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Did you know... that limpa, a sweet Scandinavian rye bread, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's
wort?
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Hi
Spudlace, welcome to DYK! Your article is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, and no close paraphrasing seen. However, the references need to be formatted with dates and publication information; see
WP:Citation templates. It would be nice to add an image to the article; have you taken one yourself, or found one on Flickr?
The hooks are not really "hooky" – they are just statements of fact. Adding a little more detail to your article, or using creative wording in the hook, will help. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
Yoninah (
talk)
15:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Yoninah Thank you for the review. I'll do the templates tonight and I see that you've already added a photo. About the hook - I thought the second one was more "hooky" than the first, although perhaps a better hook for wort than for limpa. Would this be better:
Most readers will have no idea what you're talking about. Can you add any more interesting detail from your sources, which would help you find an interesting angle for the hook?
Yoninah (
talk)
19:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
I think it's interesting that it was leavened with wort which is not a common way to leaven breads anymore. Let me see what else I can find.
Spudlace (
talk)
19:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
So you could add more to that hook, like:
ALT1a: ... that limpa bread, a sweet Scandinavian staple, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's
wort? -- (the part about being a Scandinavian staple is not mentioned or sourced in the article, but you could add that or any other identifying phrase).
Yoninah (
talk)
19:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
The SDSU extension paper says it 'must always be included' in the Christmas smorgasbord served in Scandinavian homes (not just Swedish). We could change it to:
I like "sweet Scandinavian spice bread", there are sources for "spice bread" or "spice loaf" that I added as inline cites to the article.
Spudlace (
talk)
22:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Sorry, your first line is going off in a new direction. Limpa is a Scandinavian rye bread. It is sweetened with brown sugar, etc., and has the addition of spices.
Yoninah (
talk)
22:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you, everything looks good now. You can pull hook facts from different parts of your article, as long as each is cited. ALT1b hook refs verified and cited inline. ALT1b good to go.
Yoninah (
talk)
22:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Interwiki links
If this is a traditional Scandinavian bread, then it should have interwiki links to Nordic language Wikipedias. However I am unable to find any.
sv:Limpa is a disambiguation page, with the closest (and only really appropriate) entry being
sv:brödlimpa, but that is a redirect to
sv:bröd, as "brödlimpa" just means "loaf of bread" in Swedish. There is a Finnish article
fi:limppu, and the Finnish and Swedish cuisines are very similar to each other but not exactly identical, but it looks like they are different kinds of bread after all.
JIP |
Talk00:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
You mean
sv:vörtbröd, not
sv:vörtlimpa (which doesn't exist). I tried to link this article to
sv:vörtbröd on Wikidata but got an error that they are separate entities on Wikidata and I don't know how to merge them. Anyway this article is already linked to
ru:Лимпа on the Russian Wikipedia, and although I don't understand Russian, I can read that "Лимпа" reads "Limpa" in Cyrillic.
JIP |
Talk15:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Limpa is a general term for loaf, not specifically of rye bread
The article is wrong. "Limpa" is the Swedish word for "loaf", it is not a term used to describe a specific type of rye bread. If anything its more common to use it for other types of bread.
147.28.73.169 (
talk)
13:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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Oppose per
WP:NCUE unless there is other evidence showing that the proposed term is the
WP:COMMONNAME in English. The image can be corrected if necessary, but the sources for this article suggest that "limpa" is the term used in English regardless of whether the term is correct in Swedish. Note that before a few edits ago, the beginning of the article
explained this correctly, stating "Limpa (Swedish for loaf) is a sweet Scandinavian
rye bread, associated with
Swedish cuisine" but not arguing that this word is used to refer to this kind of bread in Swedish. The first cite on that sentence also backs up this usage in English.
Dekimasuよ!13:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. I've never encountered the term limpa in English (or seen this type of bread sold in the UK where I spent a couple of years), but the Swedish word basically means
loaf and is used for this shape and size for any type of bread. (See
Here is
SAOB for etymology.) Shortening vörtlimpa (which today would be a more informal designation than vörtbröd) to limpa therefore simply isn't correct, since it no longer indicates the type of bread, only the shape. But it could be used in everyday talk, such as "do you want another slice of the limpa?", when you don't need to specify the type of bread. It seems obvious that the newspaper sources in the article haven't understood this distinction. The lead could include vörtlimpa as a synonym to indicate this.
Tomas e (
talk)
08:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose: sourcing appears to indicate a common English usage of limpa to describe this type of bread. While the specific type of bread has a far more accurate name in its native Swedish, the American English word for this seems to now be the generic limpa. The limited academic sourcing appears to support this. ~
Pbritti (
talk)
14:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Limpa is not vörtbröd.
Limpa means loaf in Swedish and is a description of shape rather than a specific type of bread. There is e.g. köttfärslimpa which is the name for meat loaf. Another example is a limpa cigaretter which is a large box of cigarette packages. A brödlimpa can be any type of bread shaped as a loaf.
195.41.8.204 (
talk)
10:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
A fact from Limpa appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 October 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that limpa, a sweet Scandinavian rye bread, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's
wort?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
food and
drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Hi
Spudlace, welcome to DYK! Your article is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, and no close paraphrasing seen. However, the references need to be formatted with dates and publication information; see
WP:Citation templates. It would be nice to add an image to the article; have you taken one yourself, or found one on Flickr?
The hooks are not really "hooky" – they are just statements of fact. Adding a little more detail to your article, or using creative wording in the hook, will help. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
Yoninah (
talk)
15:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Yoninah Thank you for the review. I'll do the templates tonight and I see that you've already added a photo. About the hook - I thought the second one was more "hooky" than the first, although perhaps a better hook for wort than for limpa. Would this be better:
Most readers will have no idea what you're talking about. Can you add any more interesting detail from your sources, which would help you find an interesting angle for the hook?
Yoninah (
talk)
19:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
I think it's interesting that it was leavened with wort which is not a common way to leaven breads anymore. Let me see what else I can find.
Spudlace (
talk)
19:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
So you could add more to that hook, like:
ALT1a: ... that limpa bread, a sweet Scandinavian staple, was historically leavened with fermented brewer's
wort? -- (the part about being a Scandinavian staple is not mentioned or sourced in the article, but you could add that or any other identifying phrase).
Yoninah (
talk)
19:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
The SDSU extension paper says it 'must always be included' in the Christmas smorgasbord served in Scandinavian homes (not just Swedish). We could change it to:
I like "sweet Scandinavian spice bread", there are sources for "spice bread" or "spice loaf" that I added as inline cites to the article.
Spudlace (
talk)
22:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Sorry, your first line is going off in a new direction. Limpa is a Scandinavian rye bread. It is sweetened with brown sugar, etc., and has the addition of spices.
Yoninah (
talk)
22:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Thank you, everything looks good now. You can pull hook facts from different parts of your article, as long as each is cited. ALT1b hook refs verified and cited inline. ALT1b good to go.
Yoninah (
talk)
22:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Interwiki links
If this is a traditional Scandinavian bread, then it should have interwiki links to Nordic language Wikipedias. However I am unable to find any.
sv:Limpa is a disambiguation page, with the closest (and only really appropriate) entry being
sv:brödlimpa, but that is a redirect to
sv:bröd, as "brödlimpa" just means "loaf of bread" in Swedish. There is a Finnish article
fi:limppu, and the Finnish and Swedish cuisines are very similar to each other but not exactly identical, but it looks like they are different kinds of bread after all.
JIP |
Talk00:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)reply
You mean
sv:vörtbröd, not
sv:vörtlimpa (which doesn't exist). I tried to link this article to
sv:vörtbröd on Wikidata but got an error that they are separate entities on Wikidata and I don't know how to merge them. Anyway this article is already linked to
ru:Лимпа on the Russian Wikipedia, and although I don't understand Russian, I can read that "Лимпа" reads "Limpa" in Cyrillic.
JIP |
Talk15:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Limpa is a general term for loaf, not specifically of rye bread
The article is wrong. "Limpa" is the Swedish word for "loaf", it is not a term used to describe a specific type of rye bread. If anything its more common to use it for other types of bread.
147.28.73.169 (
talk)
13:06, 15 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose per
WP:NCUE unless there is other evidence showing that the proposed term is the
WP:COMMONNAME in English. The image can be corrected if necessary, but the sources for this article suggest that "limpa" is the term used in English regardless of whether the term is correct in Swedish. Note that before a few edits ago, the beginning of the article
explained this correctly, stating "Limpa (Swedish for loaf) is a sweet Scandinavian
rye bread, associated with
Swedish cuisine" but not arguing that this word is used to refer to this kind of bread in Swedish. The first cite on that sentence also backs up this usage in English.
Dekimasuよ!13:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. I've never encountered the term limpa in English (or seen this type of bread sold in the UK where I spent a couple of years), but the Swedish word basically means
loaf and is used for this shape and size for any type of bread. (See
Here is
SAOB for etymology.) Shortening vörtlimpa (which today would be a more informal designation than vörtbröd) to limpa therefore simply isn't correct, since it no longer indicates the type of bread, only the shape. But it could be used in everyday talk, such as "do you want another slice of the limpa?", when you don't need to specify the type of bread. It seems obvious that the newspaper sources in the article haven't understood this distinction. The lead could include vörtlimpa as a synonym to indicate this.
Tomas e (
talk)
08:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose: sourcing appears to indicate a common English usage of limpa to describe this type of bread. While the specific type of bread has a far more accurate name in its native Swedish, the American English word for this seems to now be the generic limpa. The limited academic sourcing appears to support this. ~
Pbritti (
talk)
14:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Limpa is not vörtbröd.
Limpa means loaf in Swedish and is a description of shape rather than a specific type of bread. There is e.g. köttfärslimpa which is the name for meat loaf. Another example is a limpa cigaretter which is a large box of cigarette packages. A brödlimpa can be any type of bread shaped as a loaf.
195.41.8.204 (
talk)
10:17, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply