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Having said that, if the controversy is correct then the developers are going to be having trouble showing fair use too. Bamboo marimba ( talk) 14:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
seeing as this is what this game is swiftly becoming shall we mention the meme qualities of it? there is one website even holding a competition to make the best background. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.185.60 ( talk) 12:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
There is plenty of murmuring that this may all be a hoax / viral marketing. As of this writing, no person partaking in forum discussions on this saga has received a copy of the game. The publisher issuing statements and webstores de-listing the game could be seen as evidence against the idea that this is all a hoax. Regardless, the search for further sources appears to have become something of a passtime for many. ZeBoxx ( talk) 15:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, there is now a claim by someone in the neogaf.com forum thread that a copy has been delivered in the post. Fcw ( talk) 19:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I have added several [citation needed] tags for items for which I don't recall any source. I'm putting together a comparison table see below), and although I have sources for many of the allegations - including screenshots / etc. - there are others that are iffy and/or I can find no source for. Could others jump in and add source citations where appropriate? ZeBoxx ( talk) 14:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
The following lists (alleged) infringements:
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15:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you have no references for Enclave, here are a couple
Valacan ( talk) 18:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
"Other scenes appear to be taken from live action films"... Since when are movies shot LIVE? -- 84.250.188.136 ( talk) 18:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The list of games that Limbo apparently stole from needs more sourcing than it currently has. Especially when you consider that this is an ongoing issue. I can see some problems arising if we allow people to randomly include a game without further support for what was stolen. Don't know what sources are available beyond the major gaming news outlets...but I think unless there are sources the list needs to be removed (and replaced with a simple description of the overall issue with links to appropriate sources). -- TRTX T / C 12:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I was the one who added Enclave as a game it took from, but submitted no proof. That's because my antivirus wont let me start the game (thinks the copy protection is a virus) so I cant get screenshots.
If anyone is interested, here are the Limbo shots in question:
http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/b1/b141ade5bb20e85d76fd89bca67a4f5365268684.png#via=salr
Pause this video at 4:33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6vXZ8WUjg&feature=related
That's example #1
Another one:
http://waffleimages.nwpshost.com/files/c2/c2125dc0ad8166e4e816bb7d4062485cc968df64.png#via=salr
This part of Limbo is taken exactly from the level "The Great Wall" in Enclave, it's the room above the gate to the town. If anyone has the game they can get a shot of that room for a comparison —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuffums ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to put only this fact (and for my language, not my natural language, I' m french) but for what I've understood of the plot of this game, the story tells about 2 anthropomorphic divinities "fighting" some sort of cosmic game in which mortal are peons : the "Fate" and the "Destiny". Quite disturbing I first thought, fate and destiny being quite synonymous to me. But then it made me remember of the Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" universe and specially of the first book "the colour of magic" in which 2 anthropomorphic divinities fight in a game in which mortal are peons : "the Lady" ("goddess" of the statistically improbable and almost impossible") and "the Fate" ("god" of the inevitability). I' ve not played the game yet, but for what I' ve understood, the game plot is quite similar to the book story (also in the scene background and finality, 2 entities in a room standing over a boardgame representing a smaller version of the world whith all the details, arguing about fatality and free will and watching event in which they interfere from far away) so I would like to ask you what you think ? Could the developpers have plagiarized some books too ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.113.152.50 ( talk) 06:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
User:124.191.139.167 believes that the plagiarism in LotL was "controversial" - and therefore re-cats the article from Category:Plagiarism to Category:Plagiarism controversies (which I have more than once reverted). I don't see why this was a "controversy" - nobody doubted that it was plagiarism. Wiktionary says that the word "controversy" means "a debate or discussion of opposing opinions". So for a plagiarism incident to be "controversial", there would have to be a bunch of people saying that it's not plagiarism and a bunch saying that it is. Since absolutely everyone agreed that the plagiarism was self-evident, and not one person denied it - there is no evidence of such controversy - it does not belong in that category. Since plagiarism (once exposed) is typically hard to deny - it's only very rarely controversial. SteveBaker ( talk) 19:54, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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In the development section an interview with Bovis cited which claims he learned how code. However if you look at his over 400 posts on the Winter Mute forum you can clearly see that he didn't even understand the basics. He repeatedly asks how write basic code, practically relying on the goodwill of the community to get the game coded. Is this worth mentioning somehow?
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The article states that the North American version came out on June 2nd, but I can't find the source of this information. Is there a credible source? 185.218.158.34 ( talk) 10:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Having said that, if the controversy is correct then the developers are going to be having trouble showing fair use too. Bamboo marimba ( talk) 14:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
seeing as this is what this game is swiftly becoming shall we mention the meme qualities of it? there is one website even holding a competition to make the best background. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.185.60 ( talk) 12:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
There is plenty of murmuring that this may all be a hoax / viral marketing. As of this writing, no person partaking in forum discussions on this saga has received a copy of the game. The publisher issuing statements and webstores de-listing the game could be seen as evidence against the idea that this is all a hoax. Regardless, the search for further sources appears to have become something of a passtime for many. ZeBoxx ( talk) 15:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, there is now a claim by someone in the neogaf.com forum thread that a copy has been delivered in the post. Fcw ( talk) 19:18, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I have added several [citation needed] tags for items for which I don't recall any source. I'm putting together a comparison table see below), and although I have sources for many of the allegations - including screenshots / etc. - there are others that are iffy and/or I can find no source for. Could others jump in and add source citations where appropriate? ZeBoxx ( talk) 14:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
The following lists (alleged) infringements:
ZeBoxx (
talk)
15:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you have no references for Enclave, here are a couple
Valacan ( talk) 18:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
"Other scenes appear to be taken from live action films"... Since when are movies shot LIVE? -- 84.250.188.136 ( talk) 18:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The list of games that Limbo apparently stole from needs more sourcing than it currently has. Especially when you consider that this is an ongoing issue. I can see some problems arising if we allow people to randomly include a game without further support for what was stolen. Don't know what sources are available beyond the major gaming news outlets...but I think unless there are sources the list needs to be removed (and replaced with a simple description of the overall issue with links to appropriate sources). -- TRTX T / C 12:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I was the one who added Enclave as a game it took from, but submitted no proof. That's because my antivirus wont let me start the game (thinks the copy protection is a virus) so I cant get screenshots.
If anyone is interested, here are the Limbo shots in question:
http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/b1/b141ade5bb20e85d76fd89bca67a4f5365268684.png#via=salr
Pause this video at 4:33: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6vXZ8WUjg&feature=related
That's example #1
Another one:
http://waffleimages.nwpshost.com/files/c2/c2125dc0ad8166e4e816bb7d4062485cc968df64.png#via=salr
This part of Limbo is taken exactly from the level "The Great Wall" in Enclave, it's the room above the gate to the town. If anyone has the game they can get a shot of that room for a comparison —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuffums ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to put only this fact (and for my language, not my natural language, I' m french) but for what I've understood of the plot of this game, the story tells about 2 anthropomorphic divinities "fighting" some sort of cosmic game in which mortal are peons : the "Fate" and the "Destiny". Quite disturbing I first thought, fate and destiny being quite synonymous to me. But then it made me remember of the Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" universe and specially of the first book "the colour of magic" in which 2 anthropomorphic divinities fight in a game in which mortal are peons : "the Lady" ("goddess" of the statistically improbable and almost impossible") and "the Fate" ("god" of the inevitability). I' ve not played the game yet, but for what I' ve understood, the game plot is quite similar to the book story (also in the scene background and finality, 2 entities in a room standing over a boardgame representing a smaller version of the world whith all the details, arguing about fatality and free will and watching event in which they interfere from far away) so I would like to ask you what you think ? Could the developpers have plagiarized some books too ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.113.152.50 ( talk) 06:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
User:124.191.139.167 believes that the plagiarism in LotL was "controversial" - and therefore re-cats the article from Category:Plagiarism to Category:Plagiarism controversies (which I have more than once reverted). I don't see why this was a "controversy" - nobody doubted that it was plagiarism. Wiktionary says that the word "controversy" means "a debate or discussion of opposing opinions". So for a plagiarism incident to be "controversial", there would have to be a bunch of people saying that it's not plagiarism and a bunch saying that it is. Since absolutely everyone agreed that the plagiarism was self-evident, and not one person denied it - there is no evidence of such controversy - it does not belong in that category. Since plagiarism (once exposed) is typically hard to deny - it's only very rarely controversial. SteveBaker ( talk) 19:54, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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In the development section an interview with Bovis cited which claims he learned how code. However if you look at his over 400 posts on the Winter Mute forum you can clearly see that he didn't even understand the basics. He repeatedly asks how write basic code, practically relying on the goodwill of the community to get the game coded. Is this worth mentioning somehow?
http://forum.dead-code.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=baedd9b7e0dc9304e57b028a07b74322&action=profile;area=showposts;u=157 61.12.248.187 ( talk) 03:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
The article states that the North American version came out on June 2nd, but I can't find the source of this information. Is there a credible source? 185.218.158.34 ( talk) 10:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)