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it says she was catholic on tony's page— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.227.36 ( talk) 21:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to know what that was supposed to mean in the context of early twentieth century Britain. Flapdragon 03:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
That would be quite unusual I suppose, and there might be a good story there. But since there's no clue offered, we're just guessing really. It might well be someone using the term in the American sense of "not rich, not poor, just middling". I'd have thought the lifestyle (as opposed to origins) of a travelling entertainer would be inherently working-class. According to thepeerage.com, "May Augusta Ridgway Bridson [Leo's mother] was born circa 1887 in Mickleton, Gloucestershire, England. She is the daughter of Augustus William Bridson and Maria Emily Montford. She married, thirdly, Charles Parsons. She married, secondly, Hugh Alexander Wilson. Her married name became Tordiffe. She was a dancer. Her married name became Wilson. Her married name became Parsons. May Augusta Ridgway Bridson used the stage-name of Celia Ridgway." I wonder why her birth-date is approximate: I'd have thought that by 1887 even a respectable working-class person would appear in parish registers etc. Also, why was she born in Gloucestershire if it's true, as the Times says, that "the daughter of a wealthy Sussex landowner". Unless anyone knows anything reliable about the family background of the Parsonses I'd say we should probably ditch the adjective. Flapdragon 11:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
So really there's no such thing as class structure, just income brackets?! Anyone who has money is upper-class? Well I suppose this isn't really the place for that discussion but I'd have thought it was pretty uncontroversial that, in Britain at least, social class has almost nothing to do with money. Otherwise Wikipedia wouldn't need a whole big article discussing this thorny subject ("In the United Kingdom, social status has historically been linked less directly to wealth than in the United States, and has also been judged by pointers such as accent, manners, place of education, occupation and the class of a person's family, circle of friends and acquaintances", etc). Anyway, it seems that there is some kind of backstory here about Blair's grandmother rejecting a respectable or even privileged background, but quite what that was we don't know. Flapdragon 01:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Good stuff. Might be worth incorporating some of it here assuming decent sources exist (there are some oddnesses as noted above but its seems sound). Flapdragon 12:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
There is no recorded date of birth of Blair? -- Dionysos1988 ( talk) 02:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
It says in Tony Blair's journey his father joined the army as a private and ended as an acting Major presumably in the Second World War. Shall I add this? He became a conservative during this time and later was actiove in the Conservative Party before wanting to stand as an MP which he was only prevented from doing by sufferinga stroke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 ( talk) 10:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I think this disambiguation tag fails on two grounds:
I note that Leo Blair is currently a disambiguation page. Since when do we have such pages to distinguish between people who have articles and those who have no reasonable likelihood of ever having one? If Leo Blair junior deserves this sort of recognition here, that's almost an argument for him having his own article. But I don't hear anyone proposing such an article be created; and if they did, they'd be shot down in flames. Search for his siblings Euan, Nicky and Kathryn Blair and you get redirected to Tony Blair. But not so for young Leo. You get a disambiguation page between him and his granddad. The granddad gets the disambig tag, as if some other Leo Blair is the primary owner of the name. But the only other person of that name is a 12-year old schoolboy. We can't have it both ways. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 19:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested. -- Tavix ( talk) 02:42, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Leo Blair (barrister) → Leo Blair – This is the only Leo Blair with an article and should therefore be the primary meaning. PatGallacher ( talk) 15:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The articles says that though Blair was born in Yorkshire he was adopted by a couple from Glasgow in his infancy and brought up there. Wouldn't that make him Scottish rather than English? Llewee ( talk) 14:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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it says she was catholic on tony's page— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.50.227.36 ( talk) 21:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I'd love to know what that was supposed to mean in the context of early twentieth century Britain. Flapdragon 03:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
That would be quite unusual I suppose, and there might be a good story there. But since there's no clue offered, we're just guessing really. It might well be someone using the term in the American sense of "not rich, not poor, just middling". I'd have thought the lifestyle (as opposed to origins) of a travelling entertainer would be inherently working-class. According to thepeerage.com, "May Augusta Ridgway Bridson [Leo's mother] was born circa 1887 in Mickleton, Gloucestershire, England. She is the daughter of Augustus William Bridson and Maria Emily Montford. She married, thirdly, Charles Parsons. She married, secondly, Hugh Alexander Wilson. Her married name became Tordiffe. She was a dancer. Her married name became Wilson. Her married name became Parsons. May Augusta Ridgway Bridson used the stage-name of Celia Ridgway." I wonder why her birth-date is approximate: I'd have thought that by 1887 even a respectable working-class person would appear in parish registers etc. Also, why was she born in Gloucestershire if it's true, as the Times says, that "the daughter of a wealthy Sussex landowner". Unless anyone knows anything reliable about the family background of the Parsonses I'd say we should probably ditch the adjective. Flapdragon 11:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
So really there's no such thing as class structure, just income brackets?! Anyone who has money is upper-class? Well I suppose this isn't really the place for that discussion but I'd have thought it was pretty uncontroversial that, in Britain at least, social class has almost nothing to do with money. Otherwise Wikipedia wouldn't need a whole big article discussing this thorny subject ("In the United Kingdom, social status has historically been linked less directly to wealth than in the United States, and has also been judged by pointers such as accent, manners, place of education, occupation and the class of a person's family, circle of friends and acquaintances", etc). Anyway, it seems that there is some kind of backstory here about Blair's grandmother rejecting a respectable or even privileged background, but quite what that was we don't know. Flapdragon 01:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Good stuff. Might be worth incorporating some of it here assuming decent sources exist (there are some oddnesses as noted above but its seems sound). Flapdragon 12:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
There is no recorded date of birth of Blair? -- Dionysos1988 ( talk) 02:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
It says in Tony Blair's journey his father joined the army as a private and ended as an acting Major presumably in the Second World War. Shall I add this? He became a conservative during this time and later was actiove in the Conservative Party before wanting to stand as an MP which he was only prevented from doing by sufferinga stroke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 ( talk) 10:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I think this disambiguation tag fails on two grounds:
I note that Leo Blair is currently a disambiguation page. Since when do we have such pages to distinguish between people who have articles and those who have no reasonable likelihood of ever having one? If Leo Blair junior deserves this sort of recognition here, that's almost an argument for him having his own article. But I don't hear anyone proposing such an article be created; and if they did, they'd be shot down in flames. Search for his siblings Euan, Nicky and Kathryn Blair and you get redirected to Tony Blair. But not so for young Leo. You get a disambiguation page between him and his granddad. The granddad gets the disambig tag, as if some other Leo Blair is the primary owner of the name. But the only other person of that name is a 12-year old schoolboy. We can't have it both ways. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 19:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested. -- Tavix ( talk) 02:42, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Leo Blair (barrister) → Leo Blair – This is the only Leo Blair with an article and should therefore be the primary meaning. PatGallacher ( talk) 15:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The articles says that though Blair was born in Yorkshire he was adopted by a couple from Glasgow in his infancy and brought up there. Wouldn't that make him Scottish rather than English? Llewee ( talk) 14:37, 3 January 2021 (UTC)