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They only held the absolute LSR for 13 years and the kilometer record for 27.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Flame_(car) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gabelich
Aileron Spades ( talk) 06:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In 1907 Glenn Curtiss set a speed record on a motorcycle which was faster than the then current car record. Since this article is "land speed record" and not "automobile speed record", it seems like the Curtiss record should be included (albeit with a note in the comments that the record was not recognized by the French, same as the Ford 999 record). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3:1200:454:F853:E71F:52B8:DABD ( talk) 21:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the figures either: the "first record over 100km/h is listed as 65 km/h, which is very strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mswake ( talk • contribs) 22:47, 7 January 2003 (UTC)
What about other types of land speed records? By train for instance? Or the electric land speed record? Or the steam land speed record et.c.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liftarn ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 8 January 2003 (UTC)
If someone can find the bug in HTML to have links at the end, Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd ( talk • contribs) 21:49, 8 February 2003 (UTC)
Ooopps ! This needs some comments. The speeds are in mph they are actually 2 records the record of km and record of the mile. Kilo speed = average speed on a km and mile speed = average speed on a mile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 9 February 2003 (UTC)
Could someone do some more explanation? Why are the yellow articles controversial? This is important, because the average reader (me) has no idea what the controversy even is. Also .... can the yellow be muted somewhat? Maybe like the background on this page? It hurts the eyes ... :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atorpen ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 9 February 2003 (UTC)
Under "Vehicle" are some names of the auto race, not trhe car's name. However, I am not expert enough to change them to what is proper or to make a new heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NightCrawler ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 6 November 2003 (UTC)
World land speed record is a better tittle IMHO and complies with FIA name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Aren't there a bunch of Green Monster and Wingfoot Express records missing from 1964? Don't all these get retroactively recognised after the FIA/FIM agreement over rules? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.92.17 ( talk) 07:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
In fact, there are no less than four records missing, three from 1964 and one from 1965. In 1964 Breedlove broke Arfons' record twice, with a 468, and a 526 in which he famously wrecked the Spirit of America. Arfons then retook the record with a 536. In 1965, Arfons did a 576 on November 7, in between Breedlove's two records. Emvan ( talk) 07:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Leslie Porterfield competed at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah and rode her Turbo Hiabusa bike at speeds of 209 mph, and in doing so became the first woman to be part of the elite 200 mph club. http://sports.rightpundits.com/?p=1370 Pickle i po ( talk) 11:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I just added a section about Kitty O'Neil, whose record is 512 or so miles per hour. Is this record somehow illegitimate? I'm fairly sure this speed was obtained, so is there any reason why it shouldn't be considered the current women's land speed record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.167.214 ( talk) 01:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
69.249.167.214 ( talk) 02:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Kitty O'Neil's vehicle was a 3-wheeler, according to these sources: [1] [2]
If the record is only for 4-wheeled vehicles, as it is per my understanding of the FIA rules, it would seem Jessi Combs is the current record holder. I propose (if any change at all to the wiki article) that the women's record section be split, noting that Combs has the current 4-wheel record (having beaten Lee Breedlove and the Spirit of America vehicle), and Kitty O'Neil has the (much faster) 3-wheel record. I propose that, because as an average person visiting Wikipedia, I don't much care whether three or four wheels were used, I just want to know who was fastest. (Some may care who is fastest while still "qualifying" to the same 4-wheel standard used for the absolute combined land speed record. Those readers would likely want the Combs record.)
Explaining that the "three-wheel record" or "Women's land sped record, when including three-wheeled vehicles" is held by O'Neil, and the four-wheel or FIA-rules women's land speed record is held by Combs, should be sufficient explanation.
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The list has been reverted to show the location as Verneukpan, but that article states explicitly that "In 1929 the pan was used by Sir Malcolm Campbell, who unsuccessfully attempted to break the land speed record in his Napier-Campbell Blue Bird". [ This documentary] states at 44:02 that Campbell broke the record on 5 Febraury 1931 at Daytona Beach. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 04:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Found a more complete table of land speed records. If no one has any objections I'm adding the entries that our version is missing. 2001:56A:7573:7A00:8090:1707:4557:68DD ( talk) 20:34, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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Since the Admins here don't give a damn, & since the Campbell partisans continue to insist a record that was lower than the one previously set, a circumstance that doesn't apply to any other effort on this page, I will make one more appeal for rationality, since this isn't 1963. Then I will tell the Campbell partisans, every one, they can go to hell. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
The borderline between land travel and air travel is thin. How fast can a vehicle go without being airborne? Herein lies the controversy. Yo be sure, even vehicles (such as road-driven cars or even fast land mammals such as dogs and cats) can get airborne), but so much as 1 mm above the ground is airborne. Is bouncing on the ground airborne?
Pbrower2a ( talk) 11:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Reading this article, I see that mph speeds are primary. As these records are according to rules published by the The Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile in Paris using km/h, shouldn't this article be in compliance of the Wiki Manual of Style and have SI primary? Avi8tor ( talk) 17:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Is Guinness the proper ratifying authority for
Jessi Combs's women's land speed record? I understand, perhaps mistakenly, that the
Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) does it for the open (non-gender-based) record, but I don't know whether they bother with a women-only record (perhaps because they fear that this might lead to pressure for possibly politically controversial and/or uneconomic women-only car races (and/or disabled-driver categories, etc) , or whatever?). However if they do ratify a woman's record, but haven't recognized this one, then the article should say so, preferably with the reason given (such as that ratifying crash-related posthumous records may have safety implications, as motor sport has long had to struggle with the risk of driver deaths?). And if they don't perhaps the article should some how clarify that Guinness really is the proper authority here, to avoid confusing readers like me.
This article, about her 2013 record, appears to make it clear that the FIA was the relevant body, at least back in 2013:
(I've also earlier asked this question at the Jessi Combs Talk page here). Tlhslobus ( talk) 13:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Maybe it's something to do with Kitty O'Neil's record on 3 wheels perhaps not being an FIA record? Tlhslobus ( talk) 13:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
AFAIK these records are not athletic, this totally independent on pilot's sex 95.161.217.251 ( talk) 00:12, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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They only held the absolute LSR for 13 years and the kilometer record for 27.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Flame_(car) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gabelich
Aileron Spades ( talk) 06:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
In 1907 Glenn Curtiss set a speed record on a motorcycle which was faster than the then current car record. Since this article is "land speed record" and not "automobile speed record", it seems like the Curtiss record should be included (albeit with a note in the comments that the record was not recognized by the French, same as the Ford 999 record). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3:1200:454:F853:E71F:52B8:DABD ( talk) 21:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the figures either: the "first record over 100km/h is listed as 65 km/h, which is very strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mswake ( talk • contribs) 22:47, 7 January 2003 (UTC)
What about other types of land speed records? By train for instance? Or the electric land speed record? Or the steam land speed record et.c.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liftarn ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 8 January 2003 (UTC)
If someone can find the bug in HTML to have links at the end, Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd ( talk • contribs) 21:49, 8 February 2003 (UTC)
Ooopps ! This needs some comments. The speeds are in mph they are actually 2 records the record of km and record of the mile. Kilo speed = average speed on a km and mile speed = average speed on a mile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 9 February 2003 (UTC)
Could someone do some more explanation? Why are the yellow articles controversial? This is important, because the average reader (me) has no idea what the controversy even is. Also .... can the yellow be muted somewhat? Maybe like the background on this page? It hurts the eyes ... :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atorpen ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 9 February 2003 (UTC)
Under "Vehicle" are some names of the auto race, not trhe car's name. However, I am not expert enough to change them to what is proper or to make a new heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NightCrawler ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 6 November 2003 (UTC)
World land speed record is a better tittle IMHO and complies with FIA name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericd ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Aren't there a bunch of Green Monster and Wingfoot Express records missing from 1964? Don't all these get retroactively recognised after the FIA/FIM agreement over rules? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.92.17 ( talk) 07:31, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
In fact, there are no less than four records missing, three from 1964 and one from 1965. In 1964 Breedlove broke Arfons' record twice, with a 468, and a 526 in which he famously wrecked the Spirit of America. Arfons then retook the record with a 536. In 1965, Arfons did a 576 on November 7, in between Breedlove's two records. Emvan ( talk) 07:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Leslie Porterfield competed at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah and rode her Turbo Hiabusa bike at speeds of 209 mph, and in doing so became the first woman to be part of the elite 200 mph club. http://sports.rightpundits.com/?p=1370 Pickle i po ( talk) 11:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I just added a section about Kitty O'Neil, whose record is 512 or so miles per hour. Is this record somehow illegitimate? I'm fairly sure this speed was obtained, so is there any reason why it shouldn't be considered the current women's land speed record? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.167.214 ( talk) 01:59, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
69.249.167.214 ( talk) 02:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Kitty O'Neil's vehicle was a 3-wheeler, according to these sources: [1] [2]
If the record is only for 4-wheeled vehicles, as it is per my understanding of the FIA rules, it would seem Jessi Combs is the current record holder. I propose (if any change at all to the wiki article) that the women's record section be split, noting that Combs has the current 4-wheel record (having beaten Lee Breedlove and the Spirit of America vehicle), and Kitty O'Neil has the (much faster) 3-wheel record. I propose that, because as an average person visiting Wikipedia, I don't much care whether three or four wheels were used, I just want to know who was fastest. (Some may care who is fastest while still "qualifying" to the same 4-wheel standard used for the absolute combined land speed record. Those readers would likely want the Combs record.)
Explaining that the "three-wheel record" or "Women's land sped record, when including three-wheeled vehicles" is held by O'Neil, and the four-wheel or FIA-rules women's land speed record is held by Combs, should be sufficient explanation.
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The list has been reverted to show the location as Verneukpan, but that article states explicitly that "In 1929 the pan was used by Sir Malcolm Campbell, who unsuccessfully attempted to break the land speed record in his Napier-Campbell Blue Bird". [ This documentary] states at 44:02 that Campbell broke the record on 5 Febraury 1931 at Daytona Beach. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 04:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Found a more complete table of land speed records. If no one has any objections I'm adding the entries that our version is missing. 2001:56A:7573:7A00:8090:1707:4557:68DD ( talk) 20:34, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Since the Admins here don't give a damn, & since the Campbell partisans continue to insist a record that was lower than the one previously set, a circumstance that doesn't apply to any other effort on this page, I will make one more appeal for rationality, since this isn't 1963. Then I will tell the Campbell partisans, every one, they can go to hell. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
The borderline between land travel and air travel is thin. How fast can a vehicle go without being airborne? Herein lies the controversy. Yo be sure, even vehicles (such as road-driven cars or even fast land mammals such as dogs and cats) can get airborne), but so much as 1 mm above the ground is airborne. Is bouncing on the ground airborne?
Pbrower2a ( talk) 11:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Reading this article, I see that mph speeds are primary. As these records are according to rules published by the The Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile in Paris using km/h, shouldn't this article be in compliance of the Wiki Manual of Style and have SI primary? Avi8tor ( talk) 17:13, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Is Guinness the proper ratifying authority for
Jessi Combs's women's land speed record? I understand, perhaps mistakenly, that the
Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) does it for the open (non-gender-based) record, but I don't know whether they bother with a women-only record (perhaps because they fear that this might lead to pressure for possibly politically controversial and/or uneconomic women-only car races (and/or disabled-driver categories, etc) , or whatever?). However if they do ratify a woman's record, but haven't recognized this one, then the article should say so, preferably with the reason given (such as that ratifying crash-related posthumous records may have safety implications, as motor sport has long had to struggle with the risk of driver deaths?). And if they don't perhaps the article should some how clarify that Guinness really is the proper authority here, to avoid confusing readers like me.
This article, about her 2013 record, appears to make it clear that the FIA was the relevant body, at least back in 2013:
(I've also earlier asked this question at the Jessi Combs Talk page here). Tlhslobus ( talk) 13:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Maybe it's something to do with Kitty O'Neil's record on 3 wheels perhaps not being an FIA record? Tlhslobus ( talk) 13:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
AFAIK these records are not athletic, this totally independent on pilot's sex 95.161.217.251 ( talk) 00:12, 9 February 2022 (UTC)