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Un-redirecting this talk page, to provide a place to discuss whether this should be a dab, or whether the mathematical meaning should be primary with a dab notice at the top. I'm currently undecided. -- Trovatore
The article
lemma was moved to
lemma (mathematics), with the former being made into a disamibig. I disagree with the move, as the absolute majority of pages linking there are about the mathematical term. And even if one agrees with the move, one needs to disambiguate the links, and having them point to the correct destination. I asked the person who did the move to comment here. Other opinions welcome.
Oleg Alexandrov
21:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I think it is probably better this way. -- MarSch 11:12, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I suggest that this discussion (that is, all the above text) be moved to, and continued at, Talk:Lemma. That's a better place for people to find it in the future, and it's "neutral ground" so to speak. -- Trovatore 16:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the vast majority or people who, when searching for "lemma" or linking to it, will want the mathematical meaning. For reference here are some Google search results:
search string | hits |
lemma | 5,310,000 |
lemma proof | 4,200,000 |
lemma theorem | 3,880,000 |
lemma mathematics | 2,080,000 |
lemma corollary | 1,870,000 |
lemma word | 630,000 |
lemma morphology | 81,600 |
lemma linguistics | 80,700 |
Paul August ☎ 19:06, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Move to Lemma (disambiguation). English Wikipedia has a big linguistics section, but only two serious links to Lemma (linguistics), from Morpheme and List of linguistic topics, and three linguistics links to Lemma: Lemmatisation, Scholium and perhaps English plural though not Mathematics as a language. -- Henrygb 00:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Primary topic disambiguation should only be used when one term is clearly and substantially more salient than all the others. This is not the case for "lemma". It is true that mathematics as a field is larger and older than linguistics, and thus the term is overall more commonly used for mathematics. However, the importance of the two meanings is about the same, and there is no legitimate reason to prefer the mathematic term simply because mathematics is an older, larger, and more powerful field. Those facts do not make it a more important field. Nohat 18:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Note about the use of lemma in linguistics: The term lemma is not used all that often in theoretical linguistics because the thing it describes has only a practical use, not a theoretical one, because a lemma is just a form chosen for convention to represent a lexeme. However, among lexicographers, a group that has even smaller representation on Wikipedia than linguists, the term is critically important. I think it is very provincial (and frankly offensive) of any mathematician to presume that the linguistic meaning of the term is so insignificant so as to deserve only secondary topic disambiguation and not standard disambiguation. Nohat 19:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I also want to note that that primary topic disambiguation is not meant to be used in all cases where the distribution of usage is not exactly equal, but only where one meaning has a clear and obvious precedence over all the others. If the former were the case, then every disambiguation would be primary topic disambiguation, because every term has some usage which is greater than all the others (if only by a tiny margin). Clearly this is not how the policy was meant to be implemented, so the burden of proof lies with those who advocate primary topic disambiguation to demonstrate compellingly and clearly that one meaning is truly primary in a qualitative way, and not merely first among equals. Nohat 20:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 00:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I have now removed the above template from the article "uninflected word" as this and the article "lemma" should not be merged as they are two entirely different and separate concepts. If need be any discussion about this should take place in the talk page of "uninflected word" rather than here. Dieter Simon 23:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I typed in lemma "(linguistics)" in the Wik search box and got redirected to this page. But there is no directly matching blue link. I suppose "Headword" is what the "answer" is supposed to be -- but I didn't know that Wik was actually a puzzle instead of an encyclopedia. 211.225.33.104 ( talk) 06:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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Un-redirecting this talk page, to provide a place to discuss whether this should be a dab, or whether the mathematical meaning should be primary with a dab notice at the top. I'm currently undecided. -- Trovatore
The article
lemma was moved to
lemma (mathematics), with the former being made into a disamibig. I disagree with the move, as the absolute majority of pages linking there are about the mathematical term. And even if one agrees with the move, one needs to disambiguate the links, and having them point to the correct destination. I asked the person who did the move to comment here. Other opinions welcome.
Oleg Alexandrov
21:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I think it is probably better this way. -- MarSch 11:12, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I suggest that this discussion (that is, all the above text) be moved to, and continued at, Talk:Lemma. That's a better place for people to find it in the future, and it's "neutral ground" so to speak. -- Trovatore 16:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the vast majority or people who, when searching for "lemma" or linking to it, will want the mathematical meaning. For reference here are some Google search results:
search string | hits |
lemma | 5,310,000 |
lemma proof | 4,200,000 |
lemma theorem | 3,880,000 |
lemma mathematics | 2,080,000 |
lemma corollary | 1,870,000 |
lemma word | 630,000 |
lemma morphology | 81,600 |
lemma linguistics | 80,700 |
Paul August ☎ 19:06, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Move to Lemma (disambiguation). English Wikipedia has a big linguistics section, but only two serious links to Lemma (linguistics), from Morpheme and List of linguistic topics, and three linguistics links to Lemma: Lemmatisation, Scholium and perhaps English plural though not Mathematics as a language. -- Henrygb 00:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Primary topic disambiguation should only be used when one term is clearly and substantially more salient than all the others. This is not the case for "lemma". It is true that mathematics as a field is larger and older than linguistics, and thus the term is overall more commonly used for mathematics. However, the importance of the two meanings is about the same, and there is no legitimate reason to prefer the mathematic term simply because mathematics is an older, larger, and more powerful field. Those facts do not make it a more important field. Nohat 18:51, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Note about the use of lemma in linguistics: The term lemma is not used all that often in theoretical linguistics because the thing it describes has only a practical use, not a theoretical one, because a lemma is just a form chosen for convention to represent a lexeme. However, among lexicographers, a group that has even smaller representation on Wikipedia than linguists, the term is critically important. I think it is very provincial (and frankly offensive) of any mathematician to presume that the linguistic meaning of the term is so insignificant so as to deserve only secondary topic disambiguation and not standard disambiguation. Nohat 19:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I also want to note that that primary topic disambiguation is not meant to be used in all cases where the distribution of usage is not exactly equal, but only where one meaning has a clear and obvious precedence over all the others. If the former were the case, then every disambiguation would be primary topic disambiguation, because every term has some usage which is greater than all the others (if only by a tiny margin). Clearly this is not how the policy was meant to be implemented, so the burden of proof lies with those who advocate primary topic disambiguation to demonstrate compellingly and clearly that one meaning is truly primary in a qualitative way, and not merely first among equals. Nohat 20:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 00:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I have now removed the above template from the article "uninflected word" as this and the article "lemma" should not be merged as they are two entirely different and separate concepts. If need be any discussion about this should take place in the talk page of "uninflected word" rather than here. Dieter Simon 23:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I typed in lemma "(linguistics)" in the Wik search box and got redirected to this page. But there is no directly matching blue link. I suppose "Headword" is what the "answer" is supposed to be -- but I didn't know that Wik was actually a puzzle instead of an encyclopedia. 211.225.33.104 ( talk) 06:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)