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The term 'center' in this case is incorrect. It should be 'centre', center being the middle of a circle. Centre being a building or gathering place.
203.91.245.98 22:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Dean
The terms Center or Centre means the same thing. Just depends on where you live. Canadians use Centre while Americans use Center. -- Arobertson 21:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. It should remain Center. 72.75.208.176 05:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The external links should stay. iGames and the other LAN Center listing sites provide valuable information. If you are trying to prevent businesses from promoting themselves, then you should also remove the photographs of any existing LAN Gaming Businesses. Also remove the all of the links in the LAN Gaming Description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.106.129 ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
JonHarder We all disagree with you and your link removal, the links provide a huge resource of information about LAN centers.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.251.114 ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I like the way this discussion is moving, but I suggest that the remaining links be replaced with
This site also has many of the deleted links and anyone should be free to add their favorite links to that site. It is the solution used in many articles to solve this sort of problem. Does anyone see a problem going in this direction? JonHarder 00:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
(resetting indent) dmoz not working isn't a reason to add the links back in - Wikpipedia is not a directory. The dmoz link is a sop. If it's not working there's no problem with getting rid of it and having this simply be an encyclopedia article, instead of a place for LAN gaming participants to use as a directory. External links should be to sites that add encyclopedic value, a list of currently open gaming centers isn't encyclopedic information. -- Siobhan Hansa 12:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks like a certain few editors are looking to single out this article for some reason take a look at LAN party and see if that article follows the wikipedia guidelines. 66.93.251.126 06:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
This discussion has enveloped the LAN Party page which, until JonHarder got involved, had a small and relevant selection of links, the purpose of which was decided 3 years ago and had been well maintained up until then. Again, the arguement of linking to DMOZ was brought up despite the same arguements presented here - DMOZ being unreliable and of low quality. I know some of you are on your crusade against external links, but there are some external links which are indeed relevant to an article and as you can see from the response here and over in the LAN Party discussion page, there is support for these external links. Thanks for reading, Murray-Mint-UK 10:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone should:
Thanx. 68.39.174.238 22:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
There is renewed disagreement about the value and appropriateness of a link to the iGames website. Over the last several months, a link to that website plus others have been added and removed at least two dozens times. The activity has been quite contentious at times, with deceptive edit summaries, personal attacks and other unfortunate behavior. A majority of reinsertions (18) have been done by five IP addresses assigned to Games Plus, Inc (the 66.93.251.112/28 block), editors demonstrating affiliation with Games Plus and other users who have appeared only or mainly to edit this article. The latest reinsertion is to iGames search forms for "finding a center."
I continue to believe that the DMOZ site is sufficient, that the iGames link is not a helpful addition and should be removed. The iGames site has an objectionable amount of advertising and prominently solicits signup. The iGames site is easily found in the DMOZ listing, so it is doesn't need to be duplicated here. The article mentions nothing about searching for or finding a center, so apparently that aspect is not particularly relevant; the article does not demand the link. In a sense, the main text of the article should drive the links or the links section just becomes a repository. As the policy states, Wikipedia is not the white pages or the yellow pages. ✤ JonHarder talk 19:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank goodness we have JonHarder to save us from ourselves! Time to award another WikiMedal! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.34.228 ( talk • contribs) 03:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Revisting the Exterenal Links. iGames is of unequivical value to this artcile. iGames is the ONLY way to get licenses to run EA, Micrsoft, Sony, Ubisoft, etc Games. Beyond that iGames is an alliance of lan centers that has over 500 lan centers in it and holds competitive events, etc. I also added links to the Valve Cyber Cafe Program from Valve Games and the Blizzard Game Center program- these programs only offer licensing though. Do not delete the links again. Mwarhead 01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
DMOZ is a poorly laid out directory that lists only a very small precent of the over 500 lan centers just in the United States and Canada alone. I attempted to add many centers to it in the past to find the submit url was broken at the time (although is now working). If I were to manually add all of the centers to it then it wouldnt be useful as it doesn't categorize them. A listing by State and country is much much much more useful. IF we are not going to be linking to many sites, why not link to one thats actually useful.
Mwarhead
01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been asked to get involved here and I am. judging by most other articles here on wikipedia the external link he is trying to get added is very appropriate, further I think a link to the igames should be added aswell. BigTimeGamer 00:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
A few things here. A. That's not my website. B. I am no way a part of LanAtomic.com other then I use it to find LAN Gaming Centers. C. Why would you link to a site thats not helpful instead of one that is? Obviously you have no clue about anything on this subject mater and I find it offensive that you are telling people that do what we should put in the article. I request that a higher moderator intervene and no futurer actions be taken by the current moderators. Mwarhead 01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I happen to have read over WP:EL throughly before putting my 2 cents into this article and the links in question fit the standards of WP:EL to the T. BigTimeGamer 01:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Then remove DMOZ as well because it does not in any way shape or form represent an quality or useful external link. Mwarhead 01:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, per the above discussion, the DMOZ has a quasi consensus to stay and therefore no consensus to remove. On the other hand, your links have been removed and complained about by many editors.
-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)
01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This was posted in my user page
"== combative behavior ==
If you continue your disruptive, combative and Uncivil behavior behavior, you will be blocked. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)"
Chris I did not start the combative or disruptive behavior. I simply intended to improve a VERY poor article. I stated my reasons for the changes to the article several times and asked for a written statement as to why the link did not meet the external linking requirements (which it appears to meet those requirements the best it can) in both the talk pages for the Lan Gaming Center and in private messages to both the moderators. Neither moderator provided a reason other then to try and defend DMOZ. In that line of thinking you could have added both links. The moderators involved continually reverted the article after it had been edited by many sources to remove the DMOZ link and add a better equivalent. It seems to me that this is combative, but the moderators vs. the contributors. Every single contributor is in agreement that there should be either no links or a link to LanAtomic. The moderators seem to be the only ones in agreement that it should stay.
I ask again that the moderators actually research Lan Gaming Centers and then come back and add to the discussion instead of hindering those that actually know what they are talking about. Mwarhead 03:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Chris, I asked and requested an outside moderator to come in and make a decission on what is being discussed here. As you can read above the concensus by the moderators is the keep the DMOZ link. The consensus by the actual article contributors is that the DMOZ link is of poor quality and either should replaced with a higher quality link like LanAtomic or not used at all. Mwarhead 03:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a few questions:
What are the guidelines for posting images in an article on Wikipedia? I assume we need permission (should be easy enough to get), outside of that what other conditions are there?
Also are there any rules regarding references?
I have edited the article and tagged it for not citing references. I have also tagged this discussion page to note that LAN Gaming Centers are a big part of Profession Gaming which should be mentioned in the article somewhere when improved. Mwarhead 13:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This article fails to show what a LAN Gaming Center is and IMO it should be rewritten with proper references.
I don't know why editors discard the IGames directory or LANAtomic as accurate reference to LAN Centers around the world and take DMOZ which is extremely innacurate.
Someone suggested to merge this with PC Bang. That would be a mistake. The term PCBang comes from the Korean LAN Gaming centers, which is a regional term for the more generic LAN Gaming Center name.
The article is justified as people I know had assignments from their business classes and they chose to make a paper on LAN Gaming centers. Unfortunately, with these back and forth issues, my friends are frustrated as Wikipedia is not a good resource for this particular matter. I hope the issues are corrected and the proper references and links are in place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.91.172.36 ( talk) 16:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Please place the content and ideas of the article rewrite if anyone has something to contribute to it. it should be placed here and name the references. So we can get this up smoothly. Ph3onix ( talk) 00:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm I remember an article (can't remember if I created it) about a more general 'video game center' - ie a modern arcade. I was thinking if anything this "Lan Gaming Center" would be merged into that, not the other way around. A video game center is a more overarching term, sorta more appropriate.... but then again video game center would make it seem too much like video arcade which is totally not applicable. Kopf1988 ( talk) 13:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
So, which one should should be included. I'd say iGames because
Kopf1988 ( talk) 23:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC) I'm going to have to say lanatomic should stay.
Omegacommand ( talk) 19:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Igames, but if not the should both stay. Freakdomination ( talk) 07:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
"The first LAN Gaming Centre [..] opened in 2006" This is a joke right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HalifaxRage ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states "Centers are starting to offer PS3s, Wiis and Xbox 360s that are playable in store." Considering these systems are 8 years old, this statement reeks of age. Should'nt this be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpinium ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
This article is probably 15 years out of date, based on the citations, and provides little but a historical perspective. should be removed maybe 2601:340:C400:400:717C:F425:5EC2:C61B ( talk) 05:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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The term 'center' in this case is incorrect. It should be 'centre', center being the middle of a circle. Centre being a building or gathering place.
203.91.245.98 22:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Dean
The terms Center or Centre means the same thing. Just depends on where you live. Canadians use Centre while Americans use Center. -- Arobertson 21:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. It should remain Center. 72.75.208.176 05:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
The external links should stay. iGames and the other LAN Center listing sites provide valuable information. If you are trying to prevent businesses from promoting themselves, then you should also remove the photographs of any existing LAN Gaming Businesses. Also remove the all of the links in the LAN Gaming Description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.106.129 ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
JonHarder We all disagree with you and your link removal, the links provide a huge resource of information about LAN centers.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.251.114 ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I like the way this discussion is moving, but I suggest that the remaining links be replaced with
This site also has many of the deleted links and anyone should be free to add their favorite links to that site. It is the solution used in many articles to solve this sort of problem. Does anyone see a problem going in this direction? JonHarder 00:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
(resetting indent) dmoz not working isn't a reason to add the links back in - Wikpipedia is not a directory. The dmoz link is a sop. If it's not working there's no problem with getting rid of it and having this simply be an encyclopedia article, instead of a place for LAN gaming participants to use as a directory. External links should be to sites that add encyclopedic value, a list of currently open gaming centers isn't encyclopedic information. -- Siobhan Hansa 12:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Looks like a certain few editors are looking to single out this article for some reason take a look at LAN party and see if that article follows the wikipedia guidelines. 66.93.251.126 06:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
This discussion has enveloped the LAN Party page which, until JonHarder got involved, had a small and relevant selection of links, the purpose of which was decided 3 years ago and had been well maintained up until then. Again, the arguement of linking to DMOZ was brought up despite the same arguements presented here - DMOZ being unreliable and of low quality. I know some of you are on your crusade against external links, but there are some external links which are indeed relevant to an article and as you can see from the response here and over in the LAN Party discussion page, there is support for these external links. Thanks for reading, Murray-Mint-UK 10:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Someone should:
Thanx. 68.39.174.238 22:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
There is renewed disagreement about the value and appropriateness of a link to the iGames website. Over the last several months, a link to that website plus others have been added and removed at least two dozens times. The activity has been quite contentious at times, with deceptive edit summaries, personal attacks and other unfortunate behavior. A majority of reinsertions (18) have been done by five IP addresses assigned to Games Plus, Inc (the 66.93.251.112/28 block), editors demonstrating affiliation with Games Plus and other users who have appeared only or mainly to edit this article. The latest reinsertion is to iGames search forms for "finding a center."
I continue to believe that the DMOZ site is sufficient, that the iGames link is not a helpful addition and should be removed. The iGames site has an objectionable amount of advertising and prominently solicits signup. The iGames site is easily found in the DMOZ listing, so it is doesn't need to be duplicated here. The article mentions nothing about searching for or finding a center, so apparently that aspect is not particularly relevant; the article does not demand the link. In a sense, the main text of the article should drive the links or the links section just becomes a repository. As the policy states, Wikipedia is not the white pages or the yellow pages. ✤ JonHarder talk 19:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank goodness we have JonHarder to save us from ourselves! Time to award another WikiMedal! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.34.228 ( talk • contribs) 03:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Revisting the Exterenal Links. iGames is of unequivical value to this artcile. iGames is the ONLY way to get licenses to run EA, Micrsoft, Sony, Ubisoft, etc Games. Beyond that iGames is an alliance of lan centers that has over 500 lan centers in it and holds competitive events, etc. I also added links to the Valve Cyber Cafe Program from Valve Games and the Blizzard Game Center program- these programs only offer licensing though. Do not delete the links again. Mwarhead 01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
DMOZ is a poorly laid out directory that lists only a very small precent of the over 500 lan centers just in the United States and Canada alone. I attempted to add many centers to it in the past to find the submit url was broken at the time (although is now working). If I were to manually add all of the centers to it then it wouldnt be useful as it doesn't categorize them. A listing by State and country is much much much more useful. IF we are not going to be linking to many sites, why not link to one thats actually useful.
Mwarhead
01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been asked to get involved here and I am. judging by most other articles here on wikipedia the external link he is trying to get added is very appropriate, further I think a link to the igames should be added aswell. BigTimeGamer 00:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
A few things here. A. That's not my website. B. I am no way a part of LanAtomic.com other then I use it to find LAN Gaming Centers. C. Why would you link to a site thats not helpful instead of one that is? Obviously you have no clue about anything on this subject mater and I find it offensive that you are telling people that do what we should put in the article. I request that a higher moderator intervene and no futurer actions be taken by the current moderators. Mwarhead 01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I happen to have read over WP:EL throughly before putting my 2 cents into this article and the links in question fit the standards of WP:EL to the T. BigTimeGamer 01:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Then remove DMOZ as well because it does not in any way shape or form represent an quality or useful external link. Mwarhead 01:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, per the above discussion, the DMOZ has a quasi consensus to stay and therefore no consensus to remove. On the other hand, your links have been removed and complained about by many editors.
-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)
01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This was posted in my user page
"== combative behavior ==
If you continue your disruptive, combative and Uncivil behavior behavior, you will be blocked. Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 01:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)"
Chris I did not start the combative or disruptive behavior. I simply intended to improve a VERY poor article. I stated my reasons for the changes to the article several times and asked for a written statement as to why the link did not meet the external linking requirements (which it appears to meet those requirements the best it can) in both the talk pages for the Lan Gaming Center and in private messages to both the moderators. Neither moderator provided a reason other then to try and defend DMOZ. In that line of thinking you could have added both links. The moderators involved continually reverted the article after it had been edited by many sources to remove the DMOZ link and add a better equivalent. It seems to me that this is combative, but the moderators vs. the contributors. Every single contributor is in agreement that there should be either no links or a link to LanAtomic. The moderators seem to be the only ones in agreement that it should stay.
I ask again that the moderators actually research Lan Gaming Centers and then come back and add to the discussion instead of hindering those that actually know what they are talking about. Mwarhead 03:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Chris, I asked and requested an outside moderator to come in and make a decission on what is being discussed here. As you can read above the concensus by the moderators is the keep the DMOZ link. The consensus by the actual article contributors is that the DMOZ link is of poor quality and either should replaced with a higher quality link like LanAtomic or not used at all. Mwarhead 03:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a few questions:
What are the guidelines for posting images in an article on Wikipedia? I assume we need permission (should be easy enough to get), outside of that what other conditions are there?
Also are there any rules regarding references?
I have edited the article and tagged it for not citing references. I have also tagged this discussion page to note that LAN Gaming Centers are a big part of Profession Gaming which should be mentioned in the article somewhere when improved. Mwarhead 13:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This article fails to show what a LAN Gaming Center is and IMO it should be rewritten with proper references.
I don't know why editors discard the IGames directory or LANAtomic as accurate reference to LAN Centers around the world and take DMOZ which is extremely innacurate.
Someone suggested to merge this with PC Bang. That would be a mistake. The term PCBang comes from the Korean LAN Gaming centers, which is a regional term for the more generic LAN Gaming Center name.
The article is justified as people I know had assignments from their business classes and they chose to make a paper on LAN Gaming centers. Unfortunately, with these back and forth issues, my friends are frustrated as Wikipedia is not a good resource for this particular matter. I hope the issues are corrected and the proper references and links are in place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.91.172.36 ( talk) 16:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
Please place the content and ideas of the article rewrite if anyone has something to contribute to it. it should be placed here and name the references. So we can get this up smoothly. Ph3onix ( talk) 00:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm I remember an article (can't remember if I created it) about a more general 'video game center' - ie a modern arcade. I was thinking if anything this "Lan Gaming Center" would be merged into that, not the other way around. A video game center is a more overarching term, sorta more appropriate.... but then again video game center would make it seem too much like video arcade which is totally not applicable. Kopf1988 ( talk) 13:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
So, which one should should be included. I'd say iGames because
Kopf1988 ( talk) 23:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC) I'm going to have to say lanatomic should stay.
Omegacommand ( talk) 19:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Igames, but if not the should both stay. Freakdomination ( talk) 07:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
"The first LAN Gaming Centre [..] opened in 2006" This is a joke right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HalifaxRage ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states "Centers are starting to offer PS3s, Wiis and Xbox 360s that are playable in store." Considering these systems are 8 years old, this statement reeks of age. Should'nt this be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serpinium ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
This article is probably 15 years out of date, based on the citations, and provides little but a historical perspective. should be removed maybe 2601:340:C400:400:717C:F425:5EC2:C61B ( talk) 05:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)