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I have recently posted an external link for a profile of Laura Robson which has been repeatedly deleted. The link for Information Tennis I believe represents a good information resource for Wikipedia users as she is a rising star of the game and there is limited information available about her on the web. The website is independent and neither constitutes to spam or a personal website so i am at a loss to see how it could be deleted given that it can only aid users knowledge. I appreciate you have to moderate the section to ensure integrity of the site and this individual subject matter but I think there is somewhat of a witch-hunt against it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennis Expert5 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Is she really British, or is she an Australian who is representing GB at the moment because she is living here due to her dad's job? Will she represent GB as a senior, or go back to Australia? Wilbisher ( talk) 18:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
British people seem fascinated by this. How is Laura Robson any less British than Martina Navratilova is American? Both are citizens of those countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.121.230 ( talk) 22:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
She actually only just moved to Wimbledon, within the last 6 months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunny87 ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Before changing it again please check Australian nationality law#Dual Citizenship and come up with some evidence she's renounced Australian nationality (if indeed a child is legally capable of renouncing nationality). Bazj ( talk) 16:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Certainly sounds English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.52.188 ( talk) 11:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Picture of Laura would be appropriate instead of tennis court which is currently showing. Anyone got decent picture of Laura? Hopwas2007 ( talk) 09:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
"The youngest competitor in the 2008 Wimbledon Championships[5]". Is that correct? Reference 5 says she was the youngest "left in the competition" at the staghe of the article. -- SGBailey ( talk) 10:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
In relation to her age, is it really necessary to have a section on her early life? At 14/15 surely all of her life so far has been her early life?! 217.43.28.96 ( talk) 19:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC) Just meant that the title may need altering rather than any of the content, not sure I made that entirely clear! 217.43.28.96 ( talk) 19:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to ascertain a player's style simply by analysing the statistics from a small number of matches at a single tournament? Also, phrasing such as 'she often hits high numbers of winners during her matches which in turn causes her to hit quite a few unforced errors as well' reads awkwardly and offers little in the way of insightful analysis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.227.103 ( talk) 10:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
The parameters in the infobox for these results is for achievements as a professional player and not as a junior. While there is mention of those being junior titles added to the infobox for clarification, I feel this is incorrect use of the parameters. Those should only be used for results as a senior player. Leave Sleaves 10:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Seems a bit vague to me. Why would being registered as Australian help her for Tennis purposes? I don't see it explained elsewhere. Thanks -- Omarcheeseboro ( talk) 20:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Many are fully aware she has been through a growth spurt and now stands at 5'10. However, please refrain from changing this until an official source states it, or until the wta tour site updates their profile at the beggining of next year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maza1987 ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
theres no weight written Madmaxxx ( talk) 12:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
The Independentsays that she got a big cheque from the H-Cup. Where is the source for her prize money - would it take this into account? John Smith's ( talk) 14:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Please do not update this every time she progresses in a major grand slam. An uninformed reader who didn't know she was still playing would think that's as far as she's gone. Just wait until after she has stopped progressing. John Smith's ( talk) 10:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Someone added a middle name but to the wrong place ( see here). I've removed it though until we can find a reference. Besides, I think her middle name would belong in the lead. TheRetroGuy ( talk) 13:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to be a critic, and apologies to the editors who have obviously put effort into this article, but I'm surprised it's considered a "good article". IMO the article is swamped by far too much match-by-match detail, rather than concentrating on the key events and milestones in her career so far. Another tennis article I've recently looked at, Li Na (tennis), has the exact same problem (see comment). It really isn't necessary or desirable, IMO, to fill page after page of career narrative with individual match results. If we really want to document these then a separate table (or even article) would be a better solution in my view. 86.181.201.14 ( talk) 02:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article have some mention of the controversy over her 'sluts' comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.238.33 ( talk • contribs)
I love Laura and am sure she has a great future. But to call her the saviour of British tennis in a year when Andy Murray won Olympic gold and the US Open is absurd. Her achievements may well equal his in time. But used in the intro in the way that it is makes Laura seem arrogrant and boastful, and whoever wrote it is doing her no favours. David Kemp 21.09.12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.146.100 ( talk) 17:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I have created a section at the end of "Junior career" for Robson's junior slam results, so there's now no need to put them in the infobox, as it takes up too much space unnecessarily. Thetradge ( talk) 01:30, 3 April 2013 (BST)
Stop trying to remove the junior results from the infobx they are relevant please can you demonstrate how they are not relevant before removing the results from the infobox they have been re-added multiple times. The information is completely sensible, proportionate and notable. She does not" lose" those results and they do not lose their relevance, they accurately and concisely demonstrate her career progression without being selective. 22:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
| singlesrecord =
| singlestitles =
| highestsinglesranking =
| currentsinglesranking =
| AustralianOpenresult =
| AustralianOpenjuniorresult =
| AustralianOpenseniorresult =
| FrenchOpenresult =
| FrenchOpenjuniorresult =
| FrenchOpenseniorresult =
| Wimbledonresult =
| Wimbledonjuniorresult =
| Wimbledonseniorresult =
| USOpenresult =
| USOpenjuniorresult =
| USOpenseniorresult =
The results are relevant so please can you point out why they should not be included, other than the fact Robson is no longer a Junior, which is not a credible reason.
Sport and politics (
talk)
19:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
IMHO it's better to have only professional grand slam results in the infobox, not junior results. Infobox is already so huge, so it's better to not add every little information there. Junior results can be tell on the article's text part. -- Stryn ( talk) 22:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
I would have to say that having both jr and pro results in the infobox is overkill, trivial and it plain looks bad. I don't see where it was ever discussed at the Tennis Project so there is no consensus either way. I would assume those editors who added those jr results to the template figured there were notable jr players whose results were the most important item to date. But one you start adding the pro/senior results those jr wins are simply minor trivia. Sure it can be mentioned in the article under something like "early years", but it really clogs the infobox and makes it harder to pick out the important pro results. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 05:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't like the tone of you inferences there. You are saying you in the right how dare anyone do something opposite what I want. Other users not just me have reverted the ips and new users who are obsessed with the removal. Sport and politics ( talk) 16:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
For me it's not purely a matter of aesthetics, it's also one of confusion. Laura Robson is a young player who is moving up the rankings, and I think readers could be confused by having junior results mixed in with senior ones. If she was still primarily a juniors player, ok the junior results could stay up, but she's a senior player now. People can read about her junior results in the main body of the article. The focus should be on her senior results. John Smith's ( talk) 07:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
It's time to take this to the next level.
Except in rare circumstances, shall we limit player infobox content to EITHER junior grand slam tournament results OR senior (ITF/ATP/WTA) professional grand slam tournament results, but not both?
(outdent) I think some depersonalisation and calming down needs to occur here. A reasonable proposal with deliberate discussion points has been put forwards, by myself. The whole discussion is based in Policy, by those who have made sensible suggestions as opposed to "the way it looks" arguments and "clutter" and "trivia" arguments. It is simply that the view of "remove it all when they turn professional" has been dismissed by many users and that reality is simply not liked, by the user putting that point forward. I see three different proposals floated by three different users (myself being one of them) hardly a demonstration of a "non-compromising attitude". Simply pointing out nonsensical elements in points and pointing out when another user is getting over the top as they are not getting their own way, is reasonable and sensible, to try to restore a level of sanity to this discussion. There needs to be a calm and rational approach blanket inclusion and blanket removal are clearly not going to be the consensus. Three users have argued for a case by case approach and only one is still arguing for a blanket removal as seen in this edit here. I think some "compromise" is needed from the user who made that edit before they start shouting about other users having a "non-compromising attitude". Sport and politics ( talk) 16:42, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
This article contains a lot of unaddressed citation needed tags, thus failing criterion 1b. I will wait a week before closing this reassessment so editors can have the opportunity to fix these issues.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 00:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
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tags are gone, though a few more obvious things need to be handled with the refs, specifically fixing dead links, and a general read through to see if citations are needed places that were not templated. I'll get to those steps tomorrow.
Courcelles
05:50, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags.
Courcelles
04:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Result: Kept -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 01:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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I tried to edit age and looks like it is set to auto change, but she is today 27 but it still says 26? Camblewick ( talk) 20:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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I have recently posted an external link for a profile of Laura Robson which has been repeatedly deleted. The link for Information Tennis I believe represents a good information resource for Wikipedia users as she is a rising star of the game and there is limited information available about her on the web. The website is independent and neither constitutes to spam or a personal website so i am at a loss to see how it could be deleted given that it can only aid users knowledge. I appreciate you have to moderate the section to ensure integrity of the site and this individual subject matter but I think there is somewhat of a witch-hunt against it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennis Expert5 ( talk • contribs) 23:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Is she really British, or is she an Australian who is representing GB at the moment because she is living here due to her dad's job? Will she represent GB as a senior, or go back to Australia? Wilbisher ( talk) 18:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
British people seem fascinated by this. How is Laura Robson any less British than Martina Navratilova is American? Both are citizens of those countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.121.230 ( talk) 22:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
She actually only just moved to Wimbledon, within the last 6 months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunny87 ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Before changing it again please check Australian nationality law#Dual Citizenship and come up with some evidence she's renounced Australian nationality (if indeed a child is legally capable of renouncing nationality). Bazj ( talk) 16:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Certainly sounds English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.52.188 ( talk) 11:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Picture of Laura would be appropriate instead of tennis court which is currently showing. Anyone got decent picture of Laura? Hopwas2007 ( talk) 09:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
"The youngest competitor in the 2008 Wimbledon Championships[5]". Is that correct? Reference 5 says she was the youngest "left in the competition" at the staghe of the article. -- SGBailey ( talk) 10:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
In relation to her age, is it really necessary to have a section on her early life? At 14/15 surely all of her life so far has been her early life?! 217.43.28.96 ( talk) 19:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC) Just meant that the title may need altering rather than any of the content, not sure I made that entirely clear! 217.43.28.96 ( talk) 19:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to ascertain a player's style simply by analysing the statistics from a small number of matches at a single tournament? Also, phrasing such as 'she often hits high numbers of winners during her matches which in turn causes her to hit quite a few unforced errors as well' reads awkwardly and offers little in the way of insightful analysis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.227.103 ( talk) 10:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
The parameters in the infobox for these results is for achievements as a professional player and not as a junior. While there is mention of those being junior titles added to the infobox for clarification, I feel this is incorrect use of the parameters. Those should only be used for results as a senior player. Leave Sleaves 10:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Seems a bit vague to me. Why would being registered as Australian help her for Tennis purposes? I don't see it explained elsewhere. Thanks -- Omarcheeseboro ( talk) 20:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Many are fully aware she has been through a growth spurt and now stands at 5'10. However, please refrain from changing this until an official source states it, or until the wta tour site updates their profile at the beggining of next year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maza1987 ( talk • contribs) 21:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
theres no weight written Madmaxxx ( talk) 12:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
The Independentsays that she got a big cheque from the H-Cup. Where is the source for her prize money - would it take this into account? John Smith's ( talk) 14:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Please do not update this every time she progresses in a major grand slam. An uninformed reader who didn't know she was still playing would think that's as far as she's gone. Just wait until after she has stopped progressing. John Smith's ( talk) 10:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Someone added a middle name but to the wrong place ( see here). I've removed it though until we can find a reference. Besides, I think her middle name would belong in the lead. TheRetroGuy ( talk) 13:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to be a critic, and apologies to the editors who have obviously put effort into this article, but I'm surprised it's considered a "good article". IMO the article is swamped by far too much match-by-match detail, rather than concentrating on the key events and milestones in her career so far. Another tennis article I've recently looked at, Li Na (tennis), has the exact same problem (see comment). It really isn't necessary or desirable, IMO, to fill page after page of career narrative with individual match results. If we really want to document these then a separate table (or even article) would be a better solution in my view. 86.181.201.14 ( talk) 02:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article have some mention of the controversy over her 'sluts' comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.238.33 ( talk • contribs)
I love Laura and am sure she has a great future. But to call her the saviour of British tennis in a year when Andy Murray won Olympic gold and the US Open is absurd. Her achievements may well equal his in time. But used in the intro in the way that it is makes Laura seem arrogrant and boastful, and whoever wrote it is doing her no favours. David Kemp 21.09.12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.146.100 ( talk) 17:57, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
I have created a section at the end of "Junior career" for Robson's junior slam results, so there's now no need to put them in the infobox, as it takes up too much space unnecessarily. Thetradge ( talk) 01:30, 3 April 2013 (BST)
Stop trying to remove the junior results from the infobx they are relevant please can you demonstrate how they are not relevant before removing the results from the infobox they have been re-added multiple times. The information is completely sensible, proportionate and notable. She does not" lose" those results and they do not lose their relevance, they accurately and concisely demonstrate her career progression without being selective. 22:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
| singlesrecord =
| singlestitles =
| highestsinglesranking =
| currentsinglesranking =
| AustralianOpenresult =
| AustralianOpenjuniorresult =
| AustralianOpenseniorresult =
| FrenchOpenresult =
| FrenchOpenjuniorresult =
| FrenchOpenseniorresult =
| Wimbledonresult =
| Wimbledonjuniorresult =
| Wimbledonseniorresult =
| USOpenresult =
| USOpenjuniorresult =
| USOpenseniorresult =
The results are relevant so please can you point out why they should not be included, other than the fact Robson is no longer a Junior, which is not a credible reason.
Sport and politics (
talk)
19:02, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
IMHO it's better to have only professional grand slam results in the infobox, not junior results. Infobox is already so huge, so it's better to not add every little information there. Junior results can be tell on the article's text part. -- Stryn ( talk) 22:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
I would have to say that having both jr and pro results in the infobox is overkill, trivial and it plain looks bad. I don't see where it was ever discussed at the Tennis Project so there is no consensus either way. I would assume those editors who added those jr results to the template figured there were notable jr players whose results were the most important item to date. But one you start adding the pro/senior results those jr wins are simply minor trivia. Sure it can be mentioned in the article under something like "early years", but it really clogs the infobox and makes it harder to pick out the important pro results. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 05:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't like the tone of you inferences there. You are saying you in the right how dare anyone do something opposite what I want. Other users not just me have reverted the ips and new users who are obsessed with the removal. Sport and politics ( talk) 16:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
For me it's not purely a matter of aesthetics, it's also one of confusion. Laura Robson is a young player who is moving up the rankings, and I think readers could be confused by having junior results mixed in with senior ones. If she was still primarily a juniors player, ok the junior results could stay up, but she's a senior player now. People can read about her junior results in the main body of the article. The focus should be on her senior results. John Smith's ( talk) 07:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
It's time to take this to the next level.
Except in rare circumstances, shall we limit player infobox content to EITHER junior grand slam tournament results OR senior (ITF/ATP/WTA) professional grand slam tournament results, but not both?
(outdent) I think some depersonalisation and calming down needs to occur here. A reasonable proposal with deliberate discussion points has been put forwards, by myself. The whole discussion is based in Policy, by those who have made sensible suggestions as opposed to "the way it looks" arguments and "clutter" and "trivia" arguments. It is simply that the view of "remove it all when they turn professional" has been dismissed by many users and that reality is simply not liked, by the user putting that point forward. I see three different proposals floated by three different users (myself being one of them) hardly a demonstration of a "non-compromising attitude". Simply pointing out nonsensical elements in points and pointing out when another user is getting over the top as they are not getting their own way, is reasonable and sensible, to try to restore a level of sanity to this discussion. There needs to be a calm and rational approach blanket inclusion and blanket removal are clearly not going to be the consensus. Three users have argued for a case by case approach and only one is still arguing for a blanket removal as seen in this edit here. I think some "compromise" is needed from the user who made that edit before they start shouting about other users having a "non-compromising attitude". Sport and politics ( talk) 16:42, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
This article contains a lot of unaddressed citation needed tags, thus failing criterion 1b. I will wait a week before closing this reassessment so editors can have the opportunity to fix these issues.-- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 00:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags are gone, though a few more obvious things need to be handled with the refs, specifically fixing dead links, and a general read through to see if citations are needed places that were not templated. I'll get to those steps tomorrow.
Courcelles
05:50, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
citation needed}}
tags.
Courcelles
04:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
Result: Kept -- FutureTrillionaire ( talk) 01:07, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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I tried to edit age and looks like it is set to auto change, but she is today 27 but it still says 26? Camblewick ( talk) 20:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to revert undiscussed page move. ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 14:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Laura Robson (tennis) → Laura Robson – Revert page move by User:Buidhe after their creation of Laura Robson (historian) which is currently a two sentence stub, a Wikipedia:Hatnote would work better. -- AxG / ✉ 22:40, 11 May 2023 (UTC)