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I believe the original experiment by Martin Seligman is meaningless.
I believe he started using mice or rats, but didn't get the result he wanted so he chose an animal that has been bred to TRUST HUMANS, WORK WITH HUMANS, AND WORK FOR HUMANS. After repeated shocks he claims the dogs wouldn't let him lead them out of the shock area. He claims learned helplessness. WRONG. The dogs weren't stupid, they knew it was Seligman that was torturing them and the bond of trust between dog and man was broken. When he tried to lead them away, the dogs didn't trust him, possibly thinking he was leading them to an even worse place. Martin Seligman is a disgusting example of a "human being" to torture trusting dogs the way he did. 71.9.22.214 ( talk) 21:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)David Price
There is a wealth of unsorted info and articles on this topics out there; please editors or somebody with power start the learned helplessnes page so I can help build it up. I think I hav eproben my point enough with this info.
Please help add this vital and missing concept via getting the references and distinctions in the right format and contrasts with learned helplessness. I can't do this alone as not a a wikipedia expert in references and not a psychologists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.162.221.82 ( talk) 21:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
This man should be persecuted for crimes against nature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.204.127 ( talk) 04:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
the sentence: "An example involves concentration camp prisoners during the Holocaust, when some prisoners, called Mussulmen, refused to care or fend for themselves." sounds unbased to me (the mussulmen were people who starved to near-death.) i'm not changing it, but i think it's wrong. -- 84.109.54.117 21:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
This article should really mention Martin Seligman rather than Anthony Robbins when possible, since Seligman had a key role in the research developing the concept and Robbins did not. (I know, I know, the helping hand is at the end of my arm, but I'm mentioning this here because my new job is taking up most of my time and I may not get to it as soon as I'd like.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article mentions that questioning the "3 p's" can be beneficial, but does not expand on that line of thought at all. As such that sentence seems to stand on its own without really accomplishing anything. Does anyone have any information to add to that portion of the article? -- Kris wood 13:11, 28 Jun 2005 (PST)
The whole first section really needs to go. The first two paragraphs aren't horrible, but need revision and should mention Seligman as early as possible. The whole Learned Helplessness theory stems from Martin Seligman, and references should be to his work (books, etc.), and not Anthony Robbins. Calling Martin Seligman's study "Early work" is an insult to the guy who developed the theory and did the work. It's like saying Einsten did the "Early work" in Relativity.
MarkTAW 03:31, 25 Sept, 2005 (EST)
1. Those above are right; Martin Seligman needs to be credited prominently with a theory he created and researched. Some early Wikipedia editor's familiarity with what Tony Robbins had to say about it does not mean that references to Tony Robbins belong in this article.
2. The idea of total institutions is controversial, and by no means are the institutions mentioned on that page extremely predictable, and even if they were, this is not a prerequisite for Learned Helplessness (this may be another example of Tony Robbins' armchair philosophizing about Learned Helplessness without his being sufficiently familiar with the research); I tried to save this paragraph as best I could.
3. "Personal, pervasive, or permanent" is the description Martin Seligman uses (for those of you who thought this was Tony Robbins).
4. There was a second edition of Learned Optimism in 1998, but Seligman lists the 1990 book in his Curriculum Vitae.
- Do c t or W 23:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I have reinserted the statement that the experiments were animal cruelty over Doc's objection. It seems fairly obvious to me that the infliction of pain that will in no way benefit the animal itself is clearly cruel (if it was done to a human it would clearly be considered cruel, so doing it to an animal is obviously "animal" cruelty.) I realize not all accept that inflicting pain on animals during testing is animal cruelty, but many do and we can have that criticism of the experiment included in the article. If you seek citation, for starters here is a NYT editorial arguing to that effect. Roy Brumback 23:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
As a compromise, I'm leaving the first reference to "animal cruelty" although I disagree with it. However, the line in the next paragraph, "In part two of the Seligman and Maier cruelty experiment..." is too much. If you referred to 'the cruel Seligman and Maier experiment', that would be grammatically correct, but it was not an experiment in cruelty. They were not inflicting pain on these dogs for giggles and grins. We innoculate human babies and I had my dog spayed. The infants and puppies didn't ask for the pain, nor do they understand why it was inflicted upon them, but that does not make it cruel. It is done for a purpose. Seligman's dogs did not benefit, but it was done for a purpose. In 1967 nobody knew what the psychological outcome would be. The editorial you reference (which is mainly concerned with food animals) says at one point "'Learned helplessness' is the psychological term,". THIS is the experiment where that term comes from! KeithJonsn ( talk) 03:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Seligman may not have received pleasure from the actual shocking of the dogs, but he certainly got pleasure from doing an "experiment" that gave him some fame.
I can't deny the potential benefits to experiments on learned helplessness but share the concerns mentioned above when it comes to the lack of humanity of learned helplessness experiments without consent. Animals cant, don't and wouldn't consent to experiments where they are repeatedly tortured until and after they lose hope and feel helpless. I oppose censorship and would never support restricting information on this subject but torturing animals should be banned regardless of potential benefits. Torturing intelligent animals such as dogs, cats and apes should be banned at the very least, if a blanket ban on torturing mammals or animals in general seems excessive or unrealistic at this time. Changing the status of drugs such as hydroxyzine from prescription to over the counter could reduce the demand for animal experiments as this antihistamine is far safer and better tolerated than any of the antihistamines currently sold OTC. [1] NicholaiXD ( talk) 18:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
"...even though he rarely bothered to turn off the noise..."
It is my understanding that the button was not connected to the noise. It is quite important for it means that the improved performance stemmed solely from the BELIEF that the subject was able to turn it off. That is, a delusion may help one to cope.
-Pepper 150.203.224.165 ( talk) 13:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
These sections are poorly written and even seem to draw the wrong conclusions from the research that they cite.
Can I just say "yes" to this entire discussion, especially the comment above? The entire idea of so-called "learned helplessness" is incredibly offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.144.0.134 ( talk) 11:44, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
If the alleged quotations are true, they need to be sourced and explained more clearly. If the quotations can't be sourced, then this subsection should be deleted. - Pointillist ( talk) 22:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Does the Harpers footnote tie into this article as a source anymore? I read the article and couldn't figure out why it is a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.214.53.107 ( talk) 07:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
It occurs to me that at least some of what we see in the malaise in minority communities, e.g. black, Hispanic, and nations, e.g. Haiti, may well be an idendity of helplessness writ large. I have not seen this posited as an explanation for some of the widely recognized phenomenon. It will be interesting to see whether a Black as President of the USA has a nuturing effect on the community, i.e. a positive, "no more (racial) excuses" affect on Black society. Frankatca ( talk) 17:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I am sure he meant culture, which is arguably possible to exist. But the capitalization of "black" seems odd, as does the article usage preceding the noun. Furthermore Barrack Obama is not "a black." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.214.53.107 ( talk) 07:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Removing this: "(how? their lever did not work)" From this sentence: "For the most part, the Group 3 dogs, who had previously "learned" that nothing they did had any effect on the shocks, simply lay down passively and whined. Even though they could have easily escaped the shocks (how? their lever did not work), the dogs didn't try." Obviously the person who added it failed to understand that there were two parts of the test... Sardrith ( talk) 04:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
The Study done by Weiss offers another, and in my eyes, a lot better explanation for the behavior first noted by Seligman&Maier.
It's not "learned helplessness" causing it, it's just having not enough norepinephrin (noradrenalin) in your brain.
But read it for yourselves:
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/37/6/522.full.pdf
Cheers
R.M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.171.166.84 ( talk) 07:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
[Neurobiological/Neurochemical Information on Stressor Controllability 1]
[Neurobiological/Neurochemical Information on Synaptic Potentiation 1]
[Information Gender Learned Helplessness 1]
[Information on Dog Assistance with PTSD 1]
[Information on treatment for overcoming Learned Helplessness 1]
[Treatment for overcoming Learned Helplessness 1]
- Our topic is learned helplessness:
~~Overview - Ashley~~
The term ‘learned helplessness’ refers to a constellation of behavioral changes that follow exposure to stressors that are not controllable by means of behavioral responses, but that fail to occur if the stressor is controllable. This section will address the nature of learned helplessness, as well as the role of the dorsal raphe nucleus, serotonin, and corticotropin-releasing hormone in mediating the behavioral effects of uncontrollable stressors.
~~Brain Activity Summary - Ashley~~
This section will examine the activity in the medial prefrontal cortex, dorsal hippocampus, septum, hypothalamus, and amygdale as well as different hormonal/ neurochemical changes that take place when states of helplessness are educed
~~Gender differences: Heather~~
- Male and female brains and how they differ and how they are
~~PTSD: Mary~~
~~Depression: Mary: the link between learned helplessness and depression and why it matters.~~
~~Treatment: Heather~~
- Exactly how learned helplessness can be treated and the various options. Which one is the best and an explanation why.
Neuropsychprof ( talk) 17:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Smallman12q ( talk) 22:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Nszynal-ru ( talk) 19:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Michellepapandrea ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Group, I'm very concerned that you have not added substantially to the content in the Neurobiological perspectives section. I will email this group some readings. Please divide up the readings, meet to formulate an outline, and please come see me if you have questions. Neuropsychprof ( talk) 07:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
For the section Detail- It discusses that Seligman and Maier's (Failure to escape traumatic shock) study came first, then Overmier and Seligman's (Effects... avoidance responding) came later that year. This cannot be possible, as Seligman and Overmier was published in February, and Seligman and Maier was published in May. As further proof, the second study (S&M's Failure to Escape...) cites the first study in its beginning paragraphs. Rewrite? -- Ispellwords ( talk) 03:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
It was no learned helplessness.
The proband has to be activly not being able to escape the stimulus. Passivity is contradictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.92.181 ( talk) 18:38, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Slavery is responsibility without power, and tyranny is power without responsibility. Strange that slavery/serfdom/conscription and its other forms aren't mentioned since "trained" defeatist behavior of "getting along with the program" similar to obedience in conscripted soldiers or concentration camp prisoners sounds like exactly it. Just like common sense isn't common, it's a distortion of one's common sense through the forced upon them conditions and treatment by others, destruction of their royal self-sovereignty and freedoms, acceptance of their place in a lower strata relative to certain others. Maybe because slaves have always been majority men, it's ignored in this whole topic more, very gynocentric of it.. but not surprised. Gendalv ( talk) 07:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Same with abusers-sadists-psychopaths influence, they slowly but surely deteriorate self-worth of an individual trying to make them kill themselves. Gendalv ( talk) 16:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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The article says: "Research has shown that those with an internal, stable, and global attributional style for negative events can be more at risk for a depressive reaction to failure experiences. " and there is no source here.
On the other hand in this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control# we have this sentence: "People with an external locus of control tend to be more stressed and prone to clinical depression.[10]" and there is source for that.
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article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Seganey,
Gsims99,
Irvingca,
Jacob k 2022,
JessDeckk,
SethBruder.
I believe the original experiment by Martin Seligman is meaningless.
I believe he started using mice or rats, but didn't get the result he wanted so he chose an animal that has been bred to TRUST HUMANS, WORK WITH HUMANS, AND WORK FOR HUMANS. After repeated shocks he claims the dogs wouldn't let him lead them out of the shock area. He claims learned helplessness. WRONG. The dogs weren't stupid, they knew it was Seligman that was torturing them and the bond of trust between dog and man was broken. When he tried to lead them away, the dogs didn't trust him, possibly thinking he was leading them to an even worse place. Martin Seligman is a disgusting example of a "human being" to torture trusting dogs the way he did. 71.9.22.214 ( talk) 21:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)David Price
There is a wealth of unsorted info and articles on this topics out there; please editors or somebody with power start the learned helplessnes page so I can help build it up. I think I hav eproben my point enough with this info.
Please help add this vital and missing concept via getting the references and distinctions in the right format and contrasts with learned helplessness. I can't do this alone as not a a wikipedia expert in references and not a psychologists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.162.221.82 ( talk) 21:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
This man should be persecuted for crimes against nature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.204.127 ( talk) 04:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
the sentence: "An example involves concentration camp prisoners during the Holocaust, when some prisoners, called Mussulmen, refused to care or fend for themselves." sounds unbased to me (the mussulmen were people who starved to near-death.) i'm not changing it, but i think it's wrong. -- 84.109.54.117 21:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
This article should really mention Martin Seligman rather than Anthony Robbins when possible, since Seligman had a key role in the research developing the concept and Robbins did not. (I know, I know, the helping hand is at the end of my arm, but I'm mentioning this here because my new job is taking up most of my time and I may not get to it as soon as I'd like.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article mentions that questioning the "3 p's" can be beneficial, but does not expand on that line of thought at all. As such that sentence seems to stand on its own without really accomplishing anything. Does anyone have any information to add to that portion of the article? -- Kris wood 13:11, 28 Jun 2005 (PST)
The whole first section really needs to go. The first two paragraphs aren't horrible, but need revision and should mention Seligman as early as possible. The whole Learned Helplessness theory stems from Martin Seligman, and references should be to his work (books, etc.), and not Anthony Robbins. Calling Martin Seligman's study "Early work" is an insult to the guy who developed the theory and did the work. It's like saying Einsten did the "Early work" in Relativity.
MarkTAW 03:31, 25 Sept, 2005 (EST)
1. Those above are right; Martin Seligman needs to be credited prominently with a theory he created and researched. Some early Wikipedia editor's familiarity with what Tony Robbins had to say about it does not mean that references to Tony Robbins belong in this article.
2. The idea of total institutions is controversial, and by no means are the institutions mentioned on that page extremely predictable, and even if they were, this is not a prerequisite for Learned Helplessness (this may be another example of Tony Robbins' armchair philosophizing about Learned Helplessness without his being sufficiently familiar with the research); I tried to save this paragraph as best I could.
3. "Personal, pervasive, or permanent" is the description Martin Seligman uses (for those of you who thought this was Tony Robbins).
4. There was a second edition of Learned Optimism in 1998, but Seligman lists the 1990 book in his Curriculum Vitae.
- Do c t or W 23:15, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I have reinserted the statement that the experiments were animal cruelty over Doc's objection. It seems fairly obvious to me that the infliction of pain that will in no way benefit the animal itself is clearly cruel (if it was done to a human it would clearly be considered cruel, so doing it to an animal is obviously "animal" cruelty.) I realize not all accept that inflicting pain on animals during testing is animal cruelty, but many do and we can have that criticism of the experiment included in the article. If you seek citation, for starters here is a NYT editorial arguing to that effect. Roy Brumback 23:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
As a compromise, I'm leaving the first reference to "animal cruelty" although I disagree with it. However, the line in the next paragraph, "In part two of the Seligman and Maier cruelty experiment..." is too much. If you referred to 'the cruel Seligman and Maier experiment', that would be grammatically correct, but it was not an experiment in cruelty. They were not inflicting pain on these dogs for giggles and grins. We innoculate human babies and I had my dog spayed. The infants and puppies didn't ask for the pain, nor do they understand why it was inflicted upon them, but that does not make it cruel. It is done for a purpose. Seligman's dogs did not benefit, but it was done for a purpose. In 1967 nobody knew what the psychological outcome would be. The editorial you reference (which is mainly concerned with food animals) says at one point "'Learned helplessness' is the psychological term,". THIS is the experiment where that term comes from! KeithJonsn ( talk) 03:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Seligman may not have received pleasure from the actual shocking of the dogs, but he certainly got pleasure from doing an "experiment" that gave him some fame.
I can't deny the potential benefits to experiments on learned helplessness but share the concerns mentioned above when it comes to the lack of humanity of learned helplessness experiments without consent. Animals cant, don't and wouldn't consent to experiments where they are repeatedly tortured until and after they lose hope and feel helpless. I oppose censorship and would never support restricting information on this subject but torturing animals should be banned regardless of potential benefits. Torturing intelligent animals such as dogs, cats and apes should be banned at the very least, if a blanket ban on torturing mammals or animals in general seems excessive or unrealistic at this time. Changing the status of drugs such as hydroxyzine from prescription to over the counter could reduce the demand for animal experiments as this antihistamine is far safer and better tolerated than any of the antihistamines currently sold OTC. [1] NicholaiXD ( talk) 18:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
"...even though he rarely bothered to turn off the noise..."
It is my understanding that the button was not connected to the noise. It is quite important for it means that the improved performance stemmed solely from the BELIEF that the subject was able to turn it off. That is, a delusion may help one to cope.
-Pepper 150.203.224.165 ( talk) 13:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
These sections are poorly written and even seem to draw the wrong conclusions from the research that they cite.
Can I just say "yes" to this entire discussion, especially the comment above? The entire idea of so-called "learned helplessness" is incredibly offensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.144.0.134 ( talk) 11:44, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
If the alleged quotations are true, they need to be sourced and explained more clearly. If the quotations can't be sourced, then this subsection should be deleted. - Pointillist ( talk) 22:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Does the Harpers footnote tie into this article as a source anymore? I read the article and couldn't figure out why it is a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.214.53.107 ( talk) 07:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
It occurs to me that at least some of what we see in the malaise in minority communities, e.g. black, Hispanic, and nations, e.g. Haiti, may well be an idendity of helplessness writ large. I have not seen this posited as an explanation for some of the widely recognized phenomenon. It will be interesting to see whether a Black as President of the USA has a nuturing effect on the community, i.e. a positive, "no more (racial) excuses" affect on Black society. Frankatca ( talk) 17:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I am sure he meant culture, which is arguably possible to exist. But the capitalization of "black" seems odd, as does the article usage preceding the noun. Furthermore Barrack Obama is not "a black." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.214.53.107 ( talk) 07:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Removing this: "(how? their lever did not work)" From this sentence: "For the most part, the Group 3 dogs, who had previously "learned" that nothing they did had any effect on the shocks, simply lay down passively and whined. Even though they could have easily escaped the shocks (how? their lever did not work), the dogs didn't try." Obviously the person who added it failed to understand that there were two parts of the test... Sardrith ( talk) 04:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
The Study done by Weiss offers another, and in my eyes, a lot better explanation for the behavior first noted by Seligman&Maier.
It's not "learned helplessness" causing it, it's just having not enough norepinephrin (noradrenalin) in your brain.
But read it for yourselves:
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/37/6/522.full.pdf
Cheers
R.M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.171.166.84 ( talk) 07:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
[Neurobiological/Neurochemical Information on Stressor Controllability 1]
[Neurobiological/Neurochemical Information on Synaptic Potentiation 1]
[Information Gender Learned Helplessness 1]
[Information on Dog Assistance with PTSD 1]
[Information on treatment for overcoming Learned Helplessness 1]
[Treatment for overcoming Learned Helplessness 1]
- Our topic is learned helplessness:
~~Overview - Ashley~~
The term ‘learned helplessness’ refers to a constellation of behavioral changes that follow exposure to stressors that are not controllable by means of behavioral responses, but that fail to occur if the stressor is controllable. This section will address the nature of learned helplessness, as well as the role of the dorsal raphe nucleus, serotonin, and corticotropin-releasing hormone in mediating the behavioral effects of uncontrollable stressors.
~~Brain Activity Summary - Ashley~~
This section will examine the activity in the medial prefrontal cortex, dorsal hippocampus, septum, hypothalamus, and amygdale as well as different hormonal/ neurochemical changes that take place when states of helplessness are educed
~~Gender differences: Heather~~
- Male and female brains and how they differ and how they are
~~PTSD: Mary~~
~~Depression: Mary: the link between learned helplessness and depression and why it matters.~~
~~Treatment: Heather~~
- Exactly how learned helplessness can be treated and the various options. Which one is the best and an explanation why.
Neuropsychprof ( talk) 17:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Smallman12q ( talk) 22:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Nszynal-ru ( talk) 19:35, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Michellepapandrea ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Group, I'm very concerned that you have not added substantially to the content in the Neurobiological perspectives section. I will email this group some readings. Please divide up the readings, meet to formulate an outline, and please come see me if you have questions. Neuropsychprof ( talk) 07:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
For the section Detail- It discusses that Seligman and Maier's (Failure to escape traumatic shock) study came first, then Overmier and Seligman's (Effects... avoidance responding) came later that year. This cannot be possible, as Seligman and Overmier was published in February, and Seligman and Maier was published in May. As further proof, the second study (S&M's Failure to Escape...) cites the first study in its beginning paragraphs. Rewrite? -- Ispellwords ( talk) 03:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
It was no learned helplessness.
The proband has to be activly not being able to escape the stimulus. Passivity is contradictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.92.181 ( talk) 18:38, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Slavery is responsibility without power, and tyranny is power without responsibility. Strange that slavery/serfdom/conscription and its other forms aren't mentioned since "trained" defeatist behavior of "getting along with the program" similar to obedience in conscripted soldiers or concentration camp prisoners sounds like exactly it. Just like common sense isn't common, it's a distortion of one's common sense through the forced upon them conditions and treatment by others, destruction of their royal self-sovereignty and freedoms, acceptance of their place in a lower strata relative to certain others. Maybe because slaves have always been majority men, it's ignored in this whole topic more, very gynocentric of it.. but not surprised. Gendalv ( talk) 07:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Same with abusers-sadists-psychopaths influence, they slowly but surely deteriorate self-worth of an individual trying to make them kill themselves. Gendalv ( talk) 16:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
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The article says: "Research has shown that those with an internal, stable, and global attributional style for negative events can be more at risk for a depressive reaction to failure experiences. " and there is no source here.
On the other hand in this article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control# we have this sentence: "People with an external locus of control tend to be more stressed and prone to clinical depression.[10]" and there is source for that.
Should I change the text in this article and replace "internal" with "external"?
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13:38, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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