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having the virse with Marijuana que fumar. seems innaproprate. A better verse would be Una pata para andar. as it is the one more often sung, especially to children. Also, here is an example of a political version of 'la cucaracha'.
-- 1 black han d 17:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that la cucaracha is a very famous tune for a car horn. Can someone clarify this on my talk page user: swinger222
Some people think this is a joke. However, this version of the lyrics is very well established, and I would say even standard in Mexico. It is included as part of the "Corrido de la muerte de Pancho Villa", written about 80 years ago, which also attributes authorship of La Cucaracha to Pancho Villa himself. You can find the whole corrido in many places on the web, such as http://ingeb.org/songs/panchovi.html . You can also find a long version of La Cucaracha at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/9466/corridos.html . Itub 00:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Fact: Most Mexicans fighting in the Mexican revolution were good ol' bud smokers (including) Pancho Villa himself. Now, from other places I read, the original song is about a Mexican revolutionary that refused to march without Marijuana, or something like that... JokersAce0 07:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)JokersAce0
Hi. I remember as a kid having a book (actually, from Mexico's Public Education Secretary, SEP) which contained a really very long version of this corrido. Do you think something should be said about? Does anybody know anything about this? I can remember my mother once even stated: "La Cucaracha, is a song which has no end" (that is, at least very long as to remember the whole lyrics or to learn them easily).
NO NO NO Its about MARIJUANA. Wikipedia not to be censored for children or other sensitive types like those of you who want to not mention it. Men at war sing about naughty stuff and this is the original version as emerged in the Mexican Revolution. Do not censor history because you don't like it. Narc! --Jon in California 2 Aug 2007
I had a college roommate who lived for a number of years in Mexico, and her story about the song had to do with Pancho Villa: that his car broke down during an escape, and he (or an associate) wrote the verse about that--his car being "la cucaracha," and that it wouldn't go because it had no "marijuana" (gas). This story is referenced in the "Straight Dope" article, but I was wondering if anyone else had heard it, or how widespread this story was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.228.207.85 ( talk) 23:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the joke that "la cucaracha" is a roach, like the butt of a spliff? The roach has no marijuana in it, or at least not enough to get you high. Hence, it won't "walk." It's a joke about running out of weed. Come on guys... 72.78.3.180 ( talk) 13:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Eight zillion people are saying this is connected to marijuana. So yeah. Where the hell did this connection from if its "fictional"? I mean, it didn't materialize out of thin air. Come on. -- Ragemanchoo ( talk) 04:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Marijuana, Marihuana, and variants are American in origin and are a result of the racial bias of early Cannabis prohibition. The earliest references I can find date to 1918. If this song is about the MexicanRevolution (1911) then that verse is an anachronism and must have been added later. -- Ganjablue ( talk) 17:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't the various lyrics cited that begin with "La cucaracha, la cucaracha" be choruses or refrains rather than verses? I think they're generally repeated in between verses, and are sung to different music from the verses. 140.147.160.78 15:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
The correct terms in spanish are marihuana or mariguana (both). Marijuana is incorrect. The Real Academia Española dictionary can be consulted:
-- RoberPL ( talk) 19:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
"the great Mexican cockroach scare of 1827"
Say what? Google turns up nothing except this page. 75.62.109.96 ( talk) 13:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I suspect it's vandalism, but I can't quite tell. It doesn't seem to make sense. It certainly needs a citation tag. 72.78.3.180 ( talk) 13:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard the song has a connection to Empress Carlota and her drug use (marijuana). Anybody else heard this? -- Ragemanchoo ( talk) 04:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Growing up in South Texas, they told me that a "Cucaracha" was slang for a Model T Ford. This fellow has the same recollection, but for him it was a Model A. [1] Checking the Yahoo English/Spanish Dictionary: "(coche) jalopy, rattletrap" [2] The Ford Model T was first produced in 1908 and was common in Mexico during the Revolution. (The Model A did not come out until 1927.) Pancho Villa was assassinated in 1923 in his Model T. I believe this was the original meaning of the word, but in current use, it refers to an old jalopy of any model: I just called my brother's car a "cucaracha" last week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Johnson ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I just overhauled the article and provided proper sourcing for it. We still need a source that shows that the patitas version is "the most traditional Spanish version." I'm not sure that it's in its best form right now. the borderless table approach seemed best suited to what I was interested in achieving with the translations, however it leaves some portions of the article looking a but "versey." We should work on adding text between representative verses. Also, if anyone can find a Carrancist Revolutionary verse, i think that would be a valuable addition to the article. The source where I got the Zapatist, Villist, and Huertist verses was clearly anti-Carranza... - Thibbs ( talk) 01:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Is La Cucaracha a Folk Dance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.254.196 ( talk) 12:56, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 19:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
La Cucaracha → La cucaracha – Decap Spanish song title, see e.g. Spanish Wikipedia. -- The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
The use of this tune as a car horn is extremely widespread. I would imagine there are thousands of people, all over the world, but particularly in the US and UK, who have not the slightest idea that it originates from this Spanish folk corrido. I suspect many of those folk would never have heard the tune at all were it not for its use, or misuse, in that popular medium. To blindly dismiss the connection as " WP:TRIVIA" denies any the opportunity of the realisation of the connection by means of this article. If the sources provided are inadequate, the answer is to find better ones. It's hard to believe that such a basic fact is not allowed a place in this article. As I mentioned in the edit summary, a Google search for "La Cucaracha"+"car horn" gives over 7000 hits. "La Cucaracha"+"motor"+"horn" gives 28,000 hits. I'd suggest editors take a look at Dixie (song) and see what has been included there. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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Under this section it says "las dospatitas de atrás" means it lost one of its six legs, but shouldn't it be, "Las dos patitas de atrás", which means two hind legs? I believe this is the case, which also means the part that says "The cockroach's uneven, five-legged gait is imitated by the song's original 5/4 meter" isn't true and should also be removed. It has no citation anyway. Bnmguy ( talk) 20:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Every recording and sheet music I can find of it is clearly in 4/4 (or 2/2), I have no idea what the "standard 6/4" rhythm is supposed to be.
La Cu - ca - ra - cha, la cu - ca - ra - cha, + 4 + 1+2 + 3 + 4 + 1+2 3+4+ ya no pue - de cam - i - nar 1 +2 + 3 + 4 + 1+2+3
100.17.1.53 ( talk) 03:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, I stand corrected. The earliest version mentioned in the article (I found it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3PnzuGiA0) is clearly in triple meter, though I'd call it 3/4, not 6/4 (you could conceivably double the note values to convert between but 3/4 is a lot simpler and more common). 100.17.1.53 ( talk) 19:49, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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having the virse with Marijuana que fumar. seems innaproprate. A better verse would be Una pata para andar. as it is the one more often sung, especially to children. Also, here is an example of a political version of 'la cucaracha'.
-- 1 black han d 17:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that la cucaracha is a very famous tune for a car horn. Can someone clarify this on my talk page user: swinger222
Some people think this is a joke. However, this version of the lyrics is very well established, and I would say even standard in Mexico. It is included as part of the "Corrido de la muerte de Pancho Villa", written about 80 years ago, which also attributes authorship of La Cucaracha to Pancho Villa himself. You can find the whole corrido in many places on the web, such as http://ingeb.org/songs/panchovi.html . You can also find a long version of La Cucaracha at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/9466/corridos.html . Itub 00:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Fact: Most Mexicans fighting in the Mexican revolution were good ol' bud smokers (including) Pancho Villa himself. Now, from other places I read, the original song is about a Mexican revolutionary that refused to march without Marijuana, or something like that... JokersAce0 07:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)JokersAce0
Hi. I remember as a kid having a book (actually, from Mexico's Public Education Secretary, SEP) which contained a really very long version of this corrido. Do you think something should be said about? Does anybody know anything about this? I can remember my mother once even stated: "La Cucaracha, is a song which has no end" (that is, at least very long as to remember the whole lyrics or to learn them easily).
NO NO NO Its about MARIJUANA. Wikipedia not to be censored for children or other sensitive types like those of you who want to not mention it. Men at war sing about naughty stuff and this is the original version as emerged in the Mexican Revolution. Do not censor history because you don't like it. Narc! --Jon in California 2 Aug 2007
I had a college roommate who lived for a number of years in Mexico, and her story about the song had to do with Pancho Villa: that his car broke down during an escape, and he (or an associate) wrote the verse about that--his car being "la cucaracha," and that it wouldn't go because it had no "marijuana" (gas). This story is referenced in the "Straight Dope" article, but I was wondering if anyone else had heard it, or how widespread this story was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.228.207.85 ( talk) 23:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the joke that "la cucaracha" is a roach, like the butt of a spliff? The roach has no marijuana in it, or at least not enough to get you high. Hence, it won't "walk." It's a joke about running out of weed. Come on guys... 72.78.3.180 ( talk) 13:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Eight zillion people are saying this is connected to marijuana. So yeah. Where the hell did this connection from if its "fictional"? I mean, it didn't materialize out of thin air. Come on. -- Ragemanchoo ( talk) 04:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Marijuana, Marihuana, and variants are American in origin and are a result of the racial bias of early Cannabis prohibition. The earliest references I can find date to 1918. If this song is about the MexicanRevolution (1911) then that verse is an anachronism and must have been added later. -- Ganjablue ( talk) 17:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't the various lyrics cited that begin with "La cucaracha, la cucaracha" be choruses or refrains rather than verses? I think they're generally repeated in between verses, and are sung to different music from the verses. 140.147.160.78 15:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
The correct terms in spanish are marihuana or mariguana (both). Marijuana is incorrect. The Real Academia Española dictionary can be consulted:
-- RoberPL ( talk) 19:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
"the great Mexican cockroach scare of 1827"
Say what? Google turns up nothing except this page. 75.62.109.96 ( talk) 13:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
I suspect it's vandalism, but I can't quite tell. It doesn't seem to make sense. It certainly needs a citation tag. 72.78.3.180 ( talk) 13:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I've heard the song has a connection to Empress Carlota and her drug use (marijuana). Anybody else heard this? -- Ragemanchoo ( talk) 04:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Growing up in South Texas, they told me that a "Cucaracha" was slang for a Model T Ford. This fellow has the same recollection, but for him it was a Model A. [1] Checking the Yahoo English/Spanish Dictionary: "(coche) jalopy, rattletrap" [2] The Ford Model T was first produced in 1908 and was common in Mexico during the Revolution. (The Model A did not come out until 1927.) Pancho Villa was assassinated in 1923 in his Model T. I believe this was the original meaning of the word, but in current use, it refers to an old jalopy of any model: I just called my brother's car a "cucaracha" last week. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Johnson ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I just overhauled the article and provided proper sourcing for it. We still need a source that shows that the patitas version is "the most traditional Spanish version." I'm not sure that it's in its best form right now. the borderless table approach seemed best suited to what I was interested in achieving with the translations, however it leaves some portions of the article looking a but "versey." We should work on adding text between representative verses. Also, if anyone can find a Carrancist Revolutionary verse, i think that would be a valuable addition to the article. The source where I got the Zapatist, Villist, and Huertist verses was clearly anti-Carranza... - Thibbs ( talk) 01:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Is La Cucaracha a Folk Dance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.254.196 ( talk) 12:56, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 19:24, 15 October 2012 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
La Cucaracha → La cucaracha – Decap Spanish song title, see e.g. Spanish Wikipedia. -- The Evil IP address ( talk) 14:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
The use of this tune as a car horn is extremely widespread. I would imagine there are thousands of people, all over the world, but particularly in the US and UK, who have not the slightest idea that it originates from this Spanish folk corrido. I suspect many of those folk would never have heard the tune at all were it not for its use, or misuse, in that popular medium. To blindly dismiss the connection as " WP:TRIVIA" denies any the opportunity of the realisation of the connection by means of this article. If the sources provided are inadequate, the answer is to find better ones. It's hard to believe that such a basic fact is not allowed a place in this article. As I mentioned in the edit summary, a Google search for "La Cucaracha"+"car horn" gives over 7000 hits. "La Cucaracha"+"motor"+"horn" gives 28,000 hits. I'd suggest editors take a look at Dixie (song) and see what has been included there. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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Under this section it says "las dospatitas de atrás" means it lost one of its six legs, but shouldn't it be, "Las dos patitas de atrás", which means two hind legs? I believe this is the case, which also means the part that says "The cockroach's uneven, five-legged gait is imitated by the song's original 5/4 meter" isn't true and should also be removed. It has no citation anyway. Bnmguy ( talk) 20:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Every recording and sheet music I can find of it is clearly in 4/4 (or 2/2), I have no idea what the "standard 6/4" rhythm is supposed to be.
La Cu - ca - ra - cha, la cu - ca - ra - cha, + 4 + 1+2 + 3 + 4 + 1+2 3+4+ ya no pue - de cam - i - nar 1 +2 + 3 + 4 + 1+2+3
100.17.1.53 ( talk) 03:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, I stand corrected. The earliest version mentioned in the article (I found it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3PnzuGiA0) is clearly in triple meter, though I'd call it 3/4, not 6/4 (you could conceivably double the note values to convert between but 3/4 is a lot simpler and more common). 100.17.1.53 ( talk) 19:49, 21 March 2019 (UTC)