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Nice greetings from Austria. This page is (nearly) complete out of date! Noone in Austria or Germany will connect "Lebensraum" with the Nazis any longer. Contrary, "Lebensraum" is currently a very significant and positive word and aspect of everybodies life. Also the description in the "German Loan Words" page is not complete, it is much more than that.
"Lebensraum" means the following: Everything that is around us, the streets, the trees, the entire nature itself, friends, family, foes, strangers at the one hand. Furthermore the politics, communes, TV, Media, communities, counties, and many many more. The "Lebensraum" is every place I visit regularly or sporadic, but although a place where one can meet "me" by chance. Lebensraum is connected with oneself here in Austria. The "Lebensraum" of every person is a little bit different, also if both people are twins and live in the same house.
In one sentence: "Lebensraum" is the place we live in, namely in the furthermost possible interpretation.
Yours sincerely with best greets from the "Green Styria" (where Schwarzenegger comes from)
Chris
Blackware1980 ( talk) 21:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Keep in mind this is the English language wikipedia. When used in English, the word Lebensraum definitely has a political meaning. It can still be useful to mention its contemporary meaning in German-speaking countries. Daniel Bonniot de Ruisselet ( talk) 06:21, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I have taken out the country specific subsections and rephrased the sentence so that it appears more generic and neutrally. They are too short to be by themself and i do not think that it helps by singling out countires in this way especially on an article like this. also the paragraphs are written like it is personal stuff not objective like in a wikipedia voice. maybe if we can get discussion here first before putting them in it will be better but for now i think just listing the country with sources in generic description, non-paragraph way is much better. sorry if the english is not good it is not my first language! Waskerton ( talk) 19:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
I agree. I removed all mention of contemporary "analogies" (how awful) - clearly only added by those wishing to make a rhetorical/political/nationalist point - and left only those that have direct relevance to the Axis powers of WWII (Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and the Empire of Japan). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:5808:D56:0:2492:2A2A:2420:3C78 ( talk) 19:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
The phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land" has been compared to the concept of Lebensraum in any number of sources. For example:
The justification for such misuse of localist concepts was the supposed shortage of living space (Lebensraem), created by the fact that Germane - unlike the colonial empires that dominated a 'world of empty spaces' - was a 'space-less country'. (Such horrific imagery of voids and spaceless-ness is invoked in slogans of certain Zionist circles who propagated the notion of 'land without people' for a 'people without a land')
As such, this merits a see also, if not further expansion in the article. nableezy - 22:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Putin trying to create new Lebenraum for Russian people.
Old sentence "Following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Lebensraum became an ideological principle of Nazism and provided justification for the German territorial expansion into Central and Eastern Europe"
well match to new topic with content like that
"Following Putin's rise to power, Lebensraum became an ideological principle of Nazism and provided justification for the Russian territorial expansion into Central and Eastern Europe" it can be referenced with "Duginisim". 83.23.23.233 ( talk) 11:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
From a grammatical glance, this looks solid. Subsections look watertight. I think this could be a GA soon. Electricmaster ( talk) 19:31, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Nice greetings from Austria. This page is (nearly) complete out of date! Noone in Austria or Germany will connect "Lebensraum" with the Nazis any longer. Contrary, "Lebensraum" is currently a very significant and positive word and aspect of everybodies life. Also the description in the "German Loan Words" page is not complete, it is much more than that.
"Lebensraum" means the following: Everything that is around us, the streets, the trees, the entire nature itself, friends, family, foes, strangers at the one hand. Furthermore the politics, communes, TV, Media, communities, counties, and many many more. The "Lebensraum" is every place I visit regularly or sporadic, but although a place where one can meet "me" by chance. Lebensraum is connected with oneself here in Austria. The "Lebensraum" of every person is a little bit different, also if both people are twins and live in the same house.
In one sentence: "Lebensraum" is the place we live in, namely in the furthermost possible interpretation.
Yours sincerely with best greets from the "Green Styria" (where Schwarzenegger comes from)
Chris
Blackware1980 ( talk) 21:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Keep in mind this is the English language wikipedia. When used in English, the word Lebensraum definitely has a political meaning. It can still be useful to mention its contemporary meaning in German-speaking countries. Daniel Bonniot de Ruisselet ( talk) 06:21, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I have taken out the country specific subsections and rephrased the sentence so that it appears more generic and neutrally. They are too short to be by themself and i do not think that it helps by singling out countires in this way especially on an article like this. also the paragraphs are written like it is personal stuff not objective like in a wikipedia voice. maybe if we can get discussion here first before putting them in it will be better but for now i think just listing the country with sources in generic description, non-paragraph way is much better. sorry if the english is not good it is not my first language! Waskerton ( talk) 19:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
I agree. I removed all mention of contemporary "analogies" (how awful) - clearly only added by those wishing to make a rhetorical/political/nationalist point - and left only those that have direct relevance to the Axis powers of WWII (Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and the Empire of Japan). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:5808:D56:0:2492:2A2A:2420:3C78 ( talk) 19:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
The phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land" has been compared to the concept of Lebensraum in any number of sources. For example:
The justification for such misuse of localist concepts was the supposed shortage of living space (Lebensraem), created by the fact that Germane - unlike the colonial empires that dominated a 'world of empty spaces' - was a 'space-less country'. (Such horrific imagery of voids and spaceless-ness is invoked in slogans of certain Zionist circles who propagated the notion of 'land without people' for a 'people without a land')
As such, this merits a see also, if not further expansion in the article. nableezy - 22:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Putin trying to create new Lebenraum for Russian people.
Old sentence "Following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Lebensraum became an ideological principle of Nazism and provided justification for the German territorial expansion into Central and Eastern Europe"
well match to new topic with content like that
"Following Putin's rise to power, Lebensraum became an ideological principle of Nazism and provided justification for the Russian territorial expansion into Central and Eastern Europe" it can be referenced with "Duginisim". 83.23.23.233 ( talk) 11:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
From a grammatical glance, this looks solid. Subsections look watertight. I think this could be a GA soon. Electricmaster ( talk) 19:31, 5 July 2023 (UTC)