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Although similar terms, Kurmanji and Northern Kurmanji can refer to two distinct levels of the Kurdish language. Northern Kurmanji more precisely and accurately refers to a distinct dialect spoken and understood by one group of speakers. Kurmanji in contrast is a general term used by linguists to describe a language and several dialects that may or may not have evolved from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.70.250.61 ( talk) 22:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I believe that is a terrible source to use. The AINA is very anti-Kurdish in its stance, and I don't really think they are a reputable source in determining Kurdish linguistics. -- MercZ ( talk) 00:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to remove the edit as it seems it keeps being added back in, but I re-iterate the AINA isn't the best source to classify Kurdish language. For one thing, the article deals with the elections and only mentions the topic for purely political reasons, not educational. The rest of AINA seems to focus purely on Kurds did this, they did that, see how evil Kurds are?
-- MercZ ( talk) 19:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I have never heard something like this in the kurmanji dialect, that they put "n" before "j". Personally all kurds i know never say "tanj" they say "taj"
And in kurdish, when someone is descriebed as being non-religous/non-muslim they refer to them as "Macûs". This is the true form of "magi", not "manj", which means that the "Magi theory" above doesn't fit in at all because there is already a word for "Magi". example: "Ewê ha macûsî ye" English translation = "That guy over there is macusî". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.53.0 ( talk) 20:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
This article was listed as requiring copy-editing. However, the introduction contains no in-line citations, so I am requesting these beforehand. Bladeofgrass ( talk) 23:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The author forgot to mention that two districts in Erbil, Iraqi-Kurdistan, are predominately Kurmanji speakers. Mergasur and Soran. It is ironic that the predominate speaker of Soran are Kurmanji speakers as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.19.82 ( talk) 01:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
In the first sentence: Variant spellings are not automatically misspellings, especially in another language (English). -- Thnidu ( talk) 00:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
In Dialects is said: "Southwestern Kurmanji, spoken mainly in the Ağrı (Agirî), Erzurum (Erzerom) and Muş (Mûş) provinces of Turkey, as well as adjacent areas". But those places are in the northern side. Thus, Northern Kurmanji?-- 158.227.73.176 ( talk) 18:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is also a current move proposal at Talk:Southern Kurdish dialects#Requested move 15 June 2015. If that proposal is also adopted then we will be left with Northern Kurdish, Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish which has a certain appeal due to consistency. EdJohnston ( talk) 15:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Kurmanji Kurdish →
Northern Kurdish – Name of the wikipedia article should be Northern Kurdish and not Kurmanji Kurdish so that it matches Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish wikipedia pages Relisted. —
AjaxSmack 21:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC); —
Tayşeyî
19:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Suggest
Northern Kurdish dialects group"
Greg Kaye 08:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Varieties can be named by prepending a modifier to the name of the parent language, as at Standard German and African American Vernacular English. This is useful when there is disagreement as to whether a variety is an accent or a dialect, as at Estuary English, or a dialect or a separate language, as at Egyptian Arabic and Mandarin Chinese, or whether it constitutes a single dialect or several, as at Southern American English.So per this policy, it is not necessary to add "dialects" with the title, I have modified my !vote above to Strong Support move to "Northern Kurdish". There is also a separate move request open at Southern Kurdish dialects' talk page. If that also results in a move, then we will achieve total WP:CONSISTENCY between titles for the 3 Kurdish varieties ("Southern Kurdish", "Central Kurdish", and "Northern Kurdish"). Khestwol ( talk) 11:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Dear users From a historical and realistic point of view, the term " Northern Kurdish" instead of Kurmanji Kurdish seems strange and by fake. I think Wikipedia space is not an area to manipulate the historically and globally accepted subjects. -- Shadegan ( talk) 14:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) samee converse 19:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Northern Kurdish →
Kurmanji – It is better to moving the page to Kurmanji because the original name of the language is Kurmanji. According to western linguists there are three different
Kurdish languages and not an united „Kurdish“ for all Kurds. „Northern Kurdish“ is a term used by western linguists and Kurmanji is the original term used by the native speakers. Kurds generally claim that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect but the Yazidis who also speak Kurmanji called their language
Ezdiki (the Yazidi language).
Kaiduo (
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00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I hope people here know that the name change from Northern Kurdish to Kurmanji is because some users are trying to disassociate Yezidis from anything Kurdish (thus remove 'Kurdish' from this page'). This is clear Wikipedia:POV and should the page name be changed back 'Northern Kurdish'. We have Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish, so why change it? -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 15:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I am a kurd and fluent native kurmanji speaker. I don't know what the idea is behind rejecting the term "kurmanji". All northern kurds (called natively Kurmanj) call their language natively kurmanji. What is the meaning of hiding this? You live in a fantasy word and believe you do something good by rejecting the truth. This is clear your own POV and not NPOV. As one with origins from semsur as well I don't get why Ahmedo Semsurî want to hide the name "kurmanj", while all native Kurdish speakers of semsur call their language "kurmanji". Central Kurdish on the other hand is another case, since Sorani speaker natively don't use any term other than "kurdi". Also the difference between Central Kurdish (aka Sorani or kurdi nawendi) and Kurmanji are obvious language differences and not just dialect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojan98 ( talk • contribs) 05:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Jahmalm:, can you please answer these questions concerning your POV-edits?
Please reply soberly without calling me names. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 19:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus ( non-admin closure) Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 11:44, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Kurmanji →
Kurmanji Kurdish – The main reason that I request a move is partly because some users are exploiting the last name change to push for their POV which is removing the word "Kurdish" from the page (the user who requested the last move was indeed blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry and vandalism, including for his edits on
Kurmanji). Furthermore, calling it "Kurmanji Kurdish" is common in academic works
[8]
[9]
[10] and the name of this page was also "Kurmanji Kurdish" before 2015. I get that "Northern Kurdish" is less used academically, but there should be no contestation with this name move.
Ahmedo Semsurî (
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09:11, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Kurmanji is spoken in some parts of Erbil Governorate [1] It should be added to the badînî sub dialect section Akam Nawzad ( talk) 11:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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Change the Sinjar distinct in Iraq to the Sinjar district in Iraq, misspelling HornSpiel ( talk) 19:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Suggest changing “Naskh Arabic script” next to “Writing system” in the “Kurmanji” Infobox to just “Arabic script” since “Naskh” refers to a particular calligraphic style/hand that can be used to render Arabic script (just as Latin script can be rendered variously in Roman and Fraktur styles, for example), whereas I believe the point intended here is that Kurmanji can be written in Arabic script in addition to Latin script and Cyrillic script (and not that when written in Arabic script it is restricted to being rendered in Naskh style). — PowerPCG5 ( talk) 15:07, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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From the section Dialect continuum:
"Kurmanji forms a dialect continuum of great variability. Loosely, six subdialect areas can be distinguished:"
The cited source (Öpengin, Ergin; Haig, Geoffrey (2014), "Regional variation in Kurmanji: A preliminary classification of dialects", Kurdish Studies), however says that those are "dialects" of a language:
The cited source say:
From the abstract: "...This article aims at providing an initial classification of Kurmanji-internal variation into major regional dialects,.."
From the Introduction: "Like any other natural language, Kurmanji encompasses a considerable spectrum of regional variation. Yet within academia, regional variation in Kurmanji has been almost entirely neglected..."
Nice censorship....
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I have made the changes I propose. öpengin & haig changed revisited their classification and merged the 5 dialects into 3 main groups.-- Rojan98 ( talk) 22:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Last edits were undone by Semsûrî, claiming that it was unconstructive.
There is nothing such as "anatolian kurmanji" it is simply the same as southwestern and northwestern Kurmanji. The cited source [29] in the undone version by semsûrî lists 5 dialects and not 6 and states nothing about "anatolian kurmanji". And those 5 dialects were revised from 5 to 3 by the same scholars who are among the few academic who have works on kurmanji language. Eventhough I had source for this, it got deleted. -- Rojan98 ( talk) 16:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The current edited cited source [29] (Haig & Öpengin), revised their own work and merged their former 5 dialects into 3 dialects. I also suggest reverting the infobox, since its content is not even the same as the "dialect continuum" section. The subdialect in infobox are amateurish and not well sourced, simply made up from tribe names.
Also, kurmanji is not a "dialect continuum", that is why I added a source about that kurmanji there is a high level mutually intelligible accross dialects. A dialect continuum is a spread of language varieties spoken across some geographical area such that neighboring varieties differ only slightly, but the differences accumulate over distance so that widely separated varieties are not mutually intelligible.".
And again, your reverted source doesn't state anything about "anatolian kurmanji".-- Rojan98 ( talk) 16:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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I suggest revertinging the phonology section, since it was unconstrutively deleted and copied to "kurdish phonology" article by semsûrî. In the kurdish phonology article, sorani phonology and kurmanji phonology are merged into one single table wihtout source and making more confusion. -- Rojan98 ( talk) 16:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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I made another research, same goes for Georgia. Article 8.
A minority language is not same with educational language. There are lot of examples where are countries teaching with another language but it isn't actually their recognized minority language. ( talk) 23:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
I've checked the constitution of KRG, it says Kurdish is the official language. But which, Sorani or Kurmanci, or both? Beshogur ( talk) 10:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Add Rojava Kurmanji (Western Kurdish) as it is not present and is the dialect spoken in rojava. Vallee01 ( talk) 23:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello I am currently learning Kurmanji, please excuse the poor image quality here is a fluent Kurdish book on Kurmanji going over all the dialects, Shirzad Akadhi (The person who wrote this) has a PHD and a Masters in Kurdish is thereby reliable. Book Title: https://imgur.com/a/o42H7di Specific Section: https://imgur.com/a/o8mo9tk Vallee01 ( talk) 23:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Error in map legend, colour codes. Here is the information available on the map file:
Approximate distribution of the Kurdish and Zaza–Gorani languages
Wikarth ( talk) 21:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi!
I have a video of a Kurmanji speaker from Wikitongues and I was hoping to post it on the page but I only have just over 100 edits so I cannot. If you think that a video would enrich the page, it's on Wikimedia Commons and the file name is File:WIKITONGUES- Mohamad speaking Kurdish.webm .
Thank you and have a nice day, Jessica Britt ( talk) 05:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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They say that a specific city is not in Kurdistan and they didn't provide any sources for the claims. When they edited that they also changed the meaning of other things in that sentence. According to Kurdish Wikipedia, it is in Kurdistan and the location also makes that apparent. I'm pretty sure they didn't fix anything, only wanted to remove references of Kurdistan. -- Guherto ( talk) 20:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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Amed is the largest city with a Kurdish majority in Turkey, but it is not mentioned at all in the text. 91.125.142.96 ( talk) 05:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Êzdîkî should be split from Kurmanji since Êzdîkî is a recognized minority language in Armenia since May 2001 ( Page: 267). It also does not make sense to handle with the term in this page because this page claims that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect. This is the opposite of what the term Êzdîkî expresses. According to the definition of Êzdîkî, it is a distinct language. Therefore the term deserves an own page. Contentcu ( talk) 22:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Hivia bbya salak xam o eshanet sala bori zhbira ma bbai 93.91.196.154 ( talk) 21:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure when or why it started not matching the map, but now, basically none of the colors in the color key even appear in the map. This is the correct key, copied from the map's Wikimedia page:
I fully understand the necessity of locking this article; however, I do not have extended access. Would someone who does please correct the key? Mszegedy ( talk) 16:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please make the following addition to the ‘External links’ section of the article:
− | + | [https://doreco.huma-num.fr/languages/nort2641 Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji) DoReCo corpus] compiled by Geoff Haig, Maria Vollmer and Hanna Thiele. Audio recordings of narrative texts with transcriptions time-aligned at the phone level, translations, and time-aligned morphological annotations. |
Banhbidac ( talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello there,
Would it be possible to add the above to the ‘External links’ section of this page? The linked site hosts a collection of five audio recordings featuring narratives in Kurmanji (in other words a corpus). Each recording has been transcribed and translated word for word, and all the Kurmanji material is under a CC BY licence.
This Kurmanji corpus was compiled as part of the DoReCo project, which was jointly funded by academic grants from the French National Research Agency (ANR) and the German Research Foundation (DFG) in order to promote research on lesser-studied languages. For disclosure purposes, I am affiliated to a team of academics currently working on the data collected under the DoReCo project.
Thank you for your attention. Banhbidac ( talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
I came to this Wikipedia page because I was curious how many Kurmanji speakers there were, but all I could find in the article was the sentence, “It [Kurmanji] is the most widely spoken form of Kurdish” in the intro. Could someone add the number of speakers either to the infobox or into the body of the article? IMHO this seems to be a pretty basic piece of information that should be mentioned in an article about a language. ’preciate it — Arrandale Westmere ( talk) 08:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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" Ethnologue reports that the use of Kurmanji is declining in Turkey even when the language is used as a language of wider communication (LWC) by immigrants to Turkey, and that the language is threatened because it's speaker population is decreasing"
"it's" should be replaced with "its", or the sentence re-worded. I don't think LWC acronym is needed but this can stay if others disagree. 194.33.196.47 ( talk) 11:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Its a kurdish dialect and the section where you say dialects are actully accents and its not called sorani alphabet its called badini alphabet its also used in syria and also used in hakkari province and shirnax province this is according to kurditstan regional goverment eduction system Hogirkurdish15 ( talk) 15:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Although similar terms, Kurmanji and Northern Kurmanji can refer to two distinct levels of the Kurdish language. Northern Kurmanji more precisely and accurately refers to a distinct dialect spoken and understood by one group of speakers. Kurmanji in contrast is a general term used by linguists to describe a language and several dialects that may or may not have evolved from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.70.250.61 ( talk) 22:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I believe that is a terrible source to use. The AINA is very anti-Kurdish in its stance, and I don't really think they are a reputable source in determining Kurdish linguistics. -- MercZ ( talk) 00:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not going to remove the edit as it seems it keeps being added back in, but I re-iterate the AINA isn't the best source to classify Kurdish language. For one thing, the article deals with the elections and only mentions the topic for purely political reasons, not educational. The rest of AINA seems to focus purely on Kurds did this, they did that, see how evil Kurds are?
-- MercZ ( talk) 19:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I have never heard something like this in the kurmanji dialect, that they put "n" before "j". Personally all kurds i know never say "tanj" they say "taj"
And in kurdish, when someone is descriebed as being non-religous/non-muslim they refer to them as "Macûs". This is the true form of "magi", not "manj", which means that the "Magi theory" above doesn't fit in at all because there is already a word for "Magi". example: "Ewê ha macûsî ye" English translation = "That guy over there is macusî". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.53.0 ( talk) 20:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
This article was listed as requiring copy-editing. However, the introduction contains no in-line citations, so I am requesting these beforehand. Bladeofgrass ( talk) 23:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
The author forgot to mention that two districts in Erbil, Iraqi-Kurdistan, are predominately Kurmanji speakers. Mergasur and Soran. It is ironic that the predominate speaker of Soran are Kurmanji speakers as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.19.82 ( talk) 01:41, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
In the first sentence: Variant spellings are not automatically misspellings, especially in another language (English). -- Thnidu ( talk) 00:24, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
In Dialects is said: "Southwestern Kurmanji, spoken mainly in the Ağrı (Agirî), Erzurum (Erzerom) and Muş (Mûş) provinces of Turkey, as well as adjacent areas". But those places are in the northern side. Thus, Northern Kurmanji?-- 158.227.73.176 ( talk) 18:42, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is also a current move proposal at Talk:Southern Kurdish dialects#Requested move 15 June 2015. If that proposal is also adopted then we will be left with Northern Kurdish, Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish which has a certain appeal due to consistency. EdJohnston ( talk) 15:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Kurmanji Kurdish →
Northern Kurdish – Name of the wikipedia article should be Northern Kurdish and not Kurmanji Kurdish so that it matches Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish wikipedia pages Relisted. —
AjaxSmack 21:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC); —
Tayşeyî
19:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Suggest
Northern Kurdish dialects group"
Greg Kaye 08:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Varieties can be named by prepending a modifier to the name of the parent language, as at Standard German and African American Vernacular English. This is useful when there is disagreement as to whether a variety is an accent or a dialect, as at Estuary English, or a dialect or a separate language, as at Egyptian Arabic and Mandarin Chinese, or whether it constitutes a single dialect or several, as at Southern American English.So per this policy, it is not necessary to add "dialects" with the title, I have modified my !vote above to Strong Support move to "Northern Kurdish". There is also a separate move request open at Southern Kurdish dialects' talk page. If that also results in a move, then we will achieve total WP:CONSISTENCY between titles for the 3 Kurdish varieties ("Southern Kurdish", "Central Kurdish", and "Northern Kurdish"). Khestwol ( talk) 11:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Dear users From a historical and realistic point of view, the term " Northern Kurdish" instead of Kurmanji Kurdish seems strange and by fake. I think Wikipedia space is not an area to manipulate the historically and globally accepted subjects. -- Shadegan ( talk) 14:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) samee converse 19:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Northern Kurdish →
Kurmanji – It is better to moving the page to Kurmanji because the original name of the language is Kurmanji. According to western linguists there are three different
Kurdish languages and not an united „Kurdish“ for all Kurds. „Northern Kurdish“ is a term used by western linguists and Kurmanji is the original term used by the native speakers. Kurds generally claim that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect but the Yazidis who also speak Kurmanji called their language
Ezdiki (the Yazidi language).
Kaiduo (
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00:16, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I hope people here know that the name change from Northern Kurdish to Kurmanji is because some users are trying to disassociate Yezidis from anything Kurdish (thus remove 'Kurdish' from this page'). This is clear Wikipedia:POV and should the page name be changed back 'Northern Kurdish'. We have Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish, so why change it? -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 15:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
I am a kurd and fluent native kurmanji speaker. I don't know what the idea is behind rejecting the term "kurmanji". All northern kurds (called natively Kurmanj) call their language natively kurmanji. What is the meaning of hiding this? You live in a fantasy word and believe you do something good by rejecting the truth. This is clear your own POV and not NPOV. As one with origins from semsur as well I don't get why Ahmedo Semsurî want to hide the name "kurmanj", while all native Kurdish speakers of semsur call their language "kurmanji". Central Kurdish on the other hand is another case, since Sorani speaker natively don't use any term other than "kurdi". Also the difference between Central Kurdish (aka Sorani or kurdi nawendi) and Kurmanji are obvious language differences and not just dialect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojan98 ( talk • contribs) 05:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Jahmalm:, can you please answer these questions concerning your POV-edits?
Please reply soberly without calling me names. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 19:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus ( non-admin closure) Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 11:44, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Kurmanji →
Kurmanji Kurdish – The main reason that I request a move is partly because some users are exploiting the last name change to push for their POV which is removing the word "Kurdish" from the page (the user who requested the last move was indeed blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry and vandalism, including for his edits on
Kurmanji). Furthermore, calling it "Kurmanji Kurdish" is common in academic works
[8]
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[10] and the name of this page was also "Kurmanji Kurdish" before 2015. I get that "Northern Kurdish" is less used academically, but there should be no contestation with this name move.
Ahmedo Semsurî (
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Kurmanji is spoken in some parts of Erbil Governorate [1] It should be added to the badînî sub dialect section Akam Nawzad ( talk) 11:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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Change the Sinjar distinct in Iraq to the Sinjar district in Iraq, misspelling HornSpiel ( talk) 19:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Suggest changing “Naskh Arabic script” next to “Writing system” in the “Kurmanji” Infobox to just “Arabic script” since “Naskh” refers to a particular calligraphic style/hand that can be used to render Arabic script (just as Latin script can be rendered variously in Roman and Fraktur styles, for example), whereas I believe the point intended here is that Kurmanji can be written in Arabic script in addition to Latin script and Cyrillic script (and not that when written in Arabic script it is restricted to being rendered in Naskh style). — PowerPCG5 ( talk) 15:07, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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From the section Dialect continuum:
"Kurmanji forms a dialect continuum of great variability. Loosely, six subdialect areas can be distinguished:"
The cited source (Öpengin, Ergin; Haig, Geoffrey (2014), "Regional variation in Kurmanji: A preliminary classification of dialects", Kurdish Studies), however says that those are "dialects" of a language:
The cited source say:
From the abstract: "...This article aims at providing an initial classification of Kurmanji-internal variation into major regional dialects,.."
From the Introduction: "Like any other natural language, Kurmanji encompasses a considerable spectrum of regional variation. Yet within academia, regional variation in Kurmanji has been almost entirely neglected..."
Nice censorship....
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I have made the changes I propose. öpengin & haig changed revisited their classification and merged the 5 dialects into 3 main groups.-- Rojan98 ( talk) 22:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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Last edits were undone by Semsûrî, claiming that it was unconstructive.
There is nothing such as "anatolian kurmanji" it is simply the same as southwestern and northwestern Kurmanji. The cited source [29] in the undone version by semsûrî lists 5 dialects and not 6 and states nothing about "anatolian kurmanji". And those 5 dialects were revised from 5 to 3 by the same scholars who are among the few academic who have works on kurmanji language. Eventhough I had source for this, it got deleted. -- Rojan98 ( talk) 16:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The current edited cited source [29] (Haig & Öpengin), revised their own work and merged their former 5 dialects into 3 dialects. I also suggest reverting the infobox, since its content is not even the same as the "dialect continuum" section. The subdialect in infobox are amateurish and not well sourced, simply made up from tribe names.
Also, kurmanji is not a "dialect continuum", that is why I added a source about that kurmanji there is a high level mutually intelligible accross dialects. A dialect continuum is a spread of language varieties spoken across some geographical area such that neighboring varieties differ only slightly, but the differences accumulate over distance so that widely separated varieties are not mutually intelligible.".
And again, your reverted source doesn't state anything about "anatolian kurmanji".-- Rojan98 ( talk) 16:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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I suggest revertinging the phonology section, since it was unconstrutively deleted and copied to "kurdish phonology" article by semsûrî. In the kurdish phonology article, sorani phonology and kurmanji phonology are merged into one single table wihtout source and making more confusion. -- Rojan98 ( talk) 16:26, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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11:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)Official recognized minority language is not the same with education language. Some countries should be removed from the infobox. Also KRG should be listed under Iraq. Rojava is not a real/official region, it shouldn't be listed either. Beshogur Azerbaijani constitution: Article 21. Official language
I made another research, same goes for Georgia. Article 8.
A minority language is not same with educational language. There are lot of examples where are countries teaching with another language but it isn't actually their recognized minority language. ( talk) 23:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
I've checked the constitution of KRG, it says Kurdish is the official language. But which, Sorani or Kurmanci, or both? Beshogur ( talk) 10:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Add Rojava Kurmanji (Western Kurdish) as it is not present and is the dialect spoken in rojava. Vallee01 ( talk) 23:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello I am currently learning Kurmanji, please excuse the poor image quality here is a fluent Kurdish book on Kurmanji going over all the dialects, Shirzad Akadhi (The person who wrote this) has a PHD and a Masters in Kurdish is thereby reliable. Book Title: https://imgur.com/a/o42H7di Specific Section: https://imgur.com/a/o8mo9tk Vallee01 ( talk) 23:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Error in map legend, colour codes. Here is the information available on the map file:
Approximate distribution of the Kurdish and Zaza–Gorani languages
Wikarth ( talk) 21:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi!
I have a video of a Kurmanji speaker from Wikitongues and I was hoping to post it on the page but I only have just over 100 edits so I cannot. If you think that a video would enrich the page, it's on Wikimedia Commons and the file name is File:WIKITONGUES- Mohamad speaking Kurdish.webm .
Thank you and have a nice day, Jessica Britt ( talk) 05:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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They say that a specific city is not in Kurdistan and they didn't provide any sources for the claims. When they edited that they also changed the meaning of other things in that sentence. According to Kurdish Wikipedia, it is in Kurdistan and the location also makes that apparent. I'm pretty sure they didn't fix anything, only wanted to remove references of Kurdistan. -- Guherto ( talk) 20:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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Amed is the largest city with a Kurdish majority in Turkey, but it is not mentioned at all in the text. 91.125.142.96 ( talk) 05:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Êzdîkî should be split from Kurmanji since Êzdîkî is a recognized minority language in Armenia since May 2001 ( Page: 267). It also does not make sense to handle with the term in this page because this page claims that Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect. This is the opposite of what the term Êzdîkî expresses. According to the definition of Êzdîkî, it is a distinct language. Therefore the term deserves an own page. Contentcu ( talk) 22:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Hivia bbya salak xam o eshanet sala bori zhbira ma bbai 93.91.196.154 ( talk) 21:27, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure when or why it started not matching the map, but now, basically none of the colors in the color key even appear in the map. This is the correct key, copied from the map's Wikimedia page:
I fully understand the necessity of locking this article; however, I do not have extended access. Would someone who does please correct the key? Mszegedy ( talk) 16:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please make the following addition to the ‘External links’ section of the article:
− | + | [https://doreco.huma-num.fr/languages/nort2641 Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji) DoReCo corpus] compiled by Geoff Haig, Maria Vollmer and Hanna Thiele. Audio recordings of narrative texts with transcriptions time-aligned at the phone level, translations, and time-aligned morphological annotations. |
Banhbidac ( talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Hello there,
Would it be possible to add the above to the ‘External links’ section of this page? The linked site hosts a collection of five audio recordings featuring narratives in Kurmanji (in other words a corpus). Each recording has been transcribed and translated word for word, and all the Kurmanji material is under a CC BY licence.
This Kurmanji corpus was compiled as part of the DoReCo project, which was jointly funded by academic grants from the French National Research Agency (ANR) and the German Research Foundation (DFG) in order to promote research on lesser-studied languages. For disclosure purposes, I am affiliated to a team of academics currently working on the data collected under the DoReCo project.
Thank you for your attention. Banhbidac ( talk) 11:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi,
I came to this Wikipedia page because I was curious how many Kurmanji speakers there were, but all I could find in the article was the sentence, “It [Kurmanji] is the most widely spoken form of Kurdish” in the intro. Could someone add the number of speakers either to the infobox or into the body of the article? IMHO this seems to be a pretty basic piece of information that should be mentioned in an article about a language. ’preciate it — Arrandale Westmere ( talk) 08:28, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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" Ethnologue reports that the use of Kurmanji is declining in Turkey even when the language is used as a language of wider communication (LWC) by immigrants to Turkey, and that the language is threatened because it's speaker population is decreasing"
"it's" should be replaced with "its", or the sentence re-worded. I don't think LWC acronym is needed but this can stay if others disagree. 194.33.196.47 ( talk) 11:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Its a kurdish dialect and the section where you say dialects are actully accents and its not called sorani alphabet its called badini alphabet its also used in syria and also used in hakkari province and shirnax province this is according to kurditstan regional goverment eduction system Hogirkurdish15 ( talk) 15:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)