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For the record, the reason I self-reverted is that once I performed the move, the undabbed title's "what links here" list suddenly included links for topics which were quite clearly not this film, such as
List of gliders (miscellaneous). I see, for the record, that everything on that list is a redlink, so the glider of this name might not actually be notable at all (or at least not notable enough to claim
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights over this), but the fact that there was a different topic of the same name waiting for that title was a sufficient basis to forestall arbitrarily moving this without having a full discussion first. I don't object to the proposed move at all, however — I merely wanted to explain my reasoning for what I did.
Bearcat (
talk)
21:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose no evidence, above comment "sole such title" is no reason. Looking at
fr:La Guêpe, there clearly are several topics, none of which sticks out as a natural automatic reference. Have created a dab at
Guêpe without La, but suggest
La Guêpe redirects to it, or vice versa.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
09:04, 9 August 2017 (UTC)reply
In addition to all of that, it warrants mention that the film project's actual rule about film articles is that we use the title that the film was released with to anglophone markets, if one can be properly
verified — we leave them at the original French title only if (a) we can't verify an English language title at all, or (b) the film is one of those fairly rare instances (e.g. Incendies or Monsieur Lazhar) where the film actually retained its original French title even when it got dubbed or subtitled into English (i.e. we don't perform our own
original research translations for films not actually known by that alternate title.) So yes, sometimes films from
Quebec start out at their original French titles, because either the film doesn't have an English title at all or we just haven't found what it is yet — but if and when an English title is actually located, the article needs to be moved to that title. That said, it should still stay on the Guêpe dab page, because some users will likely search for it by its original French name, and I don't feel comfortable prematurely moving it while this discussion is still underway on this talk page — but the correct title for this article is now
Scalp (film) rather than
La Guêpe.
Bearcat (
talk)
18:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Canada on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CanadaWikipedia:WikiProject CanadaTemplate:WikiProject CanadaCanada-related articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
For the record, the reason I self-reverted is that once I performed the move, the undabbed title's "what links here" list suddenly included links for topics which were quite clearly not this film, such as
List of gliders (miscellaneous). I see, for the record, that everything on that list is a redlink, so the glider of this name might not actually be notable at all (or at least not notable enough to claim
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC rights over this), but the fact that there was a different topic of the same name waiting for that title was a sufficient basis to forestall arbitrarily moving this without having a full discussion first. I don't object to the proposed move at all, however — I merely wanted to explain my reasoning for what I did.
Bearcat (
talk)
21:56, 8 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose no evidence, above comment "sole such title" is no reason. Looking at
fr:La Guêpe, there clearly are several topics, none of which sticks out as a natural automatic reference. Have created a dab at
Guêpe without La, but suggest
La Guêpe redirects to it, or vice versa.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
09:04, 9 August 2017 (UTC)reply
In addition to all of that, it warrants mention that the film project's actual rule about film articles is that we use the title that the film was released with to anglophone markets, if one can be properly
verified — we leave them at the original French title only if (a) we can't verify an English language title at all, or (b) the film is one of those fairly rare instances (e.g. Incendies or Monsieur Lazhar) where the film actually retained its original French title even when it got dubbed or subtitled into English (i.e. we don't perform our own
original research translations for films not actually known by that alternate title.) So yes, sometimes films from
Quebec start out at their original French titles, because either the film doesn't have an English title at all or we just haven't found what it is yet — but if and when an English title is actually located, the article needs to be moved to that title. That said, it should still stay on the Guêpe dab page, because some users will likely search for it by its original French name, and I don't feel comfortable prematurely moving it while this discussion is still underway on this talk page — but the correct title for this article is now
Scalp (film) rather than
La Guêpe.
Bearcat (
talk)
18:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.