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The origin of the term came from a Joe Biden rally speech given in Derry, NH, where Joe Biden reportedly said "Anybody who can go down 3,000 feet in a mine can sure as hell learn to program as well… Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God’s sake!" This, in response to the thousands of coal miners who faced job loss under Joe Biden's plan.
The term then became a pejorative used by the Right, who were inflamed by the idea that coal miners could simply "learn to code", against journalists who then either lost their jobs or were in fear of losing their jobs.
There are numerous contemporary accounts of this speech, including Newsweek and on Mining.com.
That the article obfuscates the term by using the phrase "The origins of the phrase have been attributed to a man teaching
web development to
coal miners" when there is direct, contemporary links to the actual origin strikes me as unnecessarily biased.
William Woody (
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00:00, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Is MMFA origin story for "Learn to Code" the definitive explanation for this? We do have other Reliable Sources which would seem to offer an alternative:
Given this, I dont see how the article can say "The origins of the phrase have been attributed to a man teaching web development to coal miners." and leave it at that. DarrellWinkler ( talk) 22:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
"a conservative online campaign that primarily targeted journalists". Sources actually discussing that campaign are more relevant. Nobody would dispute Biden used those words. But none of the sources that you're citing above are about the topic of the article. Schazjmd (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
It is well-documented that the universal imperative to "learn to code" existed as a straight PR effort before it became a harassment campaign. It had endorsements from politicians of both parties, and was promoted both critically and credulously by the press.
The record is cold before 2012, which happens to be around the time that Codeacademy was founded. It's dishonest and against NPOV to treat MediaMatters' narrative as authoritative and ignore this backstory of a heavily funded but clumsy corporate PR campaign. MM has been duly determined as a "partisan advocacy group" and "marginally reliable source." 2601:642:4600:D3B0:2574:6260:2BE9:2028 ( talk) 00:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
After rewriting the article I have removed the post-1992 American politics "contentious topics" notice. The article was contentious insofar as it excluded facts in favor of a partisan take. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:5BE:E958:8A02:D36F ( talk) 16:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Both the NBC and New Republic articles have no screenshots or archived links to the posts in question. I don't necessarily doubt 4chan would send death threats to journalists, but what I'm seeing is unconvincing at best, and probably a conflict of interest to write about it as harassment. Doombruddah ( talk) 16:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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The origin of the term came from a Joe Biden rally speech given in Derry, NH, where Joe Biden reportedly said "Anybody who can go down 3,000 feet in a mine can sure as hell learn to program as well… Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God’s sake!" This, in response to the thousands of coal miners who faced job loss under Joe Biden's plan.
The term then became a pejorative used by the Right, who were inflamed by the idea that coal miners could simply "learn to code", against journalists who then either lost their jobs or were in fear of losing their jobs.
There are numerous contemporary accounts of this speech, including Newsweek and on Mining.com.
That the article obfuscates the term by using the phrase "The origins of the phrase have been attributed to a man teaching
web development to
coal miners" when there is direct, contemporary links to the actual origin strikes me as unnecessarily biased.
William Woody (
talk)
00:00, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Is MMFA origin story for "Learn to Code" the definitive explanation for this? We do have other Reliable Sources which would seem to offer an alternative:
Given this, I dont see how the article can say "The origins of the phrase have been attributed to a man teaching web development to coal miners." and leave it at that. DarrellWinkler ( talk) 22:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
"a conservative online campaign that primarily targeted journalists". Sources actually discussing that campaign are more relevant. Nobody would dispute Biden used those words. But none of the sources that you're citing above are about the topic of the article. Schazjmd (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
It is well-documented that the universal imperative to "learn to code" existed as a straight PR effort before it became a harassment campaign. It had endorsements from politicians of both parties, and was promoted both critically and credulously by the press.
The record is cold before 2012, which happens to be around the time that Codeacademy was founded. It's dishonest and against NPOV to treat MediaMatters' narrative as authoritative and ignore this backstory of a heavily funded but clumsy corporate PR campaign. MM has been duly determined as a "partisan advocacy group" and "marginally reliable source." 2601:642:4600:D3B0:2574:6260:2BE9:2028 ( talk) 00:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
After rewriting the article I have removed the post-1992 American politics "contentious topics" notice. The article was contentious insofar as it excluded facts in favor of a partisan take. 2601:642:4600:D3B0:5BE:E958:8A02:D36F ( talk) 16:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Both the NBC and New Republic articles have no screenshots or archived links to the posts in question. I don't necessarily doubt 4chan would send death threats to journalists, but what I'm seeing is unconvincing at best, and probably a conflict of interest to write about it as harassment. Doombruddah ( talk) 16:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)