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I've added the claim that the MEK was behind the assassination to the lead. There seem to be two views on who is to be blamed for the assassination of Hawkins, one view says Peykar and the other says MEK. WP:NPOV - a core policy - requires that we present "all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". Further WP:WEIGHT requires that "all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." It also adds "Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to the depth of detail, the quantity of text, prominence of placement..."
Placing the Peykar claim in the lead, but not the MEK claim in the lead thus violates WP:WEIGHT. There are currently more reliable sources for the MEK claim than for the Peykar claim (see this edit). The sources for the MEK claim include:
Given the prominence of this viewpoint among RS, it definitely belongs in the lead. Anyone removing this viewpoint from the lead should address my WP:NPOV concerns above. VR talk 11:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
TheDreamBoat in
this edit you said there "There is controversy that this was a MEK assassination since a Peykar member admitted to the assassination
". Can you provide any sources that say this was not an MEK assassination? The person who was convicted of the assassination, Afrakhteh, seemed to have later founded Peykar but that doesn't mean he wasn't an MEK member at the time of the assassination. Anyway, instead of us wikipedians figuring out who to blame for the assassination, lets let
WP:RS do that. Thanks,
VR
talk 15:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Sources say the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist) is a different group from the Muslim MEK. See the talk page discussion @ PMOI page (including the citations). Fad Ariff ( talk) 12:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Vahid Afrakhteh, a member of the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist) and later a founding member of Peykar, was captured and confessed to the assassination. There is nothing disputed about that. Fad Ariff ( talk) 12:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
"The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975"[1] He was linked to the Marxist Mojahedin, not the Muslim Mojahedin (what you are attempting to add to the article). Fad Ariff ( talk) 12:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Read it again: "By 1973, the members of the Marxist–Leninist MEK launched an "internal ideological struggle
" "This new group adopted a Marxist, more secular and extremist identity
" "This led to two rival Mojahedin, each with its own publication, its own organization, and its own activities
" "The new group was known initially as the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist). A few months before the Iranian Revolution, the majority of the Marxist Mojahedin renamed themselves
Peykar
"
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]. The information in
People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran makes it clear that the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist), as it became known in 1973, is not the same group as the Muslim MEK. And then: "The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975"
[6] Your continued
incivility in these discussions cannot outdo the
WP:SOURCES.
Fad Ariff (
talk) 12:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975
The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975
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I've added the claim that the MEK was behind the assassination to the lead. There seem to be two views on who is to be blamed for the assassination of Hawkins, one view says Peykar and the other says MEK. WP:NPOV - a core policy - requires that we present "all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". Further WP:WEIGHT requires that "all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." It also adds "Undue weight can be given in several ways, including but not limited to the depth of detail, the quantity of text, prominence of placement..."
Placing the Peykar claim in the lead, but not the MEK claim in the lead thus violates WP:WEIGHT. There are currently more reliable sources for the MEK claim than for the Peykar claim (see this edit). The sources for the MEK claim include:
Given the prominence of this viewpoint among RS, it definitely belongs in the lead. Anyone removing this viewpoint from the lead should address my WP:NPOV concerns above. VR talk 11:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
TheDreamBoat in
this edit you said there "There is controversy that this was a MEK assassination since a Peykar member admitted to the assassination
". Can you provide any sources that say this was not an MEK assassination? The person who was convicted of the assassination, Afrakhteh, seemed to have later founded Peykar but that doesn't mean he wasn't an MEK member at the time of the assassination. Anyway, instead of us wikipedians figuring out who to blame for the assassination, lets let
WP:RS do that. Thanks,
VR
talk 15:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Sources say the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist) is a different group from the Muslim MEK. See the talk page discussion @ PMOI page (including the citations). Fad Ariff ( talk) 12:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Vahid Afrakhteh, a member of the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist) and later a founding member of Peykar, was captured and confessed to the assassination. There is nothing disputed about that. Fad Ariff ( talk) 12:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
"The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975"[1] He was linked to the Marxist Mojahedin, not the Muslim Mojahedin (what you are attempting to add to the article). Fad Ariff ( talk) 12:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Read it again: "By 1973, the members of the Marxist–Leninist MEK launched an "internal ideological struggle
" "This new group adopted a Marxist, more secular and extremist identity
" "This led to two rival Mojahedin, each with its own publication, its own organization, and its own activities
" "The new group was known initially as the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist). A few months before the Iranian Revolution, the majority of the Marxist Mojahedin renamed themselves
Peykar
"
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]. The information in
People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran makes it clear that the Mojahedin M.L. (Marxist–Leninist), as it became known in 1973, is not the same group as the Muslim MEK. And then: "The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975"
[6] Your continued
incivility in these discussions cannot outdo the
WP:SOURCES.
Fad Ariff (
talk) 12:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
References
The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975
The most notable actions of the Marxist Mojahedin were assassinations of Savak general, of two American military advisers, and a failed attempt against an American diplomat, all in 1975