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The edits before 17 October 2005 were made to the entry List of liberal parties.
For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Liberal parties
I redrafted this talk page to make it easier readable. I tried to keep the discussion in. The old version until 16/9/04 can be found at Talk:Liberal parties/old
I merged the articles liberal parties and worldwide liberalism (I created them both) into one article and deleted paragraph which are allready in the article liberalism. In this way it fits better in the series on liberalism. Gangulf 20:43, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There were some arguments on discussions on minor parties. This has been solved by making a split between parliamentary and non-parliamentary parties.
The Liberal People's Party (Norway) and other libertarians, they are actually just one streaming of liberalism, similar to the way that the communists and social democrats are streamings of socialism. If a libertarian party chooses to identify itself as liberal, it has as much to do so as for instance social liberals. Anyway, if libertarians aren't considered to be liberals, why is Movimiento Libertario (Costa Rica) included?
The reason why Movimiento Libertario is affiliated to the Liberal International and not to any international libertarian organisation is probably that there isn't any international organisation for libertarian parties, though there is a couple of international organisations for libertarian individuals. I'm sure that LI would be the first choice for any libertarian party, which would be considering to join an international organisation for parties.
The term "libertarian" was first adopted by North American free market libertarians, who couldn't use the term "liberal" anymore, because it had become to mean the same as "Left" in North America. Therefore in the North America, the term "libertarian" is broader than in Europe, and almost identical to what is called "market liberal" in Europe. See for instance Cato Institute's page, "How to label Cato Institute". In Europe the term "libertarian" is used only about what would be called "hard core libertarian" in the North America. For the history of the word see http://web.archive.org/web/20031121153638/www.daft.com/~rab/liberty/history/index.html
I agree, that liberalism is more than just free markets - but free markets are a vital part of classical liberalism, and therefore supporting free markets doesn't make a party illiberal. As for the German christian democrats, I don't see how they would strive after a free market. Maybe they have a market friendly wing somewhere, but there is also strong support for more state interventions, and the FDP is more market friendly anyway.
But you have listed parties, which youself confess socialist? Which policy makes them liberal, but the libertarians not? Have you hidden motives?
Radical Civic Union (Argentina), Social Democrat Radical Party (Chile) and Liberal Party (Columbia).
BTW, dear anonymous, which parties do you miss. -- Gangulf 14:42, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don't see any other reason why certain centrist parties are included than that somebody considers that being critical towards market economy is liberal. see for instance this article about the Centre Party of Estonia http://www.ce-review.org/00/13/amber13.html . And the Centre Party of Finland has never been seen as a liberal party by the Finnish population, as its most central policy has been to advocate more subsidies for the farmers. And when the registration of the same-sex relationships was voted in the Finnish parliament, even more of the MPs of the conservative National Coalition party voted for than of the MPs of the Centre Party. They are actually both conservative, but the Centre Party has more support in the countryside while the National Coalition is mainly supported in cities. When LI accepted Centre Party as a member in the end of eighties, it was argued that LI should be broadened as an international organisation of liberal 'and' centrist parties. This means, that liberal is not same as centrist. However, now LI's policy is to claim that all its members are liberal, even those which were accepted in as centrist parties. This doesn't seem to be very honest to me.
If the policy of LI has been to let in liberal AND centrist parties, obviously signing the manifesto and agreeing with the electoral programm doesn't turn a centrist party liberal. And one more thing: any organisation can't claim that it has the monopoly to define liberalism, or change the definition according it needs. I think this also means, that the membership of an organisation or the lack of the membership can't automatically define the ideology of a party, though most of the parties and organisations claiming to be liberal might happen to be what they claim to be.
BTW, even if for instance the Centre Party of Finland has signed the manifesto, it's own programms don't mention liberalism with one word.
I have a feeling, that somebody is seriously mixing the consepts of a "liberal party" and "member of a liberal organisation". In the end of the 80's and beginning of 90's, the policy of LI was officially to expand it membership to centrist parties. It was to be the organisation of "liberal and centrist parties". This policy clearly distinguished a liberal party from a centrist party, as there was an "and" between liberal and centrist. ELDR has also members, which have allied to it for want of a better, and ELDR has received them to strengthen itself, not because they would be particularly liberal. How has the centrist members of LI and ELDR suddenly become "liberal parties" in this article? They could be listed as members in the articles concerning LI and ELDR, but the membership of an organisation doesn't magically tranform a party "liberal". Also, the membership of an organisation doesn't turn a party conservative (Party of the Liberal Front, G17 Plus). I have a feeling, that the author of such claims identifies himself too closely to ELDR and LI, and can't distinguish "liberal" from "member of liberal organisation".
This statement is vague and potentially biased: "In Belarus, liberalism is under threat." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.95.148 ( talk) 20:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Coalition of French tax payers - see http://decrypt.politique.free.fr/partis/rcf/index.shtml . This is a leftist resource, which easily labels right of centre parties as "facho", and as it is itself situated in extreme left, it calls even moderate right as "extreme right". However, even it recognises that Coalition of French tax payers is liberal, not "facho". Compare to some other right of centre parties.
I think it isn't appropriate to list Margherita (Italy) here, as it is the result of the merger of a liberal and a christian democratic party. It belongs as much in the christian democratic parties than here. I would call it "centrist", but because it has many christian democratic members (probably the majority), not "liberal".
http://www.act.org.nz/item.jsp?id=20866
Homophobia and social conservatism are not features of liberal parties. Bye Bye.
Since my edits to the section were reverted, I would like to see someone update the article with relevant information and also rewrite the article, so that relevant information is given prominence. I feel that the article, as it is written now, gives a misleading overview of the current situation. -- Midjungards 14:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The liberal character of the Liberal Democratic Party is disputed too because it fully supports the Serbian goverment decisions that breached basic human rights (see opinion of Human Rights Watch [1], [2], [3], [4]) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BoDu ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC). -- BoDu 22 April 2007 (UTC)
In Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Liberal parties there has been some discussion on the article name.
In Australian English, the capitalisation or otherwise of Liberal is extremely important. There is no way you could even question that the Liberal Party of Australia is in at least one sense big-L Liberal without being extremely POV. In US and UK English it's not so important at present, but could become so if the names or policies of their parties were to change. As the software prevents us from making this distinction in article names which start with the word Liberal, it's good to avoid such article names where possible.
This point has been made several times in the discussion, I just want to support it without making VfD even longer! Andrewa 01:26, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Should that not redirect here, and the specific Dutch party article (not all that important in the greater scheme of things, that the English version of their name should get that title) be moved? elvenscout742 17:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any reason why libertarian parties are listed here? Suggest purging them. The Four Deuces ( talk) 09:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Do you have any particular parties in mind? Some libertarian parties and ideologies closely identify with classical liberalism. The Movimiento Libertario in Costa Rica is a good example. It is part of the LI. UberCryxic ( talk) 00:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Whether a party such as the Liberal Democratic Party in Japan has been present for a long time or not does not change the fact that its ideology is still liberal: ie, it still adheres to liberal principles and ideas as outlined by the article. Whether or not the country's status quo is in line with the party's ideologies is irrelevant. It is still a liberal party. Therefore, I don't understand why these parties aren't included. I believe they should be.
201.242.110.159 ( talk) 06:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Problem is that the merger would result in an excessively long article of over 150k as there is essentially no overlap otherwise. Also note that other ideology articles do not list every group or party subscribing to that ideology or philosophy. Communism does not contain List of communist parties. Marxism does not list Marxist parties. Listing various worldwide parties in an article such as this would be unique. Collect ( talk) 16:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Another proposal: Rename this article to "List of liberal parties by nation" as that more clearly reflects what it is. Collect ( talk) 19:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Discussion on the merge topic above having quietened down after some disagreement on a merge, and no-one objecting to a rename, I now propose moving this article to "List of liberal parties by country". Any objections? HiLo48 ( talk) 23:45, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
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The edits before 17 October 2005 were made to the entry List of liberal parties.
For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Liberal parties
I redrafted this talk page to make it easier readable. I tried to keep the discussion in. The old version until 16/9/04 can be found at Talk:Liberal parties/old
I merged the articles liberal parties and worldwide liberalism (I created them both) into one article and deleted paragraph which are allready in the article liberalism. In this way it fits better in the series on liberalism. Gangulf 20:43, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There were some arguments on discussions on minor parties. This has been solved by making a split between parliamentary and non-parliamentary parties.
The Liberal People's Party (Norway) and other libertarians, they are actually just one streaming of liberalism, similar to the way that the communists and social democrats are streamings of socialism. If a libertarian party chooses to identify itself as liberal, it has as much to do so as for instance social liberals. Anyway, if libertarians aren't considered to be liberals, why is Movimiento Libertario (Costa Rica) included?
The reason why Movimiento Libertario is affiliated to the Liberal International and not to any international libertarian organisation is probably that there isn't any international organisation for libertarian parties, though there is a couple of international organisations for libertarian individuals. I'm sure that LI would be the first choice for any libertarian party, which would be considering to join an international organisation for parties.
The term "libertarian" was first adopted by North American free market libertarians, who couldn't use the term "liberal" anymore, because it had become to mean the same as "Left" in North America. Therefore in the North America, the term "libertarian" is broader than in Europe, and almost identical to what is called "market liberal" in Europe. See for instance Cato Institute's page, "How to label Cato Institute". In Europe the term "libertarian" is used only about what would be called "hard core libertarian" in the North America. For the history of the word see http://web.archive.org/web/20031121153638/www.daft.com/~rab/liberty/history/index.html
I agree, that liberalism is more than just free markets - but free markets are a vital part of classical liberalism, and therefore supporting free markets doesn't make a party illiberal. As for the German christian democrats, I don't see how they would strive after a free market. Maybe they have a market friendly wing somewhere, but there is also strong support for more state interventions, and the FDP is more market friendly anyway.
But you have listed parties, which youself confess socialist? Which policy makes them liberal, but the libertarians not? Have you hidden motives?
Radical Civic Union (Argentina), Social Democrat Radical Party (Chile) and Liberal Party (Columbia).
BTW, dear anonymous, which parties do you miss. -- Gangulf 14:42, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I don't see any other reason why certain centrist parties are included than that somebody considers that being critical towards market economy is liberal. see for instance this article about the Centre Party of Estonia http://www.ce-review.org/00/13/amber13.html . And the Centre Party of Finland has never been seen as a liberal party by the Finnish population, as its most central policy has been to advocate more subsidies for the farmers. And when the registration of the same-sex relationships was voted in the Finnish parliament, even more of the MPs of the conservative National Coalition party voted for than of the MPs of the Centre Party. They are actually both conservative, but the Centre Party has more support in the countryside while the National Coalition is mainly supported in cities. When LI accepted Centre Party as a member in the end of eighties, it was argued that LI should be broadened as an international organisation of liberal 'and' centrist parties. This means, that liberal is not same as centrist. However, now LI's policy is to claim that all its members are liberal, even those which were accepted in as centrist parties. This doesn't seem to be very honest to me.
If the policy of LI has been to let in liberal AND centrist parties, obviously signing the manifesto and agreeing with the electoral programm doesn't turn a centrist party liberal. And one more thing: any organisation can't claim that it has the monopoly to define liberalism, or change the definition according it needs. I think this also means, that the membership of an organisation or the lack of the membership can't automatically define the ideology of a party, though most of the parties and organisations claiming to be liberal might happen to be what they claim to be.
BTW, even if for instance the Centre Party of Finland has signed the manifesto, it's own programms don't mention liberalism with one word.
I have a feeling, that somebody is seriously mixing the consepts of a "liberal party" and "member of a liberal organisation". In the end of the 80's and beginning of 90's, the policy of LI was officially to expand it membership to centrist parties. It was to be the organisation of "liberal and centrist parties". This policy clearly distinguished a liberal party from a centrist party, as there was an "and" between liberal and centrist. ELDR has also members, which have allied to it for want of a better, and ELDR has received them to strengthen itself, not because they would be particularly liberal. How has the centrist members of LI and ELDR suddenly become "liberal parties" in this article? They could be listed as members in the articles concerning LI and ELDR, but the membership of an organisation doesn't magically tranform a party "liberal". Also, the membership of an organisation doesn't turn a party conservative (Party of the Liberal Front, G17 Plus). I have a feeling, that the author of such claims identifies himself too closely to ELDR and LI, and can't distinguish "liberal" from "member of liberal organisation".
This statement is vague and potentially biased: "In Belarus, liberalism is under threat." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.95.148 ( talk) 20:39, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Coalition of French tax payers - see http://decrypt.politique.free.fr/partis/rcf/index.shtml . This is a leftist resource, which easily labels right of centre parties as "facho", and as it is itself situated in extreme left, it calls even moderate right as "extreme right". However, even it recognises that Coalition of French tax payers is liberal, not "facho". Compare to some other right of centre parties.
I think it isn't appropriate to list Margherita (Italy) here, as it is the result of the merger of a liberal and a christian democratic party. It belongs as much in the christian democratic parties than here. I would call it "centrist", but because it has many christian democratic members (probably the majority), not "liberal".
http://www.act.org.nz/item.jsp?id=20866
Homophobia and social conservatism are not features of liberal parties. Bye Bye.
Since my edits to the section were reverted, I would like to see someone update the article with relevant information and also rewrite the article, so that relevant information is given prominence. I feel that the article, as it is written now, gives a misleading overview of the current situation. -- Midjungards 14:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The liberal character of the Liberal Democratic Party is disputed too because it fully supports the Serbian goverment decisions that breached basic human rights (see opinion of Human Rights Watch [1], [2], [3], [4]) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BoDu ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC). -- BoDu 22 April 2007 (UTC)
In Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Liberal parties there has been some discussion on the article name.
In Australian English, the capitalisation or otherwise of Liberal is extremely important. There is no way you could even question that the Liberal Party of Australia is in at least one sense big-L Liberal without being extremely POV. In US and UK English it's not so important at present, but could become so if the names or policies of their parties were to change. As the software prevents us from making this distinction in article names which start with the word Liberal, it's good to avoid such article names where possible.
This point has been made several times in the discussion, I just want to support it without making VfD even longer! Andrewa 01:26, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Should that not redirect here, and the specific Dutch party article (not all that important in the greater scheme of things, that the English version of their name should get that title) be moved? elvenscout742 17:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any reason why libertarian parties are listed here? Suggest purging them. The Four Deuces ( talk) 09:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Do you have any particular parties in mind? Some libertarian parties and ideologies closely identify with classical liberalism. The Movimiento Libertario in Costa Rica is a good example. It is part of the LI. UberCryxic ( talk) 00:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Whether a party such as the Liberal Democratic Party in Japan has been present for a long time or not does not change the fact that its ideology is still liberal: ie, it still adheres to liberal principles and ideas as outlined by the article. Whether or not the country's status quo is in line with the party's ideologies is irrelevant. It is still a liberal party. Therefore, I don't understand why these parties aren't included. I believe they should be.
201.242.110.159 ( talk) 06:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Problem is that the merger would result in an excessively long article of over 150k as there is essentially no overlap otherwise. Also note that other ideology articles do not list every group or party subscribing to that ideology or philosophy. Communism does not contain List of communist parties. Marxism does not list Marxist parties. Listing various worldwide parties in an article such as this would be unique. Collect ( talk) 16:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Another proposal: Rename this article to "List of liberal parties by nation" as that more clearly reflects what it is. Collect ( talk) 19:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Discussion on the merge topic above having quietened down after some disagreement on a merge, and no-one objecting to a rename, I now propose moving this article to "List of liberal parties by country". Any objections? HiLo48 ( talk) 23:45, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
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