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I don't really think Napoleon Dynamite would qualify as LDS cinema. It's made by mostly BYU grads, but it's not any more targeted towards the LDS population than any other group.
Explain how Napoleon Dynamite doesn't qualify, but Pride and Prejudice does... Napoleon only became a hit outside of LDS circles by sheer dumb luck when Fox Searchlight Pictures chose to distribute it well after the film had been produced. Can you honestly tell me someone as uniquely bizarre as Napoleon could be anything other than a Mormon that's whacked out a bit? How is Napoleon to be distinguished from Saints and Soldiers? What sort of criteria is: "overtly" about LDS? There are many reasons to consider Napoleon as "LDS Cinema" besides the narrow criteria proffered so far. (Keep in mind, I add things just to play devil's advocate sometimes just to flesh out the issue.)
Mr. Dynamite is an LDS film because the guy that made it studied filmmaking at BYU. I'm pretty sure he dropped out without graduating but that doesn't matter. It's sort of like gum. You get this sticky gunk on the bottom of your shoe, you track it into your house. Doesn't matter whether you deserve it or not; it's yours now. Friendly Person 12:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
If the definition of LDS cinema included here is to stand, then it would seem to include older moview like Brigham Young (1940). And surely, Latter Days (2003) would qualify under this standard, even though it's not BYU Date-Nite material, because it deals with Mormon themes. And what about documentaries? If we want to include all cinema on LDS themes, we have to include the good, the bad, and the ugly (not the Clint Eastwood movie, of course). COGDEN 01:47, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
The Testaments of One Fold and One Shepherd is in the category of LDS cinema. This is contrary to the definition given in the LDS cinema article. I think that movies produced by the LDS Church for proselytizing or seminary use should be in a category of their own. This is a category that the short movie Johnny Lingo would be in but the full-length motion picture would not be. What about these categories:
The first definition may or may not include Napoleon Dynamite, The Other Side of Heaven and Saints and Soldiers depending on subleties to be determined. (Personally, I think that the first doesn't but the others do.) The second definition would include the LDS Film Classics that have recently come out on DVD because the films were made at BYU for church purposes even though they mostly don't have people identifiable as LDS. The third definition would include commercial portrayals where a main character can be identified as mormon, and anti-Mormon films. When the category pages are produced, the category pages should be interlinked. Val42 02:56, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to be writing up an article for "Sons of Provo". This article lists the release date as 2005 whereas the IMDB lists it as 2004. Which is correct? Val42 20:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Since they are presumably going to make one movie for each book, there will be nine entries. Should we continue to list movies strictly chronologically? I have another suggestion: For movies with multiple installments, they can all be listed as an indented list under the first (released) movie. So far, this could also be applied to God's Army. It will soon be applicable to The Singles Ward, and hopefully The Book of Mormon Movie. Val42 05:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Where is the article on just general Christian cinema that would basically be the parent to this? I was looking for it while working on List of entertainers in Christian media and couldn't find it.-- T. Anthony 07:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I just watched Sister Act this evening. I think that Sister Act and Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit belongs in the Catholic Cinema category like The Other Side of Heaven belongs in the LDS cinema category. Along with Cloud Ten Pictures, this would give us three items that would belong in the supercategory. Anybody have any counterarguments? Val42 05:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Yesterday, I created the article for the " Down and Derby" movie. It is related to LDS Cinema (because it is distributed by Excel Entertainment Group) but is definitely not in this category. But I figured that people who are interested in this category would also be interested in this movie. Please review the article. Val42 19:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
This movie belongs here in some category. And it needs its own article. -- 66.89.103.34 23:29, March 13, 2006 (UTC)
This movie is a HaleStorm production, stars Kirby Heyborne, Corbin Allred and several others who have been in other LDS cinema productions, but there are no LDS characters in the film. I think that this was aiming for a larger audience. But does this still belong in this category? If not, where would you suggest that it go? Val42 05:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
The article as it stands at present (2007 May 10) carries this text: "The Other Side of Heaven — 2001. Not by an LDS studio. Although special pains were taken to remove overt LDS references, it is often counted as LDS cinema because it was brought to fruition by an LDS producer." This doesn't seem quite apt. The movie is about an LDS missionary in Tonga. I don't see how anybody could watch the movie and be unaware of this, unless they slept thru the whole movie. I suggest that the above text should read instead, "The Other Side of Heaven — 2001. Not by an LDS studio, but it is often counted as LDS cinema because it is about an LDS missionary." Friendly Person 02:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This morning, Frecklefoot removed the "Horror" section that contained:
with the comment:
I disagree with the comment. I think that Dutcher could still produce a film that would be considered LDS Cinema; the definition for this category has never really been nailed down. However, I think that this item still should be removed because it is too far from release.
But I started this subject to discuss when/whether Familiar Spirits should be included. It is listed on LDS Film.com. I'm thinking that because it has been screened at the LDS Film Festival in January 2007, it could be included. Val42 20:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The article states that the LDS cinema movement began in 1999, but what about the Saturday's Warrior film that was released in 1989?
Although it was based on a play, I think this film is worth mentioning. Am I wrong? - Tea and Crumpets ( Talk - contribs) 13:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
What about the forthcoming film Meet the Mormons (released 10/10/2014)? Produced by the LDS church, does it qualify as "LDS cinema"? Source: http://meetthemormons.com/ — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 23:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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I don't really think Napoleon Dynamite would qualify as LDS cinema. It's made by mostly BYU grads, but it's not any more targeted towards the LDS population than any other group.
Explain how Napoleon Dynamite doesn't qualify, but Pride and Prejudice does... Napoleon only became a hit outside of LDS circles by sheer dumb luck when Fox Searchlight Pictures chose to distribute it well after the film had been produced. Can you honestly tell me someone as uniquely bizarre as Napoleon could be anything other than a Mormon that's whacked out a bit? How is Napoleon to be distinguished from Saints and Soldiers? What sort of criteria is: "overtly" about LDS? There are many reasons to consider Napoleon as "LDS Cinema" besides the narrow criteria proffered so far. (Keep in mind, I add things just to play devil's advocate sometimes just to flesh out the issue.)
Mr. Dynamite is an LDS film because the guy that made it studied filmmaking at BYU. I'm pretty sure he dropped out without graduating but that doesn't matter. It's sort of like gum. You get this sticky gunk on the bottom of your shoe, you track it into your house. Doesn't matter whether you deserve it or not; it's yours now. Friendly Person 12:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
If the definition of LDS cinema included here is to stand, then it would seem to include older moview like Brigham Young (1940). And surely, Latter Days (2003) would qualify under this standard, even though it's not BYU Date-Nite material, because it deals with Mormon themes. And what about documentaries? If we want to include all cinema on LDS themes, we have to include the good, the bad, and the ugly (not the Clint Eastwood movie, of course). COGDEN 01:47, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
The Testaments of One Fold and One Shepherd is in the category of LDS cinema. This is contrary to the definition given in the LDS cinema article. I think that movies produced by the LDS Church for proselytizing or seminary use should be in a category of their own. This is a category that the short movie Johnny Lingo would be in but the full-length motion picture would not be. What about these categories:
The first definition may or may not include Napoleon Dynamite, The Other Side of Heaven and Saints and Soldiers depending on subleties to be determined. (Personally, I think that the first doesn't but the others do.) The second definition would include the LDS Film Classics that have recently come out on DVD because the films were made at BYU for church purposes even though they mostly don't have people identifiable as LDS. The third definition would include commercial portrayals where a main character can be identified as mormon, and anti-Mormon films. When the category pages are produced, the category pages should be interlinked. Val42 02:56, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to be writing up an article for "Sons of Provo". This article lists the release date as 2005 whereas the IMDB lists it as 2004. Which is correct? Val42 20:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Since they are presumably going to make one movie for each book, there will be nine entries. Should we continue to list movies strictly chronologically? I have another suggestion: For movies with multiple installments, they can all be listed as an indented list under the first (released) movie. So far, this could also be applied to God's Army. It will soon be applicable to The Singles Ward, and hopefully The Book of Mormon Movie. Val42 05:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Where is the article on just general Christian cinema that would basically be the parent to this? I was looking for it while working on List of entertainers in Christian media and couldn't find it.-- T. Anthony 07:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I just watched Sister Act this evening. I think that Sister Act and Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit belongs in the Catholic Cinema category like The Other Side of Heaven belongs in the LDS cinema category. Along with Cloud Ten Pictures, this would give us three items that would belong in the supercategory. Anybody have any counterarguments? Val42 05:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Yesterday, I created the article for the " Down and Derby" movie. It is related to LDS Cinema (because it is distributed by Excel Entertainment Group) but is definitely not in this category. But I figured that people who are interested in this category would also be interested in this movie. Please review the article. Val42 19:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
This movie belongs here in some category. And it needs its own article. -- 66.89.103.34 23:29, March 13, 2006 (UTC)
This movie is a HaleStorm production, stars Kirby Heyborne, Corbin Allred and several others who have been in other LDS cinema productions, but there are no LDS characters in the film. I think that this was aiming for a larger audience. But does this still belong in this category? If not, where would you suggest that it go? Val42 05:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
The article as it stands at present (2007 May 10) carries this text: "The Other Side of Heaven — 2001. Not by an LDS studio. Although special pains were taken to remove overt LDS references, it is often counted as LDS cinema because it was brought to fruition by an LDS producer." This doesn't seem quite apt. The movie is about an LDS missionary in Tonga. I don't see how anybody could watch the movie and be unaware of this, unless they slept thru the whole movie. I suggest that the above text should read instead, "The Other Side of Heaven — 2001. Not by an LDS studio, but it is often counted as LDS cinema because it is about an LDS missionary." Friendly Person 02:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
This morning, Frecklefoot removed the "Horror" section that contained:
with the comment:
I disagree with the comment. I think that Dutcher could still produce a film that would be considered LDS Cinema; the definition for this category has never really been nailed down. However, I think that this item still should be removed because it is too far from release.
But I started this subject to discuss when/whether Familiar Spirits should be included. It is listed on LDS Film.com. I'm thinking that because it has been screened at the LDS Film Festival in January 2007, it could be included. Val42 20:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The article states that the LDS cinema movement began in 1999, but what about the Saturday's Warrior film that was released in 1989?
Although it was based on a play, I think this film is worth mentioning. Am I wrong? - Tea and Crumpets ( Talk - contribs) 13:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
What about the forthcoming film Meet the Mormons (released 10/10/2014)? Produced by the LDS church, does it qualify as "LDS cinema"? Source: http://meetthemormons.com/ — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 23:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:LDS fiction which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 10:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)