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A documentary on Churchill's bodyguard shown on BBC2 last weekend seemed to add weight to the theory that Howard's plane was shot down in attempt on Churchill's life. It suggested, or perhaps merely speculated, that Churchill (who was due to fly back to the UK on the same evening as Howard's flight) had been aware of a possible attempt to shoot him down through secret Enigma decodings and had ordered his bodyguard to disable one of the engines of his plane in order for there to be an apparently legitimate explanation for him not flying back that evening. Churchill had made it clear that there should always be an alternate reason to explain actions initiated by the interception of German secret messages, in order to prevent the Germans from guessing that their codes has been broken. The documentary contained apparently new insight into the mystery of the engine fault. Jooler 21:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I can only find this in the London Gazette which suggest he served until 1916 Steiner&exact=&atleast=&similar= as an 2nd Lt Kernel Saunters ( talk) 14:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The infomation on his death was supposed to revealed this year (2008) but has been held back till 2025... any thoughts on why :O should this be put in? it was on BBC radio 4 program on Howards death —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.116.146 ( talk) 17:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
89.164.231.121 ( talk) 22:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC) "using "Stainer" as less German-sounding" - but this surname sounds very German! Probably he used Leslie Howard instead Leslie Howard Stainer.
The third paragraph in the "Film Career" section mentions the movie Petrified Forest, and the fact that Howard insisted on Bogart as his co-star, rather than the studio's choice (Edward G. Robinson), and adds that Bogart remained grateful to Howard for the rest of his life. The last sentence adds that Fritz Freleng later made a cartoon parody of the movie. I removed that last sentence because it is irrelevant to Howard, and it was added back on the grounds that it is "not at all non-consequential", and had a reference.
Citing a reference does not make an irrelevant sentence relevant. Could the user who added it back please explain why it is relevant to an article about Leslie Howard's life, and why it would be part of his film career section (as opposed to "Legacy"), if it needs to be there at all?
It is certainly relevant to the article about the movie itself, and is in that article -- is that not where it belongs? Please enlighten me. Cheers, DoctorJoeE ( talk) 15:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
"The bumped passengers were the teenage sons of Cornelia Stuyvesant Vanderbilt: George and William Cecil, who had been recalled to London from their Swiss boarding school. Being bumped by Howard saved their lives."
No explanation previous to this about bumping.
In the article on flight 777, it says, "Three passengers seated on the DC-3 disembarked before departure. Derek Partridge, the young son of a British diplomat, and Dora Rove, his nanny, were "bumped" to make room for Howard and Chenhalls"
/info/en/?search=BOAC_Flight_777 Justaquick ( talk) 11:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
My grandfather Max talks about how he and his brother Jo boarded the fight, and were both disembarked before departure. Bens ( talk) 04:10, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages as proposed at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 15:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
– Subject has a place in history as a legendary performer and his entry, created by User:Deb on 10 September 2002, stood alone until 30 October 2005 when, upon the creation of Leslie Howard (musician), it was moved. Nearly thirteen years later, it should be returned to the standalone main header, Leslie Howard. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Quoting: "He left the United States for the last time with his wife and daughter in August, 1939, and Cunnington soon followed. She appeared in "Pimpernel" Smith (1941) and The First of the Few (1942) in minor roles under the stage name of Suzanne Clair. She died of pneumonia in her early 30s in 1942, just six months before Howard's death. Howard left her his Beverly Hills house in his will.[28][29]"
In one's will, one cannot leave anything to a dead person. Ms. Cunnington died six months before Mr. Howard. Even if Mr. Howard neglected to change his will (in that much time?), the so-called bequeathal to her of his house in Beverly Hills was null and void under American law. Furthermore, she did not seem to have a husband or any children.
Also, even if the bequeathal were still valid here, it was meaningless because she was dead already. The whole thing sounds like rubbish, and it does not belong in the Wikipedia.
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History Lunatic ( talk) 19:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)History Lunatic
It was at this time, while filming Pygmalion (1938), he met Violette Cunnington, a beautiful actress with whom he fell profoundly in love. As the Anschluss took place in Europe, the Nazis posed a serious threat to Howard's sense of democratic freedoms.
This writing is disjointed to put it mildly. First of all he falls profoundly in love, and then we are jabbering on about Howard's sense of democratic freedoms. Please improve this nonsensical tone.
HowardLeslie ( talk) 05:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
A 2008 book by Spanish writer José Rey Ximena claims that Howard was on a top-secret mission for Churchill to dissuade Francisco Franco, Spain's authoritarian dictator and head of state, from joining the Axis powers.
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A documentary on Churchill's bodyguard shown on BBC2 last weekend seemed to add weight to the theory that Howard's plane was shot down in attempt on Churchill's life. It suggested, or perhaps merely speculated, that Churchill (who was due to fly back to the UK on the same evening as Howard's flight) had been aware of a possible attempt to shoot him down through secret Enigma decodings and had ordered his bodyguard to disable one of the engines of his plane in order for there to be an apparently legitimate explanation for him not flying back that evening. Churchill had made it clear that there should always be an alternate reason to explain actions initiated by the interception of German secret messages, in order to prevent the Germans from guessing that their codes has been broken. The documentary contained apparently new insight into the mystery of the engine fault. Jooler 21:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I can only find this in the London Gazette which suggest he served until 1916 Steiner&exact=&atleast=&similar= as an 2nd Lt Kernel Saunters ( talk) 14:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The infomation on his death was supposed to revealed this year (2008) but has been held back till 2025... any thoughts on why :O should this be put in? it was on BBC radio 4 program on Howards death —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.116.146 ( talk) 17:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
89.164.231.121 ( talk) 22:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC) "using "Stainer" as less German-sounding" - but this surname sounds very German! Probably he used Leslie Howard instead Leslie Howard Stainer.
The third paragraph in the "Film Career" section mentions the movie Petrified Forest, and the fact that Howard insisted on Bogart as his co-star, rather than the studio's choice (Edward G. Robinson), and adds that Bogart remained grateful to Howard for the rest of his life. The last sentence adds that Fritz Freleng later made a cartoon parody of the movie. I removed that last sentence because it is irrelevant to Howard, and it was added back on the grounds that it is "not at all non-consequential", and had a reference.
Citing a reference does not make an irrelevant sentence relevant. Could the user who added it back please explain why it is relevant to an article about Leslie Howard's life, and why it would be part of his film career section (as opposed to "Legacy"), if it needs to be there at all?
It is certainly relevant to the article about the movie itself, and is in that article -- is that not where it belongs? Please enlighten me. Cheers, DoctorJoeE ( talk) 15:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
"The bumped passengers were the teenage sons of Cornelia Stuyvesant Vanderbilt: George and William Cecil, who had been recalled to London from their Swiss boarding school. Being bumped by Howard saved their lives."
No explanation previous to this about bumping.
In the article on flight 777, it says, "Three passengers seated on the DC-3 disembarked before departure. Derek Partridge, the young son of a British diplomat, and Dora Rove, his nanny, were "bumped" to make room for Howard and Chenhalls"
/info/en/?search=BOAC_Flight_777 Justaquick ( talk) 11:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
My grandfather Max talks about how he and his brother Jo boarded the fight, and were both disembarked before departure. Bens ( talk) 04:10, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages as proposed at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 15:43, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
– Subject has a place in history as a legendary performer and his entry, created by User:Deb on 10 September 2002, stood alone until 30 October 2005 when, upon the creation of Leslie Howard (musician), it was moved. Nearly thirteen years later, it should be returned to the standalone main header, Leslie Howard. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Quoting: "He left the United States for the last time with his wife and daughter in August, 1939, and Cunnington soon followed. She appeared in "Pimpernel" Smith (1941) and The First of the Few (1942) in minor roles under the stage name of Suzanne Clair. She died of pneumonia in her early 30s in 1942, just six months before Howard's death. Howard left her his Beverly Hills house in his will.[28][29]"
In one's will, one cannot leave anything to a dead person. Ms. Cunnington died six months before Mr. Howard. Even if Mr. Howard neglected to change his will (in that much time?), the so-called bequeathal to her of his house in Beverly Hills was null and void under American law. Furthermore, she did not seem to have a husband or any children.
Also, even if the bequeathal were still valid here, it was meaningless because she was dead already. The whole thing sounds like rubbish, and it does not belong in the Wikipedia.
24.121.195.165 (
talk) 03:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
History Lunatic ( talk) 19:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)History Lunatic
It was at this time, while filming Pygmalion (1938), he met Violette Cunnington, a beautiful actress with whom he fell profoundly in love. As the Anschluss took place in Europe, the Nazis posed a serious threat to Howard's sense of democratic freedoms.
This writing is disjointed to put it mildly. First of all he falls profoundly in love, and then we are jabbering on about Howard's sense of democratic freedoms. Please improve this nonsensical tone.
HowardLeslie ( talk) 05:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
A 2008 book by Spanish writer José Rey Ximena claims that Howard was on a top-secret mission for Churchill to dissuade Francisco Franco, Spain's authoritarian dictator and head of state, from joining the Axis powers.