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Most popular being in reference to the fact that the majority of users of the internet in the English language come from the United States... NOT Great Britain. California by itself has more internet users than all of the UK, and that it is only one of the 50 states. The majority of those in the United States, the world's primary english language internet location, think of the Pennsylvania city first when referencing the name. This is why it is the most popular reference. And being that California has more internet users than the UK, the California city could quite possibly be referenced more than the English city as well. The point is... the English city does not deserve preference to the name. All three cities have the same amount of clout to have the title. Usually, preference is given to the largest city by the name, which would be the California city, not the English city or the Pennsylvania city. Nevertheless, each city in it's own right could demand preference. There are other cities that would like single name preference which are more worthy of it than any of these Lancasters combined, that have to share a disambiguation page like San Jose. The California city is larger than any city in the UK except London, but the Costa Rica city is large also and is the capital city of that nation. Who gets preference? NOBODY! Each city in its own right has an equal standing in the world. This is why I have changed it back, and it will stay back this way, or I will see that it becomes a protected page by the administrators. There is no need for this useless edit war. The name belongs to a disambiguation page. -- Anon 00:04, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
BTW... of course you have only visited or heard of the original. Your're from the UK. If you asked an American the same, you'd most likely get Pennsylvania as the answer. The answer will vary based on perspective. This is why a disambiguation page is important and I am glad that you agree. -- Anon 01:59, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I see nothing on this page that convinces me that any of these places is the subject of an overwhelming number of the search box requests for "Lancaster". All these issues of civic pride (age, population, historical events, etc.) are secondary. From the point of view of being of most value to our readers, I'd say that anyone typing in "Lancaster" should come to the disambiguation page. Isn't that the simplest way to deal with all this? If some people are set on resisting the idea, I suppose we should do a poll and/or RfC, but that seems like overkill. With regard to the content of the dab page, we can eliminate a lot of the bickering and reverting by eliminating these attempts to cram in little comments about the various Lancasters, like what was or wasn't named after what. Just list the dang articles. People who want to know why a particular Lancaster is called "Lancaster" can click on it. The same goes for people who want to know how many people live in a particular Lancaster. In general, a dab page should say only enough about the various subjects to enable the reader to pick the right article. Only if there is no article does it ever make sense to give any more information. JamesMLane 04:28, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's obvious to me that Lancaster should redirect to Burt Lancaster. Just kidding, I think it should go to the disambig page. Rhobite 06:17, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
<rant> To User:Uppland, and anyone else that is clueless about California geography and didn't read the appropriate Wikipedia articles: Lancaster, California is in Antelope Valley in the North-east corner of Los Angeles County and is separated from the rest of the county by a very tall mountain range, the San Gabriel Mountains, so it is most certainly NOT "mostly...a suburb of Los Angeles". </rant> With my rant finished, I will acknowledge that Lancaster, England does have historical signifance, and so I have a weak preference for keeping that city as the main Lancaster article. On the other hand, it is certainly not worth a major edit or revert war over, so the safest choice may be to redirect Lancaster to Lancaster (disambiguation). BlankVerse ∅ 07:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Then what about: Aberdeen, Andover, Bath, Bedford, Belfast, Birmingham, Bradford, Bristol, Blackburn, Burnley, Buckingham, Cardiff, Carlisle, Canterbury, Cambridge, Chester, Chesterfield, Coventry, Derby, Dorchester, Dover, Durham, Exeter, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Gloucester, Halifax, Hereford, Ipswich, Leeds, Leicester, London, Lincoln, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Newport, Northampton, Norwich, Nottingham, Oxford, Portsmouth, Preston, Plymouth, Sheffield, Southampton, Swansea, Taunton, Truro, Worcester, York (etc)? Clearly the precedence is for British cities to take precedence over foreign ones. Lancaster is a major city and it does deserve to be at Lancaster. Dunc| ☺ 11:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here's how I count the votes cast so far: "Lancaster" should be:
Even if we don't count the unregistered user's vote for the dab page, the community preference seems clear. Do any of the proponents of the "Lancaster, England" view think we need to keep this open any longer? If not, we should wrap it up and make Lancaster the dab page. JamesMLane 04:06, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've now posted this at Wikipedia:Requested moves. JamesMLane 22:13, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I added the move template at the top, and now there should probably be a formal vote on it. Please vote either support or oppose below, with an optional one sentence comment. The related vote is located at Talk:Lancaster. Lachatdelarue (talk) 22:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree with User:Lupin... Lancaster, Lancashire makes more sense than Lancaster, England. Persons in the UK give regard to their counties much like we give regard to our states in the US. Lancaster, Lancashire is the more appropriate for this situation. Those who type in Lancaster, England can have a redirect to the correct page. I also agree with User:JamesMLane and User:Kelly Martin that Halifax should go to the Canadian city. It, like Perth or Boston, quite significantly outweighs it's namesake in size, economy, familiarity, and international importance. Also, Dover and Birmingham should go to a disambiguation page. Here they are capital cities of their respective American states, yet Dover is also a major port in the UK and Birmingham is the UK's #2 city. This presents a situation much like User:Anon earlier stated regarding the 2 cities of San Jose, and the same uniform should follow. -- 71.108.65.62 04:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
It strikes me that it is fairly obvious that it ought to be standard Wikipedia practice that, if it is not obvious which is the primary meaning of a name, it should lead to the dab page. We will get all sorts of conflicts if not. PatGallacher 15:26, 2005 May 19 (UTC)
I am looking for consistency, and believe the logic of the 2005 decision has been superceded. Can we work to a solution that brings Lancaster back in line with York, Derby etc. This flawed decision has moved over onto commons where the cats reflected the en: decision, and classifying is now unmanageable. The artificial Lancaster, Lancashire mouthful would not be thought of by an uploader, as outside wiki, the term does not exist. It it hampered by the district council calling itself City of Lancaster- leaving the counterintuitive situation where a local thinks of the city as the area roughly enclosed by the ring road, Lancaster as the area including the city and the new suburbs, and Morecambe as Morecambe and the other settlements as the countryside round Lancaster. Wiki calls the City of Lancaster, the entire local government area include remote seaside and fell, and leaves no word for the historic core or suburbs- save the artificial Lancaster, Lancashire. I would love to see a single notable reference for this usage. The only time it seems to occur is in websites generated from webforms where one is forced to enter a town, and a county before the postcode.which technically was wrong for former county towns. I know there is a US convention for referring to a settlement by name/state but this does not apply UK side. So could someone assist in putting the wheels into reverse and correcting this mess- and I will try then to sort out commons. -- ClemRutter ( talk) 14:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Since there are at least four pronunciations for Lancaster, depending on locale (e.g., /ˈlæŋkæstər/ in England, /ˈlæn.kæstər/ in California, /ˈlæŋkɨstər/ in Pennsylvania, and /ˈlæŋkəstər/ in South Carolina and Kentucky), it seems those cities / towns without a pronunciation listed should have one added. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 11:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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Most popular being in reference to the fact that the majority of users of the internet in the English language come from the United States... NOT Great Britain. California by itself has more internet users than all of the UK, and that it is only one of the 50 states. The majority of those in the United States, the world's primary english language internet location, think of the Pennsylvania city first when referencing the name. This is why it is the most popular reference. And being that California has more internet users than the UK, the California city could quite possibly be referenced more than the English city as well. The point is... the English city does not deserve preference to the name. All three cities have the same amount of clout to have the title. Usually, preference is given to the largest city by the name, which would be the California city, not the English city or the Pennsylvania city. Nevertheless, each city in it's own right could demand preference. There are other cities that would like single name preference which are more worthy of it than any of these Lancasters combined, that have to share a disambiguation page like San Jose. The California city is larger than any city in the UK except London, but the Costa Rica city is large also and is the capital city of that nation. Who gets preference? NOBODY! Each city in its own right has an equal standing in the world. This is why I have changed it back, and it will stay back this way, or I will see that it becomes a protected page by the administrators. There is no need for this useless edit war. The name belongs to a disambiguation page. -- Anon 00:04, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
BTW... of course you have only visited or heard of the original. Your're from the UK. If you asked an American the same, you'd most likely get Pennsylvania as the answer. The answer will vary based on perspective. This is why a disambiguation page is important and I am glad that you agree. -- Anon 01:59, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
I see nothing on this page that convinces me that any of these places is the subject of an overwhelming number of the search box requests for "Lancaster". All these issues of civic pride (age, population, historical events, etc.) are secondary. From the point of view of being of most value to our readers, I'd say that anyone typing in "Lancaster" should come to the disambiguation page. Isn't that the simplest way to deal with all this? If some people are set on resisting the idea, I suppose we should do a poll and/or RfC, but that seems like overkill. With regard to the content of the dab page, we can eliminate a lot of the bickering and reverting by eliminating these attempts to cram in little comments about the various Lancasters, like what was or wasn't named after what. Just list the dang articles. People who want to know why a particular Lancaster is called "Lancaster" can click on it. The same goes for people who want to know how many people live in a particular Lancaster. In general, a dab page should say only enough about the various subjects to enable the reader to pick the right article. Only if there is no article does it ever make sense to give any more information. JamesMLane 04:28, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's obvious to me that Lancaster should redirect to Burt Lancaster. Just kidding, I think it should go to the disambig page. Rhobite 06:17, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
<rant> To User:Uppland, and anyone else that is clueless about California geography and didn't read the appropriate Wikipedia articles: Lancaster, California is in Antelope Valley in the North-east corner of Los Angeles County and is separated from the rest of the county by a very tall mountain range, the San Gabriel Mountains, so it is most certainly NOT "mostly...a suburb of Los Angeles". </rant> With my rant finished, I will acknowledge that Lancaster, England does have historical signifance, and so I have a weak preference for keeping that city as the main Lancaster article. On the other hand, it is certainly not worth a major edit or revert war over, so the safest choice may be to redirect Lancaster to Lancaster (disambiguation). BlankVerse ∅ 07:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Then what about: Aberdeen, Andover, Bath, Bedford, Belfast, Birmingham, Bradford, Bristol, Blackburn, Burnley, Buckingham, Cardiff, Carlisle, Canterbury, Cambridge, Chester, Chesterfield, Coventry, Derby, Dorchester, Dover, Durham, Exeter, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Gloucester, Halifax, Hereford, Ipswich, Leeds, Leicester, London, Lincoln, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Newport, Northampton, Norwich, Nottingham, Oxford, Portsmouth, Preston, Plymouth, Sheffield, Southampton, Swansea, Taunton, Truro, Worcester, York (etc)? Clearly the precedence is for British cities to take precedence over foreign ones. Lancaster is a major city and it does deserve to be at Lancaster. Dunc| ☺ 11:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here's how I count the votes cast so far: "Lancaster" should be:
Even if we don't count the unregistered user's vote for the dab page, the community preference seems clear. Do any of the proponents of the "Lancaster, England" view think we need to keep this open any longer? If not, we should wrap it up and make Lancaster the dab page. JamesMLane 04:06, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've now posted this at Wikipedia:Requested moves. JamesMLane 22:13, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I added the move template at the top, and now there should probably be a formal vote on it. Please vote either support or oppose below, with an optional one sentence comment. The related vote is located at Talk:Lancaster. Lachatdelarue (talk) 22:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree with User:Lupin... Lancaster, Lancashire makes more sense than Lancaster, England. Persons in the UK give regard to their counties much like we give regard to our states in the US. Lancaster, Lancashire is the more appropriate for this situation. Those who type in Lancaster, England can have a redirect to the correct page. I also agree with User:JamesMLane and User:Kelly Martin that Halifax should go to the Canadian city. It, like Perth or Boston, quite significantly outweighs it's namesake in size, economy, familiarity, and international importance. Also, Dover and Birmingham should go to a disambiguation page. Here they are capital cities of their respective American states, yet Dover is also a major port in the UK and Birmingham is the UK's #2 city. This presents a situation much like User:Anon earlier stated regarding the 2 cities of San Jose, and the same uniform should follow. -- 71.108.65.62 04:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
It strikes me that it is fairly obvious that it ought to be standard Wikipedia practice that, if it is not obvious which is the primary meaning of a name, it should lead to the dab page. We will get all sorts of conflicts if not. PatGallacher 15:26, 2005 May 19 (UTC)
I am looking for consistency, and believe the logic of the 2005 decision has been superceded. Can we work to a solution that brings Lancaster back in line with York, Derby etc. This flawed decision has moved over onto commons where the cats reflected the en: decision, and classifying is now unmanageable. The artificial Lancaster, Lancashire mouthful would not be thought of by an uploader, as outside wiki, the term does not exist. It it hampered by the district council calling itself City of Lancaster- leaving the counterintuitive situation where a local thinks of the city as the area roughly enclosed by the ring road, Lancaster as the area including the city and the new suburbs, and Morecambe as Morecambe and the other settlements as the countryside round Lancaster. Wiki calls the City of Lancaster, the entire local government area include remote seaside and fell, and leaves no word for the historic core or suburbs- save the artificial Lancaster, Lancashire. I would love to see a single notable reference for this usage. The only time it seems to occur is in websites generated from webforms where one is forced to enter a town, and a county before the postcode.which technically was wrong for former county towns. I know there is a US convention for referring to a settlement by name/state but this does not apply UK side. So could someone assist in putting the wheels into reverse and correcting this mess- and I will try then to sort out commons. -- ClemRutter ( talk) 14:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Since there are at least four pronunciations for Lancaster, depending on locale (e.g., /ˈlæŋkæstər/ in England, /ˈlæn.kæstər/ in California, /ˈlæŋkɨstər/ in Pennsylvania, and /ˈlæŋkəstər/ in South Carolina and Kentucky), it seems those cities / towns without a pronunciation listed should have one added. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 11:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)