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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 07:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Lewis (baseball) → ? – There are at least 9 other players at
Lewis (surname)#Sports. There is no name or birth date to suggest a good new name. So possibly it could be moved to
Lewis (1890 Buffalo Bisons baseball player).
©
Tbhotch
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en-2.5).
21:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed this is a convention for several sports topics, but not others, to have a name qualified by the name of the sport, and not a name of the sport player. For instance, a cricket player might have an article titled "John Smith (cricketer)", and I've seen examples of "John Smith (tennis player)", but a volleyball player might simply be termed "John Smith (volleyball)". This strikes me as an odd way to phrase the parenthetical, as it does not describe the person but rather their field. This article in particular highlights the weirdness, because the mononym makes it unclear that "Lewis" is actually a person, and the article title reads to me as if it were about a baseball itself that were named "Lewis".
Is there any reason why titles like this aren't all phrased like "Lewis (Baseball player)", for instance? It would seem better to me. BlackholeWA ( talk) 01:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Probably just a convenience to save space. I concur with your suggestion but it is "buried" if only on this page. Martindo ( talk) 01:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Infobox lists 1 hit in the MLB statistics that describe his pitching. Obviously he gave up more (inc 2 HR). This is probably an error due to confusing his batting stats (1 hit) with pitching stats (total hits unknown?). Martindo ( talk) 01:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there any information as to how Lewis got a regular game as a tryout? Didn't they check out prospective players in trials and practices first? Did he have some special in with the team? It sounds like there is more to this story. Bill ( talk) 04:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I found I had to work quite hard (from a casual read of the Lead) to work out what the notability/interest of this article was - and it may be that’s because I’m not American/don’t know anything about baseball. It was only through clicking through the links for, e.g. ERA and WHIP, that I was gradually able to piece it all together. I think (but may still not have got it) that Lewis’s notability is that he has the worst pitching record in this short-lived baseball league that existed for one season in 1890. As a fairly obscure subject i think it would really help the reader (and per MOS:FIRST) if the first (and second) sentences were a bit more on the nose. Something like: “Lewis (first name unknown; fl. 1890) was an American professional baseball player who, in his sole career game, managed to achieve the worst pitching statistics in the short-lived Players’ League (PL) of 1890. His one career game was with the Buffalo Bisons on July 12, 1890. After asking the Bisons manager for a tryout and pitching three innings, his earned run average (ERA) of 60.00 and walks plus hits per inning pitched (WHIP) rate of 6.667 became the highest in the history of the PL....” DeCausa ( talk) 11:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed the recent AfD that was closed as "merge this article into the 1890 Buffalo Bisons season". From reading the AfD, I can't really see how anyone thought the content of this biography would fit into a season article. A much better target would be to "merge" this article with an article for the Buffalo vs. Brooklyn game. While the player Lewis might not meet WP:GNG, the game itself certainly does. Sportsfan77777 ( talk) 23:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
copied or moved into 1890 Buffalo Bisons seasonand a diff is provided. Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 12:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 07:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Lewis (baseball) → ? – There are at least 9 other players at
Lewis (surname)#Sports. There is no name or birth date to suggest a good new name. So possibly it could be moved to
Lewis (1890 Buffalo Bisons baseball player).
©
Tbhotch
™ (
en-2.5).
21:42, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed this is a convention for several sports topics, but not others, to have a name qualified by the name of the sport, and not a name of the sport player. For instance, a cricket player might have an article titled "John Smith (cricketer)", and I've seen examples of "John Smith (tennis player)", but a volleyball player might simply be termed "John Smith (volleyball)". This strikes me as an odd way to phrase the parenthetical, as it does not describe the person but rather their field. This article in particular highlights the weirdness, because the mononym makes it unclear that "Lewis" is actually a person, and the article title reads to me as if it were about a baseball itself that were named "Lewis".
Is there any reason why titles like this aren't all phrased like "Lewis (Baseball player)", for instance? It would seem better to me. BlackholeWA ( talk) 01:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Probably just a convenience to save space. I concur with your suggestion but it is "buried" if only on this page. Martindo ( talk) 01:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Infobox lists 1 hit in the MLB statistics that describe his pitching. Obviously he gave up more (inc 2 HR). This is probably an error due to confusing his batting stats (1 hit) with pitching stats (total hits unknown?). Martindo ( talk) 01:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there any information as to how Lewis got a regular game as a tryout? Didn't they check out prospective players in trials and practices first? Did he have some special in with the team? It sounds like there is more to this story. Bill ( talk) 04:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I found I had to work quite hard (from a casual read of the Lead) to work out what the notability/interest of this article was - and it may be that’s because I’m not American/don’t know anything about baseball. It was only through clicking through the links for, e.g. ERA and WHIP, that I was gradually able to piece it all together. I think (but may still not have got it) that Lewis’s notability is that he has the worst pitching record in this short-lived baseball league that existed for one season in 1890. As a fairly obscure subject i think it would really help the reader (and per MOS:FIRST) if the first (and second) sentences were a bit more on the nose. Something like: “Lewis (first name unknown; fl. 1890) was an American professional baseball player who, in his sole career game, managed to achieve the worst pitching statistics in the short-lived Players’ League (PL) of 1890. His one career game was with the Buffalo Bisons on July 12, 1890. After asking the Bisons manager for a tryout and pitching three innings, his earned run average (ERA) of 60.00 and walks plus hits per inning pitched (WHIP) rate of 6.667 became the highest in the history of the PL....” DeCausa ( talk) 11:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed the recent AfD that was closed as "merge this article into the 1890 Buffalo Bisons season". From reading the AfD, I can't really see how anyone thought the content of this biography would fit into a season article. A much better target would be to "merge" this article with an article for the Buffalo vs. Brooklyn game. While the player Lewis might not meet WP:GNG, the game itself certainly does. Sportsfan77777 ( talk) 23:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
copied or moved into 1890 Buffalo Bisons seasonand a diff is provided. Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 12:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)