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Latin transcription is
Iustitita
I wonder if it is correct. Since English version is:
Justitia
Could someone competent check, please? Stan 15:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
"...the fact that blindfolds were commonly worn by the blind to cover their eyes..." This isn't why Justitia is blindfolded. Think of the theme of blindfolded Cupid. The blindfold simply shows that Justice is blind. Iconography, not daily life. -- Wetman 18:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
A Yale Law School website purports that the earliest depiction of the blindfold was actually shown in Sebastian Brant's Ship of Fools in the 1497 Basel edition in the image titled “The Fool Blindfolding Justice”. This depiction seems to be interpreted as a warning against blindly meting out justice. [1] Anthraxmilkshake ( talk) 03:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
to find that my photo of Lady Justice had been removed. It was to be the begining of a gallery of Her as depicted in American art. However since you are one of the keepers of the page i certainly shall respect your move. Break a leg. Carptrash 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, looks like we're here again. Not to knock, but could we chill a bit with the gallery? I only created it to display the three sculpture images we already had. Those were and are great representations of Justice. These latest additions, however, aren't. We're getting into an excessive, unnecessary area that's led to many wholesale gallery removals. While I think we can make good fair use rationales for the three body sculptures, the thinly blindfeld head, group and slab are all more frivalous than we, as an encyclopedia, need. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Since we are not going to use "pretty pictures" perhaps you fellows can use some of your pretty words to explain to and help those who are NOT People of the Book understand what the phrase Justice prepared to cut the baby in half is all about?
Meanwhile I'm re-shelving the books i had out to get my version of Lady Justice out there. Out here. Whatever.
Carptrash 22:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
However, this also leads to an interpretation held by some that Justice wears this blindfold to shield herself from atrocities committed in her name.
However, in the United Kingdom, Lady Justice is never shown with a blindfold as "Justice must be seen to be done". was recently added and then removed from the article. Here is a collage of pictures of British sculpture from the 19th and early 20th Century that help ( opinion) resolve the issue. Carptrash 00:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the book or the snake that she's usually standing on? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.121.39 ( talk) 21:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Some mention should be made of the Spirit of Justice in the US Justice department, which differs in design from the Justices discussed here. 2fort5r ( talk) 01:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I have never heard of this interpretation. Are there any sources that back up this claim? Arzel ( talk) 00:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The following material was recently added:
One explanation for why she is blindfolded more in line with the goddess tradition is that Lady Justice is an intuitive empath. The sword in one hand symbolizes the power of the law, while she uses the scales in her other hand to "feel" the truth and deliberate justice. In this tradition, she is blindfolded to make certain she does not read "the letter of the law," for law without feeling is the absence of justice, just as a sword without scales can be abusive and draconian. It is argued in the book The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: The Conflict Between Word and Image by Leonard Shlain that written laws belong to the world of a stern male god (i.e."The Word of God"), while images, feelings and understanding are in the domain of the compassionate goddess. Therefore; justice is a balance of both law and compassion in the interest of fairness.
I took a look at the book mentioned, and cannot find that it says anything about this statue, or about a blindfold. See here. So, I'll remove the new material, which seems a lot like speculation. Ferrylodge ( talk) 16:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I put the above information back, because the book is being cited in support of this particular artistic interpretation. It's indeed certainly speculative because the very definition of artistic interpretation is "speculation." In fact, the entire "Blindfold" sub-topic pertains to conjecture and the subjective suppositions about a visual image. Although a discussion of the specific statue isn't contained in the book, the subject matter of goddesses as a whole certainly is. Therefore, this book is cited here because the information contained in it explains the inherent nature of goddesses and very strongly supports the hypothesis in general. The author contrasts goddesses with gods, explains how gods are associated with written laws while goddesses are associated with feelings and visions, and discusses why goddesses would be chosen rather than gods to symbolically represent particular abstract ideas. I.E. Since all goddesses in classical tradition (including the Greek Thetis and her Roman counterpart Justitia) are by their very nature intuitive, empathic, nurturing, sensitive, clairvoyant and/or visionary, fair, and wise, it follows when a classical goddess is chosen to artistically represent a concept like "justice"; it's because the concept of "justice" shares the goddesses' traits. A blindfolded goddess would never be blind because the scultptor wants to suggest she cannot see the truth, but because as goddess she's a visionary, and doesn't need her eyes to see the truth. That's a very common perception about classical goddesses.)
Too many images! See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not! I want to read about Lady Justice, not view a collection of images that doesn't support the text. A few images of Lady Justice as a statue are justified, if they're staying outside some extraordinarily important justice institute, or else are very reknowned from the history of art (Mona-Lisa-level or near). Then the purpose of retaining them would be that in future they shall support a future text. ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 15:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The article only s eems to be about depictions, not usages? The usages are of course pretty obvious: to represent the principle of justice, but where, outside courts or/and inside? When did the cultural habit begin in modern times? Trends in modern history? ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 15:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The version of the article conflicts when it comes when Lady Justice began to be seen with a blindfold:
there's also some back and forth to Latin--as you can see above. mikela david555
The article says (quote): "Lady Justice is an allegorical personification of the moral force in judicial systems.[1][2] Her attributes are a blindfold, a balance, and a sword. She often appears as a pair with Prudentia, who holds a mirror and a snake. Lady Justice is also known as Iustitia or Justitia after Latin: Iustitia,[3] the Roman goddess of Justice, who is equivalent to the Greek goddess Themis and Dike" (end quote); but the article as it is know seem to be entirely about the "allegorical personification", and nothing about "the Roman goddess" - did the roman goddess in question exist at all? If she did, she should have her own article, because there is no information about her in this article, and they should not share an article. -- Aciram ( talk) 22:33, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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Latin transcription is
Iustitita
I wonder if it is correct. Since English version is:
Justitia
Could someone competent check, please? Stan 15:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
"...the fact that blindfolds were commonly worn by the blind to cover their eyes..." This isn't why Justitia is blindfolded. Think of the theme of blindfolded Cupid. The blindfold simply shows that Justice is blind. Iconography, not daily life. -- Wetman 18:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
A Yale Law School website purports that the earliest depiction of the blindfold was actually shown in Sebastian Brant's Ship of Fools in the 1497 Basel edition in the image titled “The Fool Blindfolding Justice”. This depiction seems to be interpreted as a warning against blindly meting out justice. [1] Anthraxmilkshake ( talk) 03:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
to find that my photo of Lady Justice had been removed. It was to be the begining of a gallery of Her as depicted in American art. However since you are one of the keepers of the page i certainly shall respect your move. Break a leg. Carptrash 14:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, looks like we're here again. Not to knock, but could we chill a bit with the gallery? I only created it to display the three sculpture images we already had. Those were and are great representations of Justice. These latest additions, however, aren't. We're getting into an excessive, unnecessary area that's led to many wholesale gallery removals. While I think we can make good fair use rationales for the three body sculptures, the thinly blindfeld head, group and slab are all more frivalous than we, as an encyclopedia, need. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Since we are not going to use "pretty pictures" perhaps you fellows can use some of your pretty words to explain to and help those who are NOT People of the Book understand what the phrase Justice prepared to cut the baby in half is all about?
Meanwhile I'm re-shelving the books i had out to get my version of Lady Justice out there. Out here. Whatever.
Carptrash 22:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
However, this also leads to an interpretation held by some that Justice wears this blindfold to shield herself from atrocities committed in her name.
However, in the United Kingdom, Lady Justice is never shown with a blindfold as "Justice must be seen to be done". was recently added and then removed from the article. Here is a collage of pictures of British sculpture from the 19th and early 20th Century that help ( opinion) resolve the issue. Carptrash 00:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the book or the snake that she's usually standing on? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.121.39 ( talk) 21:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Some mention should be made of the Spirit of Justice in the US Justice department, which differs in design from the Justices discussed here. 2fort5r ( talk) 01:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I have never heard of this interpretation. Are there any sources that back up this claim? Arzel ( talk) 00:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
The following material was recently added:
One explanation for why she is blindfolded more in line with the goddess tradition is that Lady Justice is an intuitive empath. The sword in one hand symbolizes the power of the law, while she uses the scales in her other hand to "feel" the truth and deliberate justice. In this tradition, she is blindfolded to make certain she does not read "the letter of the law," for law without feeling is the absence of justice, just as a sword without scales can be abusive and draconian. It is argued in the book The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: The Conflict Between Word and Image by Leonard Shlain that written laws belong to the world of a stern male god (i.e."The Word of God"), while images, feelings and understanding are in the domain of the compassionate goddess. Therefore; justice is a balance of both law and compassion in the interest of fairness.
I took a look at the book mentioned, and cannot find that it says anything about this statue, or about a blindfold. See here. So, I'll remove the new material, which seems a lot like speculation. Ferrylodge ( talk) 16:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I put the above information back, because the book is being cited in support of this particular artistic interpretation. It's indeed certainly speculative because the very definition of artistic interpretation is "speculation." In fact, the entire "Blindfold" sub-topic pertains to conjecture and the subjective suppositions about a visual image. Although a discussion of the specific statue isn't contained in the book, the subject matter of goddesses as a whole certainly is. Therefore, this book is cited here because the information contained in it explains the inherent nature of goddesses and very strongly supports the hypothesis in general. The author contrasts goddesses with gods, explains how gods are associated with written laws while goddesses are associated with feelings and visions, and discusses why goddesses would be chosen rather than gods to symbolically represent particular abstract ideas. I.E. Since all goddesses in classical tradition (including the Greek Thetis and her Roman counterpart Justitia) are by their very nature intuitive, empathic, nurturing, sensitive, clairvoyant and/or visionary, fair, and wise, it follows when a classical goddess is chosen to artistically represent a concept like "justice"; it's because the concept of "justice" shares the goddesses' traits. A blindfolded goddess would never be blind because the scultptor wants to suggest she cannot see the truth, but because as goddess she's a visionary, and doesn't need her eyes to see the truth. That's a very common perception about classical goddesses.)
Too many images! See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not! I want to read about Lady Justice, not view a collection of images that doesn't support the text. A few images of Lady Justice as a statue are justified, if they're staying outside some extraordinarily important justice institute, or else are very reknowned from the history of art (Mona-Lisa-level or near). Then the purpose of retaining them would be that in future they shall support a future text. ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 15:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The article only s eems to be about depictions, not usages? The usages are of course pretty obvious: to represent the principle of justice, but where, outside courts or/and inside? When did the cultural habit begin in modern times? Trends in modern history? ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 15:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The version of the article conflicts when it comes when Lady Justice began to be seen with a blindfold:
there's also some back and forth to Latin--as you can see above. mikela david555
The article says (quote): "Lady Justice is an allegorical personification of the moral force in judicial systems.[1][2] Her attributes are a blindfold, a balance, and a sword. She often appears as a pair with Prudentia, who holds a mirror and a snake. Lady Justice is also known as Iustitia or Justitia after Latin: Iustitia,[3] the Roman goddess of Justice, who is equivalent to the Greek goddess Themis and Dike" (end quote); but the article as it is know seem to be entirely about the "allegorical personification", and nothing about "the Roman goddess" - did the roman goddess in question exist at all? If she did, she should have her own article, because there is no information about her in this article, and they should not share an article. -- Aciram ( talk) 22:33, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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