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Just a suggestion, but the drawings take up a lot of space on the page and push the content below the fold. Might look better if just 2-3 were displayed on this page, and a dedicated page created for the rest. -- dahamsta 13:13, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This article is missing:
— Timwi 15:52, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the great feedback! I've incorporated these excellent suggestions. Funhistory 21:39, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
LMLK seals have absolutely nothing to do with heraldry & vexillology. Please stop adding banners to include this page in that Wikiproject.-- Funhistory 16:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
In June 2007 someone at 67.127.185.79 posted content promoting the theory that the "MLK" of "LMLK" is Moloch, which was already listed near the bottom of the theories page. I believe additional content regarding this minority theory should be restricted to the Moloch page, & not be added to this page, which as User:Wrp103 stated, is about the seals, & not about interpretations of the Bible.-- Funhistory 14:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Because of this Stamp seal, "type" I worked on "Stamp seal", and Cylinder seal. So thanks, Funhistory. I have not read every word of the LMLK seal page.
Here are some thoughts. I worked on Egy.Hiero. then the Amarna letters, then the Epic of Gilgamesh, with Akkadian. I know that 'mlk', and the variants are for Akkadian: malāku, with the long a. and that this is the word for "consultation". The gods are always convening and doing their "consultations", or any important Group ( Of People) Abi-Milku in the Amarna letters from Megiddo. his name is "Father=King", (milku, "advice, counsel" and also king for Canaanite ? ) Anyway...(All the family of m-l-k words....)
To get at the symbols of the beetle... Is it the Scarab, just referring to "Transforming", working to Improve ? And are the wings the " Faravahar ", or Ahura Mazda, still just referring to "transforming", and bettering oneself ? Are all these pottery items, just "owned" or authorized by the KING, and there is no implications with the symbols, or is it " Just the Symbol of the King," or one of his "Trustees", "Superintendent of Pots production" ? Are there obvious answers to this ?
Okay, I reread most of the LMLK page. I assume these are just Tithe portions to the "Govt", whatever the government was. I am assuming the "Govt" was the "Religios" one the "Religious/King" govt. End of my thoughts. I'll look at the MMST page again. Michael McAnnis,YumaAZ(USA)
(I know that Scarab rings were a common in the Early Canaanites, in the Lachish book by Bliss, 1898, the Scarab rings were pictured. (Numerous fold-outs in this 1898 book, a lot of artefacts.) ( The Scarab rings were also in varieties, locally produced, or at least Canaanite-produced (I assume) with their specific variations.)
But I am thinking the Egyptian influence, was not in the jewelry, but in the ideas that the Canaanites had in their own minds..... Thus the "wings", and "modified Scarab". ( Am I correct that this 700 BC timeframe is just as the Hebrews were "solidifying" their oral, and written history? Do these symbols somehow fit into the War History happening physically, played against their Religious Aspiration history ? Isnt this when the Old T. Bible was being created ? Mmcannis
Maybe this is closer to the meaning of the wings, instead of Ahura Mazda. Maat stands for "order, justice, truth" probably aspirations of the 'leaders', 'kings', 'princes', of Jerusalem area. M McAnnis
Re yr Theories section: I thought there was a 4th theory, which was that Hezekiah was big in the olive oil industry, and these were the jars in which the oil was collected? (Although in that case, why no jars/seals outside his territories?)
I see that you have the vocalisation of kaf (same in Arabic) as a /kh/ - is this right? Arabic kaf is /k/. (Root in Arabic is /mlk/ - giving malik, king (one who possesses), mumluk, slave (the one possessed, esp. by a malik), etc.) PiCo ( talk) 07:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
This is a good article. It would be nice to see what it takes to get it up to Featured Article status.
Em-jay-es 16:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
This 2012 article (free) and those it cites could be used to bring the debate up to date. Zero talk 01:38, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I have been trying to learn latin so I have a little knowlege, but especially for a reader unfamiliar with these phrases, we may want to change some of the sentences with latin phrases to better accomodate readers.
Thanks, Nemoanon ( talk) 01:24, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
See WP:RSN#LMLK Research website as a source for biblical archaeology - run by a Creationist with a B.Sc.. Doug Weller talk 14:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I am not going to change any of the revisions performed this week by Doug Weller, which was justified in one edit-summary statement, "Grena is fringe and not affiliated to any academic institution" citing a Masters of Arts paper by GAIL AVRIL RÖTHLIN. I'll simply ask future readers to ponder why Grena's work is invalid for Wikipedia if a paper published by an academic institution ( University of South Africa) factually cites his "fringe" self-published book 8 times (alongside the works of James B. Pritchard and William F. Albright, and commends him with, "hope I have done justice to his comments. Although George Grena is not affiliated with any academic institution, I would like to express my admiration for his research", and that Grena's book "covers every conceivable aspect pertaining to" LMLK seals.-- Funhistory ( talk) 23:42, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
For those interested in the subject, Rothlin's MA 2009 MA paper was formally published in an article co-authored with her prof. (Magdel le Roux) in Verbum et Ecclesia vol. 34, no. 2 (2013). [1]
References
Per the previous discussion regarding the removal of Grena references by Weller, I am not going to change the misleading/misrepresentative revisions performed last week (2020-10-31) by PeakAsian, which added Khirbet Qeiyafa to the top of the Sites and quantities section with a total of 692, & changed the previous total from 1,716 to 2,408 citing a popular-level 2018 book by Garfinkel, Ganor, Hasel ("In the Footsteps of King David"). This quantity represents the primitive depression-mark handles published by Hoo-Goo Kang and Yosef Garfinkel in Levant vol. 47 no. 2 (2015), "Finger-impressed jar handles at Khirbet Qeiyafa: new light on administration in the Kingdom of Judah", p. 188 (actual total of 693 reported). It's unfortunate that this editor would make such a prominent change without knowing the difference between these typologically, stylistically, chronologically distinct artifacts. I'm simply noting the problem here in case anyone cares about the integrity of this Wikipedia entry.-- Funhistory ( talk) 02:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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Just a suggestion, but the drawings take up a lot of space on the page and push the content below the fold. Might look better if just 2-3 were displayed on this page, and a dedicated page created for the rest. -- dahamsta 13:13, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This article is missing:
— Timwi 15:52, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the great feedback! I've incorporated these excellent suggestions. Funhistory 21:39, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
LMLK seals have absolutely nothing to do with heraldry & vexillology. Please stop adding banners to include this page in that Wikiproject.-- Funhistory 16:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
In June 2007 someone at 67.127.185.79 posted content promoting the theory that the "MLK" of "LMLK" is Moloch, which was already listed near the bottom of the theories page. I believe additional content regarding this minority theory should be restricted to the Moloch page, & not be added to this page, which as User:Wrp103 stated, is about the seals, & not about interpretations of the Bible.-- Funhistory 14:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Because of this Stamp seal, "type" I worked on "Stamp seal", and Cylinder seal. So thanks, Funhistory. I have not read every word of the LMLK seal page.
Here are some thoughts. I worked on Egy.Hiero. then the Amarna letters, then the Epic of Gilgamesh, with Akkadian. I know that 'mlk', and the variants are for Akkadian: malāku, with the long a. and that this is the word for "consultation". The gods are always convening and doing their "consultations", or any important Group ( Of People) Abi-Milku in the Amarna letters from Megiddo. his name is "Father=King", (milku, "advice, counsel" and also king for Canaanite ? ) Anyway...(All the family of m-l-k words....)
To get at the symbols of the beetle... Is it the Scarab, just referring to "Transforming", working to Improve ? And are the wings the " Faravahar ", or Ahura Mazda, still just referring to "transforming", and bettering oneself ? Are all these pottery items, just "owned" or authorized by the KING, and there is no implications with the symbols, or is it " Just the Symbol of the King," or one of his "Trustees", "Superintendent of Pots production" ? Are there obvious answers to this ?
Okay, I reread most of the LMLK page. I assume these are just Tithe portions to the "Govt", whatever the government was. I am assuming the "Govt" was the "Religios" one the "Religious/King" govt. End of my thoughts. I'll look at the MMST page again. Michael McAnnis,YumaAZ(USA)
(I know that Scarab rings were a common in the Early Canaanites, in the Lachish book by Bliss, 1898, the Scarab rings were pictured. (Numerous fold-outs in this 1898 book, a lot of artefacts.) ( The Scarab rings were also in varieties, locally produced, or at least Canaanite-produced (I assume) with their specific variations.)
But I am thinking the Egyptian influence, was not in the jewelry, but in the ideas that the Canaanites had in their own minds..... Thus the "wings", and "modified Scarab". ( Am I correct that this 700 BC timeframe is just as the Hebrews were "solidifying" their oral, and written history? Do these symbols somehow fit into the War History happening physically, played against their Religious Aspiration history ? Isnt this when the Old T. Bible was being created ? Mmcannis
Maybe this is closer to the meaning of the wings, instead of Ahura Mazda. Maat stands for "order, justice, truth" probably aspirations of the 'leaders', 'kings', 'princes', of Jerusalem area. M McAnnis
Re yr Theories section: I thought there was a 4th theory, which was that Hezekiah was big in the olive oil industry, and these were the jars in which the oil was collected? (Although in that case, why no jars/seals outside his territories?)
I see that you have the vocalisation of kaf (same in Arabic) as a /kh/ - is this right? Arabic kaf is /k/. (Root in Arabic is /mlk/ - giving malik, king (one who possesses), mumluk, slave (the one possessed, esp. by a malik), etc.) PiCo ( talk) 07:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
This is a good article. It would be nice to see what it takes to get it up to Featured Article status.
Em-jay-es 16:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
This 2012 article (free) and those it cites could be used to bring the debate up to date. Zero talk 01:38, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I have been trying to learn latin so I have a little knowlege, but especially for a reader unfamiliar with these phrases, we may want to change some of the sentences with latin phrases to better accomodate readers.
Thanks, Nemoanon ( talk) 01:24, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
See WP:RSN#LMLK Research website as a source for biblical archaeology - run by a Creationist with a B.Sc.. Doug Weller talk 14:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I am not going to change any of the revisions performed this week by Doug Weller, which was justified in one edit-summary statement, "Grena is fringe and not affiliated to any academic institution" citing a Masters of Arts paper by GAIL AVRIL RÖTHLIN. I'll simply ask future readers to ponder why Grena's work is invalid for Wikipedia if a paper published by an academic institution ( University of South Africa) factually cites his "fringe" self-published book 8 times (alongside the works of James B. Pritchard and William F. Albright, and commends him with, "hope I have done justice to his comments. Although George Grena is not affiliated with any academic institution, I would like to express my admiration for his research", and that Grena's book "covers every conceivable aspect pertaining to" LMLK seals.-- Funhistory ( talk) 23:42, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
For those interested in the subject, Rothlin's MA 2009 MA paper was formally published in an article co-authored with her prof. (Magdel le Roux) in Verbum et Ecclesia vol. 34, no. 2 (2013). [1]
References
Per the previous discussion regarding the removal of Grena references by Weller, I am not going to change the misleading/misrepresentative revisions performed last week (2020-10-31) by PeakAsian, which added Khirbet Qeiyafa to the top of the Sites and quantities section with a total of 692, & changed the previous total from 1,716 to 2,408 citing a popular-level 2018 book by Garfinkel, Ganor, Hasel ("In the Footsteps of King David"). This quantity represents the primitive depression-mark handles published by Hoo-Goo Kang and Yosef Garfinkel in Levant vol. 47 no. 2 (2015), "Finger-impressed jar handles at Khirbet Qeiyafa: new light on administration in the Kingdom of Judah", p. 188 (actual total of 693 reported). It's unfortunate that this editor would make such a prominent change without knowing the difference between these typologically, stylistically, chronologically distinct artifacts. I'm simply noting the problem here in case anyone cares about the integrity of this Wikipedia entry.-- Funhistory ( talk) 02:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)