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Currently LGBT articles are mostly conflated with gay male topics. While the lesbian, bisexual and transgender articles are about these specific communities/cultures, there is no one article about the gay male community/culture. The "gay" article is only about the word "gay." Wikipedia should differentiate LGBT culture/community and gay male culture/community out of respect for the other LGBT communities. I don't know how to do that. I'm new here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tornado66 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
This article is just a collection of hilarious cliches. I am just having a laugh reading it but it is quite sad that so much prejudice can be laid down in such a few words! Bravo Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.107.232 ( talk) 17:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The article states that bisexual culture "emphasizes opposition to or disregard of fixed sexual and gender identity called monosexism..."
This is completely untrue. The bisexual culture does not emphasize opposition or disregard to monosexism, it emphasizes acceptance of bisexual culture. There may be some members of the bisexual community which may believe that monosexuality does not truly exist, but that's a far cry from the community as a whole standing in opposition to it or disregarding it. I cast my vote with a complete rewrite of this article due to biased and unfounded contentions. Shayalon ( talk) 21:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
This article does not merit a place on wikipedia it is biased and unacademic. It should be moved into the LGBT section. The term queer is also highly debated - it is not, in my opinion, appropriate for use in an academic article being a term of hatred and abuse assumed by a small proportion of the gay community, but rejected by an equally large segment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.234.62 ( talk) 05:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
The section on gay men's culture reads like an angry high-school essay, it needs a complete revamp, the entire article is in dire need of an expert on the issue, as it stands now it doesn't belong on Wikipedia at all. I'm going to request one of the LGBT professors at BU take a look at this one, if that fails then I'll beging to edit it myself, insofar as eliminating the obvious bias in tone that the article has now.
And I quote:
"The men's costumes were designed by a man, the dance was choreographed by a man, and the dancers seem more interested in each other than in Russell, but her reassuring presence gets the sequence past the censors and fits it into an overall heterocentric theme."
This illustrates my point pretty clearly. Celareon ( talk) 13:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Celareon ( talk • contribs) 13:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the term gay culture was sometimes used when refering to the elements of the Roman Catholic clergy that to do not respect the celibacy rule and that are perceived as morally corrupt. While many of the corrupted clergymen are not homosexual and are otherwise involved in heterosexual affairs, the controversies surrounding the homosexual clerical culture are particularly acute because several public commentators have openly made links between homosexual clerics and the recent pedophile priest scandal. [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26940] ADM ( talk) 06:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Many gay fantasy characters include cowboys, police officers, soldiers, jocks, construction workers, plummers, etc. Should something about this be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.245.190 ( talk) 20:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The lead section starts: "LGBT culture, or queer culture, is the common culture...". This is akin to saying: "A liquid is a state of matter when it's liquid". This is an Encyclopedia, and as such it is not supposed to have, or accept, stupid definitions. -- AVM ( talk) 22:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a specific article about drug abuse in the LGBT community. I'm not saying this in a negative or discriminatory way, but many researchers have in fact found that the problem of drug abuse is at least 20-25 % more common among gays, lesbians or transsexuals. [1] [2] ADM ( talk) 18:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
How come no mention of Intersex people? In Australia we usually include them in the acronym LGBTI. Tooironic ( talk) 23:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The result was Merge Lionel ( talk) 04:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
User:Schrandit has proposed that the article
Youth Pride be merged into this article.
Someone just added a huge block of text detailing a series of gay rights public rallies and meetings for young people. While this is an important topic, having what is essentially a big, disorganized list of events fill an article isn't really helpful. I would rather just have a few short sentences about that X,Y,Z events occur and not have a big list of events. Sugar-Baby-Love ( talk) 20:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I think it's preferable to use "a" when describing LGBT culture instead of "the". "The" implies that there is a singular LGBT culture, when there isn't. LGBT culture varies from region to region, which the lead mentions.-- Beijingdemocracy ( talk) 22:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I did a thorough pass-through the article for spelling, grammar, and mechanics errors, of which I think I generally caught and fixed almost all. There remain major issues for the article, particularly needing a more encyclopedic style in several sections, and some statements lacking reliable references. There's also probably a lot of good information that could be found, added, and updated.
I believe we can remove the "copy edit|date=January 2012" template from the top because the problems are information and style now, not spelling, grammar, or mechanics. -- Ryvr ( talk) 19:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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"In 2010, the repeal of the Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT)[99] was a great step in the inclusion of lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals in the military. “The repeal of DADT reversed the practice of discharging LGB service members on the basis of sexual identity.” Although this was a large shift in policy by the U.S. for those identifying as LGB, those who are transgender are still not fully included in this change.
Some challenges that transgender people face post-DADT are “changing their name to align with their gender identity, changing their sex designation in official documentation and records, encouraging appropriate pronoun use, and obtaining appropriate medical services” (Levy et al., 2015; Parco et al., 2015a, 2015b).[100] Another challenge that they face is Transphobia which is “the intense dislike of prejudice against transsexual or transgender people” (Hill & Willoughby)."
Unencyclopedic and American-centrist. "Great" and "Challenge" are both not NPOV. Viciouspiggy ( talk) 10:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
LGBT culture is a culture shared by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender, questioning, and queer individuals. It is sometimes referred to as queer culture (indicating people who are queer), while the term gay culture may be used to mean "LGBT culture" or to refer specifically to homosexual culture.
The disagreement appears to be over what "queer" really means; if it's a slur or a catchall term for the LGBTQA+ community. puggo ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
is sometimes referred to as queer culture. Just like in the subsequent sentence where it describes it sometimes being referred to wholesale as gay culture, despite not all LGBT people being gay/using the word to describe themselves. -- Equivamp - talk 02:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
This section under ‘criticism’ is in dire need of a clean up and reduction in size. It has about 20 citations which are only relevant to Spain. Sxologist ( talk) 14:37, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
This article has serious issues with many topics being out of scope. See WP:SCOPE. This article is about LGBT culture, not about every single group that could also be LGBT. There is currently a section called "other LGBT groups", with a section about people who are LGBT and happen to be deaf or are bi-gender.
This article is NOT a place to put a list or explanation of different sexualities or identities. This article is here to cover different cultures among LGBT people in general. Areas relating to different ethnicities must focus on culture. It is perfectly reasonable to have a section about African American or Hispanic LGBT cultures. However, this is not the place to put statistics about how many Latina or black people identify as LGBT. That has nothing to do with culture and is already covered by other pages on wikipedia. For this reason I am adding cleanup tags and notes where necessary. -- Sxologist ( talk) 15:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
If anybody is looking to expand this article, this is a useful and reputable book: Exploring LGBT Spaces and Communities: Contrasting Identities, Belongings and Wellbeing by Eleanor Formby. However only 35 pages are available on Google books. Sxologist ( talk) 00:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
What it says on the tin. Also another proposal to do with the historiography of queer identities. I think it's important to get as many opinions about these proposals as possible, so I hope it's okay that I'm "advertising" here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexid523 ( talk • contribs) 19:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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Currently LGBT articles are mostly conflated with gay male topics. While the lesbian, bisexual and transgender articles are about these specific communities/cultures, there is no one article about the gay male community/culture. The "gay" article is only about the word "gay." Wikipedia should differentiate LGBT culture/community and gay male culture/community out of respect for the other LGBT communities. I don't know how to do that. I'm new here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tornado66 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
This article is just a collection of hilarious cliches. I am just having a laugh reading it but it is quite sad that so much prejudice can be laid down in such a few words! Bravo Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.107.232 ( talk) 17:50, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The article states that bisexual culture "emphasizes opposition to or disregard of fixed sexual and gender identity called monosexism..."
This is completely untrue. The bisexual culture does not emphasize opposition or disregard to monosexism, it emphasizes acceptance of bisexual culture. There may be some members of the bisexual community which may believe that monosexuality does not truly exist, but that's a far cry from the community as a whole standing in opposition to it or disregarding it. I cast my vote with a complete rewrite of this article due to biased and unfounded contentions. Shayalon ( talk) 21:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
This article does not merit a place on wikipedia it is biased and unacademic. It should be moved into the LGBT section. The term queer is also highly debated - it is not, in my opinion, appropriate for use in an academic article being a term of hatred and abuse assumed by a small proportion of the gay community, but rejected by an equally large segment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.234.62 ( talk) 05:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
The section on gay men's culture reads like an angry high-school essay, it needs a complete revamp, the entire article is in dire need of an expert on the issue, as it stands now it doesn't belong on Wikipedia at all. I'm going to request one of the LGBT professors at BU take a look at this one, if that fails then I'll beging to edit it myself, insofar as eliminating the obvious bias in tone that the article has now.
And I quote:
"The men's costumes were designed by a man, the dance was choreographed by a man, and the dancers seem more interested in each other than in Russell, but her reassuring presence gets the sequence past the censors and fits it into an overall heterocentric theme."
This illustrates my point pretty clearly. Celareon ( talk) 13:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Celareon ( talk • contribs) 13:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the term gay culture was sometimes used when refering to the elements of the Roman Catholic clergy that to do not respect the celibacy rule and that are perceived as morally corrupt. While many of the corrupted clergymen are not homosexual and are otherwise involved in heterosexual affairs, the controversies surrounding the homosexual clerical culture are particularly acute because several public commentators have openly made links between homosexual clerics and the recent pedophile priest scandal. [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26940] ADM ( talk) 06:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Many gay fantasy characters include cowboys, police officers, soldiers, jocks, construction workers, plummers, etc. Should something about this be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.245.190 ( talk) 20:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The lead section starts: "LGBT culture, or queer culture, is the common culture...". This is akin to saying: "A liquid is a state of matter when it's liquid". This is an Encyclopedia, and as such it is not supposed to have, or accept, stupid definitions. -- AVM ( talk) 22:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I think there should be a specific article about drug abuse in the LGBT community. I'm not saying this in a negative or discriminatory way, but many researchers have in fact found that the problem of drug abuse is at least 20-25 % more common among gays, lesbians or transsexuals. [1] [2] ADM ( talk) 18:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
How come no mention of Intersex people? In Australia we usually include them in the acronym LGBTI. Tooironic ( talk) 23:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The result was Merge Lionel ( talk) 04:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
User:Schrandit has proposed that the article
Youth Pride be merged into this article.
Someone just added a huge block of text detailing a series of gay rights public rallies and meetings for young people. While this is an important topic, having what is essentially a big, disorganized list of events fill an article isn't really helpful. I would rather just have a few short sentences about that X,Y,Z events occur and not have a big list of events. Sugar-Baby-Love ( talk) 20:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I think it's preferable to use "a" when describing LGBT culture instead of "the". "The" implies that there is a singular LGBT culture, when there isn't. LGBT culture varies from region to region, which the lead mentions.-- Beijingdemocracy ( talk) 22:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
I did a thorough pass-through the article for spelling, grammar, and mechanics errors, of which I think I generally caught and fixed almost all. There remain major issues for the article, particularly needing a more encyclopedic style in several sections, and some statements lacking reliable references. There's also probably a lot of good information that could be found, added, and updated.
I believe we can remove the "copy edit|date=January 2012" template from the top because the problems are information and style now, not spelling, grammar, or mechanics. -- Ryvr ( talk) 19:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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"In 2010, the repeal of the Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT)[99] was a great step in the inclusion of lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals in the military. “The repeal of DADT reversed the practice of discharging LGB service members on the basis of sexual identity.” Although this was a large shift in policy by the U.S. for those identifying as LGB, those who are transgender are still not fully included in this change.
Some challenges that transgender people face post-DADT are “changing their name to align with their gender identity, changing their sex designation in official documentation and records, encouraging appropriate pronoun use, and obtaining appropriate medical services” (Levy et al., 2015; Parco et al., 2015a, 2015b).[100] Another challenge that they face is Transphobia which is “the intense dislike of prejudice against transsexual or transgender people” (Hill & Willoughby)."
Unencyclopedic and American-centrist. "Great" and "Challenge" are both not NPOV. Viciouspiggy ( talk) 10:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
LGBT culture is a culture shared by lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender, questioning, and queer individuals. It is sometimes referred to as queer culture (indicating people who are queer), while the term gay culture may be used to mean "LGBT culture" or to refer specifically to homosexual culture.
The disagreement appears to be over what "queer" really means; if it's a slur or a catchall term for the LGBTQA+ community. puggo ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
is sometimes referred to as queer culture. Just like in the subsequent sentence where it describes it sometimes being referred to wholesale as gay culture, despite not all LGBT people being gay/using the word to describe themselves. -- Equivamp - talk 02:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
This section under ‘criticism’ is in dire need of a clean up and reduction in size. It has about 20 citations which are only relevant to Spain. Sxologist ( talk) 14:37, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
This article has serious issues with many topics being out of scope. See WP:SCOPE. This article is about LGBT culture, not about every single group that could also be LGBT. There is currently a section called "other LGBT groups", with a section about people who are LGBT and happen to be deaf or are bi-gender.
This article is NOT a place to put a list or explanation of different sexualities or identities. This article is here to cover different cultures among LGBT people in general. Areas relating to different ethnicities must focus on culture. It is perfectly reasonable to have a section about African American or Hispanic LGBT cultures. However, this is not the place to put statistics about how many Latina or black people identify as LGBT. That has nothing to do with culture and is already covered by other pages on wikipedia. For this reason I am adding cleanup tags and notes where necessary. -- Sxologist ( talk) 15:30, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
If anybody is looking to expand this article, this is a useful and reputable book: Exploring LGBT Spaces and Communities: Contrasting Identities, Belongings and Wellbeing by Eleanor Formby. However only 35 pages are available on Google books. Sxologist ( talk) 00:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
What it says on the tin. Also another proposal to do with the historiography of queer identities. I think it's important to get as many opinions about these proposals as possible, so I hope it's okay that I'm "advertising" here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexid523 ( talk • contribs) 19:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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