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Most of this article seems to be a straight quote from : http://leopold-trepper.biography.ms/ But it has some major innaccuracies. I will try to correct them later.
I'm very shocked reading the following statement: "Germany forced him to betray most of his contacts. They tried to run him as a double agent in Paris but NKVD eventually figured out that he had been turned." It seems to follow the old 50's and 60's black legend against this outstanding anti-nazi spy, leader of the most important soviet spy ring in occupied Europe and Germany. You should read the in-deep work by Gilles Perrault: The Red Orchestra (L'Orchestre Rouge). Being captured by the nazi counterintelligence, Trepper continued fighting against nazis from prision performing a double-game against them, destroying the german intoxication operation against soviet intelligence services, the Great Game, a diplomatic and intelligence german attemp to broke the British/U.S.-Soviet Union alliance. Eventually he escaped and fully alerted Moscu about the Great Game.
I think this a serious issue. This man represents dozens of members from the Red Orchestra, people from many nationalities, from many ideologies, who fighted with outstanding heroism against the nazism, many of them beign tortured and executed.
H.Sokol
"In 1938 Trepper was sent to organize and coordinate an intelligence network in Nazi-occupied Europe, based in Belgium." But there was no occupation of Belgium until 1940. Grant | Talk 14:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
To begin: I cannot substantiate this discussion. He left Poland traveling through Denmark. Denmark at first refused his entry. I personally had dinner with the Danish ambassader to Poland approximately one week prior to the Danish government giving him (Trepper) permission to enter Denmark. The ambassader said, "Why should we assist him? He made a pact with the devil (meaning Stalin)". I believe I convinced him otherwise. Denma15:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Azzoy ( talk)rk allowed him entry two days later.
I’ll have to double check if it’s an independent source, but Trepper is also mentioned/discussed in chapter 13 ("Rhapsody in Red") of Burn after Reading: the Espionage History of World War II (Farago, Ladislas). Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
In 1938, Trepper was sent to organize and coordinate an intelligence network in Nazi-occupied Europe, based in Belgium. The Gestapo named it the Red Orchestra (Die Rote Kapelle). Prior to the German attack on the Soviet Union, he sent information about German troop transfers from other fronts for Operation Barbarossa through a Soviet military attaché in Vichy France. Eventually, the Gestapo uncovered the network and Trepper fled to France.
In France, Trepper established another network, but eventually the Abwehr tracked him down.
p.110 of Kesaris. Who he betrayed. scope_creep Talk 09:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
In the epilogue to The Great Game, Trepper wrote,
I do not regret the commitment of my youth, I do not regret the paths I have taken. In Denmark, in the fall of 1973, a young man asked me in a public meeting, "Haven't you sacrificed your life for nothing?" I replied, "No." "No" on one condition: that people understand the lesson of my life as a communist and a revolutionary, and do not turn themselves over to a deified party. I know that youth will succeed where we have failed, that socialism will triumph and that it will not have the colour of the Russian tanks that crushed Prague."
Perrault. 242 scope_creep Talk 22:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Simexco
January 1941 Simexco in Belgium. p.37 Gurevich setup simexco?
Gurevich gave him up.
Georgie de Winter, stayed in Belgium with their son, Patrick, but in March 1941 she moved to Paris to be with Trepper. France
In July 1940, Trepper fled Belgium along with Grossvogel and moved to Paris, to make it his new base.[31]
His assistants were Grossvogel and Hillel Katz.
Some point took over from Robinson, when arrived in France.
p.298. Nature of the network. Perrault. scope_creep Talk 21:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
357. Giering allowed Trepper to go and see Juliette Moussier - Need a date for this. 358. Passed report to Juliette Moussier. Giering played him. 359. Spent next 6 months on funkspiel. Use date above.
Juliette affair was last big success for giering. scope_creep Talk 15:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Should we regard this person as a collaborator? May raise some complex issues. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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Transferred this comment from the page: - Nilmerg 10:06, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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Most of this article seems to be a straight quote from : http://leopold-trepper.biography.ms/ But it has some major innaccuracies. I will try to correct them later.
I'm very shocked reading the following statement: "Germany forced him to betray most of his contacts. They tried to run him as a double agent in Paris but NKVD eventually figured out that he had been turned." It seems to follow the old 50's and 60's black legend against this outstanding anti-nazi spy, leader of the most important soviet spy ring in occupied Europe and Germany. You should read the in-deep work by Gilles Perrault: The Red Orchestra (L'Orchestre Rouge). Being captured by the nazi counterintelligence, Trepper continued fighting against nazis from prision performing a double-game against them, destroying the german intoxication operation against soviet intelligence services, the Great Game, a diplomatic and intelligence german attemp to broke the British/U.S.-Soviet Union alliance. Eventually he escaped and fully alerted Moscu about the Great Game.
I think this a serious issue. This man represents dozens of members from the Red Orchestra, people from many nationalities, from many ideologies, who fighted with outstanding heroism against the nazism, many of them beign tortured and executed.
H.Sokol
"In 1938 Trepper was sent to organize and coordinate an intelligence network in Nazi-occupied Europe, based in Belgium." But there was no occupation of Belgium until 1940. Grant | Talk 14:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
To begin: I cannot substantiate this discussion. He left Poland traveling through Denmark. Denmark at first refused his entry. I personally had dinner with the Danish ambassader to Poland approximately one week prior to the Danish government giving him (Trepper) permission to enter Denmark. The ambassader said, "Why should we assist him? He made a pact with the devil (meaning Stalin)". I believe I convinced him otherwise. Denma15:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Azzoy ( talk)rk allowed him entry two days later.
I’ll have to double check if it’s an independent source, but Trepper is also mentioned/discussed in chapter 13 ("Rhapsody in Red") of Burn after Reading: the Espionage History of World War II (Farago, Ladislas). Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
In 1938, Trepper was sent to organize and coordinate an intelligence network in Nazi-occupied Europe, based in Belgium. The Gestapo named it the Red Orchestra (Die Rote Kapelle). Prior to the German attack on the Soviet Union, he sent information about German troop transfers from other fronts for Operation Barbarossa through a Soviet military attaché in Vichy France. Eventually, the Gestapo uncovered the network and Trepper fled to France.
In France, Trepper established another network, but eventually the Abwehr tracked him down.
p.110 of Kesaris. Who he betrayed. scope_creep Talk 09:35, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
In the epilogue to The Great Game, Trepper wrote,
I do not regret the commitment of my youth, I do not regret the paths I have taken. In Denmark, in the fall of 1973, a young man asked me in a public meeting, "Haven't you sacrificed your life for nothing?" I replied, "No." "No" on one condition: that people understand the lesson of my life as a communist and a revolutionary, and do not turn themselves over to a deified party. I know that youth will succeed where we have failed, that socialism will triumph and that it will not have the colour of the Russian tanks that crushed Prague."
Perrault. 242 scope_creep Talk 22:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Simexco
January 1941 Simexco in Belgium. p.37 Gurevich setup simexco?
Gurevich gave him up.
Georgie de Winter, stayed in Belgium with their son, Patrick, but in March 1941 she moved to Paris to be with Trepper. France
In July 1940, Trepper fled Belgium along with Grossvogel and moved to Paris, to make it his new base.[31]
His assistants were Grossvogel and Hillel Katz.
Some point took over from Robinson, when arrived in France.
p.298. Nature of the network. Perrault. scope_creep Talk 21:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
357. Giering allowed Trepper to go and see Juliette Moussier - Need a date for this. 358. Passed report to Juliette Moussier. Giering played him. 359. Spent next 6 months on funkspiel. Use date above.
Juliette affair was last big success for giering. scope_creep Talk 15:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Should we regard this person as a collaborator? May raise some complex issues. PatGallacher ( talk) 19:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)