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It is incorrect to label Herbert Spencer, Paul Émile de Puydt, and Auberon Herbert as anarcho-capitalists. Spencer believed in the necessity of the state to safeguard property rights and is not considered an anarcho-capitalist by most historians [1]. Puydt proposed a unique system called "panarchy" that differs from anarcho-capitalism [2]. A. Herbert referred to his system as voluntarism and explicitly rejected the idea of anarchism during a debate with Benj. R. Tucker. He advocated for a voluntarily funded state with a legal system imposed by coercion, leading to criticism from Hobson and Yarros for promoting plutocracy [3].
References:
[1] Herbert Spencer
[3] Auberon Herbert
Another problem is the idea of "statelessness" according to anarcho-capitalist authors, which seems to conflict with the definition of state in international law. The private communities proposed for example by Murray Rothbard and Hans-Hermann Hoppe are sovereign and de facto small states if we consider Thomas D. Musgrave's definition of state. In fact, a real-world walled-community or a real-world private charter city is subordinate to state power – private cities in anarcho-capitalism seem to be more akin to city-states. These issues have already been raised by various authors (see the critical section on the anarcho-capitalism article) however, primary source positions have been favored over analysis and criticism.
The history of anarcho-capitalism present in this article, on the other hand, seems to be a historical forgery; from brief search, I saw that anarcho-capitalist ideas seem to have originated in the 1960s, popularized by Jarret B. Wollstein, Karl Hess and Murray N. Rothbard (see https://c4ss.org/content/39997).
The topic, after a reading of the ideas, seems to be more akin to the radical right in the United States or the alt-right. Authors such as Rothbard and Hoppe are explicitly pro-segregation for example, as well as overt references to the Lost Cause (see Rothbard's views on Abraham Lincoln).
There are so many controversies, I'm not going to mention them all, but there is just such a blustering affiliation between racism and anarcho-capitalism. For example, anarcho-capitalist Jeffrey Tucker wrote for League of the South publications according to the SPLC.
I think it is necessary to investigate whether anarcho-capitalism is suitable to be presented in the article on liberalism and, if so, whether it should be presented in such an overtly apologetic manner with serious omissions highlighted.
n.b. When I mean "pro-segregation" I am referring to support for segregation academies, racial covenants, etc. 93.45.229.98 ( talk) 13:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please, include more recent scholarship on liberalism:
In the book Minoritarian Liberalism (Chicago 2022), anthropologist Moises Lino e Silva argues that liberalism as we know it has a colonial and Eurocentric heritage. The author proposes an alternative theory on minoritarian modes of liberalism: "always relational — it is not simply an alternative, but something that emerges 'within, against, and beyond' the domination and limited (often bleak) possibilities that normative liberalism brings to the life of 'subaltern' populations." (p.12) Mles2022 ( talk) 13:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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Create a section on neo-classical liberalism or radically anti-tax forms of liberalism. Integrate the content, if reliable, of the "anarcho-capitalism" section into the new section. 93.45.229.98 ( talk) 11:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
For major contributors of this article, do you think this article is fit for nomination for GA, if so reply to me and I will add it or add it yourself. Sangsangaplaz ( talk) 12:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
The redirect LGBT liberalism has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 12 § LGBT liberalism until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 06:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please note that this article concerns itself with the widest sense of liberalism, including American, European, classical, and modern traditions. Since it is inclusive, it may seem to depart from the intuitions of new members. Please acquaint yourself with the historical and geographical facts if you have not already done so. Thanks. |
The given header seems to be in violation of the following guidelines:
Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
It is incorrect to label Herbert Spencer, Paul Émile de Puydt, and Auberon Herbert as anarcho-capitalists. Spencer believed in the necessity of the state to safeguard property rights and is not considered an anarcho-capitalist by most historians [1]. Puydt proposed a unique system called "panarchy" that differs from anarcho-capitalism [2]. A. Herbert referred to his system as voluntarism and explicitly rejected the idea of anarchism during a debate with Benj. R. Tucker. He advocated for a voluntarily funded state with a legal system imposed by coercion, leading to criticism from Hobson and Yarros for promoting plutocracy [3].
References:
[1] Herbert Spencer
[3] Auberon Herbert
Another problem is the idea of "statelessness" according to anarcho-capitalist authors, which seems to conflict with the definition of state in international law. The private communities proposed for example by Murray Rothbard and Hans-Hermann Hoppe are sovereign and de facto small states if we consider Thomas D. Musgrave's definition of state. In fact, a real-world walled-community or a real-world private charter city is subordinate to state power – private cities in anarcho-capitalism seem to be more akin to city-states. These issues have already been raised by various authors (see the critical section on the anarcho-capitalism article) however, primary source positions have been favored over analysis and criticism.
The history of anarcho-capitalism present in this article, on the other hand, seems to be a historical forgery; from brief search, I saw that anarcho-capitalist ideas seem to have originated in the 1960s, popularized by Jarret B. Wollstein, Karl Hess and Murray N. Rothbard (see https://c4ss.org/content/39997).
The topic, after a reading of the ideas, seems to be more akin to the radical right in the United States or the alt-right. Authors such as Rothbard and Hoppe are explicitly pro-segregation for example, as well as overt references to the Lost Cause (see Rothbard's views on Abraham Lincoln).
There are so many controversies, I'm not going to mention them all, but there is just such a blustering affiliation between racism and anarcho-capitalism. For example, anarcho-capitalist Jeffrey Tucker wrote for League of the South publications according to the SPLC.
I think it is necessary to investigate whether anarcho-capitalism is suitable to be presented in the article on liberalism and, if so, whether it should be presented in such an overtly apologetic manner with serious omissions highlighted.
n.b. When I mean "pro-segregation" I am referring to support for segregation academies, racial covenants, etc. 93.45.229.98 ( talk) 13:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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Please, include more recent scholarship on liberalism:
In the book Minoritarian Liberalism (Chicago 2022), anthropologist Moises Lino e Silva argues that liberalism as we know it has a colonial and Eurocentric heritage. The author proposes an alternative theory on minoritarian modes of liberalism: "always relational — it is not simply an alternative, but something that emerges 'within, against, and beyond' the domination and limited (often bleak) possibilities that normative liberalism brings to the life of 'subaltern' populations." (p.12) Mles2022 ( talk) 13:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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Create a section on neo-classical liberalism or radically anti-tax forms of liberalism. Integrate the content, if reliable, of the "anarcho-capitalism" section into the new section. 93.45.229.98 ( talk) 11:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
For major contributors of this article, do you think this article is fit for nomination for GA, if so reply to me and I will add it or add it yourself. Sangsangaplaz ( talk) 12:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
The redirect LGBT liberalism has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 12 § LGBT liberalism until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 06:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)