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My name is Anthony (Tony) Caporn and I would like to update Kwasi Kwarteng's wiki entry to keep it up-to-date. I currently manage Kwasi's web site www.kwasi4spelthorne.org.uk on behalf of Kwasi. Specifically I would like to add a Parliamentary Timeline for Kwasi's offices in Parliament (e.g. dates of membership of Select Committees and his latest government position) and to add books that Kwasi has authored as they are published. I did add the election result in May but nothing since. As Kwasi's Wiki entry is semi-protected I am unable to update it. Can you give me access to this page. Thank you Tony Caporn email: tony_caporn@btinternet.com
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Why was it removed? Stevan Mitnick ( talk) 12:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi WJ94, thanks for leaving this message. While I completely understand the BLP concerns that you may have, I would say that these concerns do not quite justify removing the content. Foremost, it is clear that sources could be found on that incident of the content being removed, and not only did Daily Mirror report about it, but sources such as TLDR and even Wikipedia's own logs can verify the Parliament edit. Ok, you may say that Wikipedia in itself is not an RS, but in this very situation, it is a reliable technical source just like court and government filings (after all our servers are renowned for being quite reliable). Another thing, which I'd say is arguably more fundamental to this issue, is whether this even falls under BLP. OK, I know that we're writing on a living person's Wiki page, but the crucial point is that BLP only covers claims made on a person or information about that person and themselves only, no matter if that claim is made on that person's personal wiki article or not. Interpreting this rule in plain language, the edit saying that stuff on his Wiki article got removed is neither. We are not making claims against him, it's just saying that someone else did it, and we aren't even talking ABOUT him, we're just talking about his Wikipedia article. Well I think if talking about a celebrity's pet dog doesn't fall under BLP, then talking about his article won't either? Webpages aren't living persons are they? I may be wrong so please correct me if necessary. I'll copy this to the article talk page for others' reference. Thanks!!WikiAviator talk 02:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
@ MrEarlGray: I agree with you that the material on Owen Patterson should not have been removed and I am pleased that it has been restored. I also agree that there is good reason to believe that the removal was done from someone within the House of Commons. If it helps, I probably share many of your political sensibilities. However, the question is whether the story of the Owen Patterson material being removed from Wikipedia should be included in this article. For reasons I have outlined already (and also will do so below), we have good reasons not to include this story in the article, however much we condemn the original actions which led to it.
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WikiAviator: I think you have misunderstood what BLP requires here. BLP requires that material challenged or likely to be challenged
needs to be supported with reliable sources, and that unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons
should be removed. That does apply in this case because by saying that Kwarteng's article was edited by an IP from within the house of commons (within a section which is critical of him), we implicitly suggest that Kwarteng was somehow involved in the removal, even if the article never explicitly says that. This would then fall under BLP. (In a similar way, a celebrity's dog does not necessarily fall under BLP, but writing that a celebrity's dog died due to neglect, even if one never explicitly blamed the celebrity for the death, would fall under BLP). @
Gobonobo also brought up
NOTNEWS, which is also a relevant policy here. If this story is important enough to include in Kwarteng's article, then it will be picked up by multiple reliable sources and we can include it. At present, this is not the case; there is no need for Wikipedia to be an early adopter for this story (in fact we should actively avoid this). What concerns me is that there is now reporting on our addition of the content removal story
[1]; our actions have become news which should not happen.
WJ94 (
talk) 09:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Is it worth noting that he was the last Chancellor of the Exchequer appointed during the reign of Elizabeth II as he was appointed less than 48 hours before her death. I am somewhat torn as to whether this is significant enough to be included or if it is veering towards trivia, so would appreciate the opinions of other editors Dunarc ( talk) 18:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
In the Kwai Kwarteng ‘Personal Information’ section someone has added vile racist abuse. It’s quite shocking tbh. 82.46.233.113 ( talk) 00:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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Add reference to stamp duty tax change: 0% up to first £250,000 of the property or lease premium or transfer value.
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Is the date of graduation correct? 2A02:C7E:56C9:A00:1D8B:FA72:ACDB:A704 ( talk) 20:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Kwasi Kwarteng was sacked by Prime Minister Liz Truss on the 14th of October 2022. 81.149.115.221 ( talk) 11:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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Kwarteng redirects here. Please indicate the name article.
Please add:
{{
redirect|Kwarteng|the name|Kwarteng (surname)}}
-- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 12:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Done WJ94 ( talk) 15:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Response to this edit summary in particular:
06:34, 23 October 2022 RedGrinchJr talk contribs 59,276 bytes −22
→Racial issues and colonialism: So whoever's sitting on this page has just enough wherewithal to reinstate spam writing but not to improve it in any way, even trimming one duplicate word? You know this section is a throwaway. I'll fix it while you play guard dog.
I just spent the last 15-60 minutes rewording the section you removed and adding new sources/content, as I stated I would in my edit summary. I believe my edits have fixed some of the biases and improved the section in contention. Thanks,
Unburnable (
talk) 06:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
No taxation without representation 90.252.211.157 ( talk) 18:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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My name is Anthony (Tony) Caporn and I would like to update Kwasi Kwarteng's wiki entry to keep it up-to-date. I currently manage Kwasi's web site www.kwasi4spelthorne.org.uk on behalf of Kwasi. Specifically I would like to add a Parliamentary Timeline for Kwasi's offices in Parliament (e.g. dates of membership of Select Committees and his latest government position) and to add books that Kwasi has authored as they are published. I did add the election result in May but nothing since. As Kwasi's Wiki entry is semi-protected I am unable to update it. Can you give me access to this page. Thank you Tony Caporn email: tony_caporn@btinternet.com
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Why was it removed? Stevan Mitnick ( talk) 12:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi WJ94, thanks for leaving this message. While I completely understand the BLP concerns that you may have, I would say that these concerns do not quite justify removing the content. Foremost, it is clear that sources could be found on that incident of the content being removed, and not only did Daily Mirror report about it, but sources such as TLDR and even Wikipedia's own logs can verify the Parliament edit. Ok, you may say that Wikipedia in itself is not an RS, but in this very situation, it is a reliable technical source just like court and government filings (after all our servers are renowned for being quite reliable). Another thing, which I'd say is arguably more fundamental to this issue, is whether this even falls under BLP. OK, I know that we're writing on a living person's Wiki page, but the crucial point is that BLP only covers claims made on a person or information about that person and themselves only, no matter if that claim is made on that person's personal wiki article or not. Interpreting this rule in plain language, the edit saying that stuff on his Wiki article got removed is neither. We are not making claims against him, it's just saying that someone else did it, and we aren't even talking ABOUT him, we're just talking about his Wikipedia article. Well I think if talking about a celebrity's pet dog doesn't fall under BLP, then talking about his article won't either? Webpages aren't living persons are they? I may be wrong so please correct me if necessary. I'll copy this to the article talk page for others' reference. Thanks!!WikiAviator talk 02:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
@ MrEarlGray: I agree with you that the material on Owen Patterson should not have been removed and I am pleased that it has been restored. I also agree that there is good reason to believe that the removal was done from someone within the House of Commons. If it helps, I probably share many of your political sensibilities. However, the question is whether the story of the Owen Patterson material being removed from Wikipedia should be included in this article. For reasons I have outlined already (and also will do so below), we have good reasons not to include this story in the article, however much we condemn the original actions which led to it.
@
WikiAviator: I think you have misunderstood what BLP requires here. BLP requires that material challenged or likely to be challenged
needs to be supported with reliable sources, and that unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons
should be removed. That does apply in this case because by saying that Kwarteng's article was edited by an IP from within the house of commons (within a section which is critical of him), we implicitly suggest that Kwarteng was somehow involved in the removal, even if the article never explicitly says that. This would then fall under BLP. (In a similar way, a celebrity's dog does not necessarily fall under BLP, but writing that a celebrity's dog died due to neglect, even if one never explicitly blamed the celebrity for the death, would fall under BLP). @
Gobonobo also brought up
NOTNEWS, which is also a relevant policy here. If this story is important enough to include in Kwarteng's article, then it will be picked up by multiple reliable sources and we can include it. At present, this is not the case; there is no need for Wikipedia to be an early adopter for this story (in fact we should actively avoid this). What concerns me is that there is now reporting on our addition of the content removal story
[1]; our actions have become news which should not happen.
WJ94 (
talk) 09:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Is it worth noting that he was the last Chancellor of the Exchequer appointed during the reign of Elizabeth II as he was appointed less than 48 hours before her death. I am somewhat torn as to whether this is significant enough to be included or if it is veering towards trivia, so would appreciate the opinions of other editors Dunarc ( talk) 18:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
In the Kwai Kwarteng ‘Personal Information’ section someone has added vile racist abuse. It’s quite shocking tbh. 82.46.233.113 ( talk) 00:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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Add reference to stamp duty tax change: 0% up to first £250,000 of the property or lease premium or transfer value.
Sources:
https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-land-tax/residential-property-rates
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-23/uk-stamp-duty-cut-when-will-it-start-how-much-is-the-reduction 82.28.185.171 ( talk) 06:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. EnIRtpf09b chat with me 09:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC).
Is the date of graduation correct? 2A02:C7E:56C9:A00:1D8B:FA72:ACDB:A704 ( talk) 20:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Kwasi Kwarteng was sacked by Prime Minister Liz Truss on the 14th of October 2022. 81.149.115.221 ( talk) 11:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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Kwarteng redirects here. Please indicate the name article.
Please add:
{{
redirect|Kwarteng|the name|Kwarteng (surname)}}
-- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 12:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Done WJ94 ( talk) 15:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Response to this edit summary in particular:
06:34, 23 October 2022 RedGrinchJr talk contribs 59,276 bytes −22
→Racial issues and colonialism: So whoever's sitting on this page has just enough wherewithal to reinstate spam writing but not to improve it in any way, even trimming one duplicate word? You know this section is a throwaway. I'll fix it while you play guard dog.
I just spent the last 15-60 minutes rewording the section you removed and adding new sources/content, as I stated I would in my edit summary. I believe my edits have fixed some of the biases and improved the section in contention. Thanks,
Unburnable (
talk) 06:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
No taxation without representation 90.252.211.157 ( talk) 18:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)