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The article clear claims land art is "largely associated with Great Britain and the United States" and us supposedly backed up by three references. I've checked the referenced articles and I can't seem to find anything in them to validate this claim. At best they point to American roots but not British. In fact it speaks of origins in other European nations but Britain: France. I do not see why this article specifically refers to Britain in addition to the USA other than that they're both English speaking nations? Smells like biased information filtering. In fact the only name the general public can come up with when thinking of land Serbia Christo. The claim that land art is largely associated with France (and maybe the USA) makes much more sense - the UK certainly does not deserve not any mentioning here more than France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.105.213 ( talk) 11:39, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
"Schum is considered the founder of the term Land Art." http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGerry_Schum — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.203.148 ( talk) 01:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
this picture is cool but i think his style is a little out of touch
Yes, and he/she seems to think that Land Art is dead and buried (hehe!) when there are several land artists still at work today! In short, it needs some major updating and re-editing. I'm not sure if I'm the person to do it though. ( Somnia alondra 12:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC))
Why isn't the nazca lines mentioned? Surely those count as land art? Perhaps they should be considered the first attempts at large scale land art? Anonymous
should it be better an article on "contemporary" land art ? 176.186.145.164 ( talk) 16:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
I am trying to find the name of a Czech land artist whose work is similar in some ways to Andy Goldsworthy's. Any ideas? 89.240.7.188 10:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't be crop circles be mentioned as popular form of land art? -- JakobVoss ( talk) 00:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Really? What about the vast array of ancient geoglyphs like the Nasca Lines for example. The article seems a bit narrow minded in scope to be honest. 92.25.119.17 ( talk) 17:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, many of those links do not appear to be high-quality reliable sources. Secondly, many of them actually support the view that "land art" refers to the art movement starting the second half of the 20th century and not your contrary contention that it includes large-scale landscape artworks with very different motivations from previous centuries or millennia. Thirdly, I don't see any of them explicitly saying that the Nazca Lines (or other ancient geoglyphs) are a type of "land art". (Perhaps a "see also" ilnk to geoglyph is in order?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.118 ( talk) 17:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
"Many Earth artists so far have been British and American, and the influence can be seen of a strong landscape tradition (in the case of British art) and of the romance with the West (in American art). In the USA, where Earth Art first emerged, leading figures have included..."
"Earth Art became established as a movement with the 'Earth Works' exhibition at the Dwan Gallery in New York in 1968. Organized by Smithson, it included photographic documentation of projects, such as..."
The above two quotes were written in 2002 by Amy Dempsey in "Art in the Modern Era: A Guide to Styles, Schools & Movements".
"It was 1968, and the U.S. was in the midst of a revolution. Civil-rights marches, the women’s liberation movement and anti-war protests were raging. Environmental activism was on the rise. The first man would soon walk on the moon. And the Virginia Dwan Gallery in New York City mounted a radical new exhibition called 'Earthworks,' featuring artists such as Robert Smithson, Walter de Maria and Michael Heizer. Taking vast, remote landscapes and the ephemeral conditions of nature as their sculptural canvas, these and other artists staged their own protest by rejecting traditional sculptural forms and practices, rigid modernist theory and the commercial confines of the museum-and-gallery system to create frequently massive land art works that heightened awareness of our relationship with the earth and challenged accepted definitions of art."
"Made of natural materials including rock, soil, sand and water—sometimes combined with industrial materials such as concrete, metal and asphalt—many of the early earth works from the late 1960s to early ’70s sprang up in the open deserts of the American West. These bold new experiments played with light and space, perception and the passage of time. They charted an arresting intersection between the temporal and divine, often recalling ancient monumental land works such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Native American mounds and the Nazca Lines in Peru. Yet they also drew from minimal and conceptual art, such as Italian Arte Povera, which exalted crude, humble materials, and the social sculpture of the German avant-garde artist Joseph Beuys. Subject to the shifting whims of nature, some of these works were short-lived, preserved only in photographs, drawings, video and film, ironically subverting the original intention of their creators to remove art from the galleries and museums."
The above two paragraphs show us that the USA was important in the genesis of the movement called Land art. It also shows the place of the "Nazca Lines in Peru" in our discussion. It includes "Nazca Lines in Peru" along with "ancient monumental land works such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Native American mounds". Importantly it says that Land art merely recalls these ancient works. This source is not including these ancient works among works properly belonging to the Land art movement. A properly sourced sentence can say in our article that Land art sometimes recalls ancient monumental land works such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Native American mounds and the Nazca Lines in Peru. If we include this we should be choosing our words carefully so as not to mislead the reader. Art grows out of a milieu. The importance of this can't be overemphasized. The reason an art movement has coherence is the commonality of milieu. We should not be using this article to mislead the reader into thinking all art that is best viewed from the air should be categorized as Land art. That is fundamentally incorrect. Our article art movement says "An art movement is a tendency or style in art with a specific common philosophy or goal, followed by a group of artists during a restricted period of time, (usually a few months, years or decades) or, at least, with the heyday of the movement defined within a number of years. Art movements were especially important in modern art, when each consecutive movement was considered as a new avant-garde." Bus stop ( talk) 12:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
There is consensus that the template should be not included; it's pointy and there have been no valid arguments for inclusion. Since it's one editor who tried to add it, it is up to him to convince the rest of us, which he hasn't so far. So consensus stands at no template. We of course are dealing with one editor: all the IP addresses are from Ohio and the mysteriously vanished OhioOakTree's username implies he's in Ohio. Clearly OhioOakTree is IP hopping to get around potential blocks and 3RR rules. However, his lack understanding of Wikipedia guidelines indicates a competency issue and clearly there is serious WP:POV pushing as well as WP:UNDUE. At least three editors agree with the scope of the article and that adding the template is disruptive. If this editor persists we'll have to take it further with a sockpuppet investigation and a trip to ANI. I appreciate Bus stop's work at working in some of the expanded info. I'd also suggest looking at Krauss's "Sculpture in the Expanded Field" as it addresses this very problem: earth/land art (sometimes) superficially resembles unconnected earlier works and some historians attempted to create a lineage linking earth art to Nazca, large-scale sculpture with Stonehenge, etc. She also brilliantly takes apart those claims as arbitrary and utterly meaningless. There are few if any legitimate sources since the early 70s attempting to make those links. So per Modernist and per Bus stop's work in the article, making a brief statement that because of superficial similarities, at one point a few historians attempted to make some sort of link but this is refuted by Krauss as absurd and completely unfounded. Anything more and we're in WP:UNDUE territory. Clearly OhioOakTree wants this to be an article that it is not and was never supposed to be and he seems to not understand why he can't just shove info into an existing article based on his ill-informed opinion.
We can and should file a report at the next instance of disruptive editing and get some other editors to weigh in as OhioOakTree will probably never understand the problems with his edits. freshacconci (✉) 21:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
User:TIMC&GStudio Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section for what is appropriate in a lead section. Theroadislong ( talk) 11:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
There is a problem with the tone of this article, and it's summed up by the very first line "Land art, variously known as Earth art, environmental art, and Earthworks, is an art movement of the 1960s and 1970s". Throughout the article the reader gets the impression that it's a movement that has ceased, or fallen very much out of favour. Various practitioners are certainly still at work (and some of its most notable figures only came to note after the 1970s). Perhaps "an art movement which rose to prominence in the 1960s and 1970s" would be more accurate? Ghughesarch ( talk) 23:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Found a source for this sentence: In the 1960s and 1970s land art protested "ruthless commercialization" of art in America.
In Land Art, by Tonia Raquejo, 1998, Nerea isbn: 978-84-89569-21-8 page 13. She says "Land Art should not be understood as an isolated trend, but as another proposal that was generated as a reaction from vanguards against pop art, which was interpreted as mercantilist for accepting capitalism and extol consumer society" (original text is in spanish).
Maybe the original sentence should be softened: In the 1960s and 1970s land art was part of a movement against commercialization of art in America.
Kasimxo ( talk) 10:37, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Editor Empress-of-angels has twice now added the artist Gisela Colon to this article, however Colon is not a Land artist and does not belong in the List of contemporary land artists in this article. A few of Colon's sculptures were sited in outdoor spaces and reflect the landscape; the work is associated with the California light-and-space movement, but not Land art. Her work is not recognized in any of the books or scholarly works on Land art. It should be removed. Netherzone ( talk) 23:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your input! :) Kindly advise how to address Colon's inclusion in Land Art Biennial at Desert X 2020: https://glasstire.com/events/2021/03/24/gisela-colon/ https://galeriemagazine.com/desert-x-2020-saudi-arabia/
https://www.gavlakgallery.com/artists/gisela-colon
Biography
American (b.1966, raised 1967 San Juan, Puerto Rico) Lives and works in Los Angeles, California
Gisela Colón has exhibited internationally throughout the United States, Europe, and the Middle East. Most recently, Colón presented a monumental site-specific installation in the Land Art Biennial, Desert X AlUla 2020 in Saudi Arabia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress-of-angels ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your explanation. We shall leave it to scholars and academics! Thank you again for the clarification! Empress-of-angels — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress-of-angels ( talk • contribs) 14:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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The article clear claims land art is "largely associated with Great Britain and the United States" and us supposedly backed up by three references. I've checked the referenced articles and I can't seem to find anything in them to validate this claim. At best they point to American roots but not British. In fact it speaks of origins in other European nations but Britain: France. I do not see why this article specifically refers to Britain in addition to the USA other than that they're both English speaking nations? Smells like biased information filtering. In fact the only name the general public can come up with when thinking of land Serbia Christo. The claim that land art is largely associated with France (and maybe the USA) makes much more sense - the UK certainly does not deserve not any mentioning here more than France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.105.213 ( talk) 11:39, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
"Schum is considered the founder of the term Land Art." http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGerry_Schum — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.203.148 ( talk) 01:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
this picture is cool but i think his style is a little out of touch
Yes, and he/she seems to think that Land Art is dead and buried (hehe!) when there are several land artists still at work today! In short, it needs some major updating and re-editing. I'm not sure if I'm the person to do it though. ( Somnia alondra 12:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC))
Why isn't the nazca lines mentioned? Surely those count as land art? Perhaps they should be considered the first attempts at large scale land art? Anonymous
should it be better an article on "contemporary" land art ? 176.186.145.164 ( talk) 16:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
I am trying to find the name of a Czech land artist whose work is similar in some ways to Andy Goldsworthy's. Any ideas? 89.240.7.188 10:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't be crop circles be mentioned as popular form of land art? -- JakobVoss ( talk) 00:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Really? What about the vast array of ancient geoglyphs like the Nasca Lines for example. The article seems a bit narrow minded in scope to be honest. 92.25.119.17 ( talk) 17:15, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, many of those links do not appear to be high-quality reliable sources. Secondly, many of them actually support the view that "land art" refers to the art movement starting the second half of the 20th century and not your contrary contention that it includes large-scale landscape artworks with very different motivations from previous centuries or millennia. Thirdly, I don't see any of them explicitly saying that the Nazca Lines (or other ancient geoglyphs) are a type of "land art". (Perhaps a "see also" ilnk to geoglyph is in order?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.118 ( talk) 17:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
"Many Earth artists so far have been British and American, and the influence can be seen of a strong landscape tradition (in the case of British art) and of the romance with the West (in American art). In the USA, where Earth Art first emerged, leading figures have included..."
"Earth Art became established as a movement with the 'Earth Works' exhibition at the Dwan Gallery in New York in 1968. Organized by Smithson, it included photographic documentation of projects, such as..."
The above two quotes were written in 2002 by Amy Dempsey in "Art in the Modern Era: A Guide to Styles, Schools & Movements".
"It was 1968, and the U.S. was in the midst of a revolution. Civil-rights marches, the women’s liberation movement and anti-war protests were raging. Environmental activism was on the rise. The first man would soon walk on the moon. And the Virginia Dwan Gallery in New York City mounted a radical new exhibition called 'Earthworks,' featuring artists such as Robert Smithson, Walter de Maria and Michael Heizer. Taking vast, remote landscapes and the ephemeral conditions of nature as their sculptural canvas, these and other artists staged their own protest by rejecting traditional sculptural forms and practices, rigid modernist theory and the commercial confines of the museum-and-gallery system to create frequently massive land art works that heightened awareness of our relationship with the earth and challenged accepted definitions of art."
"Made of natural materials including rock, soil, sand and water—sometimes combined with industrial materials such as concrete, metal and asphalt—many of the early earth works from the late 1960s to early ’70s sprang up in the open deserts of the American West. These bold new experiments played with light and space, perception and the passage of time. They charted an arresting intersection between the temporal and divine, often recalling ancient monumental land works such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Native American mounds and the Nazca Lines in Peru. Yet they also drew from minimal and conceptual art, such as Italian Arte Povera, which exalted crude, humble materials, and the social sculpture of the German avant-garde artist Joseph Beuys. Subject to the shifting whims of nature, some of these works were short-lived, preserved only in photographs, drawings, video and film, ironically subverting the original intention of their creators to remove art from the galleries and museums."
The above two paragraphs show us that the USA was important in the genesis of the movement called Land art. It also shows the place of the "Nazca Lines in Peru" in our discussion. It includes "Nazca Lines in Peru" along with "ancient monumental land works such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Native American mounds". Importantly it says that Land art merely recalls these ancient works. This source is not including these ancient works among works properly belonging to the Land art movement. A properly sourced sentence can say in our article that Land art sometimes recalls ancient monumental land works such as Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Native American mounds and the Nazca Lines in Peru. If we include this we should be choosing our words carefully so as not to mislead the reader. Art grows out of a milieu. The importance of this can't be overemphasized. The reason an art movement has coherence is the commonality of milieu. We should not be using this article to mislead the reader into thinking all art that is best viewed from the air should be categorized as Land art. That is fundamentally incorrect. Our article art movement says "An art movement is a tendency or style in art with a specific common philosophy or goal, followed by a group of artists during a restricted period of time, (usually a few months, years or decades) or, at least, with the heyday of the movement defined within a number of years. Art movements were especially important in modern art, when each consecutive movement was considered as a new avant-garde." Bus stop ( talk) 12:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
There is consensus that the template should be not included; it's pointy and there have been no valid arguments for inclusion. Since it's one editor who tried to add it, it is up to him to convince the rest of us, which he hasn't so far. So consensus stands at no template. We of course are dealing with one editor: all the IP addresses are from Ohio and the mysteriously vanished OhioOakTree's username implies he's in Ohio. Clearly OhioOakTree is IP hopping to get around potential blocks and 3RR rules. However, his lack understanding of Wikipedia guidelines indicates a competency issue and clearly there is serious WP:POV pushing as well as WP:UNDUE. At least three editors agree with the scope of the article and that adding the template is disruptive. If this editor persists we'll have to take it further with a sockpuppet investigation and a trip to ANI. I appreciate Bus stop's work at working in some of the expanded info. I'd also suggest looking at Krauss's "Sculpture in the Expanded Field" as it addresses this very problem: earth/land art (sometimes) superficially resembles unconnected earlier works and some historians attempted to create a lineage linking earth art to Nazca, large-scale sculpture with Stonehenge, etc. She also brilliantly takes apart those claims as arbitrary and utterly meaningless. There are few if any legitimate sources since the early 70s attempting to make those links. So per Modernist and per Bus stop's work in the article, making a brief statement that because of superficial similarities, at one point a few historians attempted to make some sort of link but this is refuted by Krauss as absurd and completely unfounded. Anything more and we're in WP:UNDUE territory. Clearly OhioOakTree wants this to be an article that it is not and was never supposed to be and he seems to not understand why he can't just shove info into an existing article based on his ill-informed opinion.
We can and should file a report at the next instance of disruptive editing and get some other editors to weigh in as OhioOakTree will probably never understand the problems with his edits. freshacconci (✉) 21:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
User:TIMC&GStudio Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section for what is appropriate in a lead section. Theroadislong ( talk) 11:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
There is a problem with the tone of this article, and it's summed up by the very first line "Land art, variously known as Earth art, environmental art, and Earthworks, is an art movement of the 1960s and 1970s". Throughout the article the reader gets the impression that it's a movement that has ceased, or fallen very much out of favour. Various practitioners are certainly still at work (and some of its most notable figures only came to note after the 1970s). Perhaps "an art movement which rose to prominence in the 1960s and 1970s" would be more accurate? Ghughesarch ( talk) 23:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Found a source for this sentence: In the 1960s and 1970s land art protested "ruthless commercialization" of art in America.
In Land Art, by Tonia Raquejo, 1998, Nerea isbn: 978-84-89569-21-8 page 13. She says "Land Art should not be understood as an isolated trend, but as another proposal that was generated as a reaction from vanguards against pop art, which was interpreted as mercantilist for accepting capitalism and extol consumer society" (original text is in spanish).
Maybe the original sentence should be softened: In the 1960s and 1970s land art was part of a movement against commercialization of art in America.
Kasimxo ( talk) 10:37, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Editor Empress-of-angels has twice now added the artist Gisela Colon to this article, however Colon is not a Land artist and does not belong in the List of contemporary land artists in this article. A few of Colon's sculptures were sited in outdoor spaces and reflect the landscape; the work is associated with the California light-and-space movement, but not Land art. Her work is not recognized in any of the books or scholarly works on Land art. It should be removed. Netherzone ( talk) 23:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your input! :) Kindly advise how to address Colon's inclusion in Land Art Biennial at Desert X 2020: https://glasstire.com/events/2021/03/24/gisela-colon/ https://galeriemagazine.com/desert-x-2020-saudi-arabia/
https://www.gavlakgallery.com/artists/gisela-colon
Biography
American (b.1966, raised 1967 San Juan, Puerto Rico) Lives and works in Los Angeles, California
Gisela Colón has exhibited internationally throughout the United States, Europe, and the Middle East. Most recently, Colón presented a monumental site-specific installation in the Land Art Biennial, Desert X AlUla 2020 in Saudi Arabia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress-of-angels ( talk • contribs) 19:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your explanation. We shall leave it to scholars and academics! Thank you again for the clarification! Empress-of-angels — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress-of-angels ( talk • contribs) 14:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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