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how can we classify every single Taiwanese person as Chinese?? This is such a big violation of NPOV. It is disputed and highly controversial.-- Bonafide.hustla 02:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Most Taiwanese speaks Taiwanese. Mandarin is teach in school but in a very different form than China. Taiwanese will definitely tell you they're Taiwanese since a lot of Taiwanese consider China as "the enemy" rather than identify themselves as Chinese, which they consider a great insult. The point you are making is strongly POV and I doubt if you are a Taiwanese or strictly making false assumptions.-- Bonafide.hustla 00:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Taiwanese do have an overall consensus of identifying as Chinese? This is likely your personal bias toward Taiwan, promoting violence against Taiwan and spreading communist propaganda (such as the images on your talkpage and userpage). YOu have no right to accuse others of POV pushing when you are doing that yourself all the time.-- Bonafide.hustla 07:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Most western countries are actually quite aware of the complicated political situation in Taiwan. A Taiwanese proclaiming himself as Chinese is really like a Japanese/Korean/Singaporean person saying he's Chinese. It's not reasonable. Hong Kong and Taiwan are different. Hong Kong is a de facto Chinese territory, Taiwan currently is not. (although Chinese desperately want to annex Taiwan). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and such delicate topic should be taken seriously. IT is a lot different to talk to your friends (although it is important to point out the difference between different Asian countries). IN addition, according to your reasoning, you are implying that a Canadian should be called an American for convenient purpose. This is obviously incorrrect.-- Bonafide.hustla 05:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I simply don't understand the reverts. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) states plainly that we don't put ethnicity in header, only nationality, so you can not put in "Russian-Taiwanese-American". Which one is her nationality? Taiwanese seems to be it. I suppose a claim could be made for American. Definitely not Russian, though. As for her ethnicity, if she has Russian ancestry, that can certainly go in the article, but it would need a source. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. The burden of sources is on those who want to include the information, so "do some research" applies to whoever wants to include it. Mad Jack 03:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I really don't understand what's the noise... This is a stub article, there is no sections, so there is no header either. Veronin (originally: Voronin) is Russian (Molokan) name. I know because my family is from former Soviet Union. AFAIR originally the text did read she was Russian-Chinese, but as she has lived in both USA (she was born there) and Taiwan it was adjusted to "Russian-Taiwanese-American". So I would vote for "American" for nationality and "Russian-Chinese" for ethnicity. As for her Russian ancestry, I'm pretty confident that it's from her fathers side, but lets find some verifiable proof to back it up. Monni 09:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
She's not Russian-Chinese, she's Russian-Taiwanese. Whether Taiwanese is Chinese is controversial, there is no indication that her parents are born in China.-- Certified.Gangsta 21:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK There is no indication either that her father was born in Russia, just that her father is Russian by ethnicity and that her mother is Chinese by ethnicity. I didn't say that both are absolute facts, but that's what is even remotely verifiable. What comes to absolute facts, in my opinion only way to get them is to ask her personally... It isn't so hard as her contact information is posted in various places around the internet. Only sh*tty thing in that is that some purists could consider that original research and by that definition is not valid for entry to Wikipedia. Most Google hits I could find by using plain English could and should be considered fan research and thus non-reliable. Monni 21:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
You're wrong by saying her mother is Chinese. She's not. She's Taiwanese.-- Certified.Gangsta 06:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Like all the people who go around slapping Chinese language in articles even where it is irrelevant, shouldn't this name be rendered in Cyrillic? Gene Nygaard ( talk) 16:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I tried to add some sources to this article but essentially came up empty-handed. From the large amount of google hits there certainly appears to be enough notability to warrant inclusion, however I think that the startling lack of third party reliable sources are an unfortunate result of a language barrier. Good luck to anyone who wants to dive in and take an additional shot at sourcing. -- Jezebel'sPonyo shhh 17:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
There is only one listed reference for the whole article. Is this acceptable by wiki guidelines? Lgkkitkat ( talk) 08:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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how can we classify every single Taiwanese person as Chinese?? This is such a big violation of NPOV. It is disputed and highly controversial.-- Bonafide.hustla 02:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Most Taiwanese speaks Taiwanese. Mandarin is teach in school but in a very different form than China. Taiwanese will definitely tell you they're Taiwanese since a lot of Taiwanese consider China as "the enemy" rather than identify themselves as Chinese, which they consider a great insult. The point you are making is strongly POV and I doubt if you are a Taiwanese or strictly making false assumptions.-- Bonafide.hustla 00:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Taiwanese do have an overall consensus of identifying as Chinese? This is likely your personal bias toward Taiwan, promoting violence against Taiwan and spreading communist propaganda (such as the images on your talkpage and userpage). YOu have no right to accuse others of POV pushing when you are doing that yourself all the time.-- Bonafide.hustla 07:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Most western countries are actually quite aware of the complicated political situation in Taiwan. A Taiwanese proclaiming himself as Chinese is really like a Japanese/Korean/Singaporean person saying he's Chinese. It's not reasonable. Hong Kong and Taiwan are different. Hong Kong is a de facto Chinese territory, Taiwan currently is not. (although Chinese desperately want to annex Taiwan). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and such delicate topic should be taken seriously. IT is a lot different to talk to your friends (although it is important to point out the difference between different Asian countries). IN addition, according to your reasoning, you are implying that a Canadian should be called an American for convenient purpose. This is obviously incorrrect.-- Bonafide.hustla 05:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I simply don't understand the reverts. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) states plainly that we don't put ethnicity in header, only nationality, so you can not put in "Russian-Taiwanese-American". Which one is her nationality? Taiwanese seems to be it. I suppose a claim could be made for American. Definitely not Russian, though. As for her ethnicity, if she has Russian ancestry, that can certainly go in the article, but it would need a source. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. The burden of sources is on those who want to include the information, so "do some research" applies to whoever wants to include it. Mad Jack 03:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I really don't understand what's the noise... This is a stub article, there is no sections, so there is no header either. Veronin (originally: Voronin) is Russian (Molokan) name. I know because my family is from former Soviet Union. AFAIR originally the text did read she was Russian-Chinese, but as she has lived in both USA (she was born there) and Taiwan it was adjusted to "Russian-Taiwanese-American". So I would vote for "American" for nationality and "Russian-Chinese" for ethnicity. As for her Russian ancestry, I'm pretty confident that it's from her fathers side, but lets find some verifiable proof to back it up. Monni 09:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
She's not Russian-Chinese, she's Russian-Taiwanese. Whether Taiwanese is Chinese is controversial, there is no indication that her parents are born in China.-- Certified.Gangsta 21:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
AFAIK There is no indication either that her father was born in Russia, just that her father is Russian by ethnicity and that her mother is Chinese by ethnicity. I didn't say that both are absolute facts, but that's what is even remotely verifiable. What comes to absolute facts, in my opinion only way to get them is to ask her personally... It isn't so hard as her contact information is posted in various places around the internet. Only sh*tty thing in that is that some purists could consider that original research and by that definition is not valid for entry to Wikipedia. Most Google hits I could find by using plain English could and should be considered fan research and thus non-reliable. Monni 21:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
You're wrong by saying her mother is Chinese. She's not. She's Taiwanese.-- Certified.Gangsta 06:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Like all the people who go around slapping Chinese language in articles even where it is irrelevant, shouldn't this name be rendered in Cyrillic? Gene Nygaard ( talk) 16:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I tried to add some sources to this article but essentially came up empty-handed. From the large amount of google hits there certainly appears to be enough notability to warrant inclusion, however I think that the startling lack of third party reliable sources are an unfortunate result of a language barrier. Good luck to anyone who wants to dive in and take an additional shot at sourcing. -- Jezebel'sPonyo shhh 17:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
There is only one listed reference for the whole article. Is this acceptable by wiki guidelines? Lgkkitkat ( talk) 08:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
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