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It is bizarre that the "history" of leg spin bowling appears to begin only in the 1980s and contains exactly one notable incident since.
Earlier versions of this article contained a list of notable leg spin bowlers. For someone trying to learn a little about the history of the game, this was invaluable. I don't know what caused this to be removed, but, whatever it was, it was regrettable. You can argue if so-and-so belongs on the list, but it is vastly better to have such a list and such arguments than not to have the list at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vonhangman ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
The article states that leg spin is "more dangerous than the turn into the batsman generated by an off spinner". This sounds to me like opinion. I think it should possibly be removed, or at least softened to something like "many batsmen find leg spin more difficult to face than the turn into the batsmen generated by an off spinner". — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaleBlueDot79 ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
If you want to change it, then change it.
Py0alb ( talk) 11:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
But what about left handed leg spin bowlers? Why do they not get as much turn as right handed ones?
I think, that as left arm leg spinners are so rare that they are usually just left handed versions of say, Anil kumble. ie they do not turn it. I am a sure a decent left arm leg spinner would get as much turn as Warne.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Leftarmchinaman ( talk • contribs)
Yes, theoretically a SLC, could be as good as a leg spinner but a quality left arm leg spinner is so rare, that in praticse an accurate big spinning- left arm leg spinner would be an once in a lifetime find. And yes, a SLA should be able to bowl a dooasra, i think Monty Pansear is developing one.
I feel that their should be some information in their on drift.
As a leg spin bowler myself, I would like to suggest that it is not always important to impart large amounts of spin as it appears to be suggested in the article. Just as variation in flight is important, so is variation in both spin direction and spin amount. The article seems to suggest that leg spin is hard to play because of the large amount of spin and I think that this is over simplifying things somewhat. The article also seems to suggest that leg spin is harder for a batsman to play than off spin. This certainly seems to be an opinion of the author rather than an encyclopedic style fact. Also, with regards to the description of the top spinner, there is no mention of the ball having over spin and hence dropping earlier and bouncing higher than a standard leg break. It merely mentions that it does not deviate much, which again, seems to be an over simplification to me.
Why does YellowMonkey keep removing Graeme Cremer from the list of notable Zimbabwean leg-spinners? I'd say Cremer is one of the more notable leg-spinners seeing that, because of the player exodus, he was thrown into the international arena at age 18. For several years he was considered a First Class specialist, but has pulled some impressive ODI and Twenty20 International performances in the past 6 months. I see no reason why Cremer is not considered "notable". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Battye ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Amit Mishra's stats aren't much better. Just because Graeme Cremer is not a well known name to much of the cricket world does not mean he is not a notable legspinner. This isn't a list of the best legspinners statistically, it is based on notability. The question here is "Is Graeme Cremer a notable Zimbabwean legspinner?", to which he is. Battye ( talk) 11:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Should the page Leg break be merged into this page? Are they not essentially the same concept - the caption for the gif image is 'A leg break or leg spin delivery'! While one is the type of bowling and the other is the actual delivery, this distinction is very fine, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Are there any other differences?? Mmitchell10 ( talk) 18:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks everybody. Mmitchell10 ( talk) 10:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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The contents of the Leg break page were merged into Leg spin on 11 July 2020. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
It is bizarre that the "history" of leg spin bowling appears to begin only in the 1980s and contains exactly one notable incident since.
Earlier versions of this article contained a list of notable leg spin bowlers. For someone trying to learn a little about the history of the game, this was invaluable. I don't know what caused this to be removed, but, whatever it was, it was regrettable. You can argue if so-and-so belongs on the list, but it is vastly better to have such a list and such arguments than not to have the list at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vonhangman ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
The article states that leg spin is "more dangerous than the turn into the batsman generated by an off spinner". This sounds to me like opinion. I think it should possibly be removed, or at least softened to something like "many batsmen find leg spin more difficult to face than the turn into the batsmen generated by an off spinner". — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaleBlueDot79 ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
If you want to change it, then change it.
Py0alb ( talk) 11:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
But what about left handed leg spin bowlers? Why do they not get as much turn as right handed ones?
I think, that as left arm leg spinners are so rare that they are usually just left handed versions of say, Anil kumble. ie they do not turn it. I am a sure a decent left arm leg spinner would get as much turn as Warne.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Leftarmchinaman ( talk • contribs)
Yes, theoretically a SLC, could be as good as a leg spinner but a quality left arm leg spinner is so rare, that in praticse an accurate big spinning- left arm leg spinner would be an once in a lifetime find. And yes, a SLA should be able to bowl a dooasra, i think Monty Pansear is developing one.
I feel that their should be some information in their on drift.
As a leg spin bowler myself, I would like to suggest that it is not always important to impart large amounts of spin as it appears to be suggested in the article. Just as variation in flight is important, so is variation in both spin direction and spin amount. The article seems to suggest that leg spin is hard to play because of the large amount of spin and I think that this is over simplifying things somewhat. The article also seems to suggest that leg spin is harder for a batsman to play than off spin. This certainly seems to be an opinion of the author rather than an encyclopedic style fact. Also, with regards to the description of the top spinner, there is no mention of the ball having over spin and hence dropping earlier and bouncing higher than a standard leg break. It merely mentions that it does not deviate much, which again, seems to be an over simplification to me.
Why does YellowMonkey keep removing Graeme Cremer from the list of notable Zimbabwean leg-spinners? I'd say Cremer is one of the more notable leg-spinners seeing that, because of the player exodus, he was thrown into the international arena at age 18. For several years he was considered a First Class specialist, but has pulled some impressive ODI and Twenty20 International performances in the past 6 months. I see no reason why Cremer is not considered "notable". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Battye ( talk • contribs) 14:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Amit Mishra's stats aren't much better. Just because Graeme Cremer is not a well known name to much of the cricket world does not mean he is not a notable legspinner. This isn't a list of the best legspinners statistically, it is based on notability. The question here is "Is Graeme Cremer a notable Zimbabwean legspinner?", to which he is. Battye ( talk) 11:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Should the page Leg break be merged into this page? Are they not essentially the same concept - the caption for the gif image is 'A leg break or leg spin delivery'! While one is the type of bowling and the other is the actual delivery, this distinction is very fine, and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Are there any other differences?? Mmitchell10 ( talk) 18:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks everybody. Mmitchell10 ( talk) 10:48, 11 July 2020 (UTC)