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With thanks to whoever added the reference to my organisation, Conservatives for Liberty, in this piece - I have an edit to request. The description is incorrect:
"while Conservatives for Liberty is a campaign group promoting the libertarian-leaning Thatcherite wing of the party within Conservative Future."
We are not Thatcherite and do not claim to be. The link used as a reference (About - http://con4lib.com/mission/) does not mention us being Thatcherite. Instead, we are libertarian and classical liberal. There are a bunch of descriptors on that page you can choose from: libertarian, socially liberal, free market, capitalism, individualism etc.
The reference to Conservative Future is also incorrect. We are part of the broader Conservative movement, and though we campaign to move the Conservative Party in a more libertarian direction, we are NOT affiliated. We are independent. Conservative Future is the youth wing of the party, and we do not confine ourselves to that.
I would suggest:
"while Conservatives for Liberty is a campaign group which seeks to move the Conservative Party in a libertarian direction."
It's worth noting that further up the page under 'Relationship with the Conservative Party' an editor has again confused libertarianism and Thatcherism, describing Conservative Way Forward as libertarian when they are actually Thatcherite. 2.219.70.173 ( talk) 19:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The pre-discussion at Talk:Libertarian Party (United Kingdom) was uniformly positive, and since then there have been no objections, so can we go ahead? Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 16:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
89.242.175.59 and 89.242.175.59 are clearly trying to promote whoever "Thistle" is. A Google search for <"Thomas Thistlethwaite" cambridge> produces just 5 hits, all about a 19th century figure. This student candidate is clearly not "prominent" in any way. Fig ( talk) 09:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Some very strange student at Caius (yes, the aforementioned Thistle) is currently having something of an ego-trip. Rest assured that he has been in trouble with the computer office before and will be dealt with in a stricter fashion this time. 131.111.139.102 ( talk) 23:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Libertarianism#United_Kingdom is longer and better than this article. This article should have the best content, and Libertarianism#United_Kingdom be a fair and interesting summary of this main article. unsigned/undated
I'm reposting a comment here because it was deleted by the user from his own page:
Fig ( talk) 20:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I find it a bit strange that the Libertarian Party page was merged with this page, when loads of smaller, more insignificant parties ( Idle Toad) have a page. We haven't, for instance, merged the Conservative party with Conservatism#United_Kingdom, and as the merger was a while ago, a rethink is needed, and as such, if no one objects I shall re-create the LPUK page. 129.67.38.248 ( talk) 19:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
If I recall correctly Lembit Opik describes himself as a left libertarian and so should probably not be on this page unless a section is added for left-libertarianism in the UK. 109.148.226.63 ( talk) 13:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I'd argue that most self-identifying 'libertarians' in the UK are left-libertarians/anarchists/libertarian-socialists etc. as such I believe this article should be modified to reflect that it refers only to right-wing libertarianism. In the US libertarian is generally synonymous with free market capitalism, whereas in the UK and most of the world it is synonymous with historical left-anarchism as well as the newer semantics for free market capitalism and the associated social views. Mikejamesshaw ( talk) 13:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
@ Mikejamesshaw:, @ Fig wright:: Apologies chaps for this necro ping but I personally find it rather troubling too how little this article reflects the left. Luckily the article for the Green Party of England and Wales contains a paragraph detailing its libertarian outlook and support, which I have added to this article. That should hopefully level the playing field a little. Also I found it a little odd how there was no criticism of UKIP's self-identification as a "libertarian" party, as has been widely covered in the press. Their own articles states such and I have added this in also to hopefully level the playing field further. Sadly not many of the left libertarian parties in the UK (Plaid Cymru, SNP, SDLP, Co-op, being the big ones) self-describe or even have much written about them in that light. Academic references are heavy in this respect fro the Greens and UKIP, which I hope is the same for these other parties. I have cleaned up the article a bit but it would be nice if someone could provide further content on the left and centre of libertarianism in the UK to make it far less unbalanced. UaMaol ( talk) 02:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
this section is poorly referenced and most of it isn't sourced at all - i would advocate removing it. anecdotal evidence, but i study at the university of sheffield and i can say with full confidence that we don't have a libertarian society here and i'm not sure where that idea could have originally come from. i'm more making this topic to keep a tab on this page, since it is useful, it just needs some work here and there. Meikkon ( talk) 01:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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With thanks to whoever added the reference to my organisation, Conservatives for Liberty, in this piece - I have an edit to request. The description is incorrect:
"while Conservatives for Liberty is a campaign group promoting the libertarian-leaning Thatcherite wing of the party within Conservative Future."
We are not Thatcherite and do not claim to be. The link used as a reference (About - http://con4lib.com/mission/) does not mention us being Thatcherite. Instead, we are libertarian and classical liberal. There are a bunch of descriptors on that page you can choose from: libertarian, socially liberal, free market, capitalism, individualism etc.
The reference to Conservative Future is also incorrect. We are part of the broader Conservative movement, and though we campaign to move the Conservative Party in a more libertarian direction, we are NOT affiliated. We are independent. Conservative Future is the youth wing of the party, and we do not confine ourselves to that.
I would suggest:
"while Conservatives for Liberty is a campaign group which seeks to move the Conservative Party in a libertarian direction."
It's worth noting that further up the page under 'Relationship with the Conservative Party' an editor has again confused libertarianism and Thatcherism, describing Conservative Way Forward as libertarian when they are actually Thatcherite. 2.219.70.173 ( talk) 19:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The pre-discussion at Talk:Libertarian Party (United Kingdom) was uniformly positive, and since then there have been no objections, so can we go ahead? Jonathan A Jones ( talk) 16:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
89.242.175.59 and 89.242.175.59 are clearly trying to promote whoever "Thistle" is. A Google search for <"Thomas Thistlethwaite" cambridge> produces just 5 hits, all about a 19th century figure. This student candidate is clearly not "prominent" in any way. Fig ( talk) 09:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Some very strange student at Caius (yes, the aforementioned Thistle) is currently having something of an ego-trip. Rest assured that he has been in trouble with the computer office before and will be dealt with in a stricter fashion this time. 131.111.139.102 ( talk) 23:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Libertarianism#United_Kingdom is longer and better than this article. This article should have the best content, and Libertarianism#United_Kingdom be a fair and interesting summary of this main article. unsigned/undated
I'm reposting a comment here because it was deleted by the user from his own page:
Fig ( talk) 20:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I find it a bit strange that the Libertarian Party page was merged with this page, when loads of smaller, more insignificant parties ( Idle Toad) have a page. We haven't, for instance, merged the Conservative party with Conservatism#United_Kingdom, and as the merger was a while ago, a rethink is needed, and as such, if no one objects I shall re-create the LPUK page. 129.67.38.248 ( talk) 19:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
If I recall correctly Lembit Opik describes himself as a left libertarian and so should probably not be on this page unless a section is added for left-libertarianism in the UK. 109.148.226.63 ( talk) 13:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I'd argue that most self-identifying 'libertarians' in the UK are left-libertarians/anarchists/libertarian-socialists etc. as such I believe this article should be modified to reflect that it refers only to right-wing libertarianism. In the US libertarian is generally synonymous with free market capitalism, whereas in the UK and most of the world it is synonymous with historical left-anarchism as well as the newer semantics for free market capitalism and the associated social views. Mikejamesshaw ( talk) 13:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
@ Mikejamesshaw:, @ Fig wright:: Apologies chaps for this necro ping but I personally find it rather troubling too how little this article reflects the left. Luckily the article for the Green Party of England and Wales contains a paragraph detailing its libertarian outlook and support, which I have added to this article. That should hopefully level the playing field a little. Also I found it a little odd how there was no criticism of UKIP's self-identification as a "libertarian" party, as has been widely covered in the press. Their own articles states such and I have added this in also to hopefully level the playing field further. Sadly not many of the left libertarian parties in the UK (Plaid Cymru, SNP, SDLP, Co-op, being the big ones) self-describe or even have much written about them in that light. Academic references are heavy in this respect fro the Greens and UKIP, which I hope is the same for these other parties. I have cleaned up the article a bit but it would be nice if someone could provide further content on the left and centre of libertarianism in the UK to make it far less unbalanced. UaMaol ( talk) 02:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
this section is poorly referenced and most of it isn't sourced at all - i would advocate removing it. anecdotal evidence, but i study at the university of sheffield and i can say with full confidence that we don't have a libertarian society here and i'm not sure where that idea could have originally come from. i'm more making this topic to keep a tab on this page, since it is useful, it just needs some work here and there. Meikkon ( talk) 01:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)