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The statements regarding alleged rapes by General MacKenzie are extremely biased. These allegations have not been proven, and could represent a retribution for what is seen as his 'pro-Serbian' stance by the government in Sarjevo
This page needs some work. It's absurd to talk about the possibility of the PCs winning in 1997 without some qualification: nobody expected them to.
There should also be some mention of the criticism levelled at him for his performance in Bosnia.
Finally, I would expect to see some mention of the letters between him and Dallaire (his was called something like 'O Romeo, wherefore art thou partisan') after Dallaire became a senator earlier this year.
I'll see what I can do. -- Saforrest 14:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
"Tory Leader Jean Charest" makes no sense. Jean Charest was a candidate for the PC party leadership in 92 or 93, but left federal politics to join the Quebec provincial Liberal party. The Tory leader in 97 was Joe Clark. However, we need a source for the claim that he was tapped as a possible deputy PM. —The preceding
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The rape allegation are allegations and nothing else, unproved and unsubstantial. The whole line is actually slanderous not only to MacKenzie but to Canada as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.Flint ( talk • contribs).
I removed the external link because it had absolutely no significance. It was a link to a site criticizing Gen Mackenzie for not making sure he disciplined his troops enough... There is no mention of this in the main article (as there shouldn't be), therefore to include the link is absurd. Stop The Lies 21:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies
If anyone here remembers anything about those ancient bogus rape allegations, can you take a look at Talk:Srebrenica massacre#Lewis MacKenzie? (If someone has once more changed the section title, it's near the bottom of the page) -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am really interested how is possible to defeat statement from this link [1] -- Rjecina ( talk) 23:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Source number 4 is from a second-rate BLOG! What kind of source is that, if you're accusing someone of taking money from lobby groups! What biased character assassination.... --
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She cannot be used as a valid claim that Borislav Herak's confession was "faked." Only courts can decide whether confessions were faked. Please keep objective point of view without one-sided web references from self-serving commentators. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.176.183 ( talk) 01:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Some of the assertions made about him in the controversy section come from some really sketchy sources, and are absurd to say the least. The claim that he raped a Bosnian woman is particularly ridiculous. This is a Canadian general we're talking about and if there was even a remote possibility this was true it would have been all over the news in the entire western world. Wikipedia cannot include every accusation ever made against someone. The section needs to be cleaned up. Edrigu ( talk) 02:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
This whole section is grammatically horrid and the content is clearly politically biased. The goal is to discredit the General as a reliable source in the Balkan conflicts simply because he takes a more sympathetic stance towards the Serbs. --
24.226.16.137 (
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i remember MacKenzie being recalled from his post in Bosnia after he was accused of keeping Bosnian Muslim women as prisoners for the purpose of forcing them to have sex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 15:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Having had my additions to his edit promoting Lewis MacKenzie's "starring" role in Boris Malagurski's films removed by User:UrbanVillager, I'm setting out the following so as to make my reasons for persisting clear before I reinsert relevant information about Malagurski's connections.
UrbanVillager considers it the equivalent of a point of view to point out that the films in which he describes Lewis MacKenzie as starring are produced by a Serbian-Canadian student film-maker and Serbian nationalist activist, while the rest of MacKenzie's "co-stars" are individuals well-known for promoting the Serbian nationalist view of the Western Balkan conflicts of the 1990s.
MacKenzie's association with Serbnet (Serbian American National Information Network), unresolved allegations relating to his association with Serb counterparts during his term of duty in Bosnia and his rejection of the findings of international courts concerning the genocidal killings at Srebrenica all make reference to the context of his ongoing association with Serbian nationalist propaganda vehicles relevant rather than simply "point of view".
When Lewis MacKenzie agrees to join other well-known Serb apologists in making a high profile contribution to a novice film-maker's work, it is legitimate to comment on evidence of sympathies that undermine MacKenzie's stance as an objective commentator on Balkan affairs.
It's not unreasonable to describe Boris Malagurski's work as Serbian nationalist propaganda. Malagurski is President, Founder and Treasurer of the Serbian Youth League, a member of the Serbian Unity Congress and a former executive of the University of British Columbia Serbian Student. In 2008 he organised protests in Vancouver against Kosovo's declaration of independence.
While Malagurski's films are promoted as offering "a Canadian perspective" on ethnic divisions within Yugoslavia, what they in fact offer is a Serbian nationalist perspective that seeks to emphasise Serb victimhood without acknowledging Serbia's role in the demise of the former Yugoslavia and the perpetration of war crimes and crimes against humanity. According to Nebojsa Malic, Amnesty International rejected the offer of Kosovo: Can You Imagine? for inclusion in their Human Rights Film Festival on the grounds that Malagurski's film was biased and seemed clearly anti-Albanian.
UrbanVillager him(her?)self is in fact the creator of the Wikipedia article about the - still unreleased - Malagurski film [[The Weight of Chains] and a contributor to Wikipedia articles about a number of the participants in that film and Kosovo: Can You Imagine? with edits solely about their appearance in Malagurski's oeuvre (the participants include the notorious Srdja Trifković, spokesperson for the Bosnian Serb regime, who was attending meetings with Radovan Karadzic in Pale while the Srebrenica executions were in the process of being carried out).
When challenged with the claim that material at the The Weight of Chains article of material appeared to have been plagiarised from the film's promotional website UrbanVillager has suggested that the apparent plagiarism is not plagiarism because the material also appears in the film's press-kit.
Utrban Villager also edits other Wikipedia articles so as to promote a Serbian revanchist denial of Kosovan independence - for example, reintegrating Đakovica/Gjakova Airport back into Serbia by replacing the map of Kosovo at the article with a map of Serbia. UrbanVillager should examine whether his own misleading contributions embody the POV he points to in others. Opbeith ( talk) 18:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Urban Villager, it's interesting to watch you struggle to promote Lewis MacKenzie's association with Boris Malagurski's propagandising at the same time as you try to avoid Malagurski being identified as a Serbian nationalist activist that you'd rather write off Malagurski's own Serbian Youth League website - headed by Malgurski's proclamation of himself as President, Founder and Treasurer of the Serbian Youth League [2], full of photographs of apparently "non-nationalist activities" [3] - as an unreliable source than admit to MacKenzie's association with the self-publicist and the rest of the Serbian propaganda machine. Your efforts to promote Malagurski's distorted views are not terribly helpful to your man, nor to MacKenzie. You simply stir up the doubts once again - what's it all about with Lewis MacKenzie and the Serb nationalists? Let's not have any more of this holier-than-thou invocation of Wikipedia principles while you do your best to exploit Wikipedia for your own purposes. Opbeith ( talk) 00:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
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What do others think? CJCurrie ( talk) 00:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
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I think that after the war, when most of the tortured people (village people), are back to their ordinary lives, it is not right to believe what they have been through and what they have seen while serving Serb fascists in the concentration camps. Most of these people can barely read let alone thinking up a scheme against general Lewis MacKenzie... or any other matter. I find it extremely important to dismiss your "biased, poorly secured, not enough proof" suggestion because the regular Bosnian folk at that time was not only compromised by their own politicians..., let alone some general from Canada who just would never be questioned... why would he?
The whole world thinks these troops helped Bosnia,.. well they're running somebody's agenda as well, because when Banjaluka was about to be set free (special unit was 15 km away) the general of that special unit was contacted and instructed to stop his unit or they will be shot at by the UN planes in matter of minutes. I think that in this lifetime it is of urgent matter for all of us to consider the impossible, whatever area it may regard to, and yes even the gray areas. We live in a world of politics, innocent victims, a serious game we most of us normal people, will never understand nor be a part of. A lot of harm was done to the Bosnian people, and I mean when I say this. Don't ignore the visuals available now to present the massacres... and nobody can then tell me that something of that era is "biased" or "lacking evidence"... The story of truth will live as long as I live at least, and I will make sure that everybody knows about any human's capacity especially if it has to do with money. |
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The statements regarding alleged rapes by General MacKenzie are extremely biased. These allegations have not been proven, and could represent a retribution for what is seen as his 'pro-Serbian' stance by the government in Sarjevo
This page needs some work. It's absurd to talk about the possibility of the PCs winning in 1997 without some qualification: nobody expected them to.
There should also be some mention of the criticism levelled at him for his performance in Bosnia.
Finally, I would expect to see some mention of the letters between him and Dallaire (his was called something like 'O Romeo, wherefore art thou partisan') after Dallaire became a senator earlier this year.
I'll see what I can do. -- Saforrest 14:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
"Tory Leader Jean Charest" makes no sense. Jean Charest was a candidate for the PC party leadership in 92 or 93, but left federal politics to join the Quebec provincial Liberal party. The Tory leader in 97 was Joe Clark. However, we need a source for the claim that he was tapped as a possible deputy PM. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Warspite (
talk •
contribs) .
The rape allegation are allegations and nothing else, unproved and unsubstantial. The whole line is actually slanderous not only to MacKenzie but to Canada as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.Flint ( talk • contribs).
I removed the external link because it had absolutely no significance. It was a link to a site criticizing Gen Mackenzie for not making sure he disciplined his troops enough... There is no mention of this in the main article (as there shouldn't be), therefore to include the link is absurd. Stop The Lies 21:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Stop_The_Lies
If anyone here remembers anything about those ancient bogus rape allegations, can you take a look at Talk:Srebrenica massacre#Lewis MacKenzie? (If someone has once more changed the section title, it's near the bottom of the page) -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I am really interested how is possible to defeat statement from this link [1] -- Rjecina ( talk) 23:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Source number 4 is from a second-rate BLOG! What kind of source is that, if you're accusing someone of taking money from lobby groups! What biased character assassination.... --
24.150.77.3 (
talk)
04:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
She cannot be used as a valid claim that Borislav Herak's confession was "faked." Only courts can decide whether confessions were faked. Please keep objective point of view without one-sided web references from self-serving commentators. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.176.183 ( talk) 01:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Some of the assertions made about him in the controversy section come from some really sketchy sources, and are absurd to say the least. The claim that he raped a Bosnian woman is particularly ridiculous. This is a Canadian general we're talking about and if there was even a remote possibility this was true it would have been all over the news in the entire western world. Wikipedia cannot include every accusation ever made against someone. The section needs to be cleaned up. Edrigu ( talk) 02:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
This whole section is grammatically horrid and the content is clearly politically biased. The goal is to discredit the General as a reliable source in the Balkan conflicts simply because he takes a more sympathetic stance towards the Serbs. --
24.226.16.137 (
talk)
00:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
i remember MacKenzie being recalled from his post in Bosnia after he was accused of keeping Bosnian Muslim women as prisoners for the purpose of forcing them to have sex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 ( talk) 15:05, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Having had my additions to his edit promoting Lewis MacKenzie's "starring" role in Boris Malagurski's films removed by User:UrbanVillager, I'm setting out the following so as to make my reasons for persisting clear before I reinsert relevant information about Malagurski's connections.
UrbanVillager considers it the equivalent of a point of view to point out that the films in which he describes Lewis MacKenzie as starring are produced by a Serbian-Canadian student film-maker and Serbian nationalist activist, while the rest of MacKenzie's "co-stars" are individuals well-known for promoting the Serbian nationalist view of the Western Balkan conflicts of the 1990s.
MacKenzie's association with Serbnet (Serbian American National Information Network), unresolved allegations relating to his association with Serb counterparts during his term of duty in Bosnia and his rejection of the findings of international courts concerning the genocidal killings at Srebrenica all make reference to the context of his ongoing association with Serbian nationalist propaganda vehicles relevant rather than simply "point of view".
When Lewis MacKenzie agrees to join other well-known Serb apologists in making a high profile contribution to a novice film-maker's work, it is legitimate to comment on evidence of sympathies that undermine MacKenzie's stance as an objective commentator on Balkan affairs.
It's not unreasonable to describe Boris Malagurski's work as Serbian nationalist propaganda. Malagurski is President, Founder and Treasurer of the Serbian Youth League, a member of the Serbian Unity Congress and a former executive of the University of British Columbia Serbian Student. In 2008 he organised protests in Vancouver against Kosovo's declaration of independence.
While Malagurski's films are promoted as offering "a Canadian perspective" on ethnic divisions within Yugoslavia, what they in fact offer is a Serbian nationalist perspective that seeks to emphasise Serb victimhood without acknowledging Serbia's role in the demise of the former Yugoslavia and the perpetration of war crimes and crimes against humanity. According to Nebojsa Malic, Amnesty International rejected the offer of Kosovo: Can You Imagine? for inclusion in their Human Rights Film Festival on the grounds that Malagurski's film was biased and seemed clearly anti-Albanian.
UrbanVillager him(her?)self is in fact the creator of the Wikipedia article about the - still unreleased - Malagurski film [[The Weight of Chains] and a contributor to Wikipedia articles about a number of the participants in that film and Kosovo: Can You Imagine? with edits solely about their appearance in Malagurski's oeuvre (the participants include the notorious Srdja Trifković, spokesperson for the Bosnian Serb regime, who was attending meetings with Radovan Karadzic in Pale while the Srebrenica executions were in the process of being carried out).
When challenged with the claim that material at the The Weight of Chains article of material appeared to have been plagiarised from the film's promotional website UrbanVillager has suggested that the apparent plagiarism is not plagiarism because the material also appears in the film's press-kit.
Utrban Villager also edits other Wikipedia articles so as to promote a Serbian revanchist denial of Kosovan independence - for example, reintegrating Đakovica/Gjakova Airport back into Serbia by replacing the map of Kosovo at the article with a map of Serbia. UrbanVillager should examine whether his own misleading contributions embody the POV he points to in others. Opbeith ( talk) 18:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Urban Villager, it's interesting to watch you struggle to promote Lewis MacKenzie's association with Boris Malagurski's propagandising at the same time as you try to avoid Malagurski being identified as a Serbian nationalist activist that you'd rather write off Malagurski's own Serbian Youth League website - headed by Malgurski's proclamation of himself as President, Founder and Treasurer of the Serbian Youth League [2], full of photographs of apparently "non-nationalist activities" [3] - as an unreliable source than admit to MacKenzie's association with the self-publicist and the rest of the Serbian propaganda machine. Your efforts to promote Malagurski's distorted views are not terribly helpful to your man, nor to MacKenzie. You simply stir up the doubts once again - what's it all about with Lewis MacKenzie and the Serb nationalists? Let's not have any more of this holier-than-thou invocation of Wikipedia principles while you do your best to exploit Wikipedia for your own purposes. Opbeith ( talk) 00:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
An editor has made repeated attempts to post this text to the MacKenzie article. I am against this, for three reasons:
What do others think? CJCurrie ( talk) 00:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
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I think that after the war, when most of the tortured people (village people), are back to their ordinary lives, it is not right to believe what they have been through and what they have seen while serving Serb fascists in the concentration camps. Most of these people can barely read let alone thinking up a scheme against general Lewis MacKenzie... or any other matter. I find it extremely important to dismiss your "biased, poorly secured, not enough proof" suggestion because the regular Bosnian folk at that time was not only compromised by their own politicians..., let alone some general from Canada who just would never be questioned... why would he?
The whole world thinks these troops helped Bosnia,.. well they're running somebody's agenda as well, because when Banjaluka was about to be set free (special unit was 15 km away) the general of that special unit was contacted and instructed to stop his unit or they will be shot at by the UN planes in matter of minutes. I think that in this lifetime it is of urgent matter for all of us to consider the impossible, whatever area it may regard to, and yes even the gray areas. We live in a world of politics, innocent victims, a serious game we most of us normal people, will never understand nor be a part of. A lot of harm was done to the Bosnian people, and I mean when I say this. Don't ignore the visuals available now to present the massacres... and nobody can then tell me that something of that era is "biased" or "lacking evidence"... The story of truth will live as long as I live at least, and I will make sure that everybody knows about any human's capacity especially if it has to do with money. |
Last edited at 01:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 21:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)