04, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
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With the longer sections trimmed, we can see that the list in #Homelands of major language families is very incomplete. Here's a to-do list of what we're missing, based on the "top-level families" listed by Glottolog:
The section is headed "major language families" (following the map in language family) so perhaps we won't want to include all or most of these, though I'm not sure what exactly 'major' means in this context. – Joe ( talk) 09:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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There are too many sections to read comfortably and find discussions of urheimats in general. Could we please break off the sections for each language family into their own articles and link them, leaving this page to discuss Urheimats in general and how they're discovered? -- Daviddwd ( talk) 03:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
In the first paragraph on Nilo-Saharan:
archaeological evidence and linguistic studies that argue for a Nilo-Saharan homeland in eastern Sudan before 6000 BCE, with subsequent migration events northward to the eastern Sahara, westward to the Chad Basin, and southeastward into Kenya and Tanzania.
The link goes to the country Sudan. The question is whether it needs to go to Sudan (region).
I don't have ready access to the cited work that would clarify the meaning:
Michael C. Campbell and Sarah A. Tishkoff, "The Evolution of Human Genetic and Phenotypic Variation in Africa," Current Biology, Volume 20, Issue 4, R166–R173, 23 February 2010
But from the directions given for the migrations, it may be inferred that Campbell & Tishkoff are really talking about eastern Sudan (region). The area of the border between Chad and Sudan: Ouaddaï– Wadi Fira– West Darfur. From there, the Libyan Desert, i.e. eastern Sahara, lies north; the Chad Basin is to the west; and Kenya and Tanzania lie southeast of there. Eastern Sudan the country doesn't fit as well. Johanna-Hypatia ( talk) 22:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Urheimat is fairly jargon-ish and as far as I can see the term "homeland" is more widely used. Since 2010 there are 6,000 Google Scholar results for homeland + language family [1] but only 320 for Urheimat + language family [2]. Would it be worth discussing a move to "Language family homeland" or something similar? – Thjarkur (talk) 13:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus above, so let's just go ahead. – Joe ( talk) 15:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC) – Joe ( talk) 15:46, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Urheimat → Linguistic homeland – As above, "homeland" is more commonly used and is more recognizable/ accessible to the general reader. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Following a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics#Linguistic homeland, Austronesier and I have started trimming the sections on the homelands of individual language families. The idea is to split or merge most verifiable material to either standalone articles like Proto-Indo-European homeland or sections of the article on the relevant language family, leaving this article with a concise list and/or a link to a separate list of linguistic homelands ( Wugapodes' suggestion). – Joe ( talk) 11:04, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
This section is pinned and will not be automatically archived. |
With the longer sections trimmed, we can see that the list in #Homelands of major language families is very incomplete. Here's a to-do list of what we're missing, based on the "top-level families" listed by Glottolog:
The section is headed "major language families" (following the map in language family) so perhaps we won't want to include all or most of these, though I'm not sure what exactly 'major' means in this context. – Joe ( talk) 09:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)