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The lead lists Britney Spears as one of Del Rey's influences and cites The Guardian; however, the cited link fails to provide support for this claim. I am currently listening to Del Rey's interview on BBC's 6music and Del Rey does indeed cite Elvis Presley and Antony and the Johnsons as among her musical influences, but makes no mention of Britney Spears. Could someone provide: (1) a source to support the claim that Spears is among her primary musical influences and (2) an indication that Spears's influence is significant enough to merit her inclusion in the lead paragraph of Del Rey's biography? Countercouper ( talk) 10:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
In that BBC interview, she mentions as the first thing about her influences, that she was always very much into Nirvana and got inspired when seeing the video to "Heart shaped box". This is not included under her musical influences, and should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilpimp ( talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
→Is the reference to John Waters a mis attribution to Roger_Waters? Jabberwoch ( talk) 21:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the 'influences' info is starting to get old hat; I mean, the volume of artists quoted as being an influence at one time or another reaches into double figures, and IMO demeans the entry. Time to remove? 157.203.255.2 ( talk) 12:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
by lilydo12 : Lana Del Rey's interviewed by NME on 21 January 2012, the video is on Youtube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRAFNSgk1Ns), Lana cites Nirvana as her first influence,then Frank Sinatra,Elvis (Presley), Bob Dylan, Eminem & the masters of every genre... That interview is a great source to understand her influences,art and background...
I can't believe that she doesn't cite ANY dream pop bands or singers as that's exactly what she sounds like. Her self-described "gangsta Nancy Sinatra" is beyond silly. She should at least mention Mazzy Starr (Hope Sandoval) above anyone else.-- 98.119.14.40 ( talk) 17:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I found some freely licensed outtakes from her Jaguar F-Type shoot. Which one do you think we should include in the article?
-- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 20:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
In the section "Musical style and influences" -
Pontiac Grandamn
should be corrected and hyperlinked as:
Pontiac Grand Am
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I do think a photo from that time is worth more than an audio snippet. This was the reason for adding the snippet: "Adding a fair-use sound clip to help illustrate Del Rey's earlier style, since we do not have images." (Thevampireashlee). A photo is worth a lot more here. teammathi ( talk) 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Although it appears the result of the moot was to keep the audio clip and ditch the photograph, but I recently unearthed a source that verified my claim. According to Shirley Halperin of The Hollywood Reporter, Del Rey's Grant-era music departs from her current sound in that it is happier and jazzier. [1] I have included this into the article, to further cushion against possible OR claims and to defend my original argument. The Hollywood Reporter is published by Prometheus Global Media, who also publish Billboard, so they seem quite reliable on the subject. -- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 02:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
"A music video created by Del Rey for the song was posted on YouTube in August 2011 and became a viral internet hit. Del Rey then signed a joint deal with Interscope and Polydor in collaboration with Stranger Recordsin July 2011." doesn't make sense to me. teammathi ( talk) 18:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I initially believed that Paradise was her third EP, following Kill Kill and her self-titled Interscope debut. However, I recently uncovered (ANOTHER!) hidden release from Miss Lizzy. Apparently, it's called No Kung Fu. If we could procure more reliable sources, we could write an individual article on it, but I'm surprised it has not even been mentioned on the artist's article. I think I saw something about it on List of Lana Del Rey songs or was it List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs before it was deleted? Could the EP perhaps have been a fan creation, or was it an unreleased demo like Sirens? Here are some unreliable sources that I uncovered:
Looks like all the tracks were used on her debut, Lana Del Ray a.k.a. Lizzy Grant. Thoughts?
Ok, I know this may sound trivial, but Del Rey drives a Jaguar XK. Since she is also the face of Jaguar and she most probably got her car through that deal I thought it may be notable and could be included in the personal life section. I can provide a source if it should be included. teammathi ( talk) 15:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Since I have nominated Born to Die Tour (which I created myself) for deletion because it has never officially been named that and the 2013 tour doesn't have a name, I suggest that we add a "Performances" section to this article discussing tours, performances on TV shows etc. teammathi ( talk) 21:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
what are your sources for the personal life biography of her? Especially the parts about being an alcoholic teenager and then having lived in a trailer park . It sounds contradictive to the fact her rich father helped her finance , market her album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.84.169 ( talk) 02:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello editors article. I'm a fan of Lana Del Rey and wonder if they can carry this picture for me, it is down there. George miranda do nascimento ( talk) 14:54, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jaguarcarsmena/8039217931/in/photostream/
Her name is very English sounding. 86.184.143.180 ( talk) 02:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey! Lana is coming to Finland 16.6. Can someone add that to article? Thanks! :) -- 82.181.245.234 ( talk) 11:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Lana confirmed at last night's Brit Awards that she lives in London. Not NYC or LA as stated in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.85.19 ( talk) 12:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Lana is also nominated in world music awards in the categorie "World's Best Entertainer of the Year" so you can add that to your table: Awards and nominations. My source http://www.worldmusicawards.com/#!worlds-best-entertainer-of-the-year/clqm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.35.38.120 ( talk) 22:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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In 'influences' section, 'Alan Ginsberg' should be spelled 'Allen Ginsberg'--redirect works though. 76.24.30.73 ( talk) 03:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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This is my first edit so forgive my inexperience. I want to add to this page that Lana Del Rey is a supporter of Liverpool Football Club. Here is my source: http://nesn.com/2013/03/lana-del-rey-makes-first-anfield-visit-watches-liverpools-dramatic-victory-over-tottenham/ Here is another source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2291380/Lana-Del-Rey-good-luck-charm-watches-Liverpool-FC-beat-Tottenham-Hotspur.html Flawlesst ( talk) 07:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Teo
Looking through the article, it's doing quite well. One glaring issues that pops out at me is the section titled "Performances" below the "Artistry" section. Is this section necessary or notable? Skimming through featured articles about solo female pop singers (i.e. Mariah Carey and Kylie Minogue) no such section exists. Certainly their performances are notable, but why are they not included? I vote for the removal of this section on the Lana Del Rey article. It seems like trivia and clutter, frankly. I would also consider splitting it into a separate article called List of Lana Del Rey performances or something similar. Again, I'm not sure the information is crucial to the encyclopedia. That aside, I think more could be said about Del Rey's music video artistry and public image. Thoughts welcome. -- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 14:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't think "2011–2012: Born to Die, Paradise, and product endorsements" and "2013–present: third studio album and The Great Gatsby" should be split. She is currently on her tour promoting Paradise and her song for The Great Gatsby was originally supposed to be on Paradise. I think we should start a new section when the "Born to Die and Paradise-era" is over and we start getting more information on her third studio album.
"On February 14, 2013 the music video for "Burning Desire" was released.[98] At the 2013 BRIT Awards, she won the award for International Female Solo Artist, making it her second BRIT Award to date.[99] Del Rey's win surprised critics who highly anticipated Taylor Swift to win the award.[99]" - this doesn't even have anything to do with the next album or Gatsby. teammathi ( talk) 08:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
This article is loaded with links that revert back to the article. Thmazing ( talk) 23:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I just found out that List of awards and nominations received by Lana Del Rey exists, now I'm not sure whether her awards should only be listed here or there. teammathi ( talk) 08:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Since we seem to have silly genres constantly added, can anyone point out solid sources that actually support 'alternative rock' and 'alternative hip hop'? -- Michig ( talk) 14:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm questioning how necessary it is to have a section for her voice type at the moment, especially considering that her voice type itself is constantly up for debate and different opinion. Although our sources do say she is a contralto, I feel like those sources including all the sources I can find regarding her voice type are created out of the interpretation and opinion of the writer. And of course, contradict each other. There's no doubt that Lana has sang and recorded a great range of notes... As far as image and opinions go, she is famous for singing low. But she's also famous for her girlish tone, unlike the typical contralto. I'm unsure if we can really define her voice type (contralto, mezzo-soprano, soprano, etc) just yet. Sources in our article do say that she has said she used to sing high, and purposely tried to lower it to be taken more seriously. That gives me the impression that, in my personal opinion, she perhaps is not a natural contralto (again, my opinion, not something to cite). But I don't know if there's anywhere documented where she herself, or some one close to her, has said what her voice type is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.163.17.106 ( talk) 04:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
I rarely edit, so I could be wrong, and I don't feel like making an account, but some of the artistry section sounds bad. It says " the chapbook Leaves of Grass" and "a poem called Howl" when both of these works are very well known. It also refers to David Lynch as a "neo- noir" director, when his genre and style tend to vary.
I'm requesting that an authorized person adds information about her mentioning she may not produce another album, effectively ending her singing career. The following information is crucial and should not be left out despite that she's still a living person. The information below is from this website: http://www.nme.com/news/lana-del-rey/61850
Also, it needs to be noted that the announcement came shortly after the badly received performances on SNL and especially David Letterman. Gretchen Mädelnick ( talk) 18:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, now I can edit myself as I have become an auto-registered user. Nevertheless I'd still like to invite interested people to discuss first. To summarize the situation for your convenience: Lana Del Rey expressed her disappointment about her career. She repeated that sentiment again, whilst announcing she'd not produce a new record, after her live performances on SNL and David Letterman were criticized. RGCorris indicated new records are being produced nevertheless, though the records do not hold original material. Gretchen Mädelnick ( talk) 17:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Who changed the date of birth to being a year older? it was originally set set 1986, now it's changed to 1985, I'm pretty sure she was actually born in 1986 as it was before, I even double checked and in a biography of her states her birth year was 1986. Zak Hammat ( talk) 2:11, 30 June (ASST) I have just seen the talk articles and proof that her actual year was 1985 and 1986 was just a misinformed year, resulting in most interviews and articles that her age being mentioned was misinformation, so is 1985 really the year of birth? if she was then she would have been 20 the first year being active in 2005, which seems a bit old and Google still says the birth year 1986, which I thought was more likely accurate. Zak Hammat ( talk) I've double checked for proof and it is found that IMDb confirms 1986 was her actual birth year, turns out the fault was in the early articles. Zak Hammat ( talk) 3:18, 30 June (ASST) There is another link supplied confirming 1986 is factual, in the early life section there is a URL to an interview with her from October 7, 2011 and she herself says in this interview she was in fact 25 at the time, therefore it is 1986 so she today is 27 (source). 11:48, 30 June (ASST) So if those 2 early articles mentioned are correct, then that must mean Lana lied about her age in the link of October 7. 2011. 3:14, 1 July (ASST) Deneuve15, the one responsible for changing the birth date has been blocked from editing by Kww, and if he ever changes the birth date without consensus again he will be blocked permanently, birth dates should never be changed and are to be left alone, her year of birth was in fact 1986, therefore it should be staying this way. Zak Hammat ( talk) 12:52, 5 July (ASST)
You really have it in for me don't you! just because I want to put up a valid edit. I'm aware of your 'unblocking' terms and as you can see I added my request to edit on the talk page with the source link below. I completely disagree that the year of birth can't be changed which is what I stated to Zak Hammat in the comment above where he states the birth date can never be changed - if it's wrong it should be changed. I really don't see what the problem is - wiki is about FACTS with reliable sources. You clearly have some 'control issues' going on and can you please unblock my user page or I will go to admin boards as you don't seem to know what you are doing. Deneuve15 ( talk) 18:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
But merely 'avoiding' correcting comments that are actually relevant to wiki editing i.e. the date of birth can never be changed; which is nonsense it all comes down to reliable source information which, you actually chose to remove and then block me. You seem to be making this all very personal which isn't what wikipedia is about! this needs to go to admin Deneuve15 ( talk) 11:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I have in fact noticed that she did not start writing until she was 18 but there is no particular year set for this, all there is that her first year active is 2005, yes I have seen those sources there, and I actually stopped changing that birth date but I'm not the reason you got blocked, it was Kww who blocked you for it cos you need consensus, and if you change it again without consensus he will block you permanently, I read his message, however I can see there is misinformation about the age, it is confusion but I see birth dates should not be changed all the time, her year of birth is set to 1986 and can no longer be changed cos the page is now secure, but really nobody's birth date at should be getting changed a lot, usually IMDB is more accurate, you need to stop messing around with this, but really I'm sick of seeing them play with us like this.Zak Hammat (talk) 00:43, July 14 (ASST)
I hate to tell you this, no offence but I'm with Kww on this, I highly doubt he has any problem, it's you, because like I said birth dates should not be messed with, there is now a new source about her upcoming video "Tropico" and it still states her with her mostly confirmed age right now 27, so it in fact should just be left to alone, it's up to the owners of the page.Zak Hammat (talk) 1:16 July 15 (ASST)
The birth date should be correct and the source I provided is very reliable: Elizabeth-Woolridge_Grant applied for copyright at the United States Copyright Office in 2005 twice and once in 2012 where she submitted her correct year of birth because it's a legal document
other sources;
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2008/dailyposts/07-04-08.htm Published July 4, 2008, age 23 - trade publication "Domain Name Journal" Publisher-Ron Jackson
http://www.dnjournal.com/columns/rj_bio.htm Ron Jackson Bio - broadcast journalist
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2011/dailyposts/20111024.htm Ron Jackson family friend to the Grant's
http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/510931 Publication- newspaper adirondack daily enterprise January 28, 2010, age 24
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/lana-del-rey-body-music-video-shoot_n_3528514.html published 07/01/2013 age 28
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2322773/Lana-Del-Rey-admits-struggles-people-dislike-music-strips-shoot.html Published 21:16, 10 May 2013 age 27
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4991466/lana-del-rey-sizzles-in-red-underwear-to-play-stripper-in-video.html By TIM NIXON
Published: 01st July 2013 By Tim Nixon, age 28
http://news.radio.com/2013/08/16/interview-lana-del-rey-on-leaks-immitators-haters-summertime-sadness/ August 16, 2013, "I went back to listening to Joan Baez and Bob Dylan, whose life path really influenced my life path 10 years ago when I was 18".
Deneuve15 ( talk) 10:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Gamaliel,you added this in your edit;
Elizabeth Woolridge Grant (born June 21, 1986) She was born in 1986 not 1985. Please see the talk page and the link here before you change her year of birth. name=plastic/"Lana Del Rey." Gale Biography in Context. Detroit: Gale, 2012. Biography In Context. Web. 15 July 2013."Lana Del Rey." Contemporary Musicians. Vol. 76. Detroit: Gale, 2013. Biography In Context. Web. 15 July 2013
Suggesting to see a link when there is no link? Also Given that the specific part of the article is about Elizabeth Woolridge Grant and not the persona Lana Del Rey shouldn't your links reference Elizabeth Woolridge Grant, they currently suggest the information relates to a persona rather than Elizabeth Woolridge Grant Deneuve15 ( talk) 07:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey is an American singer/songwriter and Vogue cover girl. Born in New York in 1986, her birth name is Elizabeth Woolridge Grant.
Name Lana Del Rey Birthday 21 June 1986 Biography Lana Del Rey, real name Elizabeth Grant, is an American singer/songwriter
Born June 21, 1986 in Lake Placid, NY Aliases Elizabeth Woolridge Grant Lizzy Grant May Jailer
Gamaliel
Δρ.Κ.It has been quoted on many reliable sources that Lana Del Rey is a persona of Elizabeth Woolridge Grant, so accusing me of making up "nonsense about personas" is in fact incorrect. I'm surprised you are editing on a BLP that you seem to know so little about. I have added an extract below taken from Billboard cover story on Lana Del Rey in which her producer David Kahne clearly states she created a persona. This is why the year of birth changed her date of birth is 1985 but in all PR and therefore bio's on Lana Del Rey that were subsequently released her birth date has changed. As David Kahne states in his interview below "I think she wanted to be Lana Del Rey and didn't want to be Lizzy Grant. That was her family name, and she's very dramatic. She wiped [out] this other person. I think she actually thinks that she's that other person"
Obviously trying to find sources to prove Elizabeth Woolridge Grant's year of birth is 1985 has been made difficult as Kahne says "she didn't want traces of that whole person around / She wiped [out] this other person" but it's not impossible. I personally think as there is enough evidence of this and her persona and it hasn't even been included in the - article it should be. It was a huge story at the start of her launching herself as Lana Del Rey. It's also evident that Lana Del Rey herself and her management/team cannot be relied upon to supply facts because Kahne also states in his interview above that Lana Del Rey bought the rights to her fist album which she tried to deny (as she had claimed to being very poor, also part of her persona) but after this interview was released she backtracked in an interview with the BBC and admitted to buying the rights to her album on leaving her first label this was also confirmed in a later interview with the label owner David Nichtern. So there is clearly a problem with attaining facts in the case of Lana Del Rey as she is a persona.
Also my point was that you stated there was a link in your edit it isn't actually a link but a reference to a source I was merely pointing out you should clean up your edit as when you made it you added no link just a reference.
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Gamalieljust to answer your point about the United State copyright agreement "not being evidence that this alleged document means what you say it does" you can cross check anyone's year of birth with that catalogue and they all come up correct with what wikipedia has. The year of birth is normally just included with the first few copyright claims for example search title: Eraserhead / written, produced, and directed by David Lynch - states Lynch, David, 1946- that is his year of birth, in fact of the many I have cross checked only Elizabeth Woolridge Grant's is different to what wiki has Deneuve15 ( talk) 17:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Gamaliel
Δρ.Κ. shouldn't this information be included in the article as information on her BLP, as far as I can see there is no mention of the extent that Elizabeth Woolridge Grant went to to create a new persona.
Deneuve15 (
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Δρ.Κ. Thanks I appreciate what you are saying, the thing is I haven't as you said "concocted a theory about a persona with a separate birth date without a shred of evidence", I have seen the evidence it's very easy to run background checks on people everyone's data is stored and it's very easy to obtain so I have the evidence; in fact if anyone ran a basic public record search on Elizabeth Woolridge Grant NY it turns up the same date of birth on all of them - 21st June 1985 - what I'm obviously having a problem with is providing that evidence in line wikipedia guidelines. So please do me a favour and stop implying that I have no foundation to state my discussion on and have a bit of respect that I wouldn't come and edit on wikipedia without knowing this to be absolutely certain.
I'm happy to open up a separate heading on a 'persona section' and was not 'feigning surprise' it's quite clear the changed date of birth came with the launch of the persona Lana Del Rey, clearly the problem with our 'discussions' is I'm fully aware I am correct as I have the evidence but you believe I'm talking 'nonsense' this would obviously lead to a conflict of interests in a 'discussion' but probably explain my persistence.
I don't believe I'm confused about the issues I believe wikipedia restricts adding access to factual information based on a set of rules and as in most 'institutions with rules' this stifles transparency. I should just be happy with the fact that my 'original research' is backed up by many public records, I just don't seem to be allowed to share that with anyone on this platform.
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Gamaliel ( talk) 21:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Δρ.Κ. You are aware that all the links that have been cited came from one source; Shore Fire Media. Shore Fire Media is Lana Del Rey's PR company who send out their information to all the sources and publications you have cited, that's how PR and media works. So if wiki considers a PR company to be a more reliable source than a record of a legal document with a US government agency, wiki has got a problem. I don't know how the media works in Greece (I doubt it's any different) but in the U.K. the media is corrupt, 70% of the population agree. It would be great if there was a source that separated itself from that but clearly wikipedia can't be relied on to provide factual information, it basically rehashes the garbage that's already out there, which then gets mirrored and spread around the globe and you are contributing to that... 'voluntarily', wow. Deneuve15 ( talk) 12:52, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Δρ.Κ. Merely returning the tactical favour, if you notice at the top of this page there are some guidelines that do apply to you,
Gamaliel and everyone else; be polite, and welcoming to new users, assume good faith and
avoid personal attacks. I'm not into shame but I like the truth and facts and if anyone started a tactic of shame and submission you both need look no further than your own comments above. Isn't there a saying hypocrite, take the gigantic chunk of dirt out of your own eye then you will see clearly to remove the speck of dust in your friends. Suggesting that the 120 editors who watch this page have given you their tactical support is a bad move and only backs up what I was saying.
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17:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Here's the thing, Deneuve15. Your theory that the birthdate is wrong rests on a number of assumptions that we do not share:
This sort of thing may indeed happen all the time in the realms of media and publicity. What does not happen all the time on Wikipedia is this: we do not accuse public figures of being engaged in deliberate campaigns of deception based on our own conjecture or theories. It isn't ethical, it doesn't further truth or accuracy, and it is against Wikipedia policy. The latter is what I think Dr. K was getting at when he mentioned those 120 editors. Not that they have our back in this fight, but that Wikipedia policy reigns here, and you may shame or cajole a few editors here into agreeing with you, but it doesn't matter, because those other ed itors, and thousands more, and the Wikimedia foundation will enforce that policy. If you feel that we have interpreted policy incorrectly, or disagree with the policy itself, then please discuss that matter at a relevant noticeboard like WP:BLPN or WP:RS, but not here.
I admire your passion for truth, but Wikipedia is not the forum for uncovering new truths, new discoveries, new creations or revelations. You should bring your theory to the proper forum, perhaps something like Gawker or Spin, and should they examine your theory, find it accurate, and publish it, we will gladly use that publication as a source for this article. Until then, or until you come up with a reliable source that adheres to Wikipedia policy, I don't think we have anything else to discuss here. Gamaliel ( talk) 19:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Published sources in 2013, as age 28 (please see sources at start of topic) therefore Y.O.B 1985. As far as I'm aware these sources are considered reliable and adhere to Wikipedia policy, more to follow shortly.... Gamaliel I'm still not sure why you dispute a record of a copyright agreement made by Elizabeth Woolridge Grant for her song writing (including a song from her album Born to Die), it is a record of a legal copyright claim, so I will be taking administrator Kww up on his offer once I have collated all sources. Thanks Deneuve15 ( talk) 18:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
She's 28. https://www.dobsearch.com/people-finder/view.php?t=1374605159&searchnum=146878410703 Littlecarmen ( talk) 19:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
She's 28, actually. Here Lirimefaut ( talk) 19:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
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I think Evilentity1 has interpreted your actions correctly and is experiencing the same resistance as I did. There are clearly enough conflicting 'reliable' sources to show that there is an inconsistency in the Y.O.B., clearly showing the year 1986 is uncertain, let alone that public records and legal records confirm 1985 as the correct Y.O.B. Unfortunately Δρ.Κ. removed an edit made by Auric;Year of birth uncertain, which given the amount of 'reliable' sources that are conflicting, seems an inappropriate edit. Luckily there are many editors and administrators on wiki, I think administrator Kww offer of an RFC that will get editors from all over Wikipedia to examine the evidence and come to a conclusion is a good option as Δρ.Κ. and Gamaliel do appear to be strangely resistant to any other view than the one they currently have. If I remember correctly; while specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred (this has been shown) but some secondary sources are conflicting. Large blocks of material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, (again this has been shown) Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, (again this has been shown). This is no longer as Δρ.Κ. and Gamaliel suggested original research (OR) as reliable published sources exist that confirm the primary source. Also Gamaliel I would just like to add that considering you class the BBC etc.. as reliable sources I would have to disagree with that statement, when for example; the BBC footage claimed to be form an IRA propaganda video was in fact from a computer game. When they used fake footage claiming child slavery that was acted out for the BBC to make a story and the Frozen Planet series claiming footage shot in the Arctic that later emerged as polar bear scenes that were filmed in a zoo. I could go on but I could fill many pages with how 'unreliable' your so called 'reliable' media sources are so I'll leave it at that so there is room to discuss the current inconsistency with the Y.O.B. Deneuve15 ( talk) 17:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey in recent interview with radio.com August 16, 2013, "I went back to listening to Joan Baez and Bob Dylan, whose life path really influenced my life path 10 years ago when I was 18".
http://news.radio.com/2013/08/16/interview-lana-del-rey-on-leaks-immitators-haters-summertime-sadness/
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She looks uncharacteristically bad in the first picture. I think it should be replaced, because people won't easily recognize it as her face. Is it even? She looks SO gross in that picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.65.233 ( talk) 05:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I think this photo is rather bad, her face is rather screwed up. There is a lot better photos of her. Also, the photo in the Performances section is rather dated. I think it should be replaced with one from the Paradise Tour Lirimefaut ( talk) 21:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Lana del Rey means "wool of the king" in spanish. I think it's important to add that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.234.231.75 ( talk) 20:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
In the 2013 section it says Summertime Sadness peaked at 9 but it peaked last week at 6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.192.165 ( talk) 16:47, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph of the Life and Career section(1986-2010: Early Life and Career beginnings)Lana Del Ray is quoted and it reads "it bridged the gap between God and science. I was interested in God and howtechnology could bring us closer to finding out where we came from and why.". Howtechnology is a typo and should be corrected to read "it bridged the gap between God and science. I was interested in God and how technology could bring us closer to finding out where we came from and why." 122.57.112.40 ( talk) 04:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi everybody, I come from the Spanish Wikipedia, and there the info about her is updated at the same time than this one. But... didn't she said that Trópico will be released at the end of September? We're on October 11, and I still didn't hear anything about it. And... is she finally going to quit? If someone knows something, please tell. -- Ideator 2.0 ( talk) 18:42, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The first paragraph says "Del Rey started writing at the age of 18 and she signed her first recording contract when she was 22 years old with 5 Points Records in 2007". Her birth year is listed as 1986. She would be 20 and 21 in the year 2007, not 22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.183.79 ( talk) 19:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC) That's because her actual birth year is 1985, however Wikipedia editors are reluctant to list that, even though there are various official sources to support this. 84.30.93.169 ( talk) 16:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Due to the incessant nature of the edits I have had to make to this article, and because of the character limit in the edit description bar, I am explaining my recent edits] to this article here. First, I have removed File:ParadiseTour2013Paris.jpg from the Tropico section and marked it for deletion at the Commons. I believe it is quite clear that the uploader faked ownership of the photo simply to add a recent image of Del Rey to this article. Second, I have moved the File:Lana Del Rey Cannes 2012.jpg to take its place, moving it to the right side of the article, as her gaze faces inward toward the text, which has been unspokenly preferable for articles on Wikipedia. Third, I have omitted File:Lana Del Rey @ Plaza.jpg from the " Influences section" (for the second time) for two reasons: 1). because the image is of Del Rey performing at the Irving Plaza, and another, higher quality image ( File:Lana Del Rey at Irving Plaza.jpg) is already in use at " Musical style and personae" 2). the image is low-quality; Del Rey can barely be seen, the image has been edited to be only black and white. Thus, I have decided to replace it with File:Lana del Rey cropped.jpg, which is a good-quality image that shows her entire face, and her stance faces toward the text of the article, as was my rational for moving the Cannes image as well. This positioning of images helps divert the focus of our readers toward the text, instead of away. Fourth, I have replaced the previous position of the Cannes image with a new image, File:Lana del Rey @ Bowery Ballroom.jpg. Not only does this image show her performing at the Bowery Ballroom (a well-sourced performance that seemed to define a portion of her career). This image has been placed there since the article's creation, it is high-quality, and again, her posture faces the text, increasing readability and enhances the overall visual appeal of the article.
Structurally, I have reverted the article sections back to their previous form, with "Early life" being a sub-header of "Life and career". Not only does this format match the running trend for BLP articles, but other articles nominated as "good" also employ the same standard. Although we are not required to merge the sections, articles such as Lady Gaga use it, and it works very well, especially for such a short section. I have also re-added the word "personae" to the "Musical style" section, as the section contains more information than what would clearly be constituted as "Musical style"; the section contains many reliably-sourced sentences that mention previous names she's given to her act, her public image, and common personae she likes to "play" on stage and in music videos. I am not against the word "personae" being replaced with "public image" or even "image", so long as something is added to specific (and clarify) for optimal reader navigation and simple truthfulness. Removing the {{ clr}} template from the bottom of " Other venues" stems from the fact that it makes the article appear disjointed, and there is no media in the lower sections that would be obstructed by its slight overlapping into them.
Please, before reverting my changes, discuss the edits with me either here or on my talk page. Hopefully, we can reach a consensus that benefit the article and put an end to the edit warring. -- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 10:29, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
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I have nominated the article Paradise Tour for deletion, I would appreciate it if you could participate in the discussion here. Littlecarmen ( talk) 18:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
You can argue that many news sources cite her as being 27 years old, but that is almost certainly because her age that is listed on this Wikipedia article is wrong. There are many older sources that point towards her birth year being 1985 and not 1986. But the strongest source is this: you can punch her details into the New York Voters Register website (she was raised in Essex, Lake Placid, ZIP code 12946). Her record appears if you enter her birth date as June 21 1985 but not 1986. It's an official document and website so this is the strongest source (other than a long form birth certificate). Lana simply chooses to say that she is one year younger than she actually is. Also, her very first EP 'From The End' was registered in 2005 and her birth year is stated to be 1985. Source: United States Copyright Office Mpwilliams ( talk) 14:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Tropico be in the same section as Born to Die and Paradise? Paradise is an afterthought to Born to Die and Tropico wraps all of that up and includes three songs from Paradise. I think Ultraviolence should have its own section. Littlecarmen ( talk) 21:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Why do all the wiki websites of famous people start by showing us how much money they have made and how successful they are so far? Does the Websters English dictionary preface every word by its rate of occurrence in general speech? Certainly not, since such is basically trivia. I know that I'll lose this argument, so I send it into the oblivion of wikipedia "talk", but an encyclopedia should not be so concerned with popularity as is wiki at current status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.45.195 ( talk) 03:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
The verb "spawned" is used twice in close proximity in the lede to this non-biological article, in neither case with best descriptive value, accuracy of meaning, or reader impact.
In the first case, the simple "included" would allow us to forego a formal piscatorial reproductive reference.
In the second, the sentence:
"With the release of her third EP, Paradise, Del Rey spawned her second top ten album in the United States, debuting at number 10 on the Billboard 200 with 67,000 copies sold in its first week."
might read better (and shorter) as:
"Paradise, Del Rey's third EP, sold 67,000 copies in its first week, debuting at number 10 on the Billboard 200 and giving her a second top-ten album in the U.S."
While these simplifications are less creative, they acknowledge that the creative process of songwriting and album production deserve better imaginative associations than the current allusions supply.
LeProf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.179.245.225 ( talk) 19:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Lana Del Rey's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Guardian":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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Change the picture to an updated one!!!! 98.118.56.191 ( talk) 22:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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23:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)It's terrible. She looks weird. Please change it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.121.72.69 ( talk) 02:11, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm new to the Wikipedia editing committee of sorts for this page and I do have proof that she was indeed born in 1985. It's in the US Copyright Office records, and as it's 3 AM where I am right now I am too lazy to link so you can just search Grant, Elizabeth Woolridge yourself....
Furthermore I want to add that her sister Chuck was born on November 19, 1987. I've obtained proof from local records of houses Chuck has rented out in New York; again I am too lazy to link but Chuck herself has stated on Twitter that her birthday is on November 19. That's all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derpmir ( talk • contribs) 10:03, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I think the infobox picture should be changed from Del Rey at the Echo Awards 2013.jpg this picture to this picture. The latter picture displays the person discussed in the article looking straight-on into the camera with a neutral expression and shows the way Del Rey looks better than the picture that is currently being used. Littlecarmen ( talk) 15:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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"Lana Del Ray" should be changed to "Lana Del Rey" Sammmiex ( talk) 13:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
This article states, under the artistry section, that "Del Rey possesses an expansive contralto vocal range". It also includes a sound excerpt from 'Million Dollar Man', stating that "this demonstrates Del Rey's contralto range".
I think a general consensus has been reached that Lana Del Rey is a mezzo soprano, especially following the release of further work. Her album 'Ultraviolence' is generally higher and shows more of her upper register. The site 'Diva Devotee' lists Lana Del Rey as a mezzo soprano: http://www.divadevotee.com/2012/01/lana-del-rey-vocal-profile-range-3.html
The quote that follows in the article, saying that Del Rey intentionally lowered her voice to be taken seriously, suggests that this is not the range she is naturally comfortable in and seems in opposition to the statement that she is a contralto.
However, I am aware that the article does not actually say she is a contralto, rather that she has a contralto range. This does not seem accurate either, because her range (reaching to approximately C6) is atypical of a contralto.
I propose that the article is amended to suggest more clearly that she generally sings in a contralto range but her natural tessitura is higher than a typical contralto.
Lilahcub ( talk) 06:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
http://news.mtv.it/gossip/lana-del-rey-con-il-nuovo-fidanzato-italiano-a-portofino-scopri-chi-e-foto/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iltex74 ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
How would we feel about using this picture for the infobox? It was taken less than a week ago, and personally I just think it is a more flattering picture of her than the one currently being used. WikiRedactor ( talk) 16:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, thanks all for this very informative page about a singer/songwriter with whom I've only recently become familiar but who is rapidly winning me over! One niggling criticism: the poem Howl is very famous as is Allen Ginsberg. It's a little like saying, "a song called Help by the Beatles", no? Perhaps upon the next, probably more substantive edit, this might be rectified, too? Please say 'the poem "Howl" by Allen Ginsberg' Sanderatlarge ( talk) 23:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Musical Style part, does the first sentence (the second half of it) really need 7 references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:1500:C90:2148:ECC1:F792:4060 ( talk) 15:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Lana stated in an interview at the Brit Awards in March that she spends alot of time living at her apartment in London. Can a proper source be found for this and added to the article, as it states she only lives in NYC or LA, but from the lady's own mouth that's incorrect.
There should be mention about music produced by different record labels, I think it is and it will be very important. Interscope is a label related to the perverse crap Atlantic Records, so it is Warner and so it is bloody AOL. The other label is Polydor. Nothing really bad to say about this label but I really suggest that there is a simple mention on a separate paragraph about the record labels. I don't want to talk about politics and economy but for sure as a music addict since the Punk Rock era (70-80s) I can say that the "world" will be cut in two so in that way, Mrs. Del Rey is maybe playing (or not...) with that fact. No more comment. Thank you for your consideration and attention! — Hydrocarbonic 22:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
In the new Rolling Stone article, it's written that she is 29 years old (not 28) and is often reported to be a year younger. Is this finally a reputable source that can be used to back up the correct information? See 3rd paragraph in image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs03DStIAAAOV7z.jpg 84.30.93.169 ( talk) 12:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
The interview that's available online that references the cult leader says she 'considered joining' the cult, not that she was part of it. Also since Lana is a character and not Lizzie herself, can we also consider this part of the 'mythology' of Lana (since beyond naming a 'cult' there's no further back up for it, ie. name of cult, leader, people, etc) and make it less of a concrete fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcastathon ( talk • contribs) 23:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
"Ich gehörte mal zu einer Underground-Szene, die von einem Guru beherrscht wurde. Der umgab sich mit jungen Mädchen und hatte eine Wahnsinnsausstrahlung, der auch ich mich nicht entziehen konnte. Ich war also bei dieser, ich nenne es mal Sekte, weil ich mich nach Liebe unde Geborgenheit sehnte. Aber dann stellte ich irgendwann fest, dass dieser Guru kein guter, sondern ein böser Mensch ist. Er fand, dass man Leute erst brechen muss, um sie wieder aufzubauen. Am Ende stieg ich aus."
"I used to belong to this underground scene that was ruled by a guru. He surrounded himself with young girls and had an amazing presence even I couldn’t resist. So I was in this, let me call it a cult, because I longed for love and security. But someday I realised that this guru wasn’t a good, but a bad, person. He felt like you needed to break people down to build them back up. At the end I got out."
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Can the entire page be proof read. Her name is Lana Del Rey and not Ray. It says Lana Del Ray in the known a space too and throughout the document. Jamiehenriques12 ( talk) 20:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
she is 27 years old not 29. the brith date is wrong. it was correct a few days ago so somebody changed it recently.
Under the "Career" heading, subsection "2011–13: Born to Die, Paradise, and Tropico," Paragraph 3, it says "Ride" became available for purchase on September 25, 2013. Shouldn't that be 2012, since that's when the "Paradise" EP was released? Bnewall1 ( talk) 06:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I read:
Elvis Presley: long dead. Frank Sinatra: long dead. Eminem: alive, but a name from the past. Amy Winehouse: dead (though recently so). (Antony and the Johnsons: I've no idea.) What does "contemporary" mean here? -- Hoary ( talk) 14:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Big Brother and the Holding Company's 'Cheap Thrills' is not a compilation album, by our common definition of that term. Also, Elvis Presley is inaccurately referred to as a contemporary of Del Rey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.80.156.7 ( talk) 03:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Pretty When You Cry (song) was recently expanded from a redirect, but contains little information. Is this song notable enough for its own article? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I can't seem to find it again, but she had set the record straight in an interview about how she hadn't spoken with her father in years and all of a sudden people were saying he financed and helped her album, which was weird for her and untrue. This is notable and should be included as a real life example of Igby Goes Down/privileged people distancing themselves from their family at one point or another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.108.33 ( talk) 01:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
The quote "...stifle future opportunities..." should be closed with a quote mark before the two citations. The quote actually comes from the 2012 Horowitz article in Billboard, so the 2012 Ayers article in MTV should probably be cited second since it supports the point but doesn't source the quote. Inkwzitv ( talk) 20:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Re: recent genre warring concerning the inclusion of "psychedelic rock" in the genre box. To begin with a reminder, Wikipedia guidelines state that genres included in the infobox should "aim for generality" rather than specificity and clutter. As far as I can see, the designation "psychedelic rock" has received no consensus across multiple sources—literally being listed only by one source [5] in reference to one of her albums—and does not warrant being included in the genre box based on that flimsy designation. Even the intent of that one cited source is far from definitive:
The album [Ultraviolence] feels like a sprawling American desert [...] Certainly the rock ballad suits her retro preoccupation; the lead single “West Coast” evokes the opening riff of The Beatles’ “And I Love Her” and the chord progression from The Stooges’ proto-punk “Dirt.” She seems to have found confidence in psych-rock and narcotized swing. [6]
It seems obvious (to me) that the writer of the piece is stating that psych-rock (and narcotized swing) are styles that Del Rey has amorphously engaged with on Ultraviolence. I don't see any evidence for the statement to be understood as using the term in relation to Del Rey as an artist in total, or to be designating any significant portions of her career output as falling under the heading of psychedelic rock (or narcotized swing, for that matter, for if we are to include psychedelic rock in the infobox based on this statement, surely by this logic we would have to include "narcoticized swing" as well?) Another source, in support of this interpretation, notes "the psych rock influences" on the first song of the album, but nowhere refers to the album as "psychedelic rock." [7] Accordingly, I moved psychedelic rock to the "Musical style" section and listed it as a style that Del Rey has engaged with or touched on in her music, and removed it from the infobox, as it seems to me an utterly disingenuous stretch to interpret that particular statement so loosely.
Simply put, unless any additional cross-source consensus can be found to suggest that Lana Del Rey is a psychedelic rock artist, or that significant portions of her work can be explicitly categorized as psychedelic rock, the genre should not be kept. As always, the burden of proof lies on the editor to justify their interpretation of a source with consensus and due support. In this case, we simply have one source—referring to one particular style (among others) pursued on one particular album— being used to justify a comprehensive genre tag in the infobox. urs145 ( talk) 20:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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From doing a Google search on Lana Del Rey and psychedelic rock it appears that there a number of third party references. What maybe is the issue here is that we perhaps have a 'chameleon' type artist who uses different stylistic elements. Or as this Rolling Stone review outlines: "The fact that nobody has been able to verify which camp she belongs to [...] makes her one of the most compelling performers of our time". Dan Auerbach obviously injected some psychedelic elements into her music, as that RS review Caryn Ganz (now with the NYT) points out. Her latest album has been described as 'almost-psychedelic' in this Papermag review while it is mentioned twice in this Quietus review.
In the end, defining the genre remains a subjective issue. And this case IMHO is quite complex as the artist is genre hopping and carving out a distinct style of her own. From the majority of reviews, I guess we are getting largely dream pop with cinematic elements and an alternative slant, all in a 1960s style. I suppose the psychedelic rock fits in with that?
So, the question really is, do we list the various elements that appear to influence her and which are attributed properly in the style section, or do we stick to three main genres? IMHO this would be a good discussion to have, to avoid continuous reverts and genre warring. Karst ( talk) 09:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Resorting to petulant personal criticisms and harsh rhetoric do not help to solidify these rootless propositions.
From this infinitesimal number of respondents (5) in this discussion that you seem to consider a significant sample size, there are two users that have explicitly stated that a multitude of sources support the genres and parallels were drawn between the various genres. These genres were added a year ago with the help of a major contributor after a consensus was reached based upon in-depth research of what experts identify her genres as being. We concluded that overarching, general labels were too restrictive for an artist as multidimensional as Del Rey is and selected the few that popped up most often, baroque pop, dream pop, rock, indie pop, trip hop. Psychedelic rock was added after the release of Ultraviolence as sources began to reflect that she was pursuing this genre (which is an offset of dream pop) increasingly. This was also done to prevent overeager fans from trying to label her as a successful "pop" artist despite the majority of sources saying that she rejects this genre in her actual work. As mentioned earlier, it's important to recognize the distinction between a "popular" artist and the genres that their music embodies. I hope this helps to clear up your concerns. I've also noticed your talk page has quite a few warnings based upon your "disruptive editing" and "violations of Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles,from editing." As I have noticed this as well, further edits of this kind will result in reports and editing bans, so I would rethink your editing patterns. User:ilovetati91 ( talk —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
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You're simply continuing to implement personal attacks while projecting your own motives onto me. I'm following the guidelines of Wikipedia by adhering to sources while you're attempting to exert your opinions onto this page, which is apparently a habitual habit of yours and has been addressed extensively on your talk page.
I'm not going to engage you in this argument to allow you to distract from following rules. To answer your question of why "desert rock" has not been added as a genre. The sources explicitly describe the album, Ultraviolence, as being desert rock, but Del Rey is never once called a desert rock artist. "In-depth" research was lent towards the organization of these genres in the past and in subsequent updates, which are easily accessible. "Experts" are the critics established in Wikipedia guidelines as legitimate sources for music genres. Also, when I referenced dream pop as being relational to psychedelic rock, that derived from the genres' actual wikipedia pages and categorization, which are easily accessed. And yes, it is very important to make the distinction between the genre of pop and a "popular" artist. That is clearly the point of the genre section in the infobox. I notice you deeming the genres "inadequate," but the legitimate sources we have blatantly deny that. Again, this is why you must separate your own preferences and opinions towards the artist from what critics have established. I understand the passion of Del Rey fans and wanting her to be seen as a popular artist, which she is, but when clarifying genres, we must go with the specific ones designated by legitimate sources, which have already been collected and organized. Since these points/rules have been exhausted and explained to you multiple times, I hope reiterating them now solidifies your understanding. User:ilovetati91 ( talk) 17:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Having received validation from additional Wiki admins elsewhere on this matter (accessible through my talk page), there's no reason to continue this back and forth. I'm removing the genres which are 1) only cited by one source 2) clearly only used to describe Del Rey on particular releases or 3) used to describe particular parts of her music, and leaving genres which have 1) multiple sources as support and 2) which are clearly used to describe her career output in general terms. GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 04:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey DID study metaphysics. But since she never graduated, I'm debating whether she is a philosopher. I'm sure she considers herself to be one, based on her personality and interests. Just wanted your opinions on this. ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Totally agree with your opinion. Thanks! ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
This image of her has been up for over three years now, while there are a handful of other better, and more recent images of her (specifically ones of her performing). Why exactly is there a notice to consult on the Talk page before changing the photo? At this point, the photo of Del Rey in 2012 promoting her first album would be better placed in the body of the article for context, while a more recent photo would make more sense in the infobox (especially since her physical appearance has slightly shifted). Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 11:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I think a photo just showing her entire face properly would do fine 😉☺ Moley87 ( talk) 14:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys. Sorry for any wrongful edits I have made - I'm new to Wikipedia. I was wondering if we could please find a photo of Lana from 2015 for her picture? Her look has changed a lot and I know a lot of the Lana Del Rey fandom would prefer a more recent picture. Pleaseeeee consider this! ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys! I realized I had a bunch of pictures taken of Del Rey from the concert in which I went to this year. There is no copyright on them, and they encapsulate her face and aura very well. I'll upload one - if you don't like the pic, feel free to contribute to the talk page. :) ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Reverted back to the Cannes picture as the 2015 image is under copyright dispute at Commons. Using is screenshot from a video in the infobox is not desirable, certainly not when more high quality images are available. Also removed it from the gallery above. Karst ( talk) 10:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Sure. I understand your point. But I really think a newer picture would be a nice touch. I don't know why everyone is fighting me on that point. ZachDelRey ( talk) 21:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys, I have a question. Would we be allowed to use a photo of Del Rey taken by Getty Images, if we gave credit to them? Like what if under the photo, in addition to its description, we put: (Photo by Getty Images). Would that be allowed or no? ZachDelRey ( talk) 15:53, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Lana's voice type should be changed to dugazon, both Diva Devotee and Critic of Music consider her one. 50.101.50.24 ( talk) 20:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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Please add the name "Annie Lloyd of Get Fat BK" as the tattoo artist that did the "trust no one" tattoo on Lana's hand. I am the assistant to the artist. I was present when the tattoo was done. 173.56.76.169 ( talk) 21:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
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I have noticed that there are actually pictures of Del Rey's signature uploaded on the commons. Is there any way we can add one to her page? If you look at Adele's Wikipedia page, her signature is there. ZachDelRey ( talk) 15:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Under the 'career' section and 2014: Ultraviolence sub-section, there is need for a citation on the third line of the paragraph "On February 20, Del Rey posted a picture of herself and Dan Auerbach on Twitter with the caption "Me and Dan Auerbach are excited to present you Ultraviolence".[citation needed] " I have found the post on twitter, it can be seen be this link: https://twitter.com/lanadelrey/status/436561354686595073?lang=en-gb
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Hello! I uploaded a non-copyrighted polaroid from July, 2016, of Lana Del Rey onto the commons, and I was wondering if her Wikipedia picture could be changed to it?
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Thank you so much! R.omeo ( talk) 12:27, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
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04:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Under “2015 Honeymoon” there is little information as to why she created her record Honeymoon. I found an article that would add insight and dialogue from Lana Del Rey as to what place in her life she was at when writing the songs for Honeymoon. The article states that Lana Del Rey said “I guess the first thing that was going on was that I really wanted to have one more record out that was able to speak for me, even if I wasn’t in a place where I felt like speaking for myself” (A Letter from Lana, 2). In the beginning of the second paragraph, after the sentence “In June 2014, she said “I have this idea for this record called Music to Watch Boys To, so I’m just kind of thinking about that and what that would mean”. [130] Del Rey later confirmed in an interview with Billboard that her new record would be entitled Honeymoon. [131],” the quote along with the sentence below should be placed.
“Lana was once asked in an interview what her frame of mind was when she wrote Honeymoon, she answered “I guess the first thing that was going on was that I really wanted to have one more record out that was able to speak for me, even if I wasn’t in a place where I felt like speaking for myself”.
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help page). 28 September 2016 (UTC) Horner, Al. “A Letter From Lana.” NME – New Musical Express, Dec. 11. 2015., pp.20-22,24
The lede of the article has her born and raised in NYC, but then the text of the article says that she was raised in Lake Placid, and her origins are listed as Lake Placid as well. Can we straighten this out? 2A02:C7D:CA32:CC00:9F5:E4C4:71C9:888D ( talk) 22:01, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, Lana has sinced faded much. She's no longer top streamed artist on Spotify. Please let's remove that post.
"As of 2015, Del Rey is the most streamed female artist on Spotify in the United States, and the fourth worldwide:
I propose changing the photo to File:Lana Del Rey "Burning Desire" Video 2013.jpg or File:Lana Del Rey at the Echo Awards 2013.jpg. The photo in use at the moment is relatively low quality, outdated, and (in my opinion) looks very amateur. Thanks.
This article has been padded out with trivial information, such as specific dates for release of promotional announcements by closely connected sources, inclusion of information identified as rumours in the sources, etc. Can't some of this be removed, so that the article focuses more on the actual albums, concerts, and other real events, which are mostly sourced to professional reporters and critics?— Anne Delong ( talk) 02:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
it has a nice amount of referencing, its well backed, better than some scientific journal articles, but yes the article needs work it could be much better still, but, its not clear anything is objectively "trivial" when it comes to a Lana Del Rey article... Ooma Huntress-Protectress ( talk) 03:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Genre art pop [1] 68.194.161.188 ( talk) 20:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hello all,
I was wondering if there was any way some research could be done into finding a more recent picture of Lana for her Wikipedia page (that doesn't violate copyrights of course), preferably from 2016 or 2017? 5 years is a pretty long time to keep the same picture for her... If you find any new ones please upload them to the talk page so we can choose one!
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I just wanted to know why the page shows an old picture of lana, I feel like it should be a more current one, perhaps this one which was from this years Lollapalooza in Paris. Just a suggestion, it's a current photo and one where she looks lovely.
Honhonparadise ( talk) 07:15, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I would like to propose that Lana's infobox photo be changed to this: [3], which is a valid file that is more current. The current photo has been the same for a long time and it's from 2012. I don't see why there would be any objections to changing it. AgWoolridge ( talk) 23:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
This is a request to add onto the article. There was a lock and was unable to edit anything. This can be added if it's relevant.
In 2012 Lana Del Rey was the center of controversy when in her music video "Ride" she puts on a Native American headdress while dancing around and shooting guns. She defended wearing this stating that her video was "an ode to the spirit of dance and freedom.". [1]
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shes a producer too so itd like make sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:21F2:FE00:7170:610F:4DF0:C118 ( talk) 19:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Personally, I believe the "encyclopedic tone" tag is more than sufficient to assist in helping the article. I read over the article, and yes, some of the poor sentence structures used in this article make it seem less "encyclopedic", but the article appears to have sourced and objective facts about the singer. Therefore, I removed the "close connection" tag. -- Aleccat 10:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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We should add sadcore [1] as one of her genres. Nicholas S8 ( talk) 20:41, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
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Rather than edit-warring over the names of associated acts in the infobox, why don't we discuss each of the proposed listings with regard to the instructions at Template:Infobox musical artist#associated_acts? Pinging ZachDelRey. Binksternet ( talk) 00:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Sparkle Jumprope Queen. Lana Ray Del Mar LanadelGay ( talk) 06:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
The album was shelved, but enough information is available on it to where it has significance in this section, especially considering it has its own article. Could the addition of Sirens (2006) be added with an additional footnote stating its shelved release. Let me know any thoughts on the matter -- Ottamieh ( talk) 22:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I know, I live under a rock, but would it be too much to ask for an IPA pronounciation to be added to the first sentence of the article? → Σ σ ς. ( Sigma) 21:48, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Isn't this considered trivia, which should be removed? "Del Rey's left hand is tattooed with the letter "M", referencing her grandmother, Madeleine,[79] and the word "paradise". Her right hand is tattooed with the phrase "trust no one". - Melodies1917 ( talk) 15:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
In the Biography section of her IMDB page, it says that she is a dugazon not contralto. A contralto's voice is deeper than those types of singers.
Whilst a dugazon is like a mezzo bordering on soprano specifically the dramatic type. That should be corrected.
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Just created a new article ( List of unreleased songs recorded by Lana Del Rey) and would love help adding new info! The primary source is https://lanadelrey.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_unreleased_songs but obviously BMI and various news outlets have provided the most sufficient info. Please contribute and integrate into the main article on Del Rey. Thanks!-- Ottamieh ( talk) 07:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Melodies1917, it will be when it gets transferred to the fandom.com domain in late February/early March. Several musicians wikis like Katy Perry for sample already moved to that URL in early October. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.163.178 ( talk) 23:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
To the IP above any Wiki including Fandom as well as Wikipedia are not reliable sources and should not be used in a article Abote2 ( talk) 18:19, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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<! genre= baroque pop. Stupidpianist ( talk) 22:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Is it really justifiable- right at the top of the article, no less- to state 'the media' considers her 'the queen of indie pop', simply on the basis of one provided source (and, at that, not a particularly high-level one; a Singaporean fashion magazine? It'd maybe be a little different if it were the New York Times, or something!)? I mean, I get this article was probably mainly worked on by people who like her rather than hate her, but still... The total Google search results for this phrase in conjunction with LDR number three; I note one article from a similarly minor source from the two days ago referring to her in the same way; the problem is journalists look at Wikipedia articles as a source, and thus a 'title' like this gains traction. Or was this all a clever tactic by her management? ;) At any rate, 'the media' is a considerable exaggeration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.43 ( talk) 00:28, 15 February 2019 (UTC) And looking at the social media linked at the top of the magazine's website: under 20,000 followers on Facebook; under 20,000 on Instagram; under 6,000 on Twitter; 310 on YouTube. Hardly a major publication by any measure, in this modern age where numbers are what matters. Compared to the nearly 6 million population of Singapore (say 3 million female), this is not particularly impressive, and even less so considering the site is in English and thus accessible to all English-speaking countries. This is simply insufficient as a basis for claiming that 'the media' call her by this name, and, frankly, insufficient to justify its inclusion here (how would one phrase it? "In May 2017, an online Singaporean fashion magazine referred to Lana Del Rey as 'the queen of indie pop', since when two other minor media sources have used the same name"? Ridiculous, no?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.43 ( talk) 00:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
so far 3 songs from the upcoming album have been released. i think there is enough coverage to redo the article for the album, even as as a stub. the track list section would be difficult though, because the full list has not been confirmed by Lana (social media) or anywhere like itunes and spotify. im asking here because NFR currently redirects here. thoughts? Melodies1917 ( talk) 17:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
She might release the long player as a gift for her 34 birthday. Most likely when the article gets resurrected from a vanishing nonexistence. It will make sense that her ahem unofficial debut under her birth name of Lizzy Grant began the string of decades known as the 10s. Lastly Adele's fourth will end the decade namely December 27.
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67.81.163.178 ( talk) 22:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I added a few more typical headings, but this article is super bloated, especially given she's an artist with only 8 years of career. To have a legacy section is just a bit outrageous. I am not NOT a fan, but this page is just in dire need to trimming and clenaup. She's got a new release but even that information is buried under the deluge of nonsense on this page. The volume is in the way of actually conveying information. If she was someone with a 20 or 30 year career it would be one thing, but egads. I mean, 294 citations, and not all of them crucial / the highlights. 1940CStreet ( talk) 22:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I've removed some of the occupations that were stated in the introduction and in the infobox. In my opinion this should state as clearly as possible what the person does. I think it's safe to say that everybody would primarily consider Lana del Rey as a singer and a songwriter first and foremost. I really think it would be misleading if her page stated otherwise.This should not be a list of all her abilities, but rather the one in which she invested herself consistently and for which she has gain recognition.
I am well aware that she has directed a lot of her own music videos and that she also has directed some shorts. Yet, I think calling her a director doesn't make much sense. There is a difference between doing and being, and so, yeah, she did act as director on a couple of her shoots, but this is in direct relation to her craft as a singer-songwriter and her brand development. Saying she is a director is an exaggeration in my opinion and I couldn't find in the media anything either praising or critical of her work as a director. It has nothing to do with the level of talent she may holds or not for the medium of cinema. Simply put, at this particular time she doesn't hold the credentials to be recognized as a director and I really don't think, she, herself, would describe herself to be a director
Also, I don't think record producer applies here, for roughly the same reasons. If she were producing for people other than herself, yes. But producinng herself is a natural extension of her occupation as a singer and doesn't constitute a whole different body of work for which she has gained recognition. She a also is not an actress an has never been publicly recognized. All that she did on film is merely a representation of herself or characters very much into the realm of her singer persona. Nor is she a model. Being an egeria for a brand, the face of some products is a different thing than modeling. Having your picture taken doesnt't make you a model. When she re represents a brand, she represents it as the singer Lana del Rey. Finally, I'm aware, she is about to to drop some poetry collections. Since this has not happened yet, calling her poet is prematured. Also, even when that is released, I really don't think she should be described as a poet unless she pursues that path with successives publications and gains recognitions in the literary fields. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrelussier ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Just removed "poet" once more from occupations in the info-box. Don't revert this unless you can provide sources stating she is regarded as a poet in her own right with some sort of consensus, that she is actively pursuing poetry and has published collections of poems (preferably more than one) for which she has gained recogition. Ideally those would be sources from publications that have authority in the field of literature. If you can prove it, submit the sources you have to support that claim on the talk page first, so it can be discussed before a change is made.
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Since this section is so long, a separate page would be the best for all the details. I believe it's best to slowly start removing information to make this sense dense and incorporate it on the page Career of Lana Del Rey.-- Ottamieh ( talk) 04:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
On the contrary, I really think the page "Career of Lana Del Rey" should be deleted and whatever relevant information on it that are not already on the main page "Lana Del Rey"XX could be added to it. Having a page about her career is just redundant and it has no distinct purpose than the main page. What is the distinction between the two ? She's on Wikipedia because of her career, that is already what this page is about. Also, there is no limit to the length of pages; this is simply not a thing, as long as the information is relevant. In fact, the page is well organized and nicely presented and if the information is divided in different sections thoughtfully planned, it is a good thing not a bad one to be able to find the core of the information on the same page. Of course, there are some reasons for which it is justified to create satellite pages. Pages focusing on an album or a single or a tour are obviously very useful. Specific pages on discography or videography or list of awards are also totally justified. A page on her career though is really not helpful, in my opinion it even makes thing more complicated and the risk of contradiction between the two pages would be really high. It's best if everybody contribute to the same page in order to create some sort of consensus and with good team work achieve something very polished instead of dividing our efforts. It would be ok to have a second page if she had a career a totally distinct field, if she also was a renown scientist or an elected politician, then a second page on that topic would be ok, but this does not apply here. I don't know what other contributors think, but for my part, I'd argue that the page "Career of Lana Del Rey should be deleted
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Hence why I put the overly detailed tag. Hack this thing down to a half and maybe we’ll get a Good™ article out of it. But frankly put, Lana is not yet on the calibre of artists who need separate pages for different aspects of their life. She’s got a long way to go for that. Trillfendi ( talk) 15:19, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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What should we put as the main infobox genres? Choose from the following genres, listing them in order of preference. Binksternet ( talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Four years ago there was a discussion on this talk page about Del Rey's genres, archived at Talk:Lana_Del_Rey/Archive_1#Genre_warring. No clear consensus emerged, but Baroque pop, dream pop, rock, trip hop and indie pop generally stayed in the infobox for the next three years, despite bouts of genre warring, especially involving sadcore. The guideline for Template:Infobox musical artist#genre says we should "aim for generality" and that two to four genres should be displayed in the infobox, not the five or more that has been so commonly seen here. Of course, all the other genres can and should be described in prose in the article body. The discussion four years ago and the edit summaries from recent genre warring make me think that not enough of us are trying to figure out what genres are most commonly found in the media sources. Let's drop the personal viewpoints and examine the sources to choose four main genres. Remember that song and album genres are not necessarily the genre of the musical artist. We should be looking for media sources that are describing Del Rey the artist or her music in general. Binksternet ( talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Is it acceptable that an anonymous user votes pretending to be a registered user? Blueberry72 ( talk) 18:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Does Ms. Del Rey believe that the .org domain should be sold to the highest bidder? EllenCT ( talk) 03:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
I think that this photo (recently uploaded to the Commons) would make a great, newer infobox photo. Thoughts? --
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I agree. I was looking at the same picture on Google Image a minute ago. I think it's a fair depiction of her current image. It is recent enough and under a Creative Commons License. Why not use it? It shows her style evolution, and her looks on this photograph are more consistent with the esthetic she currently puts forth. Of course, before making any substitution, it needs to undergo the vetting process. But I assuredly think people should start expressing themselves on the matter to see if we can get to a consensus.
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I think her boycott of Israel should be included in the "Social Views" section. [21] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weeslifts ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Why is the Filmography section placed before the Discography? LDR is primarily known for her music/studio albums and it is a bit puzzling to see the Filmography listed first. For non-fans, this can be confusing too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlapdashOrPersnickety ( talk • contribs) 11:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Done -- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 16:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
This is a good edit. It is reasonable to give her defenses against a major controversy. It it fades into obscurity it can be removed. Also feel the same about (other) feminism-related information if it is cited to RS. —DIYeditor ( talk) 17:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Her views on Feminism have already been documented. I also included her support of the me too movement. -- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 17:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I updated the information on her views on feminism to defect those views as of 2020. This should do. As for the controversy, just see how it plays out before adding things. Give it a month or two.-- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 17:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I was clarifying that it was Navajo Nation where she built houses. There are many Native American reservations. As for the mass shootings, again, this was to bring clarity to the issue she was raising awareness of through her philanthropy; this issue of gun violence in the United States as the US is one country. Not to confuse it with gun violence in other places. Most performers every now and again put something on social media that generates controversy and then it dies down. Since the post comparing herself to other artists, that news item has died down. News cycles are short. It’s not like she has been involved in a prolonged controversy lasting months. A two week period is not a long time. As for her video from the protest, she deleted the one showing the looting. She corrected a mistake. Why make it one mistake a topic for a Wikipedia discussion. Now if we were talking about David Duke, yeah you would have to talk about racism with him as he runs the KKK. That is relevant for him. As for Lana Del Rey, she said some things on Instagram, some folks didn’t like it. People moved on. If we are to include all of Lana’s minor Instagram controversies on here, then perhaps all of the minor social media Controversies of everyone else should be on their respective Instagram pages. I can name a handful of musicians who have made many more controversial statements than Lana ever did and even they don’t have controversy sections on their Wikipedia page. Wikipedia needs to be impartial and a social media controversy pales in comparison to someone like Eric Clapton getting up on stage and using racist words like he did decades ago. It pales in comparison to when Michael Richards went up on stage and started shouting the N word repeatedly in front of the audience. Lana Del Rey’s Instagram posts don’t measure up to any of that and therefor don’t need to be included. If she went out there and started using racist words then that would be different, but she has not done that. If her Instagram controversies are still occurring another month or two from now, then maybe it could be included and that is still a big maybe. -- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 22:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
In the early-2000s, Del Rey worked at a homeless shelter and did humanitarian work, including building houses at Navajo Nation. [1], sourced to a tweet, is more relevant than controversy that was covered in MANY secondary reliable sources. —DIYeditor ( talk) 04:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I re-added the controversy section to the article with more robust sourcing, including a Billboard reference that documents her having been involved in multiple controversies. As the article stands, the controversy section is supported by four reliable sources per
WP:RSP, while the philanthropy section contains zero. Given that the section now meets the requirement to fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources
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cannot be immediately fixed by refinement, which we have disproved per the re-inclusion with more sources. That aside, I restored most of what you wrote sans the Alison Roman comparison and the quote, the latter of which I replaced with quotes from a USA Today analysis. I'd like to hear why you believe both of these bits should still be included. Regarding the
full quote, we can obtain other users' opinions on which of these two proposed inclusions are more appropriate.
The section on "Social Views" currently contains the following statement:
This statement is sourced to an Instagram post (primary source) with the following text concerning feminism:
The use of the double negative ("I'm not not a feminist") and immediately following with a qualifying statement implying that there isn't a "place" for her in feminism is not exactly an unambiguous statement of "identification" as a feminist. The text of the original source is very informal (spelling errors, punctuation errors and loose formatting) and it's not necessarily clear if the use of "not not" is an intentional double negative, a typo of repeating a "not" which was intended to appear once, or a typo of turning what was intended as a "now" into a "not". Without secondary sources to interpret the meaning of this sentence and contextualize it in Del Rey's public history, I don't think it is appropriate to use it in the article the way it is used now. The semantic content is not apparent from the primary source.
The statement that Del Rey "voiced her support for a third wave of feminism" is also (potentially) confusing to the reader and might require further qualification or contextualization than the current text has. The currently-cited source actually does not discuss any "waves" of feminism, but they are discussed in another primary source ( https://www.instagram.com/p/CAghpnsJ8Sm/). The following text is relevant:
Based on this primary source, there are two issues with the text that currently appears in the Wikipedia article. The first is of Del Rey's "support" for a third wave of feminism, which is again not clear from the source material. Del Rey says that a "third wave" of feminism is "inevitable" and that it needs "room for [her] type". Saying that something is inevitable is not equivalent to saying that you support it. The usage of the term "third wave" in reference to something that is "rapidly approaching" (i.e. in the future) is also potentially confusing to readers of the Wikipedia article since the current scholarly and popular consensus is that there have already been a third and fourth wave of feminism. Secondary sources should be added to contextualize and explain how Del Rey's conception of the history of feminism fits with the conception found in other Wikipedia articles.
I therefore propose the following re-writing of the section in the Wikipedia article:
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Should this section on controversies surrounding Del Rey be included in the article? KyleJoan talk 14:49, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Del Rey has been the subject of multiple controversies. [2] In May 2020, she attracted criticism for an Instagram post in which she defended herself against accusations of glamorizing abuse in part by naming other female artists, mostly women of color, and citing their respective successes with works about "imperfect sexual relationships". [3] [4] Del Rey responded to the criticism by stating that her remarks "were taken out of context" and that the artists she'd listed "were among her favorites". [5] In the same month, she received further criticism after posting a video of looters during the George Floyd protests. [6]
In addition, if you support the inclusion of the controversies section, annotate which of the two wordings detailing Del Rey's response you prefer:
A: Del Rey responded to the criticism by stating that her remarks "were taken out of context" and that the artists she'd listed "were among her favorites".
B: Del Rey responded to the criticism that race was the theme of her post by saying "To be clear because I knowwwwww you love to twist things. I fucking love these singers and know them. That is why I mentioned them," and "when I said people who look like me — I meant the people who don’t look strong or necessarily smart, or like they’re in control etc."
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change "As of 2020, Del Rey has identified herself as a feminist and has voiced her support for a third wave of feminism." to "In May 2020, Del Rey identified herself as a feminist in an Instagram post and voiced her support for a third wave of feminism." YehudaHaNasi ( talk) 17:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
The word poet is regularly added to the infobox or the introduction paragraph. I am aware she will soon be releasing a collection of poems, but even after that, her Wikipedia entry should not present her as a poet. It is not what she is known for and only creates confusion. Unless she actively pursues poetry by putting out successive other publications and gains recognition as a poet in her own right with some consensus in the field of literature, it is inaccurate to describe her as a poet.
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Hello. I read the comment above and I definitely agree with many things you say. I really don't think Del Rey is currently famous as a poet, but it seems weird not to portray her as a poet in her wikipedia.
Let's talk about profession. There are many examples of celebrities who are portrayed as a singer and actress, but in fact she is mostly known as a singer or as an actress. This is normal. It is not just because the person is better known for one profession that it negates the other. I believe from the bottom of my heart that when reading his own Wikipedia, Del Rey would love to see "poet" written.
As I said above, there are many things said that are true. What I don't understand, exactly, is what would change if had a simple word "poet" added on Wikipedia. For example, in Brazilian Wikipedia, we already have Del Rey as a poet.
Besides, will she release a book and will you again prevent her from being classified as a writer? Which again, is strange. She is clearly a poet and will be a writer, has two releases scheduled, I don't understand how it would make people confused when reading "singer, songwriter, writer and poet" in her wikipedia if she really is. (obviously, the word writer should only be added after the book is released).
Anyway, as a fan, I believe that would not change anything by two more words on the page, being consistent with what Del Rey actually does, which is singing, composing and writing poems. I also believe that there are many other people who think like me.
Regardless of all this, if you really maintain the decision not to put Lana Del Rey as a poet, I believe that eventually it will happen. At one time or another she will become a great poet and that will appear on your Wikipedia, it is inevitable.
Finally, forgiveness for my English. I hope you can read and understand what I meant. Misscupcakke ( talk) 17:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please add Stevie Nicks under associated acts. Both have a song “Beautiful People and Beautiful Problems”. 2600:1700:3990:4350:F108:3CF9:FAFF:F9F8 ( talk) 18:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
The spoken word album should be included. Its a spoken word album, but not a studio album. Separate sections. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
It’s still a spoken word album which is recorded in a studio with a producer and engineer. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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The Weeknd should be added to Lana's Associate acts. This seems fairly obvious to me. They are close collaborators and friends. They are regularly seen together. They have collaborated 5 times, on the following tracks:
ASAP Rocky is an artist who similarly meets the criteria. They are also close collaborators and friends, and they have collaborated 3 times. I am unsure as to why The Weeknd does not appear on the list, yet
ASAP Rocky does; they have more collaborations.
N.B. I completely agree with Rocky being on this list, I just believe The Weeknd should be on it as well, and he is arguably more deserving.
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox ( talk) 00:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I made some changes to ensure this page does not look like a gossip column. Who she dates is her personal life and really should not be included in the career section as it is not her personal life. The only way to include that is if you have a section for her personal life. It is only a rumor about her being engaged, one which she has not confirmed directly. Also, how a media source interprets her words is not a controversy pertaining to Lana Del Rey herself, but the media outlet that chose to misinterpret her. That kind of controversy should instead be included on the page for the media source that misquoted her as that is poor and inaccurate reporting on the source in question (Complex), rather than Lana. Bias media reporting especially when it comes from music publications and celebrity gossip sources is not reliable and does not meet proper journalistic standards. Also when it comes to religion she was raised Catholic but that is not the same as being a practicing Catholic. This also pertains to her personal life and no such personal life section exists here. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 14:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
These edits are baseless. Another thing that damages the credibility is the failure to spell her name correctly. But hey, lets allow wikipedia to be a place for radical feminists to smear women they see as a threat. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 20:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Actually this page has looked like a gossip column. The user has a point. I work in the industry as a mixer. Is this page about how the media (which is very bias) responds to her words, or is it about her career? Also, I would caution against bringing in a political agenda. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Notability? Only after one source, that being Complex Magazine took her words out of context. Other sources picked up on Complex's misinformation. Its like playing telephone. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Would you include this content if an artist such as Beyonce made statements like this? Of course not. She is a hard core feminist and suits the agenda of certain people. It looks to me like you just dislike Lana Del Rey and want to bring this into the article to make her look bad so you can harm her career. If every statement that got misquoted by the press got included in the controversy section of every artist's wikipedia page, it would just be an article about controversy. It seems to me that you are interested in engaging in revenge editing because Lana Del Rey's words rubbed you the wrong way. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 21:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Will you two act like adults? Neither one of you is behaving in a civilized manor. While I agree that this page for Lana Del Rey does not look professional and it resembles a tabloid rather than a professionally written article, getting into an edit war is ridiculous. Leave the article alone. Keep the controversy about the Capitol and race out. Race baiting should be avoided on here and the Capitol attack issue and Del Rey's words were taken out of context. But the name calling on here is out of hand and neither one of you have a case for overhauling this article. Lana Del Rey is a musician, the page should be about her work. And that can be done without name calling and edit wars. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Every and I mean every musician gives their opinion when asked. Its simply isn't notable to include it in the controversy section. If we were to do that, this entire page would be all about every controversial statement she has made because anyone who is famous who expresses an opinion gets some people pissed off and the press talks. This isn't like a sexual harassment case when you have substantiated claims. We have free speech in the united states and using that right should not warrant additions to a controversy section every time a public figure opens their mouth. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Wow, all those figures you mention are white. Sounds like reverse discrimination. And those sources you mention are all bias. CNN is very slanted. So is the Washington Post. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 21:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
This is where she stands. Her word stands above that of the media because she was misquoted. Also as someone who works in this industry, the way certain media outlets reported on this constitute libel. Now I don’t think libelous information should stand on here either. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Now to the point of who she dates, that should not be included in her career section. Is there a personal life section? No. Should there be one? Maybe. Is she engaged? Well without Lana Del Rey herself confirming it, no it should not be included.
As for the album cover, she responded to Instagram comments who were commenting on the race. Lana informing people that there are people of color on the cover is not a racist act. Also having a cover of all white people isn’t racist either. So that does feel like a gossip column. It is very dangerous to suggest someone is a racist when they have not engaged in a clear racist act. It’s not like we have seen her walking around in a white sheet burning crosses. Also her Instagram post about other artists have nothing to do with race she didn’t say “black people”. But the media decided to take something which was not about race and make it about race. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Now to the point of who she dates, that should not be included in her career section. Is there a personal life section? No. Should there be one? Maybe. Is she engaged? Well without Lana Del Rey herself confirming it, no it should not be included.
As for the album cover, she responded to Instagram comments who were commenting on the race. Lana informing people that there are people of color on the cover is not a racist act. Also having a cover of all white people isn’t racist either. So that does feel like a gossip column. It is very dangerous to suggest someone is a racist when they have not engaged in a clear racist act. It’s not like we have seen her walking around in a white sheet burning crosses. Also her Instagram post about other artists have nothing to do with race she didn’t say “black people”. But the media decided to take something which was not about race and make it about race. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Also she states clearly she voted for Joe Biden: https://mobile.twitter.com/LanaDelRey/status/1349097587756863490
Trying to paint her any other way is libelous. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Anyway, back on point, she has criticized Donald Trump before and that is already mentioned. It probably does not need to be mentioned every time she criticizes the traitor-in-chief. I separate section about her politics would be fine, but it does not need to be about controversy. Just state her views on Trump and the fact that she voted for Joe Biden and the fact that she is politically liberal. Not that her politics is anyone’s business. The only new thing about her politics that is new and notable worth mentioning is the fact that she voted for Biden and celebrated his win. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 22:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
@ TheGreatMix Please come to a consensus or compromise on the talk page before adding relevant information, per WP policy.-- Bettydaisies ( talk) 23:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I fixed it in a way which is fair and impartial. This has gone on long enough and I think the way I fixed it works. It’s a fair compromise that doesn’t give the impression of bias. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 23:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I still don’t think that her dating life should be included in the career section though. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 00:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m a reviewer, and as I was editing this page it was brought to my attention that there was a dispute. Give me time to review this issue and I’ll take a position. Just give me time. -- Alextwa ( talk) 23:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Requesting community-wide feedback after failure to come to consensus after this reversion. Should her comments following the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol and the release of her newest album's artwork, reported in major sources listed in WP:RSPSRC, be included in the "Social views and controversies section?" To what extent? Thank you.-- Bettydaisies ( talk) 01:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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I have reviewed this dispute as well as the evidence and the facts. I have drawn the following conclusions; 1. There seem to be too many vested interests in this dispute, hence the edit war which has taken place here. The edit warring must stop. 2. The Washington Post article which is cited is technically an opinion piece and not an impartial take on the controversy. I listened to the interview with the BBC that Ms Grant did and after looking at news reports, it is clear that her words were indeed taken out of context. This is commonplace within the entertainment industry. Media publications will take words, twist them and then misreport. They will misreport because they want viewers. This is not exclusive to Lana Del Rey. This has been done to other performers and it doesn’t get included in the controversy section on said performer’s Wikipedia page. After her words were taken out of context she put a video up on her Instagram page responding to the media’s coverage. That coverage was indeed bias. She did not say that former President Trump was no responsible. She was offering a take on the former president’s mental state and how that mental state has impacted him and how he as an individual have affected society curtesy of his mental state. Back on the topic of the Washington Post article, the Post also wrongly reported on the Covington Catholic High School student who was at a Right to Life protest where he was confronted by a Native American man. The misreporting led to a lawsuit against the Post and both parties settled. The Post has in the past misreported on these sensitive topics and the situation with Lana Del Rey appears no different. Lana Del Rey did not single out the Post in her Instagram video but instead mentioned Complex Magazine. Now when we look at how things were reported, Complex ran the first article misreporting Ms. Grant’s words. Other publications followed Complex is wrongfully reporting on her words. 3. Ms Grant’s (Lana Del Rey) response to the album cover was a response to false comments Instagram users were making. Those users were falsely claiming that there was no diversity. Ms. Grant confirmed the facts that there are women of color in the photo. In this case she was trying to correct false statements made my Instagram users. Correcting false statements should not be viewed as a “controversy”. 4. Lana Del Rey herself has attracted a lot of scrutiny and is often misquoted and misunderstood by media publications. This is likely to continue. As I mentioned above, media publications twist the words of public figures very often because there is a motive to get viewers and readers. Viewers and readers help these outlets make money. Wikipedia is not for profit. Wikipedia provides a unique free service to the public, which is why Wikipedia needs to be fair and impartial. The way parts of this controversy section are written do not appear to be fair and impartial based upon the facts we know. 5. As I mentioned, whenever Lana Del Rey gives an interview, there is a good chance her words will be misquoted. Whenever that happens, do we add to the controversy section? If so, the majority of this page will be about Lana Del Rey related controversies. This can get out of hand and redundant very easily. In conclusion, that section should basically simply point out to the fact that she stated that former President Trump is a narcissist who suffers from sociopathy. There is no need to mention it in the context of the Capitol terror attack because in the BBC interview she was talking about the former president in general terms. The Capitol attack was a current event when she did the interview. The part about her response to the album cover should not be included because all she was saying was a response to false statements about the diversity of those in the photo on the album cover. As for the face mask comment, she stated that the face mask had a protective layer. This is another case of misreporting on her actions. If the mask had a protective layer then it offered protection then it is inaccurate to say it offered no protection. I also would like to add that it is questionable to imply racial bias on Ms Grant’s part. There is no evidence of her treating non-whites in an inferior fashion compared to whites. One could argue that it is irresponsible to suggest racial bias when race was not the intention. Now there appears to have been a dispute over including content about who Ms Grant has dated. Now this article has no “Personal life” section. That kind of content should be included in a personal life section and this article perhaps could have a section like that similar to other performers. However, Ms Grant does not seem to be too public with her private life, so a personal life section might not work. Anyway, this is my take. I strongly advocate to changing the controversy section so that it is not influenced by news reports which have taken the performer’s words out of context. As time goes by, a section like this controversy section can get way too long and out of hand. -- Alextwa ( talk) 01:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I fixed it up. All I ask now is for users to refrain from edit-warring. -- Alextwa ( talk) 20:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm able to do this as a reviewer. All I ask is for all parties to refrain from edit warring. I have seen too many vested interests on both sides of this debate and it needs to end. Hopefully this change keeps the peace. If not then locking the page could be an option. -- Alextwa ( talk) 20:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
It is very much worth letting go of this dispute. Putting text in boldface just escalates an already bad situation. Not letting this go will only lead to more disputes and more tempers flaring. As I have mentioned this is not in anyone’s interest. But I must pose this rhetorical question; how does re-working the section hurt those involved in this dispute. Does it alter one’s life? Of course not. There are times to let things go and this is one of them. No one wants to be issued a warning over edit-warring. It won’t fix anything. There is nothing to take personally especially when the objective is to be impartial. After looking at the arguments here on both side I see vested interests all over the place. My edit will keep the page fair and balanced and free from vested interests. I’m looking at the edit history on this page and this has gone on for too long. It is in everyone’s interest to move on and keep the peace. -- Alextwa ( talk) 21:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I could respond and ask another rhetorical question; what gives you the right to engage in an edit war with other users? I can see other users changed things and you reverted edits. I can also see that you had initially misspelled Ms. Grant’s stage name (Lana Del Rey) wrong. It looks to me like perhaps on the spur of the moment that you decided to change things because maybe Ms. Grant’s words upset you. If this is the case and it was then followed by an edit war, then that is unfortunate. I could also ask why you didn’t propose making changes to the page by discussing your proposal in the talk section first before going all in. Looking at the time stamps, you edited the controversy section first, then other users reverted your edits. Then one of the other users rightfully brought the dispute into the talk page despite not resorting to diplomacy. Then another user without an account got in on the edit war and the discussion on here. None of this was handled properly. After reviewing this, I feel that the way I fixed this is a fair compromise and I simply ask for the edit to be respected and to let it stand. In fact, I added content which makes the section clearer and perhaps easier to navigate. This is simply a good time to move forward and not take things personal. There has been too much of that going on and it needs to stop. There are much bigger problems in the world than this article. I just ask for everyone to keep the peace. -- Alextwa ( talk) 21:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m a reviewer and having reviewed everything, this is a fair solution I have edited into the article. Now when I look at your user page, you identify yourself as a feminist and interested in Black Lives Matter and civil rights issues. Nothing wrong with that. But then for you to edit a page on a musician who has not identified with the ideology that you have to me suggests that you might not be in the best position to offer a non-bias take. What is clear to me is that self-identified feminists don’t like Lana Del Rey. However she is free to identify how she wants. So I have to ask, what is your personal opinion of her? Do you like her as a person? As a musician? Do you believe her to be a racist? Or opposed to women’s rights? If this were jury duty and a bus driver was being sued, a juror who drives a bus probably won’t be able to be impartial. I don’t see any of you in this dispute as being impartial. And this is the problem I see and this is why I fixed it the way I did. I see way too many conflicts here and this is why I say move on and why I ask to keep the peace. -- Alextwa ( talk) 21:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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Francessco Carozini Or whatever should have a link to his wiki page :) 47.55.121.244 ( talk) 00:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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Elizabeth Woolridge Grant, known professionally as Lana Del Rey also known as “The Queen of Alternative”, is an American singer-songwriter.
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" Del Rey collaborated with Ariana Grande and Miley Cyrus on "Don't Call Me Angel" for the action comedy Charlie's Angels (2019), which peaked at number 13 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, becoming her highest charting song." --> Isn't Summertime Sadness her highest charting song? — Preceding
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change "glamor" to "glamour" Dadenney ( talk) 22:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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On the main Lana del Rey Wikipedia page it is mentioned that her highest charting song on the Billboard Hot 100 is the Charlie's Angels collaboration with Ariana Grande and Miley Cyrus "Don't Call Me Angel", which is not true. Her highest charting song on that chart is "Summertime Sadness", remixed by Cedric Gervais. She IS mentioned as an artist and therefore that is her highest charting song, as can be seen on the OFFICIAL Billboard website. https://www.billboard.com/artist/lana-del-rey/chart-history/hsi/ Hope you can make this change because what is said is simply wrong. Andrea Dujo ( talk) 07:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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i hope to change the picture to a prettier one Kempbest ( talk) 15:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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Accountbyseda ( talk) 15:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC) changing the date of birth to correct one - from june 22 to june 21
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In the case « other name » we can read « lana del RAY » instead of Lana del Rey so if you can change that it would be great
Hello. I noticed many amazing artists that Lana influenced are missing from the IMPACT page. I’d suggest someone adds Charli XCX, The Weeknd, Sky Ferreira, Lorde, Wolf Alice, Bleachers, Best Coast, CHVRCHES, Halsey, Troye Sivan, Melanie Martinez, Kali Uchis, Taylor Swift, Marina & The Diamonds, BØRNS, The Neighborhood, Arctic Monkeys, Tove Lo, SZA, Weyes Blood and Zella Day. Ldr199822 ( talk) 18:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
She wore a fake native headdress and refuses to apologize for it or recognize it as wrong saying it means what she wants it to mean, all after helping a native community 67.171.220.20 ( talk) 23:59, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
what does this have to do with the wikipedia article? Notsammyray ( talk) 22:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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In one place in the article, it states that Del Rey has a brother named Charlie. But later the article states she has a sister named Chuck. I ran across this reference to her sister Chuck in another article and came here hoping this article would have an answer on which it was but it doesn't. So does Del Rey have a trans sibling? My only concern is consistency. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 03:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding a sourced umbrella genre term " alt-pop" that's become prevalent in recent years for artists like Lana, Lorde, Billie Eilish etc who blend left-of-center pop with alternative, hip-hop, and electronic elements—4 sources supporting, including two from Billboard, would seem sufficient to justify it as a broad label included in the box. Kkollaps ( talk) 16:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Noticed that there's a slight typo in the title of the new album. It should be "Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd", not "Did You Know There Is A Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd?" Mwb1291 ( talk) 16:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to merge Did You Know That There's a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd to the relevant section of this article, per my reverted edit. There is simply not enough information on the album to justify a separate article currently, and the paragraph of information there can be used to fill out the currently sparse section on this page. @ Ss112 U-Mos ( talk) 17:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Lana's appearance and style have changed since her performance at the Grammy Museum in 2019, and I think a new picture would more accurately represent her. Something from her appearance at Billboard Women in Music 2023 would work great, as they're mostly licensed red carpet photos in which she is staring straight forward. Anastasius4441 ( talk) 05:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
"When recording in the studio, Del Rey is known for vocal multi-layering, which, as it has been noted, is difficult for her to replicate within a live setting, especially with the lack of backing singers to fill out the original vocal style." seems to be at odds with the reality of playback and the more recent (ie, past 2012) reviews of Lana's shows, ignoring also that Lana has employed backup singers in her most recent live (televised) performances. Long story short - playback is both easy to use in live performances and used in Lana's live performances, so this note seems outdated.
Additionally, the section seems outdated considering the amount of releases and commentary on her vocal style in those releases since Honeymoon (2015), as well as the amount of tours and festivals (and commentary on her vocals in these performances) since this time. 66.235.168.192 ( talk) 05:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
In June of 2023, Lana's father Rob Grant will be releasing his debut album 'Lost At Sea.' Lana Del Rey will be featured on two songs on the album. Timothy Spear ( talk) 22:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey has never produced other artists, and her music is always produced by others such as David Kahne, Emile Haynie and Jack Antonoff. She does not merit the occupation of producer. Rather, she is actively involved with her own musical output, the same as any strong-willed musical artist.
She has never won an award for producing, unlike Mariah Carey who has a producing Grammy.
Lana Del Rey is not described by the media as a producer. They don't write "Lana Del Rey the producer" or "producer Lana Del Rey". Binksternet ( talk) 14:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
"the same as any strong-willed musical artist." is objectively incorrect. Most pop artists are /not/ involved in the production of their music, which is an actual skill that earns credits with actual (and legal) significance. Notably, Lana did not begin receiving production credits for her work until after the album that introduced her to the mainstream (Born to Die).
Lana Del Rey has never won a Grammy period, unlike Mariah Carey. Does this make her also not a singer or songwriter? The vast majority of Lana's songwriting credits are for her own work, does this not make her a songwriter?
For what it's worth, almost every music review of Lana's work (especially post NFR!) comments about her influence on the production of her music, usually to contrast it to other albums Jack Antonoff has produced. All that to say "Producer" is a term with real meaning, one which Lana has qualified for her with her production work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LDRnfr ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
"Chemtrails over the Country Club is described as a folk, country folk, and Americana record."
"Musically, Blue Banisters has been described as a folk, pop, jazz, and Americana record."
"Did You Know That There's a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd is a sixteen-track set, described as a "psychedelic Americana", alternative pop and trip hop album,..."
I think since her last 3 albums have had an Americana theme, it'd be a good idea to add Americana under her genres, also because she is listed under "Notable Americana musicians" on the Americana (music) page. Joejazzy ( talk) 14:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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She had a hidden relationship that lasted 1 year with a romanian boy named Andrei Dragan. This was very well hidden by the two of them hence it was better to keep it away from the media. She has made 2 songs directed to him. Drewinthis ( talk) 11:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I have been thinking about this for a couple years. I think it might be a good time to change the profile picture for Lana? It is a good picture, although the lighting always bothered me as it sort of obscures the color of her eyes. Can someone tell me or send me link to Wikipedia’s guidelines or preferences when it comes to images. The one used is nearly 4 years old as well, so I wonder if it’s preferable to have a more updated image to what she looks like now. Magnumb22 ( talk) 07:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Why isn’t poet added to the occupations list since she has one poetry book published? 181.199.63.85 ( talk) 02:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
as of 11:40p ET on July 30, 2023 this page indicates that Lana Del Rey died today. she did not. 2600:1009:B00B:C354:0:14:4FD1:AD01 ( talk) 03:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
User Celebritynewsupsaterretro is making false edits and spreading fake news and hoaxs. Lana Del Rey is alive and well. Her supposed death in a couple of days ago was a hoax.
Can someone reverse the edits of this user of 31 July? Remzicavdar ( talk) 03:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently created a draft for Lana Del Rey on Saturday Night Live. Any help with expansion would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 02:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
Lana del rey is mother 2A02:C7C:382E:6B00:F486:D5CE:9DD0:4576 ( talk) 19:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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"Lana Del Rey is an active supporter of Israel. This can be seen through the letter she signed, "A letter to Biden" posted on the 23rd of October 2023 on the website NoHostageLeftBehind. Her and numerous public figures such as Gal Gadot and Amy Schumer, both associated with zionism, racism and bigotry have commended President Joe Biden for his “unshakable moral conviction” and his unchanging stance on supporting and funding Israel. The US has given Israel more military assistance than any other country since World War II, providing aid worth more than $124billion. A consequence of this, as of the 8th of December,The Ministry of Health in Gaza has said that 17,177 people – including 7,112 children – have been killed and 46,000 wounded since the Israeli-Palestinian conflict started on October 7. This is what Lizzy Grant stands with. Biitchpleasegivemeafry ( talk) 18:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Line 1 in the article states she's a British singer and songwriter. She's an American singer and songwriter. This was changed on 11 January 2024 for some reason. Redsheep94 ( talk) 20:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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I believe it is finally time that we add the "Americana" genre to Del Rey's genre list. Her music has notably referenced Americana and has dived into the genre with the releases of her later works. With the release of her 10th studio album, Lasso, a country album, it is finally a just time to add Americana to her genre list. 24.102.147.15 ( talk) 21:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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The lead lists Britney Spears as one of Del Rey's influences and cites The Guardian; however, the cited link fails to provide support for this claim. I am currently listening to Del Rey's interview on BBC's 6music and Del Rey does indeed cite Elvis Presley and Antony and the Johnsons as among her musical influences, but makes no mention of Britney Spears. Could someone provide: (1) a source to support the claim that Spears is among her primary musical influences and (2) an indication that Spears's influence is significant enough to merit her inclusion in the lead paragraph of Del Rey's biography? Countercouper ( talk) 10:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
In that BBC interview, she mentions as the first thing about her influences, that she was always very much into Nirvana and got inspired when seeing the video to "Heart shaped box". This is not included under her musical influences, and should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilpimp ( talk • contribs) 15:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
→Is the reference to John Waters a mis attribution to Roger_Waters? Jabberwoch ( talk) 21:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the 'influences' info is starting to get old hat; I mean, the volume of artists quoted as being an influence at one time or another reaches into double figures, and IMO demeans the entry. Time to remove? 157.203.255.2 ( talk) 12:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
by lilydo12 : Lana Del Rey's interviewed by NME on 21 January 2012, the video is on Youtube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRAFNSgk1Ns), Lana cites Nirvana as her first influence,then Frank Sinatra,Elvis (Presley), Bob Dylan, Eminem & the masters of every genre... That interview is a great source to understand her influences,art and background...
I can't believe that she doesn't cite ANY dream pop bands or singers as that's exactly what she sounds like. Her self-described "gangsta Nancy Sinatra" is beyond silly. She should at least mention Mazzy Starr (Hope Sandoval) above anyone else.-- 98.119.14.40 ( talk) 17:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I found some freely licensed outtakes from her Jaguar F-Type shoot. Which one do you think we should include in the article?
-- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 20:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
In the section "Musical style and influences" -
Pontiac Grandamn
should be corrected and hyperlinked as:
Pontiac Grand Am
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I do think a photo from that time is worth more than an audio snippet. This was the reason for adding the snippet: "Adding a fair-use sound clip to help illustrate Del Rey's earlier style, since we do not have images." (Thevampireashlee). A photo is worth a lot more here. teammathi ( talk) 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Although it appears the result of the moot was to keep the audio clip and ditch the photograph, but I recently unearthed a source that verified my claim. According to Shirley Halperin of The Hollywood Reporter, Del Rey's Grant-era music departs from her current sound in that it is happier and jazzier. [1] I have included this into the article, to further cushion against possible OR claims and to defend my original argument. The Hollywood Reporter is published by Prometheus Global Media, who also publish Billboard, so they seem quite reliable on the subject. -- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 02:08, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
"A music video created by Del Rey for the song was posted on YouTube in August 2011 and became a viral internet hit. Del Rey then signed a joint deal with Interscope and Polydor in collaboration with Stranger Recordsin July 2011." doesn't make sense to me. teammathi ( talk) 18:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I initially believed that Paradise was her third EP, following Kill Kill and her self-titled Interscope debut. However, I recently uncovered (ANOTHER!) hidden release from Miss Lizzy. Apparently, it's called No Kung Fu. If we could procure more reliable sources, we could write an individual article on it, but I'm surprised it has not even been mentioned on the artist's article. I think I saw something about it on List of Lana Del Rey songs or was it List of unreleased Lana Del Rey songs before it was deleted? Could the EP perhaps have been a fan creation, or was it an unreleased demo like Sirens? Here are some unreliable sources that I uncovered:
Looks like all the tracks were used on her debut, Lana Del Ray a.k.a. Lizzy Grant. Thoughts?
Ok, I know this may sound trivial, but Del Rey drives a Jaguar XK. Since she is also the face of Jaguar and she most probably got her car through that deal I thought it may be notable and could be included in the personal life section. I can provide a source if it should be included. teammathi ( talk) 15:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Since I have nominated Born to Die Tour (which I created myself) for deletion because it has never officially been named that and the 2013 tour doesn't have a name, I suggest that we add a "Performances" section to this article discussing tours, performances on TV shows etc. teammathi ( talk) 21:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
what are your sources for the personal life biography of her? Especially the parts about being an alcoholic teenager and then having lived in a trailer park . It sounds contradictive to the fact her rich father helped her finance , market her album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.46.84.169 ( talk) 02:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello editors article. I'm a fan of Lana Del Rey and wonder if they can carry this picture for me, it is down there. George miranda do nascimento ( talk) 14:54, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jaguarcarsmena/8039217931/in/photostream/
Her name is very English sounding. 86.184.143.180 ( talk) 02:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey! Lana is coming to Finland 16.6. Can someone add that to article? Thanks! :) -- 82.181.245.234 ( talk) 11:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Lana confirmed at last night's Brit Awards that she lives in London. Not NYC or LA as stated in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.85.19 ( talk) 12:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Lana is also nominated in world music awards in the categorie "World's Best Entertainer of the Year" so you can add that to your table: Awards and nominations. My source http://www.worldmusicawards.com/#!worlds-best-entertainer-of-the-year/clqm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.35.38.120 ( talk) 22:03, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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In 'influences' section, 'Alan Ginsberg' should be spelled 'Allen Ginsberg'--redirect works though. 76.24.30.73 ( talk) 03:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
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This is my first edit so forgive my inexperience. I want to add to this page that Lana Del Rey is a supporter of Liverpool Football Club. Here is my source: http://nesn.com/2013/03/lana-del-rey-makes-first-anfield-visit-watches-liverpools-dramatic-victory-over-tottenham/ Here is another source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2291380/Lana-Del-Rey-good-luck-charm-watches-Liverpool-FC-beat-Tottenham-Hotspur.html Flawlesst ( talk) 07:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Teo
Looking through the article, it's doing quite well. One glaring issues that pops out at me is the section titled "Performances" below the "Artistry" section. Is this section necessary or notable? Skimming through featured articles about solo female pop singers (i.e. Mariah Carey and Kylie Minogue) no such section exists. Certainly their performances are notable, but why are they not included? I vote for the removal of this section on the Lana Del Rey article. It seems like trivia and clutter, frankly. I would also consider splitting it into a separate article called List of Lana Del Rey performances or something similar. Again, I'm not sure the information is crucial to the encyclopedia. That aside, I think more could be said about Del Rey's music video artistry and public image. Thoughts welcome. -- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 14:09, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't think "2011–2012: Born to Die, Paradise, and product endorsements" and "2013–present: third studio album and The Great Gatsby" should be split. She is currently on her tour promoting Paradise and her song for The Great Gatsby was originally supposed to be on Paradise. I think we should start a new section when the "Born to Die and Paradise-era" is over and we start getting more information on her third studio album.
"On February 14, 2013 the music video for "Burning Desire" was released.[98] At the 2013 BRIT Awards, she won the award for International Female Solo Artist, making it her second BRIT Award to date.[99] Del Rey's win surprised critics who highly anticipated Taylor Swift to win the award.[99]" - this doesn't even have anything to do with the next album or Gatsby. teammathi ( talk) 08:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
This article is loaded with links that revert back to the article. Thmazing ( talk) 23:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I just found out that List of awards and nominations received by Lana Del Rey exists, now I'm not sure whether her awards should only be listed here or there. teammathi ( talk) 08:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Since we seem to have silly genres constantly added, can anyone point out solid sources that actually support 'alternative rock' and 'alternative hip hop'? -- Michig ( talk) 14:49, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm questioning how necessary it is to have a section for her voice type at the moment, especially considering that her voice type itself is constantly up for debate and different opinion. Although our sources do say she is a contralto, I feel like those sources including all the sources I can find regarding her voice type are created out of the interpretation and opinion of the writer. And of course, contradict each other. There's no doubt that Lana has sang and recorded a great range of notes... As far as image and opinions go, she is famous for singing low. But she's also famous for her girlish tone, unlike the typical contralto. I'm unsure if we can really define her voice type (contralto, mezzo-soprano, soprano, etc) just yet. Sources in our article do say that she has said she used to sing high, and purposely tried to lower it to be taken more seriously. That gives me the impression that, in my personal opinion, she perhaps is not a natural contralto (again, my opinion, not something to cite). But I don't know if there's anywhere documented where she herself, or some one close to her, has said what her voice type is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.163.17.106 ( talk) 04:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
I rarely edit, so I could be wrong, and I don't feel like making an account, but some of the artistry section sounds bad. It says " the chapbook Leaves of Grass" and "a poem called Howl" when both of these works are very well known. It also refers to David Lynch as a "neo- noir" director, when his genre and style tend to vary.
I'm requesting that an authorized person adds information about her mentioning she may not produce another album, effectively ending her singing career. The following information is crucial and should not be left out despite that she's still a living person. The information below is from this website: http://www.nme.com/news/lana-del-rey/61850
Also, it needs to be noted that the announcement came shortly after the badly received performances on SNL and especially David Letterman. Gretchen Mädelnick ( talk) 18:07, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, now I can edit myself as I have become an auto-registered user. Nevertheless I'd still like to invite interested people to discuss first. To summarize the situation for your convenience: Lana Del Rey expressed her disappointment about her career. She repeated that sentiment again, whilst announcing she'd not produce a new record, after her live performances on SNL and David Letterman were criticized. RGCorris indicated new records are being produced nevertheless, though the records do not hold original material. Gretchen Mädelnick ( talk) 17:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Who changed the date of birth to being a year older? it was originally set set 1986, now it's changed to 1985, I'm pretty sure she was actually born in 1986 as it was before, I even double checked and in a biography of her states her birth year was 1986. Zak Hammat ( talk) 2:11, 30 June (ASST) I have just seen the talk articles and proof that her actual year was 1985 and 1986 was just a misinformed year, resulting in most interviews and articles that her age being mentioned was misinformation, so is 1985 really the year of birth? if she was then she would have been 20 the first year being active in 2005, which seems a bit old and Google still says the birth year 1986, which I thought was more likely accurate. Zak Hammat ( talk) I've double checked for proof and it is found that IMDb confirms 1986 was her actual birth year, turns out the fault was in the early articles. Zak Hammat ( talk) 3:18, 30 June (ASST) There is another link supplied confirming 1986 is factual, in the early life section there is a URL to an interview with her from October 7, 2011 and she herself says in this interview she was in fact 25 at the time, therefore it is 1986 so she today is 27 (source). 11:48, 30 June (ASST) So if those 2 early articles mentioned are correct, then that must mean Lana lied about her age in the link of October 7. 2011. 3:14, 1 July (ASST) Deneuve15, the one responsible for changing the birth date has been blocked from editing by Kww, and if he ever changes the birth date without consensus again he will be blocked permanently, birth dates should never be changed and are to be left alone, her year of birth was in fact 1986, therefore it should be staying this way. Zak Hammat ( talk) 12:52, 5 July (ASST)
You really have it in for me don't you! just because I want to put up a valid edit. I'm aware of your 'unblocking' terms and as you can see I added my request to edit on the talk page with the source link below. I completely disagree that the year of birth can't be changed which is what I stated to Zak Hammat in the comment above where he states the birth date can never be changed - if it's wrong it should be changed. I really don't see what the problem is - wiki is about FACTS with reliable sources. You clearly have some 'control issues' going on and can you please unblock my user page or I will go to admin boards as you don't seem to know what you are doing. Deneuve15 ( talk) 18:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
But merely 'avoiding' correcting comments that are actually relevant to wiki editing i.e. the date of birth can never be changed; which is nonsense it all comes down to reliable source information which, you actually chose to remove and then block me. You seem to be making this all very personal which isn't what wikipedia is about! this needs to go to admin Deneuve15 ( talk) 11:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I have in fact noticed that she did not start writing until she was 18 but there is no particular year set for this, all there is that her first year active is 2005, yes I have seen those sources there, and I actually stopped changing that birth date but I'm not the reason you got blocked, it was Kww who blocked you for it cos you need consensus, and if you change it again without consensus he will block you permanently, I read his message, however I can see there is misinformation about the age, it is confusion but I see birth dates should not be changed all the time, her year of birth is set to 1986 and can no longer be changed cos the page is now secure, but really nobody's birth date at should be getting changed a lot, usually IMDB is more accurate, you need to stop messing around with this, but really I'm sick of seeing them play with us like this.Zak Hammat (talk) 00:43, July 14 (ASST)
I hate to tell you this, no offence but I'm with Kww on this, I highly doubt he has any problem, it's you, because like I said birth dates should not be messed with, there is now a new source about her upcoming video "Tropico" and it still states her with her mostly confirmed age right now 27, so it in fact should just be left to alone, it's up to the owners of the page.Zak Hammat (talk) 1:16 July 15 (ASST)
The birth date should be correct and the source I provided is very reliable: Elizabeth-Woolridge_Grant applied for copyright at the United States Copyright Office in 2005 twice and once in 2012 where she submitted her correct year of birth because it's a legal document
other sources;
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2008/dailyposts/07-04-08.htm Published July 4, 2008, age 23 - trade publication "Domain Name Journal" Publisher-Ron Jackson
http://www.dnjournal.com/columns/rj_bio.htm Ron Jackson Bio - broadcast journalist
http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2011/dailyposts/20111024.htm Ron Jackson family friend to the Grant's
http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/510931 Publication- newspaper adirondack daily enterprise January 28, 2010, age 24
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/lana-del-rey-body-music-video-shoot_n_3528514.html published 07/01/2013 age 28
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2322773/Lana-Del-Rey-admits-struggles-people-dislike-music-strips-shoot.html Published 21:16, 10 May 2013 age 27
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4991466/lana-del-rey-sizzles-in-red-underwear-to-play-stripper-in-video.html By TIM NIXON
Published: 01st July 2013 By Tim Nixon, age 28
http://news.radio.com/2013/08/16/interview-lana-del-rey-on-leaks-immitators-haters-summertime-sadness/ August 16, 2013, "I went back to listening to Joan Baez and Bob Dylan, whose life path really influenced my life path 10 years ago when I was 18".
Deneuve15 ( talk) 10:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Gamaliel,you added this in your edit;
Elizabeth Woolridge Grant (born June 21, 1986) She was born in 1986 not 1985. Please see the talk page and the link here before you change her year of birth. name=plastic/"Lana Del Rey." Gale Biography in Context. Detroit: Gale, 2012. Biography In Context. Web. 15 July 2013."Lana Del Rey." Contemporary Musicians. Vol. 76. Detroit: Gale, 2013. Biography In Context. Web. 15 July 2013
Suggesting to see a link when there is no link? Also Given that the specific part of the article is about Elizabeth Woolridge Grant and not the persona Lana Del Rey shouldn't your links reference Elizabeth Woolridge Grant, they currently suggest the information relates to a persona rather than Elizabeth Woolridge Grant Deneuve15 ( talk) 07:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey is an American singer/songwriter and Vogue cover girl. Born in New York in 1986, her birth name is Elizabeth Woolridge Grant.
Name Lana Del Rey Birthday 21 June 1986 Biography Lana Del Rey, real name Elizabeth Grant, is an American singer/songwriter
Born June 21, 1986 in Lake Placid, NY Aliases Elizabeth Woolridge Grant Lizzy Grant May Jailer
Gamaliel
Δρ.Κ.It has been quoted on many reliable sources that Lana Del Rey is a persona of Elizabeth Woolridge Grant, so accusing me of making up "nonsense about personas" is in fact incorrect. I'm surprised you are editing on a BLP that you seem to know so little about. I have added an extract below taken from Billboard cover story on Lana Del Rey in which her producer David Kahne clearly states she created a persona. This is why the year of birth changed her date of birth is 1985 but in all PR and therefore bio's on Lana Del Rey that were subsequently released her birth date has changed. As David Kahne states in his interview below "I think she wanted to be Lana Del Rey and didn't want to be Lizzy Grant. That was her family name, and she's very dramatic. She wiped [out] this other person. I think she actually thinks that she's that other person"
Obviously trying to find sources to prove Elizabeth Woolridge Grant's year of birth is 1985 has been made difficult as Kahne says "she didn't want traces of that whole person around / She wiped [out] this other person" but it's not impossible. I personally think as there is enough evidence of this and her persona and it hasn't even been included in the - article it should be. It was a huge story at the start of her launching herself as Lana Del Rey. It's also evident that Lana Del Rey herself and her management/team cannot be relied upon to supply facts because Kahne also states in his interview above that Lana Del Rey bought the rights to her fist album which she tried to deny (as she had claimed to being very poor, also part of her persona) but after this interview was released she backtracked in an interview with the BBC and admitted to buying the rights to her album on leaving her first label this was also confirmed in a later interview with the label owner David Nichtern. So there is clearly a problem with attaining facts in the case of Lana Del Rey as she is a persona.
Also my point was that you stated there was a link in your edit it isn't actually a link but a reference to a source I was merely pointing out you should clean up your edit as when you made it you added no link just a reference.
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Gamalieljust to answer your point about the United State copyright agreement "not being evidence that this alleged document means what you say it does" you can cross check anyone's year of birth with that catalogue and they all come up correct with what wikipedia has. The year of birth is normally just included with the first few copyright claims for example search title: Eraserhead / written, produced, and directed by David Lynch - states Lynch, David, 1946- that is his year of birth, in fact of the many I have cross checked only Elizabeth Woolridge Grant's is different to what wiki has Deneuve15 ( talk) 17:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Gamaliel
Δρ.Κ. shouldn't this information be included in the article as information on her BLP, as far as I can see there is no mention of the extent that Elizabeth Woolridge Grant went to to create a new persona.
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Δρ.Κ. Thanks I appreciate what you are saying, the thing is I haven't as you said "concocted a theory about a persona with a separate birth date without a shred of evidence", I have seen the evidence it's very easy to run background checks on people everyone's data is stored and it's very easy to obtain so I have the evidence; in fact if anyone ran a basic public record search on Elizabeth Woolridge Grant NY it turns up the same date of birth on all of them - 21st June 1985 - what I'm obviously having a problem with is providing that evidence in line wikipedia guidelines. So please do me a favour and stop implying that I have no foundation to state my discussion on and have a bit of respect that I wouldn't come and edit on wikipedia without knowing this to be absolutely certain.
I'm happy to open up a separate heading on a 'persona section' and was not 'feigning surprise' it's quite clear the changed date of birth came with the launch of the persona Lana Del Rey, clearly the problem with our 'discussions' is I'm fully aware I am correct as I have the evidence but you believe I'm talking 'nonsense' this would obviously lead to a conflict of interests in a 'discussion' but probably explain my persistence.
I don't believe I'm confused about the issues I believe wikipedia restricts adding access to factual information based on a set of rules and as in most 'institutions with rules' this stifles transparency. I should just be happy with the fact that my 'original research' is backed up by many public records, I just don't seem to be allowed to share that with anyone on this platform.
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Gamaliel ( talk) 21:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Δρ.Κ. You are aware that all the links that have been cited came from one source; Shore Fire Media. Shore Fire Media is Lana Del Rey's PR company who send out their information to all the sources and publications you have cited, that's how PR and media works. So if wiki considers a PR company to be a more reliable source than a record of a legal document with a US government agency, wiki has got a problem. I don't know how the media works in Greece (I doubt it's any different) but in the U.K. the media is corrupt, 70% of the population agree. It would be great if there was a source that separated itself from that but clearly wikipedia can't be relied on to provide factual information, it basically rehashes the garbage that's already out there, which then gets mirrored and spread around the globe and you are contributing to that... 'voluntarily', wow. Deneuve15 ( talk) 12:52, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Δρ.Κ. Merely returning the tactical favour, if you notice at the top of this page there are some guidelines that do apply to you,
Gamaliel and everyone else; be polite, and welcoming to new users, assume good faith and
avoid personal attacks. I'm not into shame but I like the truth and facts and if anyone started a tactic of shame and submission you both need look no further than your own comments above. Isn't there a saying hypocrite, take the gigantic chunk of dirt out of your own eye then you will see clearly to remove the speck of dust in your friends. Suggesting that the 120 editors who watch this page have given you their tactical support is a bad move and only backs up what I was saying.
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Here's the thing, Deneuve15. Your theory that the birthdate is wrong rests on a number of assumptions that we do not share:
This sort of thing may indeed happen all the time in the realms of media and publicity. What does not happen all the time on Wikipedia is this: we do not accuse public figures of being engaged in deliberate campaigns of deception based on our own conjecture or theories. It isn't ethical, it doesn't further truth or accuracy, and it is against Wikipedia policy. The latter is what I think Dr. K was getting at when he mentioned those 120 editors. Not that they have our back in this fight, but that Wikipedia policy reigns here, and you may shame or cajole a few editors here into agreeing with you, but it doesn't matter, because those other ed itors, and thousands more, and the Wikimedia foundation will enforce that policy. If you feel that we have interpreted policy incorrectly, or disagree with the policy itself, then please discuss that matter at a relevant noticeboard like WP:BLPN or WP:RS, but not here.
I admire your passion for truth, but Wikipedia is not the forum for uncovering new truths, new discoveries, new creations or revelations. You should bring your theory to the proper forum, perhaps something like Gawker or Spin, and should they examine your theory, find it accurate, and publish it, we will gladly use that publication as a source for this article. Until then, or until you come up with a reliable source that adheres to Wikipedia policy, I don't think we have anything else to discuss here. Gamaliel ( talk) 19:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Published sources in 2013, as age 28 (please see sources at start of topic) therefore Y.O.B 1985. As far as I'm aware these sources are considered reliable and adhere to Wikipedia policy, more to follow shortly.... Gamaliel I'm still not sure why you dispute a record of a copyright agreement made by Elizabeth Woolridge Grant for her song writing (including a song from her album Born to Die), it is a record of a legal copyright claim, so I will be taking administrator Kww up on his offer once I have collated all sources. Thanks Deneuve15 ( talk) 18:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
She's 28. https://www.dobsearch.com/people-finder/view.php?t=1374605159&searchnum=146878410703 Littlecarmen ( talk) 19:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
She's 28, actually. Here Lirimefaut ( talk) 19:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
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I think Evilentity1 has interpreted your actions correctly and is experiencing the same resistance as I did. There are clearly enough conflicting 'reliable' sources to show that there is an inconsistency in the Y.O.B., clearly showing the year 1986 is uncertain, let alone that public records and legal records confirm 1985 as the correct Y.O.B. Unfortunately Δρ.Κ. removed an edit made by Auric;Year of birth uncertain, which given the amount of 'reliable' sources that are conflicting, seems an inappropriate edit. Luckily there are many editors and administrators on wiki, I think administrator Kww offer of an RFC that will get editors from all over Wikipedia to examine the evidence and come to a conclusion is a good option as Δρ.Κ. and Gamaliel do appear to be strangely resistant to any other view than the one they currently have. If I remember correctly; while specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred (this has been shown) but some secondary sources are conflicting. Large blocks of material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, (again this has been shown) Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, (again this has been shown). This is no longer as Δρ.Κ. and Gamaliel suggested original research (OR) as reliable published sources exist that confirm the primary source. Also Gamaliel I would just like to add that considering you class the BBC etc.. as reliable sources I would have to disagree with that statement, when for example; the BBC footage claimed to be form an IRA propaganda video was in fact from a computer game. When they used fake footage claiming child slavery that was acted out for the BBC to make a story and the Frozen Planet series claiming footage shot in the Arctic that later emerged as polar bear scenes that were filmed in a zoo. I could go on but I could fill many pages with how 'unreliable' your so called 'reliable' media sources are so I'll leave it at that so there is room to discuss the current inconsistency with the Y.O.B. Deneuve15 ( talk) 17:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey in recent interview with radio.com August 16, 2013, "I went back to listening to Joan Baez and Bob Dylan, whose life path really influenced my life path 10 years ago when I was 18".
http://news.radio.com/2013/08/16/interview-lana-del-rey-on-leaks-immitators-haters-summertime-sadness/
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She looks uncharacteristically bad in the first picture. I think it should be replaced, because people won't easily recognize it as her face. Is it even? She looks SO gross in that picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.65.233 ( talk) 05:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I think this photo is rather bad, her face is rather screwed up. There is a lot better photos of her. Also, the photo in the Performances section is rather dated. I think it should be replaced with one from the Paradise Tour Lirimefaut ( talk) 21:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Lana del Rey means "wool of the king" in spanish. I think it's important to add that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.234.231.75 ( talk) 20:54, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
In the 2013 section it says Summertime Sadness peaked at 9 but it peaked last week at 6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.192.165 ( talk) 16:47, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph of the Life and Career section(1986-2010: Early Life and Career beginnings)Lana Del Ray is quoted and it reads "it bridged the gap between God and science. I was interested in God and howtechnology could bring us closer to finding out where we came from and why.". Howtechnology is a typo and should be corrected to read "it bridged the gap between God and science. I was interested in God and how technology could bring us closer to finding out where we came from and why." 122.57.112.40 ( talk) 04:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi everybody, I come from the Spanish Wikipedia, and there the info about her is updated at the same time than this one. But... didn't she said that Trópico will be released at the end of September? We're on October 11, and I still didn't hear anything about it. And... is she finally going to quit? If someone knows something, please tell. -- Ideator 2.0 ( talk) 18:42, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The first paragraph says "Del Rey started writing at the age of 18 and she signed her first recording contract when she was 22 years old with 5 Points Records in 2007". Her birth year is listed as 1986. She would be 20 and 21 in the year 2007, not 22. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.183.79 ( talk) 19:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC) That's because her actual birth year is 1985, however Wikipedia editors are reluctant to list that, even though there are various official sources to support this. 84.30.93.169 ( talk) 16:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Due to the incessant nature of the edits I have had to make to this article, and because of the character limit in the edit description bar, I am explaining my recent edits] to this article here. First, I have removed File:ParadiseTour2013Paris.jpg from the Tropico section and marked it for deletion at the Commons. I believe it is quite clear that the uploader faked ownership of the photo simply to add a recent image of Del Rey to this article. Second, I have moved the File:Lana Del Rey Cannes 2012.jpg to take its place, moving it to the right side of the article, as her gaze faces inward toward the text, which has been unspokenly preferable for articles on Wikipedia. Third, I have omitted File:Lana Del Rey @ Plaza.jpg from the " Influences section" (for the second time) for two reasons: 1). because the image is of Del Rey performing at the Irving Plaza, and another, higher quality image ( File:Lana Del Rey at Irving Plaza.jpg) is already in use at " Musical style and personae" 2). the image is low-quality; Del Rey can barely be seen, the image has been edited to be only black and white. Thus, I have decided to replace it with File:Lana del Rey cropped.jpg, which is a good-quality image that shows her entire face, and her stance faces toward the text of the article, as was my rational for moving the Cannes image as well. This positioning of images helps divert the focus of our readers toward the text, instead of away. Fourth, I have replaced the previous position of the Cannes image with a new image, File:Lana del Rey @ Bowery Ballroom.jpg. Not only does this image show her performing at the Bowery Ballroom (a well-sourced performance that seemed to define a portion of her career). This image has been placed there since the article's creation, it is high-quality, and again, her posture faces the text, increasing readability and enhances the overall visual appeal of the article.
Structurally, I have reverted the article sections back to their previous form, with "Early life" being a sub-header of "Life and career". Not only does this format match the running trend for BLP articles, but other articles nominated as "good" also employ the same standard. Although we are not required to merge the sections, articles such as Lady Gaga use it, and it works very well, especially for such a short section. I have also re-added the word "personae" to the "Musical style" section, as the section contains more information than what would clearly be constituted as "Musical style"; the section contains many reliably-sourced sentences that mention previous names she's given to her act, her public image, and common personae she likes to "play" on stage and in music videos. I am not against the word "personae" being replaced with "public image" or even "image", so long as something is added to specific (and clarify) for optimal reader navigation and simple truthfulness. Removing the {{ clr}} template from the bottom of " Other venues" stems from the fact that it makes the article appear disjointed, and there is no media in the lower sections that would be obstructed by its slight overlapping into them.
Please, before reverting my changes, discuss the edits with me either here or on my talk page. Hopefully, we can reach a consensus that benefit the article and put an end to the edit warring. -- Thevampireashlee ( talk) 10:29, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
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Lideana ( talk) 13:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I have nominated the article Paradise Tour for deletion, I would appreciate it if you could participate in the discussion here. Littlecarmen ( talk) 18:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
You can argue that many news sources cite her as being 27 years old, but that is almost certainly because her age that is listed on this Wikipedia article is wrong. There are many older sources that point towards her birth year being 1985 and not 1986. But the strongest source is this: you can punch her details into the New York Voters Register website (she was raised in Essex, Lake Placid, ZIP code 12946). Her record appears if you enter her birth date as June 21 1985 but not 1986. It's an official document and website so this is the strongest source (other than a long form birth certificate). Lana simply chooses to say that she is one year younger than she actually is. Also, her very first EP 'From The End' was registered in 2005 and her birth year is stated to be 1985. Source: United States Copyright Office Mpwilliams ( talk) 14:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Tropico be in the same section as Born to Die and Paradise? Paradise is an afterthought to Born to Die and Tropico wraps all of that up and includes three songs from Paradise. I think Ultraviolence should have its own section. Littlecarmen ( talk) 21:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Why do all the wiki websites of famous people start by showing us how much money they have made and how successful they are so far? Does the Websters English dictionary preface every word by its rate of occurrence in general speech? Certainly not, since such is basically trivia. I know that I'll lose this argument, so I send it into the oblivion of wikipedia "talk", but an encyclopedia should not be so concerned with popularity as is wiki at current status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.45.195 ( talk) 03:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
The verb "spawned" is used twice in close proximity in the lede to this non-biological article, in neither case with best descriptive value, accuracy of meaning, or reader impact.
In the first case, the simple "included" would allow us to forego a formal piscatorial reproductive reference.
In the second, the sentence:
"With the release of her third EP, Paradise, Del Rey spawned her second top ten album in the United States, debuting at number 10 on the Billboard 200 with 67,000 copies sold in its first week."
might read better (and shorter) as:
"Paradise, Del Rey's third EP, sold 67,000 copies in its first week, debuting at number 10 on the Billboard 200 and giving her a second top-ten album in the U.S."
While these simplifications are less creative, they acknowledge that the creative process of songwriting and album production deserve better imaginative associations than the current allusions supply.
LeProf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.179.245.225 ( talk) 19:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Lana Del Rey's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Guardian":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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Change the picture to an updated one!!!! 98.118.56.191 ( talk) 22:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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23:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)It's terrible. She looks weird. Please change it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.121.72.69 ( talk) 02:11, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm new to the Wikipedia editing committee of sorts for this page and I do have proof that she was indeed born in 1985. It's in the US Copyright Office records, and as it's 3 AM where I am right now I am too lazy to link so you can just search Grant, Elizabeth Woolridge yourself....
Furthermore I want to add that her sister Chuck was born on November 19, 1987. I've obtained proof from local records of houses Chuck has rented out in New York; again I am too lazy to link but Chuck herself has stated on Twitter that her birthday is on November 19. That's all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derpmir ( talk • contribs) 10:03, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I think the infobox picture should be changed from Del Rey at the Echo Awards 2013.jpg this picture to this picture. The latter picture displays the person discussed in the article looking straight-on into the camera with a neutral expression and shows the way Del Rey looks better than the picture that is currently being used. Littlecarmen ( talk) 15:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
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"Lana Del Ray" should be changed to "Lana Del Rey" Sammmiex ( talk) 13:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
This article states, under the artistry section, that "Del Rey possesses an expansive contralto vocal range". It also includes a sound excerpt from 'Million Dollar Man', stating that "this demonstrates Del Rey's contralto range".
I think a general consensus has been reached that Lana Del Rey is a mezzo soprano, especially following the release of further work. Her album 'Ultraviolence' is generally higher and shows more of her upper register. The site 'Diva Devotee' lists Lana Del Rey as a mezzo soprano: http://www.divadevotee.com/2012/01/lana-del-rey-vocal-profile-range-3.html
The quote that follows in the article, saying that Del Rey intentionally lowered her voice to be taken seriously, suggests that this is not the range she is naturally comfortable in and seems in opposition to the statement that she is a contralto.
However, I am aware that the article does not actually say she is a contralto, rather that she has a contralto range. This does not seem accurate either, because her range (reaching to approximately C6) is atypical of a contralto.
I propose that the article is amended to suggest more clearly that she generally sings in a contralto range but her natural tessitura is higher than a typical contralto.
Lilahcub ( talk) 06:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
http://news.mtv.it/gossip/lana-del-rey-con-il-nuovo-fidanzato-italiano-a-portofino-scopri-chi-e-foto/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iltex74 ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
How would we feel about using this picture for the infobox? It was taken less than a week ago, and personally I just think it is a more flattering picture of her than the one currently being used. WikiRedactor ( talk) 16:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, thanks all for this very informative page about a singer/songwriter with whom I've only recently become familiar but who is rapidly winning me over! One niggling criticism: the poem Howl is very famous as is Allen Ginsberg. It's a little like saying, "a song called Help by the Beatles", no? Perhaps upon the next, probably more substantive edit, this might be rectified, too? Please say 'the poem "Howl" by Allen Ginsberg' Sanderatlarge ( talk) 23:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
In the Musical Style part, does the first sentence (the second half of it) really need 7 references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:1500:C90:2148:ECC1:F792:4060 ( talk) 15:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Lana stated in an interview at the Brit Awards in March that she spends alot of time living at her apartment in London. Can a proper source be found for this and added to the article, as it states she only lives in NYC or LA, but from the lady's own mouth that's incorrect.
There should be mention about music produced by different record labels, I think it is and it will be very important. Interscope is a label related to the perverse crap Atlantic Records, so it is Warner and so it is bloody AOL. The other label is Polydor. Nothing really bad to say about this label but I really suggest that there is a simple mention on a separate paragraph about the record labels. I don't want to talk about politics and economy but for sure as a music addict since the Punk Rock era (70-80s) I can say that the "world" will be cut in two so in that way, Mrs. Del Rey is maybe playing (or not...) with that fact. No more comment. Thank you for your consideration and attention! — Hydrocarbonic 22:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
In the new Rolling Stone article, it's written that she is 29 years old (not 28) and is often reported to be a year younger. Is this finally a reputable source that can be used to back up the correct information? See 3rd paragraph in image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs03DStIAAAOV7z.jpg 84.30.93.169 ( talk) 12:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
The interview that's available online that references the cult leader says she 'considered joining' the cult, not that she was part of it. Also since Lana is a character and not Lizzie herself, can we also consider this part of the 'mythology' of Lana (since beyond naming a 'cult' there's no further back up for it, ie. name of cult, leader, people, etc) and make it less of a concrete fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcastathon ( talk • contribs) 23:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
"Ich gehörte mal zu einer Underground-Szene, die von einem Guru beherrscht wurde. Der umgab sich mit jungen Mädchen und hatte eine Wahnsinnsausstrahlung, der auch ich mich nicht entziehen konnte. Ich war also bei dieser, ich nenne es mal Sekte, weil ich mich nach Liebe unde Geborgenheit sehnte. Aber dann stellte ich irgendwann fest, dass dieser Guru kein guter, sondern ein böser Mensch ist. Er fand, dass man Leute erst brechen muss, um sie wieder aufzubauen. Am Ende stieg ich aus."
"I used to belong to this underground scene that was ruled by a guru. He surrounded himself with young girls and had an amazing presence even I couldn’t resist. So I was in this, let me call it a cult, because I longed for love and security. But someday I realised that this guru wasn’t a good, but a bad, person. He felt like you needed to break people down to build them back up. At the end I got out."
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Can the entire page be proof read. Her name is Lana Del Rey and not Ray. It says Lana Del Ray in the known a space too and throughout the document. Jamiehenriques12 ( talk) 20:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
she is 27 years old not 29. the brith date is wrong. it was correct a few days ago so somebody changed it recently.
Under the "Career" heading, subsection "2011–13: Born to Die, Paradise, and Tropico," Paragraph 3, it says "Ride" became available for purchase on September 25, 2013. Shouldn't that be 2012, since that's when the "Paradise" EP was released? Bnewall1 ( talk) 06:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I read:
Elvis Presley: long dead. Frank Sinatra: long dead. Eminem: alive, but a name from the past. Amy Winehouse: dead (though recently so). (Antony and the Johnsons: I've no idea.) What does "contemporary" mean here? -- Hoary ( talk) 14:15, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Big Brother and the Holding Company's 'Cheap Thrills' is not a compilation album, by our common definition of that term. Also, Elvis Presley is inaccurately referred to as a contemporary of Del Rey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.80.156.7 ( talk) 03:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Pretty When You Cry (song) was recently expanded from a redirect, but contains little information. Is this song notable enough for its own article? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I can't seem to find it again, but she had set the record straight in an interview about how she hadn't spoken with her father in years and all of a sudden people were saying he financed and helped her album, which was weird for her and untrue. This is notable and should be included as a real life example of Igby Goes Down/privileged people distancing themselves from their family at one point or another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.108.33 ( talk) 01:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
The quote "...stifle future opportunities..." should be closed with a quote mark before the two citations. The quote actually comes from the 2012 Horowitz article in Billboard, so the 2012 Ayers article in MTV should probably be cited second since it supports the point but doesn't source the quote. Inkwzitv ( talk) 20:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Re: recent genre warring concerning the inclusion of "psychedelic rock" in the genre box. To begin with a reminder, Wikipedia guidelines state that genres included in the infobox should "aim for generality" rather than specificity and clutter. As far as I can see, the designation "psychedelic rock" has received no consensus across multiple sources—literally being listed only by one source [5] in reference to one of her albums—and does not warrant being included in the genre box based on that flimsy designation. Even the intent of that one cited source is far from definitive:
The album [Ultraviolence] feels like a sprawling American desert [...] Certainly the rock ballad suits her retro preoccupation; the lead single “West Coast” evokes the opening riff of The Beatles’ “And I Love Her” and the chord progression from The Stooges’ proto-punk “Dirt.” She seems to have found confidence in psych-rock and narcotized swing. [6]
It seems obvious (to me) that the writer of the piece is stating that psych-rock (and narcotized swing) are styles that Del Rey has amorphously engaged with on Ultraviolence. I don't see any evidence for the statement to be understood as using the term in relation to Del Rey as an artist in total, or to be designating any significant portions of her career output as falling under the heading of psychedelic rock (or narcotized swing, for that matter, for if we are to include psychedelic rock in the infobox based on this statement, surely by this logic we would have to include "narcoticized swing" as well?) Another source, in support of this interpretation, notes "the psych rock influences" on the first song of the album, but nowhere refers to the album as "psychedelic rock." [7] Accordingly, I moved psychedelic rock to the "Musical style" section and listed it as a style that Del Rey has engaged with or touched on in her music, and removed it from the infobox, as it seems to me an utterly disingenuous stretch to interpret that particular statement so loosely.
Simply put, unless any additional cross-source consensus can be found to suggest that Lana Del Rey is a psychedelic rock artist, or that significant portions of her work can be explicitly categorized as psychedelic rock, the genre should not be kept. As always, the burden of proof lies on the editor to justify their interpretation of a source with consensus and due support. In this case, we simply have one source—referring to one particular style (among others) pursued on one particular album— being used to justify a comprehensive genre tag in the infobox. urs145 ( talk) 20:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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From doing a Google search on Lana Del Rey and psychedelic rock it appears that there a number of third party references. What maybe is the issue here is that we perhaps have a 'chameleon' type artist who uses different stylistic elements. Or as this Rolling Stone review outlines: "The fact that nobody has been able to verify which camp she belongs to [...] makes her one of the most compelling performers of our time". Dan Auerbach obviously injected some psychedelic elements into her music, as that RS review Caryn Ganz (now with the NYT) points out. Her latest album has been described as 'almost-psychedelic' in this Papermag review while it is mentioned twice in this Quietus review.
In the end, defining the genre remains a subjective issue. And this case IMHO is quite complex as the artist is genre hopping and carving out a distinct style of her own. From the majority of reviews, I guess we are getting largely dream pop with cinematic elements and an alternative slant, all in a 1960s style. I suppose the psychedelic rock fits in with that?
So, the question really is, do we list the various elements that appear to influence her and which are attributed properly in the style section, or do we stick to three main genres? IMHO this would be a good discussion to have, to avoid continuous reverts and genre warring. Karst ( talk) 09:54, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Resorting to petulant personal criticisms and harsh rhetoric do not help to solidify these rootless propositions.
From this infinitesimal number of respondents (5) in this discussion that you seem to consider a significant sample size, there are two users that have explicitly stated that a multitude of sources support the genres and parallels were drawn between the various genres. These genres were added a year ago with the help of a major contributor after a consensus was reached based upon in-depth research of what experts identify her genres as being. We concluded that overarching, general labels were too restrictive for an artist as multidimensional as Del Rey is and selected the few that popped up most often, baroque pop, dream pop, rock, indie pop, trip hop. Psychedelic rock was added after the release of Ultraviolence as sources began to reflect that she was pursuing this genre (which is an offset of dream pop) increasingly. This was also done to prevent overeager fans from trying to label her as a successful "pop" artist despite the majority of sources saying that she rejects this genre in her actual work. As mentioned earlier, it's important to recognize the distinction between a "popular" artist and the genres that their music embodies. I hope this helps to clear up your concerns. I've also noticed your talk page has quite a few warnings based upon your "disruptive editing" and "violations of Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles,from editing." As I have noticed this as well, further edits of this kind will result in reports and editing bans, so I would rethink your editing patterns. User:ilovetati91 ( talk —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
User:GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 09:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
You're simply continuing to implement personal attacks while projecting your own motives onto me. I'm following the guidelines of Wikipedia by adhering to sources while you're attempting to exert your opinions onto this page, which is apparently a habitual habit of yours and has been addressed extensively on your talk page.
I'm not going to engage you in this argument to allow you to distract from following rules. To answer your question of why "desert rock" has not been added as a genre. The sources explicitly describe the album, Ultraviolence, as being desert rock, but Del Rey is never once called a desert rock artist. "In-depth" research was lent towards the organization of these genres in the past and in subsequent updates, which are easily accessible. "Experts" are the critics established in Wikipedia guidelines as legitimate sources for music genres. Also, when I referenced dream pop as being relational to psychedelic rock, that derived from the genres' actual wikipedia pages and categorization, which are easily accessed. And yes, it is very important to make the distinction between the genre of pop and a "popular" artist. That is clearly the point of the genre section in the infobox. I notice you deeming the genres "inadequate," but the legitimate sources we have blatantly deny that. Again, this is why you must separate your own preferences and opinions towards the artist from what critics have established. I understand the passion of Del Rey fans and wanting her to be seen as a popular artist, which she is, but when clarifying genres, we must go with the specific ones designated by legitimate sources, which have already been collected and organized. Since these points/rules have been exhausted and explained to you multiple times, I hope reiterating them now solidifies your understanding. User:ilovetati91 ( talk) 17:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Having received validation from additional Wiki admins elsewhere on this matter (accessible through my talk page), there's no reason to continue this back and forth. I'm removing the genres which are 1) only cited by one source 2) clearly only used to describe Del Rey on particular releases or 3) used to describe particular parts of her music, and leaving genres which have 1) multiple sources as support and 2) which are clearly used to describe her career output in general terms. GentleCollapse16 ( talk) 04:49, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey DID study metaphysics. But since she never graduated, I'm debating whether she is a philosopher. I'm sure she considers herself to be one, based on her personality and interests. Just wanted your opinions on this. ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Totally agree with your opinion. Thanks! ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:09, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
This image of her has been up for over three years now, while there are a handful of other better, and more recent images of her (specifically ones of her performing). Why exactly is there a notice to consult on the Talk page before changing the photo? At this point, the photo of Del Rey in 2012 promoting her first album would be better placed in the body of the article for context, while a more recent photo would make more sense in the infobox (especially since her physical appearance has slightly shifted). Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 11:30, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I think a photo just showing her entire face properly would do fine 😉☺ Moley87 ( talk) 14:02, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys. Sorry for any wrongful edits I have made - I'm new to Wikipedia. I was wondering if we could please find a photo of Lana from 2015 for her picture? Her look has changed a lot and I know a lot of the Lana Del Rey fandom would prefer a more recent picture. Pleaseeeee consider this! ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys! I realized I had a bunch of pictures taken of Del Rey from the concert in which I went to this year. There is no copyright on them, and they encapsulate her face and aura very well. I'll upload one - if you don't like the pic, feel free to contribute to the talk page. :) ZachDelRey ( talk) 22:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Reverted back to the Cannes picture as the 2015 image is under copyright dispute at Commons. Using is screenshot from a video in the infobox is not desirable, certainly not when more high quality images are available. Also removed it from the gallery above. Karst ( talk) 10:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
Sure. I understand your point. But I really think a newer picture would be a nice touch. I don't know why everyone is fighting me on that point. ZachDelRey ( talk) 21:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys, I have a question. Would we be allowed to use a photo of Del Rey taken by Getty Images, if we gave credit to them? Like what if under the photo, in addition to its description, we put: (Photo by Getty Images). Would that be allowed or no? ZachDelRey ( talk) 15:53, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Lana's voice type should be changed to dugazon, both Diva Devotee and Critic of Music consider her one. 50.101.50.24 ( talk) 20:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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Please add the name "Annie Lloyd of Get Fat BK" as the tattoo artist that did the "trust no one" tattoo on Lana's hand. I am the assistant to the artist. I was present when the tattoo was done. 173.56.76.169 ( talk) 21:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
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I want to change the current profile picture to this:
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I have noticed that there are actually pictures of Del Rey's signature uploaded on the commons. Is there any way we can add one to her page? If you look at Adele's Wikipedia page, her signature is there. ZachDelRey ( talk) 15:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Under the 'career' section and 2014: Ultraviolence sub-section, there is need for a citation on the third line of the paragraph "On February 20, Del Rey posted a picture of herself and Dan Auerbach on Twitter with the caption "Me and Dan Auerbach are excited to present you Ultraviolence".[citation needed] " I have found the post on twitter, it can be seen be this link: https://twitter.com/lanadelrey/status/436561354686595073?lang=en-gb
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I would like to edit this article because I know more facts about Lana Del Rey than the original writer.
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Hello! I uploaded a non-copyrighted polaroid from July, 2016, of Lana Del Rey onto the commons, and I was wondering if her Wikipedia picture could be changed to it?
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04:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Under “2015 Honeymoon” there is little information as to why she created her record Honeymoon. I found an article that would add insight and dialogue from Lana Del Rey as to what place in her life she was at when writing the songs for Honeymoon. The article states that Lana Del Rey said “I guess the first thing that was going on was that I really wanted to have one more record out that was able to speak for me, even if I wasn’t in a place where I felt like speaking for myself” (A Letter from Lana, 2). In the beginning of the second paragraph, after the sentence “In June 2014, she said “I have this idea for this record called Music to Watch Boys To, so I’m just kind of thinking about that and what that would mean”. [130] Del Rey later confirmed in an interview with Billboard that her new record would be entitled Honeymoon. [131],” the quote along with the sentence below should be placed.
“Lana was once asked in an interview what her frame of mind was when she wrote Honeymoon, she answered “I guess the first thing that was going on was that I really wanted to have one more record out that was able to speak for me, even if I wasn’t in a place where I felt like speaking for myself”.
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The lede of the article has her born and raised in NYC, but then the text of the article says that she was raised in Lake Placid, and her origins are listed as Lake Placid as well. Can we straighten this out? 2A02:C7D:CA32:CC00:9F5:E4C4:71C9:888D ( talk) 22:01, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, Lana has sinced faded much. She's no longer top streamed artist on Spotify. Please let's remove that post.
"As of 2015, Del Rey is the most streamed female artist on Spotify in the United States, and the fourth worldwide:
I propose changing the photo to File:Lana Del Rey "Burning Desire" Video 2013.jpg or File:Lana Del Rey at the Echo Awards 2013.jpg. The photo in use at the moment is relatively low quality, outdated, and (in my opinion) looks very amateur. Thanks.
This article has been padded out with trivial information, such as specific dates for release of promotional announcements by closely connected sources, inclusion of information identified as rumours in the sources, etc. Can't some of this be removed, so that the article focuses more on the actual albums, concerts, and other real events, which are mostly sourced to professional reporters and critics?— Anne Delong ( talk) 02:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
it has a nice amount of referencing, its well backed, better than some scientific journal articles, but yes the article needs work it could be much better still, but, its not clear anything is objectively "trivial" when it comes to a Lana Del Rey article... Ooma Huntress-Protectress ( talk) 03:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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Genre art pop [1] 68.194.161.188 ( talk) 20:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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There is lots of confusion re: the relationship between " Coachella – Woodstock in My Mind" and the album Lust for Life. I've redirected the article for now, but feel free to expand this page if/when notability is established. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:01, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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I was wondering if there was any way some research could be done into finding a more recent picture of Lana for her Wikipedia page (that doesn't violate copyrights of course), preferably from 2016 or 2017? 5 years is a pretty long time to keep the same picture for her... If you find any new ones please upload them to the talk page so we can choose one!
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I just wanted to know why the page shows an old picture of lana, I feel like it should be a more current one, perhaps this one which was from this years Lollapalooza in Paris. Just a suggestion, it's a current photo and one where she looks lovely.
Honhonparadise ( talk) 07:15, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I would like to propose that Lana's infobox photo be changed to this: [3], which is a valid file that is more current. The current photo has been the same for a long time and it's from 2012. I don't see why there would be any objections to changing it. AgWoolridge ( talk) 23:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
This is a request to add onto the article. There was a lock and was unable to edit anything. This can be added if it's relevant.
In 2012 Lana Del Rey was the center of controversy when in her music video "Ride" she puts on a Native American headdress while dancing around and shooting guns. She defended wearing this stating that her video was "an ode to the spirit of dance and freedom.". [1]
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shes a producer too so itd like make sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:21F2:FE00:7170:610F:4DF0:C118 ( talk) 19:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Personally, I believe the "encyclopedic tone" tag is more than sufficient to assist in helping the article. I read over the article, and yes, some of the poor sentence structures used in this article make it seem less "encyclopedic", but the article appears to have sourced and objective facts about the singer. Therefore, I removed the "close connection" tag. -- Aleccat 10:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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We should add sadcore [1] as one of her genres. Nicholas S8 ( talk) 20:41, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
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Rather than edit-warring over the names of associated acts in the infobox, why don't we discuss each of the proposed listings with regard to the instructions at Template:Infobox musical artist#associated_acts? Pinging ZachDelRey. Binksternet ( talk) 00:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Sparkle Jumprope Queen. Lana Ray Del Mar LanadelGay ( talk) 06:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
The album was shelved, but enough information is available on it to where it has significance in this section, especially considering it has its own article. Could the addition of Sirens (2006) be added with an additional footnote stating its shelved release. Let me know any thoughts on the matter -- Ottamieh ( talk) 22:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I know, I live under a rock, but would it be too much to ask for an IPA pronounciation to be added to the first sentence of the article? → Σ σ ς. ( Sigma) 21:48, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Isn't this considered trivia, which should be removed? "Del Rey's left hand is tattooed with the letter "M", referencing her grandmother, Madeleine,[79] and the word "paradise". Her right hand is tattooed with the phrase "trust no one". - Melodies1917 ( talk) 15:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
In the Biography section of her IMDB page, it says that she is a dugazon not contralto. A contralto's voice is deeper than those types of singers.
Whilst a dugazon is like a mezzo bordering on soprano specifically the dramatic type. That should be corrected.
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Just created a new article ( List of unreleased songs recorded by Lana Del Rey) and would love help adding new info! The primary source is https://lanadelrey.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_unreleased_songs but obviously BMI and various news outlets have provided the most sufficient info. Please contribute and integrate into the main article on Del Rey. Thanks!-- Ottamieh ( talk) 07:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Melodies1917, it will be when it gets transferred to the fandom.com domain in late February/early March. Several musicians wikis like Katy Perry for sample already moved to that URL in early October. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.163.178 ( talk) 23:22, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
To the IP above any Wiki including Fandom as well as Wikipedia are not reliable sources and should not be used in a article Abote2 ( talk) 18:19, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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<! genre= baroque pop. Stupidpianist ( talk) 22:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Is it really justifiable- right at the top of the article, no less- to state 'the media' considers her 'the queen of indie pop', simply on the basis of one provided source (and, at that, not a particularly high-level one; a Singaporean fashion magazine? It'd maybe be a little different if it were the New York Times, or something!)? I mean, I get this article was probably mainly worked on by people who like her rather than hate her, but still... The total Google search results for this phrase in conjunction with LDR number three; I note one article from a similarly minor source from the two days ago referring to her in the same way; the problem is journalists look at Wikipedia articles as a source, and thus a 'title' like this gains traction. Or was this all a clever tactic by her management? ;) At any rate, 'the media' is a considerable exaggeration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.43 ( talk) 00:28, 15 February 2019 (UTC) And looking at the social media linked at the top of the magazine's website: under 20,000 followers on Facebook; under 20,000 on Instagram; under 6,000 on Twitter; 310 on YouTube. Hardly a major publication by any measure, in this modern age where numbers are what matters. Compared to the nearly 6 million population of Singapore (say 3 million female), this is not particularly impressive, and even less so considering the site is in English and thus accessible to all English-speaking countries. This is simply insufficient as a basis for claiming that 'the media' call her by this name, and, frankly, insufficient to justify its inclusion here (how would one phrase it? "In May 2017, an online Singaporean fashion magazine referred to Lana Del Rey as 'the queen of indie pop', since when two other minor media sources have used the same name"? Ridiculous, no?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.43 ( talk) 00:49, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
so far 3 songs from the upcoming album have been released. i think there is enough coverage to redo the article for the album, even as as a stub. the track list section would be difficult though, because the full list has not been confirmed by Lana (social media) or anywhere like itunes and spotify. im asking here because NFR currently redirects here. thoughts? Melodies1917 ( talk) 17:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
She might release the long player as a gift for her 34 birthday. Most likely when the article gets resurrected from a vanishing nonexistence. It will make sense that her ahem unofficial debut under her birth name of Lizzy Grant began the string of decades known as the 10s. Lastly Adele's fourth will end the decade namely December 27.
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I added a few more typical headings, but this article is super bloated, especially given she's an artist with only 8 years of career. To have a legacy section is just a bit outrageous. I am not NOT a fan, but this page is just in dire need to trimming and clenaup. She's got a new release but even that information is buried under the deluge of nonsense on this page. The volume is in the way of actually conveying information. If she was someone with a 20 or 30 year career it would be one thing, but egads. I mean, 294 citations, and not all of them crucial / the highlights. 1940CStreet ( talk) 22:44, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I've removed some of the occupations that were stated in the introduction and in the infobox. In my opinion this should state as clearly as possible what the person does. I think it's safe to say that everybody would primarily consider Lana del Rey as a singer and a songwriter first and foremost. I really think it would be misleading if her page stated otherwise.This should not be a list of all her abilities, but rather the one in which she invested herself consistently and for which she has gain recognition.
I am well aware that she has directed a lot of her own music videos and that she also has directed some shorts. Yet, I think calling her a director doesn't make much sense. There is a difference between doing and being, and so, yeah, she did act as director on a couple of her shoots, but this is in direct relation to her craft as a singer-songwriter and her brand development. Saying she is a director is an exaggeration in my opinion and I couldn't find in the media anything either praising or critical of her work as a director. It has nothing to do with the level of talent she may holds or not for the medium of cinema. Simply put, at this particular time she doesn't hold the credentials to be recognized as a director and I really don't think, she, herself, would describe herself to be a director
Also, I don't think record producer applies here, for roughly the same reasons. If she were producing for people other than herself, yes. But producinng herself is a natural extension of her occupation as a singer and doesn't constitute a whole different body of work for which she has gained recognition. She a also is not an actress an has never been publicly recognized. All that she did on film is merely a representation of herself or characters very much into the realm of her singer persona. Nor is she a model. Being an egeria for a brand, the face of some products is a different thing than modeling. Having your picture taken doesnt't make you a model. When she re represents a brand, she represents it as the singer Lana del Rey. Finally, I'm aware, she is about to to drop some poetry collections. Since this has not happened yet, calling her poet is prematured. Also, even when that is released, I really don't think she should be described as a poet unless she pursues that path with successives publications and gains recognitions in the literary fields. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrelussier ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Just removed "poet" once more from occupations in the info-box. Don't revert this unless you can provide sources stating she is regarded as a poet in her own right with some sort of consensus, that she is actively pursuing poetry and has published collections of poems (preferably more than one) for which she has gained recogition. Ideally those would be sources from publications that have authority in the field of literature. If you can prove it, submit the sources you have to support that claim on the talk page first, so it can be discussed before a change is made.
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Since this section is so long, a separate page would be the best for all the details. I believe it's best to slowly start removing information to make this sense dense and incorporate it on the page Career of Lana Del Rey.-- Ottamieh ( talk) 04:01, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
On the contrary, I really think the page "Career of Lana Del Rey" should be deleted and whatever relevant information on it that are not already on the main page "Lana Del Rey"XX could be added to it. Having a page about her career is just redundant and it has no distinct purpose than the main page. What is the distinction between the two ? She's on Wikipedia because of her career, that is already what this page is about. Also, there is no limit to the length of pages; this is simply not a thing, as long as the information is relevant. In fact, the page is well organized and nicely presented and if the information is divided in different sections thoughtfully planned, it is a good thing not a bad one to be able to find the core of the information on the same page. Of course, there are some reasons for which it is justified to create satellite pages. Pages focusing on an album or a single or a tour are obviously very useful. Specific pages on discography or videography or list of awards are also totally justified. A page on her career though is really not helpful, in my opinion it even makes thing more complicated and the risk of contradiction between the two pages would be really high. It's best if everybody contribute to the same page in order to create some sort of consensus and with good team work achieve something very polished instead of dividing our efforts. It would be ok to have a second page if she had a career a totally distinct field, if she also was a renown scientist or an elected politician, then a second page on that topic would be ok, but this does not apply here. I don't know what other contributors think, but for my part, I'd argue that the page "Career of Lana Del Rey should be deleted
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Hence why I put the overly detailed tag. Hack this thing down to a half and maybe we’ll get a Good™ article out of it. But frankly put, Lana is not yet on the calibre of artists who need separate pages for different aspects of their life. She’s got a long way to go for that. Trillfendi ( talk) 15:19, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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What should we put as the main infobox genres? Choose from the following genres, listing them in order of preference. Binksternet ( talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Four years ago there was a discussion on this talk page about Del Rey's genres, archived at Talk:Lana_Del_Rey/Archive_1#Genre_warring. No clear consensus emerged, but Baroque pop, dream pop, rock, trip hop and indie pop generally stayed in the infobox for the next three years, despite bouts of genre warring, especially involving sadcore. The guideline for Template:Infobox musical artist#genre says we should "aim for generality" and that two to four genres should be displayed in the infobox, not the five or more that has been so commonly seen here. Of course, all the other genres can and should be described in prose in the article body. The discussion four years ago and the edit summaries from recent genre warring make me think that not enough of us are trying to figure out what genres are most commonly found in the media sources. Let's drop the personal viewpoints and examine the sources to choose four main genres. Remember that song and album genres are not necessarily the genre of the musical artist. We should be looking for media sources that are describing Del Rey the artist or her music in general. Binksternet ( talk) 20:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Is it acceptable that an anonymous user votes pretending to be a registered user? Blueberry72 ( talk) 18:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Does Ms. Del Rey believe that the .org domain should be sold to the highest bidder? EllenCT ( talk) 03:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
I think that this photo (recently uploaded to the Commons) would make a great, newer infobox photo. Thoughts? --
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I agree. I was looking at the same picture on Google Image a minute ago. I think it's a fair depiction of her current image. It is recent enough and under a Creative Commons License. Why not use it? It shows her style evolution, and her looks on this photograph are more consistent with the esthetic she currently puts forth. Of course, before making any substitution, it needs to undergo the vetting process. But I assuredly think people should start expressing themselves on the matter to see if we can get to a consensus.
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I think her boycott of Israel should be included in the "Social Views" section. [21] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weeslifts ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Why is the Filmography section placed before the Discography? LDR is primarily known for her music/studio albums and it is a bit puzzling to see the Filmography listed first. For non-fans, this can be confusing too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SlapdashOrPersnickety ( talk • contribs) 11:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Done -- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 16:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
This is a good edit. It is reasonable to give her defenses against a major controversy. It it fades into obscurity it can be removed. Also feel the same about (other) feminism-related information if it is cited to RS. —DIYeditor ( talk) 17:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Her views on Feminism have already been documented. I also included her support of the me too movement. -- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 17:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I updated the information on her views on feminism to defect those views as of 2020. This should do. As for the controversy, just see how it plays out before adding things. Give it a month or two.-- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 17:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I was clarifying that it was Navajo Nation where she built houses. There are many Native American reservations. As for the mass shootings, again, this was to bring clarity to the issue she was raising awareness of through her philanthropy; this issue of gun violence in the United States as the US is one country. Not to confuse it with gun violence in other places. Most performers every now and again put something on social media that generates controversy and then it dies down. Since the post comparing herself to other artists, that news item has died down. News cycles are short. It’s not like she has been involved in a prolonged controversy lasting months. A two week period is not a long time. As for her video from the protest, she deleted the one showing the looting. She corrected a mistake. Why make it one mistake a topic for a Wikipedia discussion. Now if we were talking about David Duke, yeah you would have to talk about racism with him as he runs the KKK. That is relevant for him. As for Lana Del Rey, she said some things on Instagram, some folks didn’t like it. People moved on. If we are to include all of Lana’s minor Instagram controversies on here, then perhaps all of the minor social media Controversies of everyone else should be on their respective Instagram pages. I can name a handful of musicians who have made many more controversial statements than Lana ever did and even they don’t have controversy sections on their Wikipedia page. Wikipedia needs to be impartial and a social media controversy pales in comparison to someone like Eric Clapton getting up on stage and using racist words like he did decades ago. It pales in comparison to when Michael Richards went up on stage and started shouting the N word repeatedly in front of the audience. Lana Del Rey’s Instagram posts don’t measure up to any of that and therefor don’t need to be included. If she went out there and started using racist words then that would be different, but she has not done that. If her Instagram controversies are still occurring another month or two from now, then maybe it could be included and that is still a big maybe. -- MusicAndArtFan ( talk) 22:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
In the early-2000s, Del Rey worked at a homeless shelter and did humanitarian work, including building houses at Navajo Nation. [1], sourced to a tweet, is more relevant than controversy that was covered in MANY secondary reliable sources. —DIYeditor ( talk) 04:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I re-added the controversy section to the article with more robust sourcing, including a Billboard reference that documents her having been involved in multiple controversies. As the article stands, the controversy section is supported by four reliable sources per
WP:RSP, while the philanthropy section contains zero. Given that the section now meets the requirement to fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources
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WP:DUE, the inclusion of the controversy section is perfectly appropriate.
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cannot be immediately fixed by refinement, which we have disproved per the re-inclusion with more sources. That aside, I restored most of what you wrote sans the Alison Roman comparison and the quote, the latter of which I replaced with quotes from a USA Today analysis. I'd like to hear why you believe both of these bits should still be included. Regarding the
full quote, we can obtain other users' opinions on which of these two proposed inclusions are more appropriate.
The section on "Social Views" currently contains the following statement:
This statement is sourced to an Instagram post (primary source) with the following text concerning feminism:
The use of the double negative ("I'm not not a feminist") and immediately following with a qualifying statement implying that there isn't a "place" for her in feminism is not exactly an unambiguous statement of "identification" as a feminist. The text of the original source is very informal (spelling errors, punctuation errors and loose formatting) and it's not necessarily clear if the use of "not not" is an intentional double negative, a typo of repeating a "not" which was intended to appear once, or a typo of turning what was intended as a "now" into a "not". Without secondary sources to interpret the meaning of this sentence and contextualize it in Del Rey's public history, I don't think it is appropriate to use it in the article the way it is used now. The semantic content is not apparent from the primary source.
The statement that Del Rey "voiced her support for a third wave of feminism" is also (potentially) confusing to the reader and might require further qualification or contextualization than the current text has. The currently-cited source actually does not discuss any "waves" of feminism, but they are discussed in another primary source ( https://www.instagram.com/p/CAghpnsJ8Sm/). The following text is relevant:
Based on this primary source, there are two issues with the text that currently appears in the Wikipedia article. The first is of Del Rey's "support" for a third wave of feminism, which is again not clear from the source material. Del Rey says that a "third wave" of feminism is "inevitable" and that it needs "room for [her] type". Saying that something is inevitable is not equivalent to saying that you support it. The usage of the term "third wave" in reference to something that is "rapidly approaching" (i.e. in the future) is also potentially confusing to readers of the Wikipedia article since the current scholarly and popular consensus is that there have already been a third and fourth wave of feminism. Secondary sources should be added to contextualize and explain how Del Rey's conception of the history of feminism fits with the conception found in other Wikipedia articles.
I therefore propose the following re-writing of the section in the Wikipedia article:
104.13.110.123 ( talk) 16:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Should this section on controversies surrounding Del Rey be included in the article? KyleJoan talk 14:49, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Del Rey has been the subject of multiple controversies. [2] In May 2020, she attracted criticism for an Instagram post in which she defended herself against accusations of glamorizing abuse in part by naming other female artists, mostly women of color, and citing their respective successes with works about "imperfect sexual relationships". [3] [4] Del Rey responded to the criticism by stating that her remarks "were taken out of context" and that the artists she'd listed "were among her favorites". [5] In the same month, she received further criticism after posting a video of looters during the George Floyd protests. [6]
In addition, if you support the inclusion of the controversies section, annotate which of the two wordings detailing Del Rey's response you prefer:
A: Del Rey responded to the criticism by stating that her remarks "were taken out of context" and that the artists she'd listed "were among her favorites".
B: Del Rey responded to the criticism that race was the theme of her post by saying "To be clear because I knowwwwww you love to twist things. I fucking love these singers and know them. That is why I mentioned them," and "when I said people who look like me — I meant the people who don’t look strong or necessarily smart, or like they’re in control etc."
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change "As of 2020, Del Rey has identified herself as a feminist and has voiced her support for a third wave of feminism." to "In May 2020, Del Rey identified herself as a feminist in an Instagram post and voiced her support for a third wave of feminism." YehudaHaNasi ( talk) 17:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
The word poet is regularly added to the infobox or the introduction paragraph. I am aware she will soon be releasing a collection of poems, but even after that, her Wikipedia entry should not present her as a poet. It is not what she is known for and only creates confusion. Unless she actively pursues poetry by putting out successive other publications and gains recognition as a poet in her own right with some consensus in the field of literature, it is inaccurate to describe her as a poet.
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Hello. I read the comment above and I definitely agree with many things you say. I really don't think Del Rey is currently famous as a poet, but it seems weird not to portray her as a poet in her wikipedia.
Let's talk about profession. There are many examples of celebrities who are portrayed as a singer and actress, but in fact she is mostly known as a singer or as an actress. This is normal. It is not just because the person is better known for one profession that it negates the other. I believe from the bottom of my heart that when reading his own Wikipedia, Del Rey would love to see "poet" written.
As I said above, there are many things said that are true. What I don't understand, exactly, is what would change if had a simple word "poet" added on Wikipedia. For example, in Brazilian Wikipedia, we already have Del Rey as a poet.
Besides, will she release a book and will you again prevent her from being classified as a writer? Which again, is strange. She is clearly a poet and will be a writer, has two releases scheduled, I don't understand how it would make people confused when reading "singer, songwriter, writer and poet" in her wikipedia if she really is. (obviously, the word writer should only be added after the book is released).
Anyway, as a fan, I believe that would not change anything by two more words on the page, being consistent with what Del Rey actually does, which is singing, composing and writing poems. I also believe that there are many other people who think like me.
Regardless of all this, if you really maintain the decision not to put Lana Del Rey as a poet, I believe that eventually it will happen. At one time or another she will become a great poet and that will appear on your Wikipedia, it is inevitable.
Finally, forgiveness for my English. I hope you can read and understand what I meant. Misscupcakke ( talk) 17:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
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Please add Stevie Nicks under associated acts. Both have a song “Beautiful People and Beautiful Problems”. 2600:1700:3990:4350:F108:3CF9:FAFF:F9F8 ( talk) 18:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
The spoken word album should be included. Its a spoken word album, but not a studio album. Separate sections. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
It’s still a spoken word album which is recorded in a studio with a producer and engineer. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I believe
The Weeknd should be added to Lana's Associate acts. This seems fairly obvious to me. They are close collaborators and friends. They are regularly seen together. They have collaborated 5 times, on the following tracks:
ASAP Rocky is an artist who similarly meets the criteria. They are also close collaborators and friends, and they have collaborated 3 times. I am unsure as to why The Weeknd does not appear on the list, yet
ASAP Rocky does; they have more collaborations.
N.B. I completely agree with Rocky being on this list, I just believe The Weeknd should be on it as well, and he is arguably more deserving.
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox ( talk) 00:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I made some changes to ensure this page does not look like a gossip column. Who she dates is her personal life and really should not be included in the career section as it is not her personal life. The only way to include that is if you have a section for her personal life. It is only a rumor about her being engaged, one which she has not confirmed directly. Also, how a media source interprets her words is not a controversy pertaining to Lana Del Rey herself, but the media outlet that chose to misinterpret her. That kind of controversy should instead be included on the page for the media source that misquoted her as that is poor and inaccurate reporting on the source in question (Complex), rather than Lana. Bias media reporting especially when it comes from music publications and celebrity gossip sources is not reliable and does not meet proper journalistic standards. Also when it comes to religion she was raised Catholic but that is not the same as being a practicing Catholic. This also pertains to her personal life and no such personal life section exists here. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 14:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
These edits are baseless. Another thing that damages the credibility is the failure to spell her name correctly. But hey, lets allow wikipedia to be a place for radical feminists to smear women they see as a threat. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 20:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Actually this page has looked like a gossip column. The user has a point. I work in the industry as a mixer. Is this page about how the media (which is very bias) responds to her words, or is it about her career? Also, I would caution against bringing in a political agenda. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Notability? Only after one source, that being Complex Magazine took her words out of context. Other sources picked up on Complex's misinformation. Its like playing telephone. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Would you include this content if an artist such as Beyonce made statements like this? Of course not. She is a hard core feminist and suits the agenda of certain people. It looks to me like you just dislike Lana Del Rey and want to bring this into the article to make her look bad so you can harm her career. If every statement that got misquoted by the press got included in the controversy section of every artist's wikipedia page, it would just be an article about controversy. It seems to me that you are interested in engaging in revenge editing because Lana Del Rey's words rubbed you the wrong way. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 21:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Will you two act like adults? Neither one of you is behaving in a civilized manor. While I agree that this page for Lana Del Rey does not look professional and it resembles a tabloid rather than a professionally written article, getting into an edit war is ridiculous. Leave the article alone. Keep the controversy about the Capitol and race out. Race baiting should be avoided on here and the Capitol attack issue and Del Rey's words were taken out of context. But the name calling on here is out of hand and neither one of you have a case for overhauling this article. Lana Del Rey is a musician, the page should be about her work. And that can be done without name calling and edit wars. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Every and I mean every musician gives their opinion when asked. Its simply isn't notable to include it in the controversy section. If we were to do that, this entire page would be all about every controversial statement she has made because anyone who is famous who expresses an opinion gets some people pissed off and the press talks. This isn't like a sexual harassment case when you have substantiated claims. We have free speech in the united states and using that right should not warrant additions to a controversy section every time a public figure opens their mouth. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Wow, all those figures you mention are white. Sounds like reverse discrimination. And those sources you mention are all bias. CNN is very slanted. So is the Washington Post. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 21:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
This is where she stands. Her word stands above that of the media because she was misquoted. Also as someone who works in this industry, the way certain media outlets reported on this constitute libel. Now I don’t think libelous information should stand on here either. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Now to the point of who she dates, that should not be included in her career section. Is there a personal life section? No. Should there be one? Maybe. Is she engaged? Well without Lana Del Rey herself confirming it, no it should not be included.
As for the album cover, she responded to Instagram comments who were commenting on the race. Lana informing people that there are people of color on the cover is not a racist act. Also having a cover of all white people isn’t racist either. So that does feel like a gossip column. It is very dangerous to suggest someone is a racist when they have not engaged in a clear racist act. It’s not like we have seen her walking around in a white sheet burning crosses. Also her Instagram post about other artists have nothing to do with race she didn’t say “black people”. But the media decided to take something which was not about race and make it about race. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Now to the point of who she dates, that should not be included in her career section. Is there a personal life section? No. Should there be one? Maybe. Is she engaged? Well without Lana Del Rey herself confirming it, no it should not be included.
As for the album cover, she responded to Instagram comments who were commenting on the race. Lana informing people that there are people of color on the cover is not a racist act. Also having a cover of all white people isn’t racist either. So that does feel like a gossip column. It is very dangerous to suggest someone is a racist when they have not engaged in a clear racist act. It’s not like we have seen her walking around in a white sheet burning crosses. Also her Instagram post about other artists have nothing to do with race she didn’t say “black people”. But the media decided to take something which was not about race and make it about race. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Also she states clearly she voted for Joe Biden: https://mobile.twitter.com/LanaDelRey/status/1349097587756863490
Trying to paint her any other way is libelous. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 21:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Anyway, back on point, she has criticized Donald Trump before and that is already mentioned. It probably does not need to be mentioned every time she criticizes the traitor-in-chief. I separate section about her politics would be fine, but it does not need to be about controversy. Just state her views on Trump and the fact that she voted for Joe Biden and the fact that she is politically liberal. Not that her politics is anyone’s business. The only new thing about her politics that is new and notable worth mentioning is the fact that she voted for Biden and celebrated his win. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 22:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
@ TheGreatMix Please come to a consensus or compromise on the talk page before adding relevant information, per WP policy.-- Bettydaisies ( talk) 23:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I fixed it in a way which is fair and impartial. This has gone on long enough and I think the way I fixed it works. It’s a fair compromise that doesn’t give the impression of bias. -- TheGreatMix ( talk) 23:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I still don’t think that her dating life should be included in the career section though. -- 108.54.32.185 ( talk) 00:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m a reviewer, and as I was editing this page it was brought to my attention that there was a dispute. Give me time to review this issue and I’ll take a position. Just give me time. -- Alextwa ( talk) 23:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Requesting community-wide feedback after failure to come to consensus after this reversion. Should her comments following the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol and the release of her newest album's artwork, reported in major sources listed in WP:RSPSRC, be included in the "Social views and controversies section?" To what extent? Thank you.-- Bettydaisies ( talk) 01:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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I have reviewed this dispute as well as the evidence and the facts. I have drawn the following conclusions; 1. There seem to be too many vested interests in this dispute, hence the edit war which has taken place here. The edit warring must stop. 2. The Washington Post article which is cited is technically an opinion piece and not an impartial take on the controversy. I listened to the interview with the BBC that Ms Grant did and after looking at news reports, it is clear that her words were indeed taken out of context. This is commonplace within the entertainment industry. Media publications will take words, twist them and then misreport. They will misreport because they want viewers. This is not exclusive to Lana Del Rey. This has been done to other performers and it doesn’t get included in the controversy section on said performer’s Wikipedia page. After her words were taken out of context she put a video up on her Instagram page responding to the media’s coverage. That coverage was indeed bias. She did not say that former President Trump was no responsible. She was offering a take on the former president’s mental state and how that mental state has impacted him and how he as an individual have affected society curtesy of his mental state. Back on the topic of the Washington Post article, the Post also wrongly reported on the Covington Catholic High School student who was at a Right to Life protest where he was confronted by a Native American man. The misreporting led to a lawsuit against the Post and both parties settled. The Post has in the past misreported on these sensitive topics and the situation with Lana Del Rey appears no different. Lana Del Rey did not single out the Post in her Instagram video but instead mentioned Complex Magazine. Now when we look at how things were reported, Complex ran the first article misreporting Ms. Grant’s words. Other publications followed Complex is wrongfully reporting on her words. 3. Ms Grant’s (Lana Del Rey) response to the album cover was a response to false comments Instagram users were making. Those users were falsely claiming that there was no diversity. Ms. Grant confirmed the facts that there are women of color in the photo. In this case she was trying to correct false statements made my Instagram users. Correcting false statements should not be viewed as a “controversy”. 4. Lana Del Rey herself has attracted a lot of scrutiny and is often misquoted and misunderstood by media publications. This is likely to continue. As I mentioned above, media publications twist the words of public figures very often because there is a motive to get viewers and readers. Viewers and readers help these outlets make money. Wikipedia is not for profit. Wikipedia provides a unique free service to the public, which is why Wikipedia needs to be fair and impartial. The way parts of this controversy section are written do not appear to be fair and impartial based upon the facts we know. 5. As I mentioned, whenever Lana Del Rey gives an interview, there is a good chance her words will be misquoted. Whenever that happens, do we add to the controversy section? If so, the majority of this page will be about Lana Del Rey related controversies. This can get out of hand and redundant very easily. In conclusion, that section should basically simply point out to the fact that she stated that former President Trump is a narcissist who suffers from sociopathy. There is no need to mention it in the context of the Capitol terror attack because in the BBC interview she was talking about the former president in general terms. The Capitol attack was a current event when she did the interview. The part about her response to the album cover should not be included because all she was saying was a response to false statements about the diversity of those in the photo on the album cover. As for the face mask comment, she stated that the face mask had a protective layer. This is another case of misreporting on her actions. If the mask had a protective layer then it offered protection then it is inaccurate to say it offered no protection. I also would like to add that it is questionable to imply racial bias on Ms Grant’s part. There is no evidence of her treating non-whites in an inferior fashion compared to whites. One could argue that it is irresponsible to suggest racial bias when race was not the intention. Now there appears to have been a dispute over including content about who Ms Grant has dated. Now this article has no “Personal life” section. That kind of content should be included in a personal life section and this article perhaps could have a section like that similar to other performers. However, Ms Grant does not seem to be too public with her private life, so a personal life section might not work. Anyway, this is my take. I strongly advocate to changing the controversy section so that it is not influenced by news reports which have taken the performer’s words out of context. As time goes by, a section like this controversy section can get way too long and out of hand. -- Alextwa ( talk) 01:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I fixed it up. All I ask now is for users to refrain from edit-warring. -- Alextwa ( talk) 20:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm able to do this as a reviewer. All I ask is for all parties to refrain from edit warring. I have seen too many vested interests on both sides of this debate and it needs to end. Hopefully this change keeps the peace. If not then locking the page could be an option. -- Alextwa ( talk) 20:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
It is very much worth letting go of this dispute. Putting text in boldface just escalates an already bad situation. Not letting this go will only lead to more disputes and more tempers flaring. As I have mentioned this is not in anyone’s interest. But I must pose this rhetorical question; how does re-working the section hurt those involved in this dispute. Does it alter one’s life? Of course not. There are times to let things go and this is one of them. No one wants to be issued a warning over edit-warring. It won’t fix anything. There is nothing to take personally especially when the objective is to be impartial. After looking at the arguments here on both side I see vested interests all over the place. My edit will keep the page fair and balanced and free from vested interests. I’m looking at the edit history on this page and this has gone on for too long. It is in everyone’s interest to move on and keep the peace. -- Alextwa ( talk) 21:11, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I could respond and ask another rhetorical question; what gives you the right to engage in an edit war with other users? I can see other users changed things and you reverted edits. I can also see that you had initially misspelled Ms. Grant’s stage name (Lana Del Rey) wrong. It looks to me like perhaps on the spur of the moment that you decided to change things because maybe Ms. Grant’s words upset you. If this is the case and it was then followed by an edit war, then that is unfortunate. I could also ask why you didn’t propose making changes to the page by discussing your proposal in the talk section first before going all in. Looking at the time stamps, you edited the controversy section first, then other users reverted your edits. Then one of the other users rightfully brought the dispute into the talk page despite not resorting to diplomacy. Then another user without an account got in on the edit war and the discussion on here. None of this was handled properly. After reviewing this, I feel that the way I fixed this is a fair compromise and I simply ask for the edit to be respected and to let it stand. In fact, I added content which makes the section clearer and perhaps easier to navigate. This is simply a good time to move forward and not take things personal. There has been too much of that going on and it needs to stop. There are much bigger problems in the world than this article. I just ask for everyone to keep the peace. -- Alextwa ( talk) 21:25, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m a reviewer and having reviewed everything, this is a fair solution I have edited into the article. Now when I look at your user page, you identify yourself as a feminist and interested in Black Lives Matter and civil rights issues. Nothing wrong with that. But then for you to edit a page on a musician who has not identified with the ideology that you have to me suggests that you might not be in the best position to offer a non-bias take. What is clear to me is that self-identified feminists don’t like Lana Del Rey. However she is free to identify how she wants. So I have to ask, what is your personal opinion of her? Do you like her as a person? As a musician? Do you believe her to be a racist? Or opposed to women’s rights? If this were jury duty and a bus driver was being sued, a juror who drives a bus probably won’t be able to be impartial. I don’t see any of you in this dispute as being impartial. And this is the problem I see and this is why I fixed it the way I did. I see way too many conflicts here and this is why I say move on and why I ask to keep the peace. -- Alextwa ( talk) 21:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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Francessco Carozini Or whatever should have a link to his wiki page :) 47.55.121.244 ( talk) 00:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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Elizabeth Woolridge Grant, known professionally as Lana Del Rey also known as “The Queen of Alternative”, is an American singer-songwriter.
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" Del Rey collaborated with Ariana Grande and Miley Cyrus on "Don't Call Me Angel" for the action comedy Charlie's Angels (2019), which peaked at number 13 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100, becoming her highest charting song." --> Isn't Summertime Sadness her highest charting song? — Preceding
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change "glamor" to "glamour" Dadenney ( talk) 22:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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On the main Lana del Rey Wikipedia page it is mentioned that her highest charting song on the Billboard Hot 100 is the Charlie's Angels collaboration with Ariana Grande and Miley Cyrus "Don't Call Me Angel", which is not true. Her highest charting song on that chart is "Summertime Sadness", remixed by Cedric Gervais. She IS mentioned as an artist and therefore that is her highest charting song, as can be seen on the OFFICIAL Billboard website. https://www.billboard.com/artist/lana-del-rey/chart-history/hsi/ Hope you can make this change because what is said is simply wrong. Andrea Dujo ( talk) 07:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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i hope to change the picture to a prettier one Kempbest ( talk) 15:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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Accountbyseda ( talk) 15:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC) changing the date of birth to correct one - from june 22 to june 21
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In the case « other name » we can read « lana del RAY » instead of Lana del Rey so if you can change that it would be great
Hello. I noticed many amazing artists that Lana influenced are missing from the IMPACT page. I’d suggest someone adds Charli XCX, The Weeknd, Sky Ferreira, Lorde, Wolf Alice, Bleachers, Best Coast, CHVRCHES, Halsey, Troye Sivan, Melanie Martinez, Kali Uchis, Taylor Swift, Marina & The Diamonds, BØRNS, The Neighborhood, Arctic Monkeys, Tove Lo, SZA, Weyes Blood and Zella Day. Ldr199822 ( talk) 18:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
She wore a fake native headdress and refuses to apologize for it or recognize it as wrong saying it means what she wants it to mean, all after helping a native community 67.171.220.20 ( talk) 23:59, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
what does this have to do with the wikipedia article? Notsammyray ( talk) 22:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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In one place in the article, it states that Del Rey has a brother named Charlie. But later the article states she has a sister named Chuck. I ran across this reference to her sister Chuck in another article and came here hoping this article would have an answer on which it was but it doesn't. So does Del Rey have a trans sibling? My only concern is consistency. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 03:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
Adding a sourced umbrella genre term " alt-pop" that's become prevalent in recent years for artists like Lana, Lorde, Billie Eilish etc who blend left-of-center pop with alternative, hip-hop, and electronic elements—4 sources supporting, including two from Billboard, would seem sufficient to justify it as a broad label included in the box. Kkollaps ( talk) 16:09, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Noticed that there's a slight typo in the title of the new album. It should be "Did you know that there's a tunnel under Ocean Blvd", not "Did You Know There Is A Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd?" Mwb1291 ( talk) 16:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to merge Did You Know That There's a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd to the relevant section of this article, per my reverted edit. There is simply not enough information on the album to justify a separate article currently, and the paragraph of information there can be used to fill out the currently sparse section on this page. @ Ss112 U-Mos ( talk) 17:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Lana's appearance and style have changed since her performance at the Grammy Museum in 2019, and I think a new picture would more accurately represent her. Something from her appearance at Billboard Women in Music 2023 would work great, as they're mostly licensed red carpet photos in which she is staring straight forward. Anastasius4441 ( talk) 05:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
"When recording in the studio, Del Rey is known for vocal multi-layering, which, as it has been noted, is difficult for her to replicate within a live setting, especially with the lack of backing singers to fill out the original vocal style." seems to be at odds with the reality of playback and the more recent (ie, past 2012) reviews of Lana's shows, ignoring also that Lana has employed backup singers in her most recent live (televised) performances. Long story short - playback is both easy to use in live performances and used in Lana's live performances, so this note seems outdated.
Additionally, the section seems outdated considering the amount of releases and commentary on her vocal style in those releases since Honeymoon (2015), as well as the amount of tours and festivals (and commentary on her vocals in these performances) since this time. 66.235.168.192 ( talk) 05:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
In June of 2023, Lana's father Rob Grant will be releasing his debut album 'Lost At Sea.' Lana Del Rey will be featured on two songs on the album. Timothy Spear ( talk) 22:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Lana Del Rey has never produced other artists, and her music is always produced by others such as David Kahne, Emile Haynie and Jack Antonoff. She does not merit the occupation of producer. Rather, she is actively involved with her own musical output, the same as any strong-willed musical artist.
She has never won an award for producing, unlike Mariah Carey who has a producing Grammy.
Lana Del Rey is not described by the media as a producer. They don't write "Lana Del Rey the producer" or "producer Lana Del Rey". Binksternet ( talk) 14:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
"the same as any strong-willed musical artist." is objectively incorrect. Most pop artists are /not/ involved in the production of their music, which is an actual skill that earns credits with actual (and legal) significance. Notably, Lana did not begin receiving production credits for her work until after the album that introduced her to the mainstream (Born to Die).
Lana Del Rey has never won a Grammy period, unlike Mariah Carey. Does this make her also not a singer or songwriter? The vast majority of Lana's songwriting credits are for her own work, does this not make her a songwriter?
For what it's worth, almost every music review of Lana's work (especially post NFR!) comments about her influence on the production of her music, usually to contrast it to other albums Jack Antonoff has produced. All that to say "Producer" is a term with real meaning, one which Lana has qualified for her with her production work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LDRnfr ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
"Chemtrails over the Country Club is described as a folk, country folk, and Americana record."
"Musically, Blue Banisters has been described as a folk, pop, jazz, and Americana record."
"Did You Know That There's a Tunnel Under Ocean Blvd is a sixteen-track set, described as a "psychedelic Americana", alternative pop and trip hop album,..."
I think since her last 3 albums have had an Americana theme, it'd be a good idea to add Americana under her genres, also because she is listed under "Notable Americana musicians" on the Americana (music) page. Joejazzy ( talk) 14:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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She had a hidden relationship that lasted 1 year with a romanian boy named Andrei Dragan. This was very well hidden by the two of them hence it was better to keep it away from the media. She has made 2 songs directed to him. Drewinthis ( talk) 11:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I have been thinking about this for a couple years. I think it might be a good time to change the profile picture for Lana? It is a good picture, although the lighting always bothered me as it sort of obscures the color of her eyes. Can someone tell me or send me link to Wikipedia’s guidelines or preferences when it comes to images. The one used is nearly 4 years old as well, so I wonder if it’s preferable to have a more updated image to what she looks like now. Magnumb22 ( talk) 07:54, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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Lanadelreylover124 ( talk) 20:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Why isn’t poet added to the occupations list since she has one poetry book published? 181.199.63.85 ( talk) 02:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
as of 11:40p ET on July 30, 2023 this page indicates that Lana Del Rey died today. she did not. 2600:1009:B00B:C354:0:14:4FD1:AD01 ( talk) 03:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
User Celebritynewsupsaterretro is making false edits and spreading fake news and hoaxs. Lana Del Rey is alive and well. Her supposed death in a couple of days ago was a hoax.
Can someone reverse the edits of this user of 31 July? Remzicavdar ( talk) 03:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently created a draft for Lana Del Rey on Saturday Night Live. Any help with expansion would be appreciated. Thriley ( talk) 02:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
Lana del rey is mother 2A02:C7C:382E:6B00:F486:D5CE:9DD0:4576 ( talk) 19:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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"Lana Del Rey is an active supporter of Israel. This can be seen through the letter she signed, "A letter to Biden" posted on the 23rd of October 2023 on the website NoHostageLeftBehind. Her and numerous public figures such as Gal Gadot and Amy Schumer, both associated with zionism, racism and bigotry have commended President Joe Biden for his “unshakable moral conviction” and his unchanging stance on supporting and funding Israel. The US has given Israel more military assistance than any other country since World War II, providing aid worth more than $124billion. A consequence of this, as of the 8th of December,The Ministry of Health in Gaza has said that 17,177 people – including 7,112 children – have been killed and 46,000 wounded since the Israeli-Palestinian conflict started on October 7. This is what Lizzy Grant stands with. Biitchpleasegivemeafry ( talk) 18:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Line 1 in the article states she's a British singer and songwriter. She's an American singer and songwriter. This was changed on 11 January 2024 for some reason. Redsheep94 ( talk) 20:37, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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I believe it is finally time that we add the "Americana" genre to Del Rey's genre list. Her music has notably referenced Americana and has dived into the genre with the releases of her later works. With the release of her 10th studio album, Lasso, a country album, it is finally a just time to add Americana to her genre list. 24.102.147.15 ( talk) 21:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)