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Those sedorim times are incorrect. Talk about the yeshivas acceptance policy (twice a year)and rename the article.
Shouldn't the article be under "Beth Medrash Govoha" since that is the actual name of the yeshiva? Not the popular name - "Lakewood Yeshiva"
There is no "one best way" to name any yeshiva on Wikipedia. There is an unresolved debate on Wikipedia about how to name yeshivas, see the long discussions still underway about this issue at Talk:Telshe yeshiva#Best name for the institution and this article. Thanks. IZAK 08:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
The following makes no sense:
And the following is a very insignificant fact:
I think they should be removed (I tried to yesterday but my change was reverted).
While I might agree that the hot water faucets is an insignificant fact (I don't realy agree since if/when you see it you can't but wonder about it), I do disagree about the faucets that don't require ones hand to activate them, as it is very noticable when you have a washing room with more than 20 faucets and none of those allow you to use your hands to operate them. --
Shmaltz
00:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Lakewood yeshiva - or Beth Medrash Govoha?
By a 5-4 squeak, we have decided to move the article to Beth Medrash Govoha, which shall be done forthwith. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 03:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this detailed article should be classified as a stub. Remove stub template?-- Jms2000 17:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Enough of this, Shmaltz. Ad kan with the OR. - crz crztalk 19:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
==
Tumult means "The noise as made by a crowd." or "A riot or uprising.". Though I can believe that the discussions are noisy, I assume the day is not named after the noise generated therein, but by the tumel created by tumelers. And due to the lack of mention of riots in the article, I'll also assume that that sense of tumult is not meant either.
In short, I think that the day is probably known as "Tumel day" - using the Yiddish word, not "Tumult day". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.168.67.112 ( talk) 18:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
Both tumul and tumult are correct forms of Yiddish. Tumul is a verb, as in "er macht a tumul" ("he is 'noisy/yelling'") and tumult is a noun, as in "genug mit dem tumult" ("enough with the 'noise'"). But sometimes they are used loosely and interchangeably, as in some of the examples above that are confusing people here. The English word "tumult" could have been taken from the Yiddish or is just a shortened version of "tumultuous" as one finds many words that English may share with other languages. At any rate, the yeshiva bochurim at Lakewood are not Yiddish professors and they apparently do refer to that day as "tumult day" so let's leave it at that and not make a mountain out of a molehill, or a tumult out of a tumul. IZAK 09:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but I disagree,
I've seen a reference somewhere on the web that BMG is the "successor" to a yeshiva in Slutsk (today in Belarus). Knowing graduates from BMG, I've never heard that before. But then I see BMG issued a Hagadah around 2001 called Hagadah shel Pesach - Slutsk-Kletsk-Laikvud. So did BMG have some kind of connection to a yeshivah in Slutsk? Even if not, it would be nice to know a bit more history. kosboot 20:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
You made this change here with the comment: becouse the main thing of this is a yeshiva not a kolel what do you mean by that? How does a Kollel get defined vs a Yeshivah? Furthermore, is BMG a kollel or not?-- Shmaltz 15:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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Please note the following two lines and decide which one it is.
"Tumult day" is a distinct feature of Beth Medrash Gevoha. It is at this time that chavrusos
....
that students are required to arrange entry into a particular "chaburah", or study group. This intense and highly competitive method is not unique to Beth Medrash Gevoha; it is also common in other large "yeshivos" such as Mir and Brisk yeshivos in Israel.
Joe407 ( talk) 18:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Last I checked chaburas exist elsewhere. But if you are telling me that Lakewood chaburas are special, creating this effect, than we can remove the closing sentence of the paragraph. Joe407 ( talk) 05:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Update. After half a year, I've blanked this section because it was original research, unsourced, and most of all in no way notable. Almost all yeshivos have chavrusos and chaburos. If you would like to restore this section please explain why beforehand. Joe407 ( talk) 13:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
"Tumult day the way it's in Lakewood is unique to lakewood." Ideally, there should be some type of source or verification. At the very least you need to clearly explain/demonstrate the difference. Just to say "It is unique" is insufficient. Joe407 ( talk) 04:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The grammatically-correct transliteration of the Hebrew גָּבוֹהַּ is GOVOAH. NOT GOVOHA. (Just like נֹחַ is Noach, not Nocha!) -- -- -- 05:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
But while we're on the subject of Hebrew grammar, the correct Hebrew word for study group is 'chavurah', not 'chaburah' as it is called many times in the article. The latter term ("chaburah") means injury or wound. This is not really a criticism of the article or its author, per se, since it can be argued that s/he is only duplicating the very prevalent de facto yeshivah usage. Well, the yeshivah world tends to be rather ignorant of and oblivious to Hebrew grammar, in general, and here you have just one more telling example. But in this case, the error almost borders on the absurd -- as if the members of the group engage in some kind of mutual (or self-) flagellation. Toddcs ( talk) 20:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Mmmm... seems unlikely. Could you cite a source for that, or an example from a recognized (pointed) Aram[a]ic text, please? Toddcs ( talk) 22:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Shmaltz, the nekudah in the Heh is there in order to show that the Heh is pronounced as a consonant, (yes, consonant), and is only found in places where the consonantal Heh is at the end of the word. Ches does not need the nekudah because Ches is always a consonant. For more info., please see: Mappiq. -- -- -- 20:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Do we want to accept http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=851 as a WP:RS? Joe407 ( talk) 15:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
The Freezer is not only, as suggested in the article, to remove distractions of dating from new students. It is also to help make sure that the dating scene isn't the primary reason for students to enroll there.
Also, the dating a girl older than you exemption needs a better source. I have not heard of this exemption from students at the yeshiva. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 ( talk) 14:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The article needs a better source for the founding date and size of BMG than the Rahim article about tensions. There must be some source actually describing the yeshiva.
Worse, the numbers in the article may be pretty inaccurate. The Lakewood township projects 2008 enrollment at 5000 http://twp.lakewood.nj.us/educ.htm#bmedgov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 ( talk) 14:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The article states that the campus consists of four buildings. Several buildings have been added - the Conservative Congregation Ahavat Shalom building is now the Kleinman Campus, the Reform Temple Beth Am Shalom is in processo of being converted into another BMG study hall. And there is new construction next to the current Beth Shalom building. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 ( talk) 16:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
When I was taking pictures today of Beth Medrash Govoha, I was questioned by some folks apparently associated with said institution and was asked why I was taking pictures. I would like to understand their point of view. Why don't they want people taking pictures of their yeshiva? — Rickyrab | Talk 00:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised this information is not in the article. Danthecan ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC).
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I personally know what this means, but I have to assume that the average reader does not. Unless a more appropriate term can be found, the section Beth Medrash Govoha#Alumni Program should be removed. Puzzledvegetable ( talk) 15:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
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Those sedorim times are incorrect. Talk about the yeshivas acceptance policy (twice a year)and rename the article.
Shouldn't the article be under "Beth Medrash Govoha" since that is the actual name of the yeshiva? Not the popular name - "Lakewood Yeshiva"
There is no "one best way" to name any yeshiva on Wikipedia. There is an unresolved debate on Wikipedia about how to name yeshivas, see the long discussions still underway about this issue at Talk:Telshe yeshiva#Best name for the institution and this article. Thanks. IZAK 08:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
The following makes no sense:
And the following is a very insignificant fact:
I think they should be removed (I tried to yesterday but my change was reverted).
While I might agree that the hot water faucets is an insignificant fact (I don't realy agree since if/when you see it you can't but wonder about it), I do disagree about the faucets that don't require ones hand to activate them, as it is very noticable when you have a washing room with more than 20 faucets and none of those allow you to use your hands to operate them. --
Shmaltz
00:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Lakewood yeshiva - or Beth Medrash Govoha?
By a 5-4 squeak, we have decided to move the article to Beth Medrash Govoha, which shall be done forthwith. - CrazyRussian talk/ email 03:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this detailed article should be classified as a stub. Remove stub template?-- Jms2000 17:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Enough of this, Shmaltz. Ad kan with the OR. - crz crztalk 19:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
==
Tumult means "The noise as made by a crowd." or "A riot or uprising.". Though I can believe that the discussions are noisy, I assume the day is not named after the noise generated therein, but by the tumel created by tumelers. And due to the lack of mention of riots in the article, I'll also assume that that sense of tumult is not meant either.
In short, I think that the day is probably known as "Tumel day" - using the Yiddish word, not "Tumult day". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.168.67.112 ( talk) 18:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
Both tumul and tumult are correct forms of Yiddish. Tumul is a verb, as in "er macht a tumul" ("he is 'noisy/yelling'") and tumult is a noun, as in "genug mit dem tumult" ("enough with the 'noise'"). But sometimes they are used loosely and interchangeably, as in some of the examples above that are confusing people here. The English word "tumult" could have been taken from the Yiddish or is just a shortened version of "tumultuous" as one finds many words that English may share with other languages. At any rate, the yeshiva bochurim at Lakewood are not Yiddish professors and they apparently do refer to that day as "tumult day" so let's leave it at that and not make a mountain out of a molehill, or a tumult out of a tumul. IZAK 09:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry but I disagree,
I've seen a reference somewhere on the web that BMG is the "successor" to a yeshiva in Slutsk (today in Belarus). Knowing graduates from BMG, I've never heard that before. But then I see BMG issued a Hagadah around 2001 called Hagadah shel Pesach - Slutsk-Kletsk-Laikvud. So did BMG have some kind of connection to a yeshivah in Slutsk? Even if not, it would be nice to know a bit more history. kosboot 20:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
You made this change here with the comment: becouse the main thing of this is a yeshiva not a kolel what do you mean by that? How does a Kollel get defined vs a Yeshivah? Furthermore, is BMG a kollel or not?-- Shmaltz 15:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Due to a legal complaint to the m:OTRS (Wikimedia Support Desk), I have selectively deleted certain revisions to the article that contain potentially sensitive material. Please do not restore these deleted revisions without first contacting me for an explanation of the situation. ⇒ SWATJester Son of the Defender 16:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Please note the following two lines and decide which one it is.
"Tumult day" is a distinct feature of Beth Medrash Gevoha. It is at this time that chavrusos
....
that students are required to arrange entry into a particular "chaburah", or study group. This intense and highly competitive method is not unique to Beth Medrash Gevoha; it is also common in other large "yeshivos" such as Mir and Brisk yeshivos in Israel.
Joe407 ( talk) 18:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Last I checked chaburas exist elsewhere. But if you are telling me that Lakewood chaburas are special, creating this effect, than we can remove the closing sentence of the paragraph. Joe407 ( talk) 05:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Update. After half a year, I've blanked this section because it was original research, unsourced, and most of all in no way notable. Almost all yeshivos have chavrusos and chaburos. If you would like to restore this section please explain why beforehand. Joe407 ( talk) 13:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
"Tumult day the way it's in Lakewood is unique to lakewood." Ideally, there should be some type of source or verification. At the very least you need to clearly explain/demonstrate the difference. Just to say "It is unique" is insufficient. Joe407 ( talk) 04:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The grammatically-correct transliteration of the Hebrew גָּבוֹהַּ is GOVOAH. NOT GOVOHA. (Just like נֹחַ is Noach, not Nocha!) -- -- -- 05:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
But while we're on the subject of Hebrew grammar, the correct Hebrew word for study group is 'chavurah', not 'chaburah' as it is called many times in the article. The latter term ("chaburah") means injury or wound. This is not really a criticism of the article or its author, per se, since it can be argued that s/he is only duplicating the very prevalent de facto yeshivah usage. Well, the yeshivah world tends to be rather ignorant of and oblivious to Hebrew grammar, in general, and here you have just one more telling example. But in this case, the error almost borders on the absurd -- as if the members of the group engage in some kind of mutual (or self-) flagellation. Toddcs ( talk) 20:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Mmmm... seems unlikely. Could you cite a source for that, or an example from a recognized (pointed) Aram[a]ic text, please? Toddcs ( talk) 22:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Shmaltz, the nekudah in the Heh is there in order to show that the Heh is pronounced as a consonant, (yes, consonant), and is only found in places where the consonantal Heh is at the end of the word. Ches does not need the nekudah because Ches is always a consonant. For more info., please see: Mappiq. -- -- -- 20:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Do we want to accept http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=851 as a WP:RS? Joe407 ( talk) 15:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
The Freezer is not only, as suggested in the article, to remove distractions of dating from new students. It is also to help make sure that the dating scene isn't the primary reason for students to enroll there.
Also, the dating a girl older than you exemption needs a better source. I have not heard of this exemption from students at the yeshiva. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 ( talk) 14:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The article needs a better source for the founding date and size of BMG than the Rahim article about tensions. There must be some source actually describing the yeshiva.
Worse, the numbers in the article may be pretty inaccurate. The Lakewood township projects 2008 enrollment at 5000 http://twp.lakewood.nj.us/educ.htm#bmedgov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 ( talk) 14:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
The article states that the campus consists of four buildings. Several buildings have been added - the Conservative Congregation Ahavat Shalom building is now the Kleinman Campus, the Reform Temple Beth Am Shalom is in processo of being converted into another BMG study hall. And there is new construction next to the current Beth Shalom building. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 ( talk) 16:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
When I was taking pictures today of Beth Medrash Govoha, I was questioned by some folks apparently associated with said institution and was asked why I was taking pictures. I would like to understand their point of view. Why don't they want people taking pictures of their yeshiva? — Rickyrab | Talk 00:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised this information is not in the article. Danthecan ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC).
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I personally know what this means, but I have to assume that the average reader does not. Unless a more appropriate term can be found, the section Beth Medrash Govoha#Alumni Program should be removed. Puzzledvegetable ( talk) 15:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)