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I would rather use another source for the climate, given that the values cover only 4 years (april 2014 - march 2018). 4 years can't reflect the effective climate. Has anybody got a source which covers like 20 or more years? -- Casumattu ( talk) 10:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Lindos is renown in the country for being the warmest area nationally. Up until 15 years ago we had anecdotal references from locals and visitors (myself included) about how hot it can get in Lindos compared to the rest of the island but now we have the biggest research institute in the South Europe, the National Observatory of Athens confirming it. It's truly suffocating in the summer due to constant foehn winds blowing almost 24/7 in the SE Rhodes area. Here is an article from a Rhodes newspaper citing the data of the National Observatory of Athens with a title The warmest location of Greece is Lindos [1]. You can also verify the Meteoclub article very simply by running the Lindos data found here: [2] or by using the NOA bulletins [3]. Weatherextremes ( talk) 16:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh and btw here [4] is that article from NOA itself confirming Lindos is the hottest area of the country Weatherextremes ( talk) 17:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Given the multiple edits the climate section has received so far I propose we use the following wording and sources as a compromise:
Lindos is the warmest area in Greece [5] and according to the the data provided by National Observatory of Athens station, the past few years it registers a mean annual temperature of 21.9°C. [1] better source needed
Climate data for Lindos (2014-2021) | |||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) | 16.0 (60.8) |
17.2 (63.0) |
18.8 (65.8) |
22.4 (72.3) |
26.7 (80.1) |
31.3 (88.3) |
35.1 (95.2) |
35.1 (95.2) |
31.7 (89.1) |
26.7 (80.1) |
21.9 (71.4) |
18.1 (64.6) |
25.1 (77.2) |
Daily mean °C (°F) | 13.3 (55.9) |
14.5 (58.1) |
15.9 (60.6) |
19.0 (66.2) |
23.0 (73.4) |
27.5 (81.5) |
31.2 (88.2) |
31.4 (88.5) |
28.2 (82.8) |
23.7 (74.7) |
19.0 (66.2) |
15.5 (59.9) |
21.9 (71.4) |
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) | 10.8 (51.4) |
12.0 (53.6) |
13.1 (55.6) |
15.6 (60.1) |
19.4 (66.9) |
23.7 (74.7) |
27.3 (81.1) |
27.7 (81.9) |
24.7 (76.5) |
20.7 (69.3) |
16.5 (61.7) |
12.9 (55.2) |
18.7 (65.7) |
Average rainfall mm (inches) | 98.2 (3.87) |
82.9 (3.26) |
46.1 (1.81) |
13.1 (0.52) |
14.1 (0.56) |
3.1 (0.12) |
2.2 (0.09) |
0.0 (0.0) |
7.7 (0.30) |
22.8 (0.90) |
81.5 (3.21) |
93.7 (3.69) |
465.5 (18.33) |
Source: Meteoclub.gr [2] better source needed |
References
I have now deleted the irrelevant source (which was for Rhodes city). Also the source displays a 404 error and no data Weatherextremes ( talk) 00:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I am also adding verification of the Meteoclub data from Wayback Machine on Lindos station which will be much faster than going through the data month by month. Unfortunately, again some minor synthesis is required to calculate the mean for the entire period but it's a much more straightforward way to completely verify the Meteoclub article data:
Lindos, National Observatory of Athens Meteorological Station
2014 [10] 2015 [11] 2016 [12] 2017 [13] 2018 [14] and [15] 2019 [16] 2020 [17] 2021 [18]
Weatherextremes ( talk) 01:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Alternatively we could use the Wayback Machine link as the sole reference for the climate data. Removing the relevant tag:
Lindos is the warmest area in Greece [19] and according to the the data provided by National Observatory of Athens station, the past few years it registers a mean annual temperature of 21.9°C [20] Weatherextremes ( talk) 13:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I see its been 4 days and no response from anyone. So I will go ahead and add the balanced version I proposed.
Weatherextremes (
talk) 13:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Since @
Average Portuguese Joe: is reverting the proposed edit I want to address his
comment.
You make claims about 30 years average. This is a new station (there was never a weather station before 2014) do you have a non biased opinion why we should skip this data? The weather box clearly states the years measured so it is not misleading.
The
weather station of Lindos was set up by
NOA which is reliable I don't see why being part of WMO is necessary (I guess it will be added in the future). You can find information about the standards of the weather station
here. You are right that the weather station doesn't provide averages but I tried to confirm the validity of the results. I am not sure what is the best approach here however you are free to check all the results on your own starting from
here.
As far as I know these are the best and the only sources that exist regarding that part of Rhodes. The reports about Lindos being the hottest city in Greece have been generated by
NOA which is a reputable source.
On a side note you can find some funny and exaggerated reports of tourists that visited Lindos on
tripadvisor, obviously I am not using this to prove anything but I am leaving it here.
Lastly I want to state that I don't know Weatherextremes and I am in now way affiliated with him I am just from Rhodes and know very well the climate here. So please I don't want any ridiculous accusations that started
here to continue by anyone.
FactDistributor (
talk) 21:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Average Portuguese Joe: Stop reverting the new version. You are the only one objecting to the new version while myself and the Rhodes editor agree on it. I have allowed 4 days (5 days now) for people to express their opinion. I have already warned you Weatherextremes ( talk) 09:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok I inferred you were in agreement with my new proposed climate section TechnicianGB since you did not object to it for four days. I see now that you raise an issue with the Wayback Machine source. As you will notice I have provided the breakdown per year and according to what is not synth here: [21] it could be used as a summary. The source that you claim is reliable for Lindos is not! This has been pointed out twice. The source does not list years of data because it is NOT from Lindos. Most probably the data are for Rhodes city and this weather box should go as inaccurate. Weatherextremes ( talk) 15:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@
TechnicianGB:
Just count my opinion as anyone else's.
I think the link you provided has some obvious inaccuracies.
For
Rhodes it shows 3704.13 yearly sunshine hours, for
Almeria
3687.32 and for
Faro 3428.54
I think for all the previous cities this data is incorrect (way too high). Additionally your link shows Rhodes has 19.6 mean annual temperature and Lindos 18.9, given the previous references this is inaccurate. Finally Lindos is that much warmer than other places of the island and some people who live there on summer prefer to live in some other village nearby to avoid the intense heat.
I would prefer if your link is removed and we can have a climate section without any data (until a consensus is reached), since no data is better than wrong data.
Because I find the subject of arguing about climate really trivial, the last edit war we had was my first and my last, I also find it really tiring and time consuming. I am just adding my opinion here and I hope you will not consider it any less than someone else's because my account is new.
FactDistributor (
talk) 16:10, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I agree FactDistributor. This source is not reliable for Lindos. I will add in-text the two new sources and I will refrain from reinstating the Meteoclub source until we hear back from someone else. I will not remove the climate.org source just yet. Even though TechnicianGB also suggested that the source is not particularly reliable. But we will need to remove it sooner or later Weatherextremes ( talk) 21:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I have also compared the means between Lindos and Tenerife as per the article. For Tenerife I have used the source here: [25]. It appears that the mean mentioned on Meteoclub for Tenerife is also verified. From my calculations the mean annual T for Tenerife from ogimet is 21.86C vs 21.89C for Lindos for the same period (2014-2021). I understand of course this is WP:SYNTH but I am just leaving it here to confirm that again Meteoclub's data are correct. Weatherextremes ( talk) 19:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Should the meteorological data found here: [26] be used for the weather box of this article? Weatherextremes ( talk) 18:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
I have now removed the climate.org dubious data. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. The source from climate.org is not reliable. Also one source says for 2015, the other source mentions no year. Also the station in not in the centre of Lindos. So I have edited a better version. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:19, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Also i see you are the only one wanting the climate.org source (even though you said it is not very reliable), while already two users disagreed. So I see a consensus in not including it. Below one more source from 2019 clearly stating that the mean annual temperature in Lindos is 21.4C [27] so we might need to use this one as well. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I added some information regarding the mean annual temperature of Lindos for the period 2014-2021 + some misc info. As I read this is a routine calculation and isn't an original research
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:No_original_research#Routine_calculations and it is completely verifiable. The only issue is that the user has to select Lindos from the Link since the query is done with ASP.net and there is no other way I know now to reference it directly. You can reference individual months by changing the date
http://meteosearch.meteo.gr/data/lindos/2021-04.txt
As I see this is also not synthesis
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:What_SYNTH_is_not#SYNTH_is_not_numerical_summarization
If I am breaking any rules feel free to reference wikipedia to the appropriate section. Additionally the mean with Davis is 21.62C and the simple mean is 21.935C, I said over 21.5 to cover both.
FactDistributor (
talk) 18:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
References
On a different note Lindos has just done the impossible and tied the European highest Tmin record for August with 34.0C [34] and is on track to break it in a few hours time. I am expecting it will start to be reported in various reputable sources before I add it to the article.
Well I will first wait to see if it breaks it later today Weatherextremes ( talk) 21:29, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I think this one will be confirmed in a couple of days.Indeed a 33C mean monthly T is more akin to Red Sea areas. Here is the source [35]. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Ι have now added in the article the Dimokratiki newspaper source regarding the European record registered in Lindos Weatherextremes ( talk) 15:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Tlepolemus is a mythical figure, so I have added "According to myth" to the first sentence of the History section. Someone with more knowledge should separate myth from known history. 88.96.79.115 ( talk) 19:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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I would rather use another source for the climate, given that the values cover only 4 years (april 2014 - march 2018). 4 years can't reflect the effective climate. Has anybody got a source which covers like 20 or more years? -- Casumattu ( talk) 10:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Lindos is renown in the country for being the warmest area nationally. Up until 15 years ago we had anecdotal references from locals and visitors (myself included) about how hot it can get in Lindos compared to the rest of the island but now we have the biggest research institute in the South Europe, the National Observatory of Athens confirming it. It's truly suffocating in the summer due to constant foehn winds blowing almost 24/7 in the SE Rhodes area. Here is an article from a Rhodes newspaper citing the data of the National Observatory of Athens with a title The warmest location of Greece is Lindos [1]. You can also verify the Meteoclub article very simply by running the Lindos data found here: [2] or by using the NOA bulletins [3]. Weatherextremes ( talk) 16:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh and btw here [4] is that article from NOA itself confirming Lindos is the hottest area of the country Weatherextremes ( talk) 17:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Given the multiple edits the climate section has received so far I propose we use the following wording and sources as a compromise:
Lindos is the warmest area in Greece [5] and according to the the data provided by National Observatory of Athens station, the past few years it registers a mean annual temperature of 21.9°C. [1] better source needed
Climate data for Lindos (2014-2021) | |||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) | 16.0 (60.8) |
17.2 (63.0) |
18.8 (65.8) |
22.4 (72.3) |
26.7 (80.1) |
31.3 (88.3) |
35.1 (95.2) |
35.1 (95.2) |
31.7 (89.1) |
26.7 (80.1) |
21.9 (71.4) |
18.1 (64.6) |
25.1 (77.2) |
Daily mean °C (°F) | 13.3 (55.9) |
14.5 (58.1) |
15.9 (60.6) |
19.0 (66.2) |
23.0 (73.4) |
27.5 (81.5) |
31.2 (88.2) |
31.4 (88.5) |
28.2 (82.8) |
23.7 (74.7) |
19.0 (66.2) |
15.5 (59.9) |
21.9 (71.4) |
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) | 10.8 (51.4) |
12.0 (53.6) |
13.1 (55.6) |
15.6 (60.1) |
19.4 (66.9) |
23.7 (74.7) |
27.3 (81.1) |
27.7 (81.9) |
24.7 (76.5) |
20.7 (69.3) |
16.5 (61.7) |
12.9 (55.2) |
18.7 (65.7) |
Average rainfall mm (inches) | 98.2 (3.87) |
82.9 (3.26) |
46.1 (1.81) |
13.1 (0.52) |
14.1 (0.56) |
3.1 (0.12) |
2.2 (0.09) |
0.0 (0.0) |
7.7 (0.30) |
22.8 (0.90) |
81.5 (3.21) |
93.7 (3.69) |
465.5 (18.33) |
Source: Meteoclub.gr [2] better source needed |
References
I have now deleted the irrelevant source (which was for Rhodes city). Also the source displays a 404 error and no data Weatherextremes ( talk) 00:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I am also adding verification of the Meteoclub data from Wayback Machine on Lindos station which will be much faster than going through the data month by month. Unfortunately, again some minor synthesis is required to calculate the mean for the entire period but it's a much more straightforward way to completely verify the Meteoclub article data:
Lindos, National Observatory of Athens Meteorological Station
2014 [10] 2015 [11] 2016 [12] 2017 [13] 2018 [14] and [15] 2019 [16] 2020 [17] 2021 [18]
Weatherextremes ( talk) 01:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Alternatively we could use the Wayback Machine link as the sole reference for the climate data. Removing the relevant tag:
Lindos is the warmest area in Greece [19] and according to the the data provided by National Observatory of Athens station, the past few years it registers a mean annual temperature of 21.9°C [20] Weatherextremes ( talk) 13:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I see its been 4 days and no response from anyone. So I will go ahead and add the balanced version I proposed.
Weatherextremes (
talk) 13:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Since @
Average Portuguese Joe: is reverting the proposed edit I want to address his
comment.
You make claims about 30 years average. This is a new station (there was never a weather station before 2014) do you have a non biased opinion why we should skip this data? The weather box clearly states the years measured so it is not misleading.
The
weather station of Lindos was set up by
NOA which is reliable I don't see why being part of WMO is necessary (I guess it will be added in the future). You can find information about the standards of the weather station
here. You are right that the weather station doesn't provide averages but I tried to confirm the validity of the results. I am not sure what is the best approach here however you are free to check all the results on your own starting from
here.
As far as I know these are the best and the only sources that exist regarding that part of Rhodes. The reports about Lindos being the hottest city in Greece have been generated by
NOA which is a reputable source.
On a side note you can find some funny and exaggerated reports of tourists that visited Lindos on
tripadvisor, obviously I am not using this to prove anything but I am leaving it here.
Lastly I want to state that I don't know Weatherextremes and I am in now way affiliated with him I am just from Rhodes and know very well the climate here. So please I don't want any ridiculous accusations that started
here to continue by anyone.
FactDistributor (
talk) 21:48, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Average Portuguese Joe: Stop reverting the new version. You are the only one objecting to the new version while myself and the Rhodes editor agree on it. I have allowed 4 days (5 days now) for people to express their opinion. I have already warned you Weatherextremes ( talk) 09:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok I inferred you were in agreement with my new proposed climate section TechnicianGB since you did not object to it for four days. I see now that you raise an issue with the Wayback Machine source. As you will notice I have provided the breakdown per year and according to what is not synth here: [21] it could be used as a summary. The source that you claim is reliable for Lindos is not! This has been pointed out twice. The source does not list years of data because it is NOT from Lindos. Most probably the data are for Rhodes city and this weather box should go as inaccurate. Weatherextremes ( talk) 15:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@
TechnicianGB:
Just count my opinion as anyone else's.
I think the link you provided has some obvious inaccuracies.
For
Rhodes it shows 3704.13 yearly sunshine hours, for
Almeria
3687.32 and for
Faro 3428.54
I think for all the previous cities this data is incorrect (way too high). Additionally your link shows Rhodes has 19.6 mean annual temperature and Lindos 18.9, given the previous references this is inaccurate. Finally Lindos is that much warmer than other places of the island and some people who live there on summer prefer to live in some other village nearby to avoid the intense heat.
I would prefer if your link is removed and we can have a climate section without any data (until a consensus is reached), since no data is better than wrong data.
Because I find the subject of arguing about climate really trivial, the last edit war we had was my first and my last, I also find it really tiring and time consuming. I am just adding my opinion here and I hope you will not consider it any less than someone else's because my account is new.
FactDistributor (
talk) 16:10, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I agree FactDistributor. This source is not reliable for Lindos. I will add in-text the two new sources and I will refrain from reinstating the Meteoclub source until we hear back from someone else. I will not remove the climate.org source just yet. Even though TechnicianGB also suggested that the source is not particularly reliable. But we will need to remove it sooner or later Weatherextremes ( talk) 21:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I have also compared the means between Lindos and Tenerife as per the article. For Tenerife I have used the source here: [25]. It appears that the mean mentioned on Meteoclub for Tenerife is also verified. From my calculations the mean annual T for Tenerife from ogimet is 21.86C vs 21.89C for Lindos for the same period (2014-2021). I understand of course this is WP:SYNTH but I am just leaving it here to confirm that again Meteoclub's data are correct. Weatherextremes ( talk) 19:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Should the meteorological data found here: [26] be used for the weather box of this article? Weatherextremes ( talk) 18:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
I have now removed the climate.org dubious data. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:01, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
I disagree. The source from climate.org is not reliable. Also one source says for 2015, the other source mentions no year. Also the station in not in the centre of Lindos. So I have edited a better version. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:19, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Also i see you are the only one wanting the climate.org source (even though you said it is not very reliable), while already two users disagreed. So I see a consensus in not including it. Below one more source from 2019 clearly stating that the mean annual temperature in Lindos is 21.4C [27] so we might need to use this one as well. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I added some information regarding the mean annual temperature of Lindos for the period 2014-2021 + some misc info. As I read this is a routine calculation and isn't an original research
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:No_original_research#Routine_calculations and it is completely verifiable. The only issue is that the user has to select Lindos from the Link since the query is done with ASP.net and there is no other way I know now to reference it directly. You can reference individual months by changing the date
http://meteosearch.meteo.gr/data/lindos/2021-04.txt
As I see this is also not synthesis
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:What_SYNTH_is_not#SYNTH_is_not_numerical_summarization
If I am breaking any rules feel free to reference wikipedia to the appropriate section. Additionally the mean with Davis is 21.62C and the simple mean is 21.935C, I said over 21.5 to cover both.
FactDistributor (
talk) 18:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
References
On a different note Lindos has just done the impossible and tied the European highest Tmin record for August with 34.0C [34] and is on track to break it in a few hours time. I am expecting it will start to be reported in various reputable sources before I add it to the article.
Well I will first wait to see if it breaks it later today Weatherextremes ( talk) 21:29, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
I think this one will be confirmed in a couple of days.Indeed a 33C mean monthly T is more akin to Red Sea areas. Here is the source [35]. Weatherextremes ( talk) 14:53, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Ι have now added in the article the Dimokratiki newspaper source regarding the European record registered in Lindos Weatherextremes ( talk) 15:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Tlepolemus is a mythical figure, so I have added "According to myth" to the first sentence of the History section. Someone with more knowledge should separate myth from known history. 88.96.79.115 ( talk) 19:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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