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"New Jersey and Michigan do not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 resp. 16 years of age or older." Is incorrect for Michigan, in Michigan it's been classified as criminal sexual conduct in the third degree felony with up to 15 years in prison or fourth degree misdemeanor with up to 2 years in prison and/or a $500 fine under 750.520d and 750.520e of the Michigan Penal Code since at least 1996. I've removed Michigan from the paragraph but not sure how to go about listing it in the penalties.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-01-29/news/9601290060_1_incest-criminal-sexual-conduct-michigan
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28niqbnjyxyzuewlaxnnpat5bl%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-520d
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28niqbnjyxyzuewlaxnnpat5bl%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-520e
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This picture about Sweden is wrong but the text is right. Incest between family members are prohibited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.103.195.26 ( talk) 19:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the section on the June 25, 2008 United States Supreme Court ruling in Kennedy v. Louisiana for factual errors (It's not the 'USA Supreme Court,' there aren't 54 states in the Union, etc.) and because the case was about child rape, not incest. - Ddawn23 ( talk) 07:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Or something like that. I removed a bit of self-promotion but left the mention of the individual in question. I'd add a [citation needed] tag if I remembered how. 66.91.223.207 ( talk) 07:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Why was there some kind of case study report instead of the actual legal situation? Doesn't make any sense IMHO, instead of it I'm going to write down a translated abstract from the German Wiki article [1]. 85.181.186.210 ( talk) 14:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
There are very few references here, and mach of it has no references at all. To take just one, Belgium - "Incest is legal in Belgium." Do we have any references and what is the definition of incest in Belgium?-- Lord Don-Jam ( talk) 11:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I read this too and it’s wrong. But some are now in 2022 trying to outlaw all incest in France and other countries are pushing them to do so.
David S. Lawyer 08:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
The criminal law in the UK is divided into that of Scotland, that of England and Wales, and that of Northern Ireland. Scotland certainly has a different law of incest and so I have amended the section accordingly).. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.22.29 ( talk) 11:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently doing my undergrad thesis on Scots incest law. I'll add something soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.149.97 ( talk) 12:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, the UK section says "parent (including adoptive parent), grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece", but not cousin. Are cousins exempt, and if so, why? If not, should it be added? 86.26.228.53 ( talk) 22:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
The way it says makes it look like 'everything is allowed', but that uncle/niece thing. Sure consensual sex is not a crime, but the fact is, for marriage, laws are much more strict. Marriage between 'vertical' relatives (father/mother - son/daughter - grandson/granddaughter) is forbidden on all ocassions. But 'lateral' relatives closer than uncle (siblings) is forbidden, while further than uncle (cousins) is completely unhindered. I just don't know how to word that any nicer. For references (in pt-br): http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/2002/L10406.htm (official govt site with the current Civil Code of law, Art. 1.521 says about marriage obstructions (blood-family, affinity-family (in-laws, adoption), already married people and... the surviving spouse with the person convicted of killing the other spouse (lol)). 189.123.140.7 ( talk) 04:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The site: http://doctor.ndtv.com/ used as refrence seems fishy
does anyone have access to this reference that purports that incest is legal in rhode island? http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE15/15-1/index.HTM appears to disagree. 108.206.152.174 ( talk) 01:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The NDAA has an article on incest laws: Rhode Island is marked as allowing it. http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/criminal_incest%20chart%20_2010.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jathara ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The article says that "In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition." The NDAA article is clear that Rhode Island does have such laws. They are looser for Jewish communities than for the remainder of the state, but they still exist and are enforced. Likewise the article says that "Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989". While that may or may not be true, the fact that they do currently have incest laws makes the statement at best highly misleading. 108.206.152.174 ( talk) 07:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
The United States Laws section ends with the following: UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has questioned the rationale behind laws prohibiting incest, at least as they apply to sex between adults. [1]
I really hate cliffhangers like that. It tells us that someone has questioned the rationale behind the laws, but says nothing about what was said or what the outcome was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.193.12 ( talk) 23:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
The United States sentencing section is incredibly inaccurate. Life imprisonment is not a punishment for incest in Georgia (10-30 years, or 25-50 if minor), Alabama (2-20, or 10-20 if minor) or Mississippi (5 years and/or a fine of 500 dollars), and those are just the three I checked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.90.150 ( talk) 21:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
References
Why no info on these laws in the Middle East? 86.164.246.89 ( talk) 23:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the details of what constitutes incest, the line: "In all jurisdictions except New South Wales incest is sexual intercourse between a “lineal ancestor” and a “lineal descendant”." seems to imply that, except for NSW, other areas do not consider sibling/half-sibling relationships as incest. A quick google search finds this to not be true (using Vic as an example):
"(4) A person must not take part in an act of sexual penetration with a person whom he or she knows to be his or her sister, half-sister, brother or half-brother." [Source: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s44.html]
Vic: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s44.html
SA: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s72.html
ACT: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/act/consol_act/ca190082/s62.html
NSW: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s78a.html
QLD: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s222.html
(no time to find other states/territories)
Thus, I think the legislation of each state needs to be checked and this section needs to be reworded.
-- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master 11:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
In order not to deem the whole article as incomplete or inaccurate, I temporally removed the image of the world map with the law status, until such time is complete and accurate. Please see the talk page of the image for detailed justification. Wolfymoza ( talk) 09:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Ukraine is listed as a country where incest is illegal. Yet the cited article 155 paragraph 2 of the Criminal Code deals with the issue of sex with immature person. Paragraph 2 basically clarifies the article and sets stricter punishment if a crime was committed by a parent or guardian. As such, the issue of incestuous sex between consent adults seems to be not clarified in the code at all.
Could someone double-check my findings and maybe fix the corresponding section?
I did it before I saw the above post. I found the answer in Russian, a language used by many in Ukraine. Incest is legal there. David S. Lawyer 06:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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I am far from knowledgeble in this parts of law, but text this entry probable includes lapsus.
In other similar entries of this table when citing what's illegal between generations, it says:
e.g. sexual intercourse with other sex within ancestors and progeny is declared illegal.
Currently the text in the entry Tanzania is:
This is not consistent with other entries in Table, and also does not seem logical. As it is, "Same-sex relations are always prohibited" would already prohibit what both previous statemnts declare illegal.
Probably (male) and (female) should be exchanged in this entry? -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 04:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
There's a bit of nonsense talk at the bottom of the page. ( talk) 22:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I think a world map would be helpful, especially because other articles on laws by country have them. JoeSmoe2828 ( talk) 17:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Incest seems to be legal because it isn't forbidden. However, the source is just the entire penal code. Are there any guidelines for sourcing in these cases? 190.190.171.217 ( talk) 06:53, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
The articles states this: "In most states, sexual activity between a lineal ancestor and a lineal descendant (parent, grandparent with child or grandchild), siblings (brother-sister) and aunt-nephew, uncle-niece is penalized as incest." So since sister-sister and brother-brother incest is not specifically named, the article seems to imply these relations are not illegal. Of course they are, so the article is seriously wanting here, and somewhat hetero-centric I must say. To support that last claim, notice also the omission of aunt-niece and uncle-nephew. Why does it call out specifically only hetero relations? Come on folks.
Does allowance of incest in a country mean it is also allowed if, for example, a mother and son want to get married in that country? If not, shouldn't we add a marriage part in the map and the table? For example, I know about a Zimbabwean mother and son (Betty and Farai Mbereko) who got married in their homeland; and also, a French stepmom and stepson (Elisabeth Lorentz and Eric Holder) who got married in France. Aminabzz ( talk) 15:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Why are some countries not on it even if they're colored on the map? Masterball2 ( talk) 03:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
The information in this article is misleading. It names several European countries where as if incest is legal. That is false! In Latvia, for example, it is illegal and stated by the Civil Law. Similarly in other European countries. 2A03:EC00:B185:980:9BC:F32B:8E34:A0CE ( talk) 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Lots of countries are listed as legal while they aren't, or at least it can't be confirmed that incest is legal there. Only countries of which the legality of incest can be proven can be listed as legal.
For example Belize and the Bahamas were set back to legal while incest is illegal there, the laws forbidding it have not been repealed. Thus the page was made false while it was accurate before. Think before you set a country to legal, is it really legal? 77.166.93.14 ( talk) 19:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I kindly request if it's possible to update the map for my country Chile, since consensual incest is illegal and it has been for a long time. I've just added information and source (in Spanish) to the table. Hopefully it can be done. Thanks in advance. 186.34.109.70 ( talk) 02:00, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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"New Jersey and Michigan do not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 resp. 16 years of age or older." Is incorrect for Michigan, in Michigan it's been classified as criminal sexual conduct in the third degree felony with up to 15 years in prison or fourth degree misdemeanor with up to 2 years in prison and/or a $500 fine under 750.520d and 750.520e of the Michigan Penal Code since at least 1996. I've removed Michigan from the paragraph but not sure how to go about listing it in the penalties.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-01-29/news/9601290060_1_incest-criminal-sexual-conduct-michigan
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28niqbnjyxyzuewlaxnnpat5bl%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-520d
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28niqbnjyxyzuewlaxnnpat5bl%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-520e
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This picture about Sweden is wrong but the text is right. Incest between family members are prohibited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.103.195.26 ( talk) 19:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the section on the June 25, 2008 United States Supreme Court ruling in Kennedy v. Louisiana for factual errors (It's not the 'USA Supreme Court,' there aren't 54 states in the Union, etc.) and because the case was about child rape, not incest. - Ddawn23 ( talk) 07:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Or something like that. I removed a bit of self-promotion but left the mention of the individual in question. I'd add a [citation needed] tag if I remembered how. 66.91.223.207 ( talk) 07:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Why was there some kind of case study report instead of the actual legal situation? Doesn't make any sense IMHO, instead of it I'm going to write down a translated abstract from the German Wiki article [1]. 85.181.186.210 ( talk) 14:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
There are very few references here, and mach of it has no references at all. To take just one, Belgium - "Incest is legal in Belgium." Do we have any references and what is the definition of incest in Belgium?-- Lord Don-Jam ( talk) 11:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I read this too and it’s wrong. But some are now in 2022 trying to outlaw all incest in France and other countries are pushing them to do so.
David S. Lawyer 08:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
The criminal law in the UK is divided into that of Scotland, that of England and Wales, and that of Northern Ireland. Scotland certainly has a different law of incest and so I have amended the section accordingly).. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.22.29 ( talk) 11:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently doing my undergrad thesis on Scots incest law. I'll add something soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.149.97 ( talk) 12:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, the UK section says "parent (including adoptive parent), grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece", but not cousin. Are cousins exempt, and if so, why? If not, should it be added? 86.26.228.53 ( talk) 22:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
The way it says makes it look like 'everything is allowed', but that uncle/niece thing. Sure consensual sex is not a crime, but the fact is, for marriage, laws are much more strict. Marriage between 'vertical' relatives (father/mother - son/daughter - grandson/granddaughter) is forbidden on all ocassions. But 'lateral' relatives closer than uncle (siblings) is forbidden, while further than uncle (cousins) is completely unhindered. I just don't know how to word that any nicer. For references (in pt-br): http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/2002/L10406.htm (official govt site with the current Civil Code of law, Art. 1.521 says about marriage obstructions (blood-family, affinity-family (in-laws, adoption), already married people and... the surviving spouse with the person convicted of killing the other spouse (lol)). 189.123.140.7 ( talk) 04:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
The site: http://doctor.ndtv.com/ used as refrence seems fishy
does anyone have access to this reference that purports that incest is legal in rhode island? http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE15/15-1/index.HTM appears to disagree. 108.206.152.174 ( talk) 01:05, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
The NDAA has an article on incest laws: Rhode Island is marked as allowing it. http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/criminal_incest%20chart%20_2010.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jathara ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The article says that "In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition." The NDAA article is clear that Rhode Island does have such laws. They are looser for Jewish communities than for the remainder of the state, but they still exist and are enforced. Likewise the article says that "Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989". While that may or may not be true, the fact that they do currently have incest laws makes the statement at best highly misleading. 108.206.152.174 ( talk) 07:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
The United States Laws section ends with the following: UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has questioned the rationale behind laws prohibiting incest, at least as they apply to sex between adults. [1]
I really hate cliffhangers like that. It tells us that someone has questioned the rationale behind the laws, but says nothing about what was said or what the outcome was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.193.12 ( talk) 23:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
The United States sentencing section is incredibly inaccurate. Life imprisonment is not a punishment for incest in Georgia (10-30 years, or 25-50 if minor), Alabama (2-20, or 10-20 if minor) or Mississippi (5 years and/or a fine of 500 dollars), and those are just the three I checked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.90.150 ( talk) 21:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
References
Why no info on these laws in the Middle East? 86.164.246.89 ( talk) 23:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the details of what constitutes incest, the line: "In all jurisdictions except New South Wales incest is sexual intercourse between a “lineal ancestor” and a “lineal descendant”." seems to imply that, except for NSW, other areas do not consider sibling/half-sibling relationships as incest. A quick google search finds this to not be true (using Vic as an example):
"(4) A person must not take part in an act of sexual penetration with a person whom he or she knows to be his or her sister, half-sister, brother or half-brother." [Source: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s44.html]
Vic: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s44.html
SA: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s72.html
ACT: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/act/consol_act/ca190082/s62.html
NSW: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s78a.html
QLD: http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s222.html
(no time to find other states/territories)
Thus, I think the legislation of each state needs to be checked and this section needs to be reworded.
-- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master 11:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
In order not to deem the whole article as incomplete or inaccurate, I temporally removed the image of the world map with the law status, until such time is complete and accurate. Please see the talk page of the image for detailed justification. Wolfymoza ( talk) 09:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Ukraine is listed as a country where incest is illegal. Yet the cited article 155 paragraph 2 of the Criminal Code deals with the issue of sex with immature person. Paragraph 2 basically clarifies the article and sets stricter punishment if a crime was committed by a parent or guardian. As such, the issue of incestuous sex between consent adults seems to be not clarified in the code at all.
Could someone double-check my findings and maybe fix the corresponding section?
I did it before I saw the above post. I found the answer in Russian, a language used by many in Ukraine. Incest is legal there. David S. Lawyer 06:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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I am far from knowledgeble in this parts of law, but text this entry probable includes lapsus.
In other similar entries of this table when citing what's illegal between generations, it says:
e.g. sexual intercourse with other sex within ancestors and progeny is declared illegal.
Currently the text in the entry Tanzania is:
This is not consistent with other entries in Table, and also does not seem logical. As it is, "Same-sex relations are always prohibited" would already prohibit what both previous statemnts declare illegal.
Probably (male) and (female) should be exchanged in this entry? -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 04:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
There's a bit of nonsense talk at the bottom of the page. ( talk) 22:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I think a world map would be helpful, especially because other articles on laws by country have them. JoeSmoe2828 ( talk) 17:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Incest seems to be legal because it isn't forbidden. However, the source is just the entire penal code. Are there any guidelines for sourcing in these cases? 190.190.171.217 ( talk) 06:53, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
The articles states this: "In most states, sexual activity between a lineal ancestor and a lineal descendant (parent, grandparent with child or grandchild), siblings (brother-sister) and aunt-nephew, uncle-niece is penalized as incest." So since sister-sister and brother-brother incest is not specifically named, the article seems to imply these relations are not illegal. Of course they are, so the article is seriously wanting here, and somewhat hetero-centric I must say. To support that last claim, notice also the omission of aunt-niece and uncle-nephew. Why does it call out specifically only hetero relations? Come on folks.
Does allowance of incest in a country mean it is also allowed if, for example, a mother and son want to get married in that country? If not, shouldn't we add a marriage part in the map and the table? For example, I know about a Zimbabwean mother and son (Betty and Farai Mbereko) who got married in their homeland; and also, a French stepmom and stepson (Elisabeth Lorentz and Eric Holder) who got married in France. Aminabzz ( talk) 15:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Why are some countries not on it even if they're colored on the map? Masterball2 ( talk) 03:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
The information in this article is misleading. It names several European countries where as if incest is legal. That is false! In Latvia, for example, it is illegal and stated by the Civil Law. Similarly in other European countries. 2A03:EC00:B185:980:9BC:F32B:8E34:A0CE ( talk) 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Lots of countries are listed as legal while they aren't, or at least it can't be confirmed that incest is legal there. Only countries of which the legality of incest can be proven can be listed as legal.
For example Belize and the Bahamas were set back to legal while incest is illegal there, the laws forbidding it have not been repealed. Thus the page was made false while it was accurate before. Think before you set a country to legal, is it really legal? 77.166.93.14 ( talk) 19:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I kindly request if it's possible to update the map for my country Chile, since consensual incest is illegal and it has been for a long time. I've just added information and source (in Spanish) to the table. Hopefully it can be done. Thanks in advance. 186.34.109.70 ( talk) 02:00, 7 October 2023 (UTC)