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This article may need more references (esp non-primary source), or there may be WP:POV issues. Love43554ever ( talk) 16:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
A lot of information in the page was/is wrong (especially the older versions which it keeps getting revered to) and attacks Labshare and a number of Australian Universities. Alex Gibson Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The original page alleges nepotism , financial and technical mismanagement but provides no evidence to support these claims. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The main LabShare website is http://www.labshare.edu.au/ Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Our software has been released under an open source license and is available from source forge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/labshare-sahara/files/ Alex Gibson Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Before removing any criticism, please consider WP:RS (reliable sources), WP:COI (conflict of interest), WP:NPOV (neutral points of view), WP:V (verifiability), WP:NOR (no original research). Before making any changes to include recent updates, consider WP:RECENT. Please do not include a WP:LAUNDRY list of UTS achievements. If in doubt, please gain WP:CONSENSUS before making any changes. Love43554ever ( talk) 17:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
UTS has inappropriately made the following changes:
They have been warned about WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Pick101355 ( talk) 13:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
There are two issues with this:
Regardless of whether you change your name or create a new account, you are not exempted from the guideline to avoid editing where you have a conflict of interest. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations.The article in question is Labshare. Thank you. Labshare appears to represent an organization rather than yourself Fæ ( talk) 04:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The objectives section appears to fail Wikipedia:SYNTH#Synthesis of published material that advances a position. I suggest that it is changed to merely state original objectives and then, separately, the reliably sourced facts about what has been done can be stated. Contentious and potentially defamatory statements about what has not been done can be avoided by only including published criticism and reviews of the organization and its projects in quality reliable sources (as per the guidance of WP:BLP).
I shall shortly be editing the objectives section on this basis. I have no association whatsoever with this organization (I happen to live on the other side of the planet) but I have been contacted with a request for help by Alxxthegeek after leaving a standard welcome on his talk page. Fæ ( talk) 04:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The early life section as it is currently is still incorrect. UTS has had remote laboratories since 2001. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Please note I requested that this page be fully protected at requests for page protection on a temporary basis to stop the current edit war. – Grondemar 05:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I would like to raise that the user User:Fæ has inappropriately censoring my posted content. This user should cease and desist these removals and I also raise WP:COI. Please adopt a NPOV on the talk page, and stop removing other users' suggestions. Hardrockfan203 ( talk) 07:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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I came across this, interesting read, should be included. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/uts Dear Tony Abbott, the Prime Minister of Australia: We hereby ask David Lowe, Lothar Weber, Bridgette Dang, Euan Lindsay, Steve Murray, Michel de la Villefromoy, to: "End the waste, pay back the debt, stop the sockpuppets, stop the vandalism, and pay a fair share of funds to the other ATN unis" It is time to stop the wasteful spending of UTS, pay back the right due and fair share of funds to othe ATN universities, and stop the sock puppetting and vandalism of the Labshare website. Thanks, ATN (UniSA, RMIT, Curtin, Queensland) Gave me a chuckle too. Hardrockfan203 ( talk) 06:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC) |
I note that http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/uts "quoted" above was created 45 minutes ago, evidently by the same person as is posting the same text here. It is obvious that this talk page is being manipulated by new Single-purpose accounts such as Hardrockfan203 ( talk · contribs · logs · block log) established for that purpose. I have collapsed the above text for that reason. Fæ ( talk) 07:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
This page contains numerous errors and blatant attempts to mislead regarding the Labshare project. There is no substance, nor supporting evidence at all, for the assertions regarding mismanagement of the project, lack of progress, or other problems. To the contrary, the project has been highly successful and is widely lauded. Whilst the information on the project website, like many websites for active development projects, is several months behind the actual state of the project, it still reflects the outstanding progress being made in the project, the strong engagement by many institutions, and the numerous successes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Labsdir ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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This is because the project funding was made to UTS, and the project is being coordinated by UTS on behalf of the sector. The management committee does day to day coordination, whereas the steering committee (which has very broad representation) provides overall guidance for the project.
"Labshare consortium (known as Labshare) is a laboratory sharing initiative established by the Federal Commonwealth of Australia Government..." Read below, you admit there was funding by the federal government ID908237835 ( talk) 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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The project wasn't established by the Commonwealth. It was established by UTS in partnership with the other ATN Universities, but funding was partially provided by the Federal Goverment ($2.1m, not the $3.8m repeatedly referred to).
"... Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations by their Diversity and Structural Adjustment Fund[10] awarded the five Australian Technology Network Universities..." The grant was not made to the ATN Universities. The terms of the grant were clearly that it was made to UTS, though UTS has partnered with the other Universities involved as participants in the project.
"Early life. The original remote laboratory from the University of South Australia which initiated the inter-University competition". There is no competition. The work that has been carried out to date has occurred in a highly collaborative manner. "The Labshare consortium was established as a government-granted monopoly". It was not established by the government, but rather was initiated by UTS in order to establish strengthened collaboration. It has not, and has never been described as a monopoly. Participation is, and has always been, welcome from any institutions, and this has been widely communicated within the sector.
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"The University of South Australia was first to establish its NetLab remote lab in 2008". Netlab was originally created in the early 2000's. "Subsequently, the University of Technology, Sydney established its untitled remote lab to compete with the University of South Australia". Work at UTS predates that at UniSA, and neither was intended to be a competitor. The laboratories focus in quite different discipline areas. Indeed colleagues at UniSA and UTS have been strong collaborators, with multiple jointly authored publications and involvement in joint research and teaching grants.
On the Uni SA website http://www.unisa.edu.au/eresearch/unisa/showcase.asp "NetLab is the UniSA remote laboratory developed by staff and students in the School of Electrical and Information Engineering. The development was financially supported by the school and by the UniSA Teaching and Learning Grant in 2002. " http://www.unisa.edu.au/eresearch/unisa/showcase.asp Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The early life section as it is currently is still incorrect. UTS has had remote laboratories since 2001. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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"Because the Australian Research Council funding for both the University of South Australia and University of Technology, Sydney was exhausted as of 2010". Neither UniSA nor UTS have ever had ARC funding for the remote laboratory initiatives.
"As a project of the Australian Technology Network elite five universities, non-members have criticized the government-subsidized monopoly, ...". There has no evidence of any criticism of the project either online, in the media, or from other institutions. All feedback to the team has been highly positive.
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Please provide a link to the article if it actually exists. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 04:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
"...creating unfair competition via a cartel to manipulate pricing and distribution". The project has an clearly stated explicit objective to promote sharing. No inter-University sharing of laboratories have involved any funding transfers, nor has there been any pricing models established by or for Labshare at this stage.
As the above examples from the introductory paragraphs illustrate, almost every comment is false or misleading, directly contradicted by the available information on the project, and unsubstantiated by any publicly available supporting information.
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There is a claim that our software is closed source and hasn't been developed. That is false it has been released and is all available as open source software under a BSD license on source forge http://sourceforge.net/projects/labshare-sahara/ Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
UTS Remote Labs remote lab uses the labshare source code which is open source under a BSD license. The old UTS source code has been replaced except for on one legacy experiment (coldfire) which is in the process of being phased out and replaced over the next six months. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I ask that the controversial material in the early life section be removed(at least be removed to this talk page). Especially the section referring to cartels ,monopolys and unfair competition. No evidence has been provided for these claims. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Done It has been removed to this talk page for further discussion
Please explain why seeking the speedy deletion of an article that set out solely to disparage its subject is vandalism. The Labshare article was only created today, with a complete lack of neutrality. {{ db-attack}} is appropriate in this case. 86.156.221.141 ( talk) 03:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking to undertake a cleanup of this article; some preliminary points:
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Consensus for point 4 above has been reached. Request is to remove
Membership section. Thanks,
Stickee
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08:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
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Point 5 (link in External Links section) seems uncontroversial (and agreed-to by previously-uninvolved editor--me:).
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On my talk page, I said:
The phrase DOES "Controversial material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately" refer to UTS as a corporate person? Utwaffe ( talk) 06:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC) Controversial material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately
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![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
This article may need more references (esp non-primary source), or there may be WP:POV issues. Love43554ever ( talk) 16:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
A lot of information in the page was/is wrong (especially the older versions which it keeps getting revered to) and attacks Labshare and a number of Australian Universities. Alex Gibson Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The original page alleges nepotism , financial and technical mismanagement but provides no evidence to support these claims. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The main LabShare website is http://www.labshare.edu.au/ Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Our software has been released under an open source license and is available from source forge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/labshare-sahara/files/ Alex Gibson Alxxthegeek ( talk) 23:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Before removing any criticism, please consider WP:RS (reliable sources), WP:COI (conflict of interest), WP:NPOV (neutral points of view), WP:V (verifiability), WP:NOR (no original research). Before making any changes to include recent updates, consider WP:RECENT. Please do not include a WP:LAUNDRY list of UTS achievements. If in doubt, please gain WP:CONSENSUS before making any changes. Love43554ever ( talk) 17:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
UTS has inappropriately made the following changes:
They have been warned about WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Pick101355 ( talk) 13:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
There are two issues with this:
Regardless of whether you change your name or create a new account, you are not exempted from the guideline to avoid editing where you have a conflict of interest. For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations.The article in question is Labshare. Thank you. Labshare appears to represent an organization rather than yourself Fæ ( talk) 04:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The objectives section appears to fail Wikipedia:SYNTH#Synthesis of published material that advances a position. I suggest that it is changed to merely state original objectives and then, separately, the reliably sourced facts about what has been done can be stated. Contentious and potentially defamatory statements about what has not been done can be avoided by only including published criticism and reviews of the organization and its projects in quality reliable sources (as per the guidance of WP:BLP).
I shall shortly be editing the objectives section on this basis. I have no association whatsoever with this organization (I happen to live on the other side of the planet) but I have been contacted with a request for help by Alxxthegeek after leaving a standard welcome on his talk page. Fæ ( talk) 04:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The early life section as it is currently is still incorrect. UTS has had remote laboratories since 2001. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Please note I requested that this page be fully protected at requests for page protection on a temporary basis to stop the current edit war. – Grondemar 05:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I would like to raise that the user User:Fæ has inappropriately censoring my posted content. This user should cease and desist these removals and I also raise WP:COI. Please adopt a NPOV on the talk page, and stop removing other users' suggestions. Hardrockfan203 ( talk) 07:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
see following comment
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I came across this, interesting read, should be included. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/uts Dear Tony Abbott, the Prime Minister of Australia: We hereby ask David Lowe, Lothar Weber, Bridgette Dang, Euan Lindsay, Steve Murray, Michel de la Villefromoy, to: "End the waste, pay back the debt, stop the sockpuppets, stop the vandalism, and pay a fair share of funds to the other ATN unis" It is time to stop the wasteful spending of UTS, pay back the right due and fair share of funds to othe ATN universities, and stop the sock puppetting and vandalism of the Labshare website. Thanks, ATN (UniSA, RMIT, Curtin, Queensland) Gave me a chuckle too. Hardrockfan203 ( talk) 06:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC) |
I note that http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/uts "quoted" above was created 45 minutes ago, evidently by the same person as is posting the same text here. It is obvious that this talk page is being manipulated by new Single-purpose accounts such as Hardrockfan203 ( talk · contribs · logs · block log) established for that purpose. I have collapsed the above text for that reason. Fæ ( talk) 07:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
This page contains numerous errors and blatant attempts to mislead regarding the Labshare project. There is no substance, nor supporting evidence at all, for the assertions regarding mismanagement of the project, lack of progress, or other problems. To the contrary, the project has been highly successful and is widely lauded. Whilst the information on the project website, like many websites for active development projects, is several months behind the actual state of the project, it still reflects the outstanding progress being made in the project, the strong engagement by many institutions, and the numerous successes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Labsdir ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Collapsed discussion from blocked SPA accounts.
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This is because the project funding was made to UTS, and the project is being coordinated by UTS on behalf of the sector. The management committee does day to day coordination, whereas the steering committee (which has very broad representation) provides overall guidance for the project.
"Labshare consortium (known as Labshare) is a laboratory sharing initiative established by the Federal Commonwealth of Australia Government..." Read below, you admit there was funding by the federal government ID908237835 ( talk) 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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The project wasn't established by the Commonwealth. It was established by UTS in partnership with the other ATN Universities, but funding was partially provided by the Federal Goverment ($2.1m, not the $3.8m repeatedly referred to).
"... Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations by their Diversity and Structural Adjustment Fund[10] awarded the five Australian Technology Network Universities..." The grant was not made to the ATN Universities. The terms of the grant were clearly that it was made to UTS, though UTS has partnered with the other Universities involved as participants in the project.
"Early life. The original remote laboratory from the University of South Australia which initiated the inter-University competition". There is no competition. The work that has been carried out to date has occurred in a highly collaborative manner. "The Labshare consortium was established as a government-granted monopoly". It was not established by the government, but rather was initiated by UTS in order to establish strengthened collaboration. It has not, and has never been described as a monopoly. Participation is, and has always been, welcome from any institutions, and this has been widely communicated within the sector.
collapsed discussion based on comments from blocked accounts
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"The University of South Australia was first to establish its NetLab remote lab in 2008". Netlab was originally created in the early 2000's. "Subsequently, the University of Technology, Sydney established its untitled remote lab to compete with the University of South Australia". Work at UTS predates that at UniSA, and neither was intended to be a competitor. The laboratories focus in quite different discipline areas. Indeed colleagues at UniSA and UTS have been strong collaborators, with multiple jointly authored publications and involvement in joint research and teaching grants.
On the Uni SA website http://www.unisa.edu.au/eresearch/unisa/showcase.asp "NetLab is the UniSA remote laboratory developed by staff and students in the School of Electrical and Information Engineering. The development was financially supported by the school and by the UniSA Teaching and Learning Grant in 2002. " http://www.unisa.edu.au/eresearch/unisa/showcase.asp Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The early life section as it is currently is still incorrect. UTS has had remote laboratories since 2001. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
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"Because the Australian Research Council funding for both the University of South Australia and University of Technology, Sydney was exhausted as of 2010". Neither UniSA nor UTS have ever had ARC funding for the remote laboratory initiatives.
"As a project of the Australian Technology Network elite five universities, non-members have criticized the government-subsidized monopoly, ...". There has no evidence of any criticism of the project either online, in the media, or from other institutions. All feedback to the team has been highly positive.
collapsed discussion based on comments from blocked accounts.
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Please provide a link to the article if it actually exists. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 04:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
"...creating unfair competition via a cartel to manipulate pricing and distribution". The project has an clearly stated explicit objective to promote sharing. No inter-University sharing of laboratories have involved any funding transfers, nor has there been any pricing models established by or for Labshare at this stage.
As the above examples from the introductory paragraphs illustrate, almost every comment is false or misleading, directly contradicted by the available information on the project, and unsubstantiated by any publicly available supporting information.
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There is a claim that our software is closed source and hasn't been developed. That is false it has been released and is all available as open source software under a BSD license on source forge http://sourceforge.net/projects/labshare-sahara/ Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
UTS Remote Labs remote lab uses the labshare source code which is open source under a BSD license. The old UTS source code has been replaced except for on one legacy experiment (coldfire) which is in the process of being phased out and replaced over the next six months. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I ask that the controversial material in the early life section be removed(at least be removed to this talk page). Especially the section referring to cartels ,monopolys and unfair competition. No evidence has been provided for these claims. Alxxthegeek ( talk) 05:18, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Done It has been removed to this talk page for further discussion
Please explain why seeking the speedy deletion of an article that set out solely to disparage its subject is vandalism. The Labshare article was only created today, with a complete lack of neutrality. {{ db-attack}} is appropriate in this case. 86.156.221.141 ( talk) 03:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm looking to undertake a cleanup of this article; some preliminary points:
{{
editprotected}}
Consensus for point 4 above has been reached. Request is to remove
Membership section. Thanks,
Stickee
(talk)
08:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
{{
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Point 5 (link in External Links section) seems uncontroversial (and agreed-to by previously-uninvolved editor--me:).
DMacks (
talk)
04:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
collapsed thread based on comments from blocked accounts.
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On my talk page, I said:
The phrase DOES "Controversial material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately" refer to UTS as a corporate person? Utwaffe ( talk) 06:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC) Controversial material about living people that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately
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